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Stop Being Poor: U.S. Piracy Watch List Hits a New Low With 2012 Report

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the expectations-met dept.

Piracy 310

An anonymous reader writes "The U.S. Trade Representative released its annual Special 301 Report yesterday, unsurprisingly including Canada on the Priority Watch list. While inclusion on the list is designed to generate embarrassment on target countries, Michael Geist explains why this year's report should elicit outrage. Not only is the report lacking in objective analysis, it targets some of the world's poorest countries with no evidence of legal inadequacies and picks fights with any country that dare adopt a contrary view on intellectual property issues."

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US, nobody gives a shit (1, Insightful)

Kajas (2629873) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859643)

I live in Asia. Our entertainment is going out with people and socializing. We like that. Live music is better than listening to some stupid pop artists from your cd's. Bands at the restaurants and bars occasionally play covers of those over here, but you are a failing country that is both anti-social and has no understanding of what products are actually worth to pay for. You are fighting a fight that you cannot win.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (2)

Zibodiz (2160038) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859705)

So, the answer to our piracy and IP idiocy is to abolish recordings and limit ourselves to live performances?
FYI, performing a cover of a pop song for free at a concert is not an issue here either.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (3, Insightful)

Kajas (2629873) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859769)

Maybe the answer is to rethink what is good entertainment. I've always had much better time when spending time out with friends or family while there might be some band playing. It doesn't even matter that much who they are. I do understand that it might matter more when staying alone at home and trying to listen to some music, but seriously, just go out and enjoy it with other people - it's much better.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (5, Insightful)

InvisibleClergy (1430277) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859813)

The point is that when people are listening to CDs or MP3s, they're not JUST listening to them. They're cleaning, playing video games, exercising, driving, or any one of a multitude of activities which don't require 100% of your ears. Hell, I've listened to music while working at a call center before. 99% of situations in which people would have music are not situations in which live music is applicable.

tl;dr: You trollin'.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (5, Insightful)

letherial (1302031) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860007)

Claiming one country should forgo their culture because you said yours is better is not a very good argument. Maybe some people dont want to go out and prefer to stay home and listen to music, is there is something wrong with that? while i am not bashing your culture, i think its great if you have more community based entertainment...but USA is different for a variety of reasons and it would be easier to change the record companys then it would be to change an entire culture.

Its funny, most the time its Americans are being accused of the very same thing your doing.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (2)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860087)

This person's statements are total bunk. Pop music is very popular in a number of Asian countries and CD and DVD sales are huge too.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (1)

yahwotqa (817672) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860415)

The claim that it is easier to change record companys (sic!) than the culture is divorced from reality. Those companies haven't evolved since the 80s and seem to be fighting any change with everything they have, while US culture _is_ evolving (even though their mainstream media is making it hard).

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39860149)

Not sure if Trolling or just stupid.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (4, Informative)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860059)

>>>performing a cover of a pop song for free at a concert is not an issue here either.

Yeah actually it is.
Public performance of copyrighted works, even legal recordings, is forbidden in the U.S. and the RIAA expects other countries to have similar laws.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (2)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860481)

How do you figure? I've never seen nor heard of any band getting sued for performing a cover of any song.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39860107)

No, the answer is to let go of the budget lunacy around art. Culture will not suddenly die if you abolish copyright.

A Band (5, Funny)

Das Auge (597142) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859709)

You're right, CDs are crappy. That's why I always bring a live band with me when I drive to and from work.

Re:A Band (5, Funny)

Whalou (721698) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859743)

This also allows you to drive in the carpool lane.

Re:A Band (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39859787)

Lmao, if I had mod points.

Re:A Band (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39859803)

I already drive in the carpool lane, because I count all the voices in my head as passengers.

Re:A Band (1)

LeadSongDog (1120683) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860223)

Homer's quartet, the "Be Sharps" did it first, with "Baby On Board"...

Re:A Band (2)

lightknight (213164) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859977)

Frankly, I am surprised that musical instrument manufacturers haven't attached EULAs and charges for every time you play a song with one of their instruments. If the RIAA likes playing their game with copyrights and screwing people, then Fender can play a game with them.

Re:A Band (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39860097)

Yeah - I think I saw you drive home yesterday - were you the guy with the mariachi band on the back of your truck?

Re:A Band (4, Funny)

ZeroSumHappiness (1710320) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860165)

No, those were just guys he picked up at Home Depot to redo his deck.

Re:A Band (1)

jd2112 (1535857) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860319)

I but I bet by now you are really sick of the "free credit report.com" band...

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (3, Insightful)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859729)

We can't do that here in the USA. They keep the noise^H^H^H^H^Hmusic in bars cranked up so loud you can't carry on a conversation. Not just bars. Even the local Starbucks plays their Muzak far too loud to talk quietly, or even read without being distracted.

But then if they turned down the music, you'd realize how little people actually have to say.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (4, Funny)

TWX (665546) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859773)

But then if they turned down the music, you'd realize how little people actually have to say.

Sounds like it's time to build the B Ark. We just have to make sure that we sanitize our own telephones.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39859875)

You sound like a joy to be around. Cranky AND misanthropic! What a combo!

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (2)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860047)

Stay off my lawn, kid!

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (1)

Mike Buddha (10734) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860487)

We can't do that here in the USA. They keep the noise^H^H^H^H^Hmusic in bars cranked up so loud you can't carry on a conversation. Not just bars. Even the local Starbucks plays their Muzak far too loud to talk quietly, or even read without being distracted.

But then if they turned down the music, you'd realize how little people actually have to say.

And those rotten kids are riding their bicycles over my lawn! If they weren't on my lawn, they might be good for something!

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (5, Insightful)

Dyinobal (1427207) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859793)

,p>While I don't really disagree with the last statement you make to assert that America's don't have live music or don't prefer it to CDs by some pop artist is silly.

What you're seeing here really is more of a disconnect between the Government and the people it is suppose to represent. The american government at this point is pretty much entirely owned by various corporations and private interests that don't represent the thoughts and will of the american people.

I'm pretty fed up with it and I want things to change but I really don't see what I can do, the FBI is busy trying to turn people into terrorists who are unhappy with the way the government is representing them. It doesn't matter if I vote for the right or left any politician I vote for is owned by someone, and most if not all the third party candidates are dubious or likely to be subverted the moment they become any more than 'third party' and or get seen as a threat to the status quo.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (4, Insightful)

royallthefourth (1564389) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860069)

I'm pretty fed up with it and I want things to change but I really don't see what I can do

Organize.

There are probably people near you who are organizing political events that work for real people rather than the powers that be. Seek them out.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39860467)

| What you're seeing here really is more of a disconnect between the Government and the people it is suppose to represent

Umm, you and I aren't the American people. We' don't have the money. We don't count. Real American people number less than 1 million, out of the 300 million inhabitants of America. The rest of us live in 'Murica, are a nuisance to real Americans, and are expendable.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (4, Interesting)

neurophil12 (1054552) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860511)

I'm pretty fed up with it and I want things to change but I really don't see what I can do, the FBI is busy trying to turn people into terrorists who are unhappy with the way the government is representing them. It doesn't matter if I vote for the right or left any politician I vote for is owned by someone, and most if not all the third party candidates are dubious or likely to be subverted the moment they become any more than 'third party' and or get seen as a threat to the status quo.

My favored solution is for grassroots organizations to stop banging their heads against the wall on issues that aren't going anywhere under the current system and focus on electoral reforms. 1) End political redistricting. 2) Enact some sort of acceptability voting (e.g. instant run-off), starting with local and state elections and building support for federal elections. 3) Enact campaign finance reforms of some sort (the biggest and most challenging issue, though one in which there are many avenues along which to make advances).

I could add more (like somehow modifying the primary system, rotating which states vote first in presidential primaries, media ownership reforms), but those 3 I think deal with the bulk of what's preventing progress in terms of true representation of the people and resistance to corporate special interests. (1) reduces individual power consolidation and polarization, (2) reduces party power consolidation, polarization, and provides an opportunity for the public to express their preferences in more dimensions (this might make it easier to push back against the advancing security state), and (3) reduces the power of wealthy donors and corporations (who aren't people), or in the case of greater transparency at least allows us to know who is spending how much on what/whom.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39859795)

Wow way to generalize about 3 billion people in ways that are entirely incorrect for a vast amount of them.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (2)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859831)

No offense, but every Asian country I've ever been to was loaded with CD's and DVD's of popular music and movies. Some, like China, were filled with mostly *bootleg* CD's and DVD's too (not that I can fault them for that, since so much is officially banned there). Just because you don't buy them (and will no doubt tell us all at great length why you don't even *OWN* a TV), doesn't mean that pop culture is somehow a plague solely limited to the U.S.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (5, Funny)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859845)

I live in Asia. Our entertainment is going out with people and socializing.

That sounds too much like socialism for the US.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39860155)

I don't think that word means what you think is means.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (2)

LeadSongDog (1120683) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860297)

That sounds too much like socialism

Well, hell, it is May Day!

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (2)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859861)

So if 'Asians' only go out and listen to live bands as their entertainment why are CD and DVD so huge in Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong, etc.? Also, how do you explain away the vast amount of CD and DVD bootlegging in the region? Oh and lets not forget the more than a billion 'asians' who live in rural areas without the entertainment you list. Basically, you're full of it.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (1)

PrescriptionWarning (932687) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859881)

Its pretty naive to think all americans only like the pop artists listened to on cd's, there's quite the local and social scene I'd imagine in just about every major city similar to how it is in my city on the east coast. Sounds like someone's been fed some BS propaganda.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39860065)

Wrong.

Every non-American has their own personal philharmonic that follows them wherever they go, playing Mozart. Every American listens to Rebecca Black 24/7 on WMA's @ 32 kbs, as Brittney Spears is too refined for them.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (2)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859889)

Our entertainment is going out with people and socializing. We like that. Live music is better than listening to some stupid pop artists from your cd's. Bands at the restaurants and bars occasionally play covers of those over here, but you are a failing country that is both anti-social and has no understanding of what products are actually worth to pay for.

Ah, I see. This explains why there is so little piracy going on in Asian countries.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860057)

Yes and we all know that pop music is completely absent from Japan, China, South Korea, etc. [jpopasia.com]

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (1)

ooshna (1654125) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859909)

The US used to have live musicians at every club, a lot of restaurants, and anywhere else people congregate but once places could replace a live band they had to pay every night with a record they only had to pay for once that started disappearing.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (3, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860259)

Many are returning to that after the past few years of ASCAP/BMI sending out goons to fine bars and restaurants for daring to play the radio in their establishment. There are two bars I frequent that have evicted any jukebox or DJ and have live entertainment most of the time. It's a single guy with a guitar most of the time or a duo, but that is far better than recorded music.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (2)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860115)

I live in Asia. Our entertainment is going out with people and socializing. We like that. Live music is better than listening to some stupid pop artists from your cd's.

That's interesting, since Japanese and South Koreans consume recorded music the way Slashdot users consumer cheesy-poofs.

I don't know where in Asia you live, but the music industry sells lots of product there.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39860139)

Yeah - I live in Turkey, too. But I do not mind the occasional CD when at home.

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (2)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860229)

I live in Asia.

Well that narrows it down.

Our entertainment is going out with people and socializing.

Yeah, no one in the USA *ever* does that.

We like that.

Well bully for you!

Live music is better than listening to some stupid pop artists from your cd's.

http://us14.memecdn.com/Stop-Liking-What-I-Dont-Like_c_115105.jpg [memecdn.com]

In your opinion, of course, and there are CDs containing other things than pop music, just FYI. I just found a CD of 60s cartoon music and sound effects. I like to crack up the Speed Racer theme during traffic jams to totally mess with the other commuters.

Bands at the restaurants and bars occasionally play covers of those over here,

WOW!!!! o.O The NEVER happens here. Our bands just play scales and basic fingering exercises, or they go off into multihour free form jazz odysseys. Depends on how baked they are.

but you are a failing country

Ah, I wondered when the full bore jingobigotry would show up. I made that neologism up, BTW. Feel free to use it. Hmm. Bingotry?

that is both anti-social and has no understanding of what products are actually worth to pay for.

Nonsense. We so totally understand what products are actually worth to pay for what we see was worth to understand paying for what products.

You are fighting a fight that you cannot win.

Wait, which one you talkin' about?

Re:US, nobody gives a shit (2)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860403)

Live music is better than listening to some stupid pop artists from your cd's.

I know, right? I just wonder why they don't ever put other types of music on CD. Seems like an untapped market.

Canada should be embarrassed (5, Insightful)

Das Auge (597142) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859681)

Canada should be embarrassed. I mean, they have some of the best privacy laws of any country.

On a related note, as an American, could I borrow some?

Re:Canada should be embarrassed (5, Insightful)

BagOBones (574735) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859719)

We are, the only reason we are on the list is to pressure out government to implement a DMCA type law.

Re:Canada should be embarrassed (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859901)

Canada will be implementing said law... before the end of this year... but evidently not enforcing it on matters of private copying.... which makes one wonder if they are not intending to enforce it in such circumstances, why was it is evidently still going to be illegal in such a case, particularly when every other party in parliament was asking for that as a concession to the bill.

Re:Canada should be embarrassed (5, Funny)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860103)

They're lying, again. They've lied about every. single. point. they made during the election, and there's strong evidence that even the election results themselves are a lie.

They want to have it on the books so that if Beardo is at a protest or starts to make trouble, they can see what Beardo's been doing online and put him in jail or bankrupt him or hell, just embarrass him. Ripping a DVD is a $20k fine and 5 years in prison. Unlocking your nook? Same thing. Installing Ubuntu? Yep, prison. (Okay, you deserve that last one.) Any digital lock on any media cannot be bypassed or that's the penalty. That's not fear-mongering, that's what is in the law. If you buy a DVD and rip it to play on your unlocked iPhone, you're looking at 10+ years in jail. If you burned down Parliament with everyone inside, you'd get out on parole sooner than that.

"We're not going to do this!" means "We don't want you to complain until this is the law."

Re:Canada should be embarrassed (1)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860175)

When/How did installing Ubuntu become a crime?

Re:Canada should be embarrassed (3, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860295)

" If you burned down Parliament with everyone inside, you'd get out on parole sooner than that."

Sounds like you canadians have a plan in place then to fix the problems?

Remember, burning down the White house here in the USA did not fix us, Look at the scumbags we have in ours.

Re:Canada should be embarrassed (2)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859755)

Sure, if you don't mind letting the terrorists win.

Re:Canada should be embarrassed (2)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859805)

No. And you will be searched when crossing the border back into the USA to make sure you aren't bringing any of those crazy ideas about privacy and civil rights in with you. We've nearly got them eradicated down here. We can't have you re-infecting the population with such thinking, like what happened in the 18th century.

Re:Canada should be embarrassed (4, Funny)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860147)

I'm not going to worry. When I smuggle in crazy ideas about privacy and civil rights, I always use stenography to hide them in PowerPoint presentations describing terrorist plots, and hide them in my underpants.

Like Sweden, Canada was 'had' by fascists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39859865)

Canada should be embarrassed. I mean, they have some of the best privacy laws of any country.

We (Canada) also have the worst "leadership" ever, starting with King Stephen W. Harper and his co-conspirators.

Note to multinational corporate money: you've made enemies for life. You will pay.

WTO redux (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39859937)

It's not about protecting anything but corporate profits.

For example, when copyright was 1st conceived, the concept was to protect that individual's right to contract for the legitimate use or the press and distribution in order to ensure that the publisher was paying the actual author. In America, Jefferson argued that copyright should be restricted to 1/2 the average lifespan of a human in order to preserve the incentive to create new works as well as protect future generations from undue power that would otherwise accumulate in the hands of 'owners' of creative works. (Which is exactly what has happened.)

Since then, corporations have found it convenient to buy proprietary works, contractually strangle authors and coerce (I mean lobby) legislation to extend the term of copyright to ridiculous lengths (in the U.S. it's life plus 70 years or 120 for anonymous works owned by Inc.) in order to further the monopolistic tendencies of business interests. This places corporate interests above those of the individual or society in general. (Thank Sonny Bono & Mickey Mouse)

This is but one example of the 'service' so-called anti-piracy laws provide.

Re:WTO redux (5, Informative)

robot256 (1635039) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860277)

Nice sentiment, but you go too easy on the concept of copyright. Paraphrased from No Safe Harbor [nosafeharbor.org] :

Copyright was first conceived by Bloody Mary of England in 1557 as a means of censorship to persecute non-Catholics and political dissenters. It was her idea to give the printing monopoly to the London printers' guild and have anyone else caught with a printing press hanged by the state. After the proletariat took over Parliament, copyright was abolished in 1695. The publishers managed to twist the notion of copyright and get it reinstated in 1701 by saying that authors will "own" their works, even though only guild printers would have the right to print them and so the authors were still at their mercy.

The notion that copyright could exist for the sake of anything other than publishers' profits did not even exist until the drafting of the United States Constitution, where it was a compromise after a heated debate. Jefferson argued that copyright shouldn't exist at all, and only took that position when a compromise was necessary. As a result, the Constitution states that copyright is to be used for the good of society, conspicuously (but not conspicuously enough, apparently) omitting the interests of *both* authors and publishers. This is the moral equivalent of saying "You are allowed to hit people only if it makes them feel better." Apart from a few masochists out there, by the letter of the law the right may exist but should *never* be exercised. We all know how well that turned out.

So the entire concept of copyright is a reheated censorship scheme inherited from one of the most infamous dictators in history. Why anyone still thinks it's a good idea is a testament to the power of money, propaganda and groupthink.

Re:Canada should be embarrassed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39860169)

On a related note, as an American, could I borrow some?

They will probably "trickle down"

Ignore it (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859711)

Michael Geist explains why this year's report should elicit outrage. Not only is the report lacking in objective analysis, it targets some of the world's poorest countries with no evidence of legal inadequacies and picks fights with any country that dare adopt a contrary view on intellectual property issues.

So we can easily ignore that report.

Re:Ignore it (5, Insightful)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859853)

Well, while you're ignoring it, the politicians will be citing it for why we more and tougher IP legislation, both at home and abroad.

Re:Ignore it (2)

jimbolauski (882977) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860185)

Well, while you're ignoring it, the politicians will be citing it for why we more and tougher IP legislation, both at home and abroad.

What motivation does a country have to get off of double secret probation, no trade embargoes will placed on countries listed on the report. This report has less teeth then a UN resolution, it is merely finger wagging in the hopes of pressuring other nations into abiding by foreign rules.

Re:Ignore it (5, Insightful)

robot256 (1635039) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859871)

You may ignore it if you wish, but do so at your peril. This report is a window into the minds of the politicians and bureaucrats who run our country and think they run the world. We ought to be using this to our advantage, to stir up pushback from other countries and put the bastards on the defensive. They're trying to bully the rest of the world into paying up--the only way to deal with a bully is to stand up for yourself and fight back.

Re:Ignore it (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859953)

Unfortunately I live in a country where the leading (Christian) parties still think everything America does is brilliant and fantastic so we will comply without even asking. Luckily the EC seems to change its stance on the US a bit, so there is hope.

Re:Ignore it (2)

Mitsoid (837831) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860157)

I know how you feel.. I live in America...

If it makes you feel any better, it's only super-rich Americans that are pushing this crap.. and anyone they can pay to convince (e.g. politicians, whom are also, generally, rich)

The average American (excluding those whom watch Faux news) thinks this whole thing is incredibly stupid.. but those making under $250k/year do not have a political voice... We're just as disapproving as you all are.

Re:Ignore it (1)

operagost (62405) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860253)

those making under $250k/year do not have a political voice

Correct. The President, VP, and nearly all of Congress make far more than that.

Re:Ignore it (1)

robot256 (1635039) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860315)

I know how you feel.. I live in America...

LOL, So do I, actually in D.C... I just like to pretend that I don't.

Re:Ignore it (1)

robot256 (1635039) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860337)

Oh wow, I got more sub-replies than I realized. Didn't notice you were replying to TSA.

Re:Ignore it (1)

tibit (1762298) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860475)

Christian parties, you say, hmmmm. The whole "no other Gods before me" thing must have whooshed over their heads, then? Ah, nothing new, nothing new :(

To preempt the obvious: probably they figured out that if they can't have other Gods before the one and only God, they surely can have them right after. I feel much better now, why, thank you!

Re:Ignore it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39859885)

Instead of being intentionally ignorant, try reading the report even if you don't agree with it. Try to understand the points being made by the USTR even if you don't agree with them.

I saw comments in the first few pages of the report that I did not understand and would like to know more about. Some of the comments in that report seem vague, possibly intentional, but I do not know that if I don't bother to read the report "word for word", not skimming it like I have, and ask tough questions of the authors.

Being intentionally ignorant and casting out ideas you don't agree with does nothing to foster creative, intelligent discussion on /.

Being intentionally ignorant and casting out ideas you don't agree with is just another form of apathy, and "apathy is the friend of politicians".

If you don't care enough to get involved and question the politicians, and Ron Kirk is a politician and former Mayor of Dallas, TX, USA, then the lousy government you get from politicians that are "self-promoting" their own interests over yours is your own fault. Learn to live with your choices.

ip enforcement, not feeding hungry people (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39859779)

Yeah, so all of you impoverished nations... your people might be poor and starving, but don't even think for a minute about feeding them. Take that money you would have fed hungry children with and step up your IP policing, because your laws are good, you are just wasting money you could use for more enforcement in all of the wrong places, like feeding your people.

Re:ip enforcement, not feeding hungry people (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859997)

"Take that money you would have fed hungry children"

LOL good one

"Take that money you would have fed spent on lavish palaces for your elite"

FTFY

Re:ip enforcement, not feeding hungry people (1)

BootysnapChristAlive (2629837) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860021)

Nice priorities they have, right? Out of all the things we could be doing, we're trying to stop people from copying certain pieces of data...

And what do we gain? Absolutely nothing. I can't believe there are people, even here, who think this is a good idea.

Re:ip enforcement, not feeding hungry people (3, Interesting)

Darinbob (1142669) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860073)

The US did manage to get new copyright laws passed in Iraq and Afghanistan. This seems to be a high priority issue for some politicians.

Re:ip enforcement, not feeding hungry people (4, Interesting)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860265)

The US did manage to get new copyright laws passed in Iraq and Afghanistan. This seems to be a high priority issue for some politicians.

Amazing what happens when you're an occupying force. It used to be called Colonialism.

I seriously doubt that this was a priority in either country -- more like "if you don't pass this law, we're going to stop financial support or have you replaced".

Classy.

Article disappoints with lack of pirates. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39859827)

A much better resource for information on piracy is http://www.icc-ccs.org/piracy-reporting-centre/live-piracy-report

Disappointment (5, Interesting)

danaris (525051) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859829)

From where I sit, this has been one of the greatest disappointments even staunch supporters like me have with Obama: his administration's continued support for the content industry at the expense of people in America and around the world.

Dan Aris

Re:Disappointment (5, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860215)

Really? Does his IP maximalism really come close to his support for the NDAA? His assassination of US citizens and flagrant violation of the War Powers Act? His crack down on government whistle blowers (more whistle blowers prosecuted than all previous presidents combined)? His crack down on legal medical marijuana dispensaries despite his promise to respect states rights on the issue? His failure to prosecute anyone for the 2008 financial crisis?

IP maximalism is bad, but it's WAY down on the list of grievences against Barack Obama.

Re:Disappointment (5, Insightful)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860441)

Just one?

Not his involving Americans in two new wars (Yemen and Libya) without permission of the People in Congress? Not his insistence that Congress add 2 lines to the NDAA to let him imprison americans without a trial? Not his assassination of 3 american citizens (including a 16 year old child) w/o giving them a constitutional a right to trial? Not his raising the national debt at twice the rate of George "duh" Bush? I would be HAPPY if Obama's only flaw was signing ACTA/supporting SOPA.

put a Democrat in the White House in 2012 (4, Insightful)

khipu (2511498) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859883)

Democrats are concerned with civil liberties and the rights of the individual. We need change! Oh, wait...

Re:put a Democrat in the White House in 2012 (3, Interesting)

Trepidity (597) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859985)

When it comes to copyright, the parties do seem pretty close to even, which is to say paid for by the same organizations.

I think the Democrats are better overall on other kinds of civil liberties (especially compared to the theocratic wing of the Republican Party), but I'd probably vote for a Pirate Party if we had one.

Re:put a Democrat in the White House in 2012 (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860017)

I think the party you were looking for is Libertarian.

Re:put a Democrat in the White House in 2012 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39860275)

Some libertarians are apparently lacking the ability to detect sarcasm.

Re:put a Democrat in the White House in 2012 (2)

tnk1 (899206) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860029)

Democrats are just as authoritarian as Republicans, they just differ on what they want to ram down our throats.

finally an excuse to bomb canada (5, Funny)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859907)

we tried to conquer your worthless country twice before, but you finally gave us an excuse for a third time

Re:finally an excuse to bomb canada (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39860035)

I dunno, man, didn't they burn down the White House last time?

Re:finally an excuse to bomb canada (0)

jd (1658) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860341)

Every other historic building in the US has either been demolished or is under threat of it. Including the Poe Museum. This allows Americans to complain they don't have any history (despite America being occupied by someone since 14K BC, had a European presence since the 7th C AD and actual European occupation since the 14th C AD). Clearly the RIAA wants to ensure a more consistent approach.

Re:finally an excuse to bomb canada (3, Funny)

LeadSongDog (1120683) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860447)

You know, Canada never did get the thank-you note for that.

Re:finally an excuse to bomb canada (2)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860419)

we tried to conquer your worthless country twice before, but you finally gave us an excuse for a third time

Yeah, the previous two times were so successful, we figure we'll try it a third time, and in doing so trigger an international military response that'll result in the deaths of tens of millions... because Hollywood tells us to? Not. Likely.

Damn China (1)

Xipher (868293) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859911)

I noticed China got 8 pages and then some on that report, but no other country even has a single page dedicated to it. Yet how much shit gets manufactured over there and then shipped out all over the world?

Re:Damn China (1)

robot256 (1635039) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859957)

Obviously, if China weren't producing infringing goods, there would be no demand and nobody else would produce them either. All we have to do is stop them and the problem will be solved! That is why they are the biggest problem.

Best part ... (5, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859915)

This is the best part:

The USTR report also confirms the Canadian government's view that the Special 301 exercise produces little more than a lobbying document on behalf of U.S. industry. The Canadian position, as described to a House of Commons committee in 2007 (and repeated regularly in internal government documents):

In regard to the watch list, Canada does not recognize the 301 watch list process. It basically lacks reliable and objective analysis. It's driven entirely by U.S. industry. We have repeatedly raised this issue of the lack of objective analysis in the 301 watch list process with our U.S. counterparts.

Which basically means the people writing this report are well known shills, who are predisposed to write something which is in favor of what the content industry wants.

Glad to see these guys being told to bugger off if they don't have any facts. Far too much of American policy is dictated by lobbyists.

Constantly listening to the content industry in the US bleating that Canada is a horrible evil country of people who violate copyrights gets tedious.

Re:Best part ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39860045)

The best part for me is that US IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND in this report...
Hey.. I live in Canada, and US have x10 the population of here (at least), and you tell me I'm in the WATCHLIST, but U.S. isn't?
Please include your own country next time.

Re:Best part ... (1)

Pewpdaddy (1364159) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860099)

Now if only the other nations would grow a pair, and tell legislators that their picking a fight they can't win. Meanwhile other nations are rushing to pass similar legislation, and the US continues on their IP witch hunt. It's ongoing too, problem is the vast majority of Americans actually think that the government is actually looking out for them. Not to mention voters continue to vote in criminals. My state is likely the worst, our Governor pleaded the fifth some 50+ times during court hearings before even running for office. Yet somehow he's still in office.

Re:Best part ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39860133)

Didn't some Canadian government representatives *ask* the US to put Canada on that list? It had something to do with the embarrassment of being on the list helping push through some unpopular laws on the Canadian people.

That is only fair. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39859929)

Since the USA is in the watch list of most countries...

Enemy #1 (5, Insightful)

msobkow (48369) | more than 2 years ago | (#39859945)

The US has declared wars on drugs, terrorism, copyright violations, crackers, and a whole host of other things.

In doing so they've declared "war" on pretty much every nation in the world, including the very ones that they claim are friends and allies.

So what can we conclude?

The US is Enemy #1 to the world.

For once I disagree with Michael Geist.. (5, Interesting)

Sir_Sri (199544) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860213)

I don't think we (as canadians) should be outraged. That's the wrong approach to this. We should be celebrating the fact that we have better rules than the americans.

Imagine some politicians came out with a report about how awful it is that blacks can vote in this long list of countries, or how abhorrent is is that women could vote in some places, or how some countries *still* haven't enacted prohibition, or how terrible it must be for people living in those countries that have government healthcare. If you on one of those lists you don't get outraged, you can use it as proof positive that your system is working, and those idiots that wrote the report are living in the wrong century. Which, as with this report, they are.

There's no point in trying to complain that some of their metrics are wrong or unfairly target the wrong groups. The whole concept is basically inverted, squabbling about the details gives the false impression that it can somehow be corrected with some tweaking of specifics.

Too long (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39860325)

Did not listen.

Spain is caving (3, Interesting)

langarto (718855) | more than 2 years ago | (#39860479)

Actually I'm pissed off because Spain got off the list :-(
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