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Tizen Reaches 1.0

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the maemo-is-dead-long-live-maemo dept.

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Earlier today, Tizen, Intel's post-MeeGo mobile OS, announced the availability of their first stable release. The H has a summary of the new features: "The source code for Tizen's Larkspur release has seen a number of new features added. The Web capabilities have now got full W3C/HTML5 specification support with 'key' WebRTC features incorporated and APIs to access the local camera and vibration. ... Tizen's graphics are based on X11 with a compositing window manager based on Enlightenment Foundation Libraries ... The SDK's IDE includes a new browser based tool which offers support for the Tizen APIs within a browser; this should allow developers to run and debug Tizen 'web applications' and see how those applications run with various device profiles. The alpha release of the browser based simulator should reduce the need to work with the emulator for many applications." The SDK release notes and source release notes have the gritty details. A new community wiki has been created, and source is available via git. This release comes just before the first Tizen developer conference, May 7-9th in San Francisco.

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Not a real succesor or maemo/meego? (5, Informative)

hobarrera (2008506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39861271)

As far as I understand, Tizen runs HTML5 apps. Meego/maemo were close to real gnu/linux OSs, and could run real desktop application, or applications in C, Python, etc. Almost anything that would run on a desktop linux.

In what way is Tizen Meego's succesor if :
1) it can't run meego apps. Or Maemo apps. It's a totally different platform.
2) it isn't a real linux, but just uses linux at a very low level (somewhat like android).

Re:Not a real succesor or maemo/meego? (4, Informative)

hobarrera (2008506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39861289)

Should have included this above; to quote Intel: "Meego apps written for smartphones won't work on Tizen devices"

Re:Not a real succesor or maemo/meego? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39861601)

Which brings us to our second problem. Tizen devices? What are those? No such thing exists.

Re:Not a real succesor or maemo/meego? (3, Interesting)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39861629)

Yet. Samsung will be bringing devices to the conference next week. The rumored hardware is the I9500, but the details are sparse as to the specs. Of course, for some reason these platforms need to have devices on the market... before there are devices on the market.

At least Samsung seems more serious about this than Intel (who like to throw around money) and less likely to suffer a coup d'etat like Nokia...

Re:Not a real succesor or maemo/meego? (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39861395)

it can't run meego apps. Or Maemo apps.

Not a huge problem, since there weren't all that many to begin with (the N9 does not count.) That said, it is a totally different platform. Not incompatible, but if you did native development you'll need to use EFL instead of GTK/Qt. Fortunately, as I noted before there's no huge base of software to convert.

it isn't a real linux, but just uses linux at a very low level (somewhat like android).

From what I've seen, all of the software in use except for a small handful of Samsung originated projects are existing open source technology, including Xorg and eglibc.

Re:Not a real succesor or maemo/meego? (3, Informative)

hobarrera (2008506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39861611)

Maemo has plenty of software, and generally of pretty good quality. A great deal work fine on meego.
Aditionally, I find it extremenly easy to port some lightweight Qt app to maemo/meego; while porting that same app to EFL implies a complete rewrite of all the UI, and possibly more.

I'm also pretty sure there are WAY more developers that know Qt/GTK out there, than developers who know EFL. I for one don't personally know anyone who's ever used EFL, but I do know plenty of people who've used Qt or GTK.

Currently, on my N900, I can just SSH in, code some python files, and voilà, I have a maemo application. Using QT, and all out-of-the-box. The same cannot be said for Tizen, sadly. I either learn EFL, or program in HTML5. If I'm willing to write in HTML5, I'd just make a web-app that works anywhere, not Tizen-specific.

Re:Not a real succesor or maemo/meego? (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39861931)

While I will not argue your points (cause I agree with you and continue to use my N900 because there's nothing like it,) only the N9 got wide reach before Elop managed to cut it off at the knees. If Samsung pushes Tizen out and it gets a foothold, it's moot what APIs we prefer or what was used previously, as the users will be on EFL.

That said, if the devices aren't utterly crippled, I could see GTK/Qt available for these devices not long after.

Re:Not a real succesor or maemo/meego? (1)

hobarrera (2008506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39868397)

Sadly, you are right.
Hopefully, we'll see qt available for Tizen soon after the first devices come out! :)

HTML5 future (1)

spage (73271) | more than 2 years ago | (#39862613)

If I'm willing to write in HTML5, I'd just make a web-app that works anywhere, not Tizen-specific.
Which is what Tizen tells developers to do:

Create the application by using standard web technologies, such as HTML, CSS, JavaScript, and Device APIs such as Tizen.

A Tizen app is just HTML, CSS, JS, and an XML "widget configuration file".

There are way more developers who know JavaScript than any other language... it seems the HTML5 equivalents of Gimp, Inkscape, OpenOffice, ssh, VLC that will run on any device in any recent browser are just a matter of time. I worry that developers will write them, but present them within a "Join our social {picture editing/music editing/code writing} site to share and chat" instead of making the changes so I can run them offline from local storage.

Re:HTML5 future (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39864147)

Sure they might write an OO.org-like app, but with Javascript "technology" it will be miserably slow, lacking features and use lots of RAM/CPU. Everyone keeps pushing web-apps, but if you notice, eventually people converge on "native" code. iPhone was supposed to be web-app only, and how long did that last? And oh, BTW, when they released their "native" SDK is when their platform took off. Palm did webOS -- how many feature rich programs did that platform attract? What was the battery life like for webOS devices? Could you easily extend the device beyond it's core technologies with HTML5 and JS?

I'm sure there are solutions other than pure native code, but frankly I'm tired of seeing JS "widget" based systems that are good for basic demos and lack real capability. See KDE4's 'plasmoids' as another example...shiny but rarely full-fledged replacements for the KDE 4.5 stuff.

Re:HTML5 future (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39864159)

I meant KDE 3.5 stuff.

Re:HTML5 future (1)

spage (73271) | more than 2 years ago | (#39866249)

Developers write native code apps when the platform's market share makes it worthwhile, which is why every device without market share (except Linux distros!) is singing the same "take your HTML5 codebase, if you need them here are JavaScript APIs to our platform features that aren't yet W3C/WAC standards, now package it for our platform store" tune. And many Android and iOS apps are just a thin wrapper around a web view.

That you can write unimpressive widgets in HTML doesn't mean that you can't write feature-rich programs in HTML5; GMail and Google Docs and the other web office suites don't seem like "basic demos that lack real capability" and they're fast enough for me. That open web apps have yet to take off (while we spend much of our waking lives surfing web sites using the same client-side technology) doesn't mean they won't; the underpinnings for them have only appeared in browsers in the last year or so. I run Kubuntu 12.04; what are the KDE/Qt programs with features definitely beyond what an HTML5 app could do?

Re:HTML5 future (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39880157)

I think that you can write apps using c++ and EFL. Part of the base system is written this way.

Re:Not a real succesor or maemo/meego? (1)

Eunuchswear (210685) | more than 2 years ago | (#39861959)

Come on, you understand. Tizen is a total succes. Tizen killed Meego. Meego killed Maemo.

Maemo was a mostly free Debian based Linux smartphone platform - it could not be allowed to live.

Re:Not a real succesor or maemo/meego? (1)

Dot.Com.CEO (624226) | more than 2 years ago | (#39862271)

Meego is also Debian based. Kind of makes your argument void I guess.

Re:Not a real succesor or maemo/meego? (2)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39862447)

MeeGo is RPM based.

MeeGo-Harmattan is DEB based, and (as I noted elsewhere) has more in common with Maemo than MeeGo.

Re:Not a real succesor or maemo/meego? (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#39864547)

I really liked maemo. I hate it had to die. I finally broke my nokia n800 tablet and bought a samsung media player 5 to replace it that runs Android. I miss Maemo. RIP Maemo.

Re:Not a real succesor or maemo/meego? (1)

hobarrera (2008506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39868205)

Tizen didn't kill meego.
Nokia killed Meego.
Tizen just appeared later on.

Re:Not a real succesor or maemo/meego? (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39862027)

Well what the hell is the point then? If I can't compile and run native GNU/Linux apps on it, I might as well buy an Android or iPhone. Why hasn't anyone replicated the N900?

Re:Not a real succesor or maemo/meego? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39863081)

You *can* compile and run native GNU/Linux apps as much as you can compile and run a KDE app on an Enlightenment desktop, damnit. When they say "it can't run Qt-based apps" they only mean OUT OF THE BOX.

Why are the comments here so full of hurt?

Re:Not a real succesor or maemo/meego? (4, Informative)

hweimer (709734) | more than 2 years ago | (#39864435)

In what way is Tizen Meego's succesor if :
1) it can't run meego apps. Or Maemo apps. It's a totally different platform.
2) it isn't a real linux, but just uses linux at a very low level (somewhat like android).

3) the SDK is as closed source [tizen.org] as it can get.

Re:Not a real succesor or maemo/meego? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39865729)

Did you actually read the damn thing?

5.1 Licensee hereby acknowledges that Tizen SDK may contain Open Source Software. Licensee agrees to review any documentation that accompanies Tizen SDK in order to determine which portions of Tizen SDK are Open Source Software and are licensed under an Open Source Software license. To the extent any such license requires that Samsung provide Developer the rights to copy, modify, distribute or otherwise use any Open Source Software that are inconsistent with the limited rights granted to Licensee in this Agreement, then such rights in the applicable Open Source Software license shall take precedence over the rights and restrictions granted in this Agreement, but solely with respect to such Open Source Software.

This is just Samsung covering their ass, since a lot of the SDK is in fact OSS the usual OSS licenses will apply.

Re:Not a real succesor or maemo/meego? (1)

hobarrera (2008506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39878353)

Most of it is open source.
The ridiculous thing is that it's only available for Windows XP, Windows 7, and Ubuntu (not the latest version).
On top of that, only i386 is supported. Not even amd64. Even though you're supposed to develop for ARM on it.

How they managed to screw that up so bad, is beyond me!

Re:Not a real succesor or maemo/meego? (1)

danboarder (773630) | more than 2 years ago | (#39865043)

Actually the Tizen OS runs a native API that gives apps access to accelerated graphics/UI and a lot more, here is the Photo Gallery app for example (youtube) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixbMd7X0CYI [youtube.com]

See the dev docs here https://developer.tizen.org/help/index.jsp?topic=%2Forg.tizen.help.gs%2FPlatform+Overview.html [tizen.org]

Re:Not a real succesor or maemo/meego? (1)

hobarrera (2008506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39878371)

Yes, it's own custom API, which just reinforces my initial statement.
This almost reminds me of https://xkcd.com/927/ [xkcd.com]

Linux is freedom. TPTB don't like that. (1)

master_p (608214) | more than 2 years ago | (#39865869)

I have a N900, which I bought the day Nokia announced it will no longer be supported.

I bought it because it is a real Linux machine. It's software is free, and it can run other free software with little modification.

I can do things with it I cannot do with any other phone: I can logon to any Unix machine with a wifi connection, I can load my movies and songs to it, I can extend it with any codecs I want, I can play MAME on it, and I can view almost any Flash video on it.

The N900 has been my 'laptop' computer for one and a half year now, and I do not miss my Toshiba laptop that I sold at all.

Why are companies so afraid of Linux on the phones? right, they cannot control the experience, and controlling it is what makes money for them.

But us geeks that do not want someone else to hold our hands in our computing tasks need a phone too.

It is too bad that they ignore us like that, we are many. And perhaps we would not buy so many apps from a 'store', but we certainly would buy good hardware to run our open source programs on.

Re:Linux is freedom. TPTB don't like that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39914001)

> I can do things with it I cannot do with any other phone: I can logon to any Unix machine with a wifi connection, I can load my movies and songs to it, I can extend it with any codecs I want, I can play MAME on it, and I can view almost any Flash video on it.

Apparently the foremost thing you can do is trolling. Your statement is complete nonsense because every single of that activities is also possible on Android or WebOS.

No real "linux"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39870871)

2) it isn't a real linux, but just uses linux at a very low level (somewhat like android).

Of course it uses Linux (which obviously is a kernel).
But it is not a real GNU operating system as it seems to use litte of the GNU libraries and programs.
Same thing with Android.

Nokia? (1)

lsolano (398432) | more than 2 years ago | (#39861275)

Will nokia try Tizen? I'm just wondering myself. I think they should, according to big fail of the Lumia.

Anyway, they've been changing OSs almost yearly in the last 5 years.

Re:Nokia? (2)

MrHanky (141717) | more than 2 years ago | (#39861425)

Why should they? It's not like their rather successful Maemo Harmattan codebase disappeared just because they abandoned the Meego project, and they've said parts of the OS (the swipe UI and Qt) will live on in future devices. Tizen looks like something no one wants.

Re:Nokia? (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39861503)

Tizen looks like something no one wants.

Well, if by "Tizen" you are referring to the GUI, then that's quite likely. If by "Tizen" you mean the underlying platform as a whole, that's up for debate. After all, it's a much more common stack than what Android utilizes, so even if you tossed Samsung's reference UI aside, it'd still be a useful platform.

If anything, Samsung wants it because they don't want to be bound to Google for all eternity.

Nokia, and the remaining non-WP, non-Symbian groups inside are stuck between a rock and a hard place due to the drastic shifts in the executive levels.

Re:Nokia? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39861529)

Extremely unlikely. When MeeGo was abandoned, Intel and Samsung went to Tizen, Nokia split off and started work on Meltemi, which they intend to use for low end phones.

Re:Nokia? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39862371)

No. Nokia is still working with Maemo, they call it the next billion (reffering to the next billion handsets beeing sold). The handsets are in the low tec range, suitable for the emerging markets.

Re:Nokia? (1)

voidphoenix (710468) | more than 2 years ago | (#39865663)

The next billion [nokia.com] use Series 40 (Symbian), not Maemo.

Re:Nokia? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39868333)

Series 40 (S40) is not anything to do with Symbian (S60).

Re:Nokia? (1)

Eunuchswear (210685) | more than 2 years ago | (#39869475)

The next billion [nokia.com] use Series 40 (Symbian), not Maemo.

S40 is not Symbian. S40 is dumbphone, not smartphone.

Re:Nokia? (1)

voidphoenix (710468) | more than 2 years ago | (#39870851)

My error, I got it confused with S60 [wikipedia.org] , which does run on Symbian. The point still stands, however. The next billion isn't going to be on Maemo.

I loved that guy in "The Last Dragon" (0)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39861347)

Great performance.

Tizen, Blackberry 10, SlashBI.... (4, Funny)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 2 years ago | (#39861359)

Must be "stuff no one gives a shit about" day...

Re:Tizen, Blackberry 10, SlashBI.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39872981)

You got a down moderation (recently) because of your anti-corporate humor. Let that be a lesson to you. Right now you are at +4 Funny. You would be at +5 Funny if you didn't mention "SlashBI". Think about it: it's the only reason why you would be down-moderated from +5.

Behave yourself!

Fool me once... (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 2 years ago | (#39861489)

Yeah and in a few months it'll get scrapped for Snargle.

Re:Fool me once... (1)

Qubit (100461) | more than 2 years ago | (#39861647)

Yeah and in a few months it'll get scrapped for Snargle.

Truth.

Dear lord, I had such high hopes for Meego. I even made a few suggestions on the lists and fixed a few things on the wiki. I was confused as to why they trashed the debian roots of Maemo and turned what was a working, shipping operating system into... something half-broken for many, many months that fizzled-out after a while. I'd really like to see a cost analysis on how much money, manpower, and time were invested in the project. They even had big conferences! What was the point? It sounded so together and with-it, but in the end it just got tossed in the bin. Blarg.

Tizen? Yeah, I'll bother paying attention when I have working hardware in my hand. Or someone wants to bribe me with money (read: hire me).

Re:Fool me once... (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39861717)

I was confused as to why they trashed the debian roots of Maemo

Because Intel and the LF basically required as much to get support. And in the long run it's pretty much a wash.

I'd really like to see a cost analysis on how much money, manpower, and time were invested in the project.

All moot, and probably a footnote in Intel's quarterly reports.

What was the point? It sounded so together and with-it, but in the end it just got tossed in the bin.

The point was that both Nokia and Intel acknowledged that there was no sense in spending resources doing all the work of maintaining a Linux-derived mobile OS core in house when everything they were using to build them was already in the open. Samsung has been doing the same thing, and now they're pushing it into the open. Intel will throw resources to make sure it works on x86, and overall reduce costs for everyone that adopts it without the controlling entity having a vested interest in where it goes or assuming all development tasks on the code base.

Re:Fool me once... (1)

Dot.Com.CEO (624226) | more than 2 years ago | (#39862307)

What are you talking about? I have an N9 right here and I love it. The OS is responsive, the messaging is well-integrated and damn fast, it is the PERFECT phone os and trust me I've seen them all! I have no idea where this "half broken" comes from unless you care about shit like videocalls or, I don't know, flash on the default browser. I LOVE the N9 like I've never loved a gadget in my life. I hate Elop with a passion for killing the greatest phone OS ever produced, and for making sure few people will experience something like that.

Re:Fool me once... (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39862421)

MeeGo != N9

The N9 has more in common with Maemo than MeeGo.

Re:Fool me once... (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#39863329)

That is why frankly the Linux community confuses the fuck out of me. i mean so much effort is wasted on the desktop, and the desktop is dead, its flatline, MSFT will be the next IBM stuck with a mature platform that only gets replaced when the previous one breaks.

But if there was EVER a chance to get Linux into the mainstream smartphones and tablets is it! Its obvious many of the handset guys are worried about Google, especially with them buying Motorola, MSFT is of course stuck at the hip with Nokia, and Apple sure ain't selling iOS to anybody, so here is your chance guys. Take one of your low resources DEs like LXDE, make it touch friendly, and place it on a stable platform with long term staying power like Debian. Then cook up a repo with an appstore style front end, hell base it on click 'n run, that's nice and friendly, and you'll be in business!

Because it looks like the big three are starting to get too big for their britches and this is one area where people aren't gonna give a shit about running some old Windows programs, as long as you got plenty of apps. Well with source code available you should have no problem porting apps to ARM and you already have examples of the apps folks want, cute little games like Wenoth and Tux Racer, a nice media player in VLC, and lightweight office apps like Abiword. this looks like a chance for some small group to get a shot at getting some share and its obvious from the posts here the geeks will love it and push the hell out of it. Hell I'm a Windows guy and I'd buy it, because i'd know I wouldn't get stuck with an unsupported device 3 minutes after i unpack it.

So here is your chance guys, pick up some cheap hardware from China (plenty of nice KIRF iPhone and iPad style devices there you can get cheap) slap a nice Debian based OS on it and sell baby sell! You start building a little buzz and moving some units I bet all those makers that don't want to deal with the big three will take a look, and if nothing else I bet you'll have no problem selling every unit you can put out. hell you can even talk to the GOG guys about some cross promotion and having a version of their DOS games for your device, DOSBox has an ARM port right?

Re:Fool me once... (1)

spage (73271) | more than 2 years ago | (#39866463)

Your strategy didn't move many units for Openmoko, Neo FreeRunner, N900, etc. Why will it start working now? The Vivaldi tablet running KDE Plasma Active is supposedly shipping soon, did you order one?

People's expectation for a phone/tablet have gone up. They expect a consistent touch UI which is only now starting to appear in Linux toolkits and will take a while to come to native Linux apps. They expect maps and navigation, calendar & contacts sync, device sync, an app store, which all require hefty investments in online infrastructure, or Google to provide it for your platform. It's daunting to compete, HP and Nokia decided they couldn't.

The only realistic hope of > 1% market share for "old-school" (not-Android) Linux on phones and tablets is if most apps are written in HTML5 as Tizen encourages. Then the platform matters less, and people can switch, the same way a desktop user surfing Facebook and Gmail plus doing some light document creation can switch to a Linux distro. Yet I mostly see old-school Linux users belittling HTML5 and insisting web apps will never happen. Fair enough; so long as enough developers are motivated to work on projects like Mer [merproject.org] then users will be able to install Meego/Maemo/Plasma Active/Tizen on their phones and tablets, just like the few who install Linux on their desktops. But very very few will do so.

Re:Fool me once... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39863227)

Did they have a contest for weird names? Or was it just weird syllabic mashups? The only ways to get such bizarre handles are to spend focused time on it, or to spend no time at all on it.

Now that I think about it, the names were like made up Chinese food names. MeeGo Gai Pan!

Bad marketing (2)

Oscaro (153645) | more than 2 years ago | (#39861675)

They reach 1.0 and they don't bother to post even a single screenshot? Now, that's Meego successor for sure :-/

Mer (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39861745)

In my opinion it is Mer [merproject.org] that is the successor to MeeGo. Not Tizen. Does Rizen evwen run on the ARM architecture?

Re:Mer (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39861915)

Mer is structurally superior, IMO, but Tizen has actual vendor support at this point. Tizen does run on ARM (unless you know of some mobile Samsung device running an x86 processor...?)

Re:Mer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39862369)

Agreed Mer sounds much more interesting since it continues using QT for the ui like maemo.

Re:Mer (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39862427)

Maemo actually used GTK. It wasn't until Harmattan that they switched to Qt, though Maemo had both. And there's no reason you can't use any arbitrary GUI toolkit on Mer, as it doesn't specify any one toolkit to be used (Qt simply has to be included.)

Mer supports Tizen, not a competitor (1)

spage (73271) | more than 2 years ago | (#39866557)

http://wiki.merproject.org/ [merproject.org] presents the Mer project as a "Core optimised for HTML5/QML/JS, providing a mobile-optimised base distribution for use by device manufacturers ... aims to share effort and code together with the Tizen project once Tizen tools and code are publicly available. ... We have some clear goals: ...To be inclusive of technologies (such as MeeGo/Tizen/Qt/EFL/HTML5)"

Sounds great. All these minor platforms share so many open source building blocks that isolating themselves based on a toolkit choice is silly.

yes, ARM but HTML5 platform-independent apps (1)

spage (73271) | more than 2 years ago | (#39862467)

The Tizen SDK includes a QEMU emulator to run its ARM binaries. I don't know if anyone has tried rebuilding the software stack for x86, it should be doable. But they're telling developers to write HTML5 apps so for them the platform's architecture shouldn't matter.

I hope Mer can simply package Tizen as another product built on top of the Mer core, like Plasma Active and Cordia

And not a single shit.. (1)

Dynamoo (527749) | more than 2 years ago | (#39861789)

And not a single shit was given that day. Honestly, this is just an accumulation of FAIL. Maemo, MeeGo, LiMo and now Tizen.. despite their strengths (and on the whole these are pretty competent OSes) they are simply irrelevant now. The only way that Tizen will get a tiny bit of market share is if Samsung fold Bada into Tizen (which has been rumoured).

Re:And not a single shit.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39862623)

Well now we know what 11 year olds think about this story. Thanks for contributing.

more HTML5 apps mantra; versus B2G (4, Informative)

spage (73271) | more than 2 years ago | (#39862151)

The H summary is good. Tizen is straight-up GNU/Linux and X11, more or less standard packages but with the EFL libraries that Samsung likes. So it should be nice for hackers porting Linux programs. Tizen's message for developers is write HTML5 apps. Note that the message from webOS, Playbook, BBX, Windows 8 — everyone but iOS and Android — is also "write HTML5 apps". See a pattern here? (Yet Linux desktops continue to promote native development with GTK/Qt.)

Mozilla's Boot 2 Gecko is also "write HTML5 apps", but the phone's own software is also written in HTML5. It shows a commitment to the same code and development tools you're telling developers to use. And only Mozilla seems committed to open Web apps [mozilla.org] you can install from any web site or from independent app stores; the other platforms seem to be "write your app in HTML5... and then package it for our platform and offer it in our store." B2G's current stack is different from Tizen, it's being developed on Android kernel and runtime. In theory as the Web APIs get standardized the difference won't matter for HTML5 app writers.

Simulator: A new browser-based tool that supports the Tizen APIs and allows you to run and debug your web applications, and simulate running applications with various device profiles.

If that's really the case you would think somewhere there's a web site you can browse to run it, but like Tizen 1.0 screenshots I can't find it. You can run B2G's "Gaia" UI in your browser with lots of caveats (probably requires a Gecko browser like Firefox Aurora, your PC lacks many APIs), see an early demo at http://paulrouget.com/e/b2gdemo/ [paulrouget.com]

Re:more HTML5 apps mantra; versus B2G (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39862283)

the EFL libraries that Samsung likes

That they like so much they hired the lead developer.

See a pattern here? (Yet Linux desktops continue to promote native development with GTK/Qt.)

Web development is good until you need performance. All of those platforms support native development.

Mozilla's Boot 2 Gecko is also "write HTML5 apps", but the phone's own software is also written in HTML5.

Only the UI layers. Of course, while I find B2G to be interesting, it will be crippled WRT software that needs performance without native development.

B2G's current stack is different from Tizen, it's being developed on Android kernel and runtime.

Yes, giving it a dependency on Google (since they are the only developers of bionic, and the forked kernel.

Re:more HTML5 apps mantra; versus B2G (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39863439)

Yes, giving it a dependency on Google (since they are the only developers of bionic, and the forked kernel.

Correct. I wish they had a better platform like Tizen has underneath.

Now then again they have a glue (Gonk) beneath B2G. That can be exchanged with a Tizen-like base (aka debian base) for example, although it's some work.

I think the advantage with Android kernel/bionic underneath is that they also use drivers etc that already work; Tizen is for new phones and intel phones.

Tail wagging the dog. (1)

Frank T. Lofaro Jr. (142215) | more than 2 years ago | (#39863311)

Nokia dropped MeeGo since the CEO Elop is a Microsoft shill who is doing his master's bidding, not trying to make decent products (Nokia as really dropped in quality, btw).

Just like Steve Jobs tantrum caused Adobe to abandon Flash on mobile (even though it works fine on Android).

Intel could at least argue there was no support (even though Samsung was sure to support it and likely not to far down the road).

But if a Steve Jobs or Elop stops supporting a product, the vendor themselves abandons it.

People would've jumped off a bridge if Steve Jobs said Apple doesn't think they should live.

Re:Tail wagging the dog. (3, Interesting)

dbIII (701233) | more than 2 years ago | (#39864161)

Nokia's future may depend on under the radar skunkworks projects that they can keep going while their seagull management craps on everything he can see before flying off. They never actually spent much on Maemo or Meego while they were under serious consideration anyway.

Ha Ha! They want you to install Oracle's Java! (1)

Qubit (100461) | more than 2 years ago | (#39865731)

I wish I could believe this was all just a part of some complicated prank -- check out their info on installing the SDK:

Installing the SDK on Ubuntu ...
        Oracle Java* v6 or higher version (do not use OpenJDK)

https://developer.tizen.org/sdk/installing-sdk-ubuntu [tizen.org]

Who in their right mind would hitch their up-and-coming FOSS mobile OS to Java right now? And Oracle's proprietary, closed source java -- not even the OpenJDK?

Hint: Given the trial that's going on right now [groklaw.net] , I would just avoid using Java for a whlie. Or, you know, at all (if possible).

Re:Ha Ha! They want you to install Oracle's Java! (1)

spage (73271) | more than 2 years ago | (#39866131)

The Tizen IDE is based on Eclipse, thus requires Java; the Tizen architecture [tizen.org] doesn't include Java. A lot of IDEs and SDKs are built on Eclipse regardless of whether the target platform runs Java.

Also "Tizen Web applications may be developed without relying on an official Tizen IDE, as long as the application complies with Tizen packaging rules."

Re:Ha Ha! They want you to install Oracle's Java! (1)

alci63 (1856480) | more than 2 years ago | (#39868865)

Well. No need for Oracle JDK to run eclipse...

Port Tizen to N9 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39865977)

Who would be the first to port Port Tizen to N9

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