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Nokia Sues HTC, RIM and Viewsonic

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the everyone-gets-sued dept.

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angry tapir writes "Nokia has filed claims in the U.S. and Germany saying that products from HTC, Research In Motion (RIM) and ViewSonic infringe a number of the company's patents. Nokia has filed actions against all three companies in Mannheim's and Munich's respective regional courts. Nokia has also filed complaints against HTC before the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC), the Federal District Court of Delaware and the regional court in Düsseldorf. RIM will also have to dispatch its lawyers to Düsseldorf for a Nokia lawsuit filed there, while ViewSonic's legal team have to defend the company against a suit in Delaware."

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Not News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875155)

What's new?

Re:Not News (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875639)

Microsoft is having a hissy fit and getting their bitch to sue because Google's bitch slapped them a good one in Germany. They're all trash.

Re:Not News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39876293)

Microsoft is having a hissy fit and getting their bitch to sue because Google's bitch slapped them a good one in Germany. They're all trash.

Drat you beat me to it ..

Yes this is MS having a hissy along with Nokia because they backed a loooooooooooooooossser now they are both doing an apple and having a childs hissy fit someone give them a good slap on the back of the legs that will calm them down please ..

Not that new (5, Informative)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875713)

Although the following interactive graph is kinda outdated, it still illustrate the mess ---

http://bl.ocks.org/1153292 [ocks.org]

Re:Not News (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875773)

What's new? Freetards claim that Glorious Yurope doesn't have software patents. Now it is clear that freetards know about as much about international patent law as they do basic hygiene.

This is getting out of control... (2)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875181)

...not only that, the business of companies taking each other to court over patents is becoming the norm and as such, increasingly stale (as news)...in my opinion.

Re:This is getting out of control... (4, Interesting)

slack_justyb (862874) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875277)

I guess its a good time to be a lawyer.

Re:This is getting out of control... (1)

micheas (231635) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876375)

Strangely, or not so strangely, law firms have greatly reduced staffs in the last few years.

Re:This is getting out of control... (4, Interesting)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875339)

... the business of companies taking each other to court over patents is becoming the norm ...

As I've said in one of my previous comments --- this patent litigation thing is a boon to the legal community, and it has made a lot of lawyers very very rich.

These very very wealthy lawyers will see to it that the broken patent system stays broken, and they will do everything to encourage corporations to sue each others to crisp over patents/copyrights --- and all the while they (the lawyers) are raking in truckloads and truckloads of moolah

Maybe we can learn from an Ancient Chinese legend ---

An egret tried to eat a big clam and that clam clammed up the beak of the egret in return.

As both were fighting each others a fisherman bagged both the egret and the big clam as the result.

Re:This is getting out of control... (4, Interesting)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876251)

I saw a woodcutting that summed it up nicely. It showed two farmers fighting over a cow while a lawyer was milking it.

nokia may have a case (2, Interesting)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875821)

Nokia is an old time innnovator and a big player in the industry. No way can they be called a patent troll. Conversely HTC, viewsonic have a bussiness model of fast followers and copying, respectively. Viewsonic is not an innovator just a cheapenator. they rarely even make their own stuff. HTC simply adds fashion to existing tech. I can't really say much about rimm. They definitely innovated in the field but they are desperately trying to catch up hardware wise. So it depends what the patents are.

I have little doubt they have a case since they had a case against apple on basic ideas in how to conduct cell phone operations. Apple settled or at least cross licencenced.

Finally this is obviously not an attempt to black mail these companies. Their market share is miniscule. Instead, Nokia needs cash flow so they are going after places they know they can win but ignored when they had bigger fish to fry.

Re:nokia may have a case (3, Informative)

iserlohn (49556) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876103)

HTC adding fashion onto existing tech? Really? I'm no fan of Windows Mobile as well, but HTC created the first Windows powered smartphone right at the beginnings of the smartphone industry.

Re:nokia may have a case (1)

chuckugly (2030942) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876237)

True but almost all the HTC stuff I've seen consists of taking a reference hardware design, wrapping it in a pretty case, and selling it cheap thorough every carrier they can get onboard. That's cool and I like some of the products, but it's not really innovative is it?

Re:nokia may have a case (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876307)

Finally this is obviously not an attempt to black mail these companies.

Yes it is.

It's also the reason the MS shills are so desperately trying to ridicule anyone who suggests Apple, Microsoft Nokia and Oracle are in bed together.

"Before he died, Steve Jobs said 'I'm going to destroy Android'."
"The fact that both Microsoft and Apple desire to destroy the Android market; and the other facts listed above; lead one believe that Microsoft and Apple truly are partners and, as such, could be looked upon, for purposes of anti-trust challenges, as a single monopolistic entity,"

http://voices.yahoo.com/is-microsoft-trying-kill-android-software-11018092.html [yahoo.com] for those of us who've been around for a while, this might seem familiar.

In the mid '90s, Bill gates stated:

“Netscape’s strategy is to make Windows and the Apple Macintosh OS all but irrelevant by building the browser into a full-featured OS with information browsing. Over time Netscape will add memory management, file systems, security, scheduling, graphics and everything else in Windows that applications require. Netscape hopes that its browser will become a de facto platform for software development, ultimately replacing Windows as the mainstream set of software standards.”

His response (amongst others Microsoft was prosecuted for) was to collude with Apple to ensure Internet Explorer was the default browser on Macs.

Re:nokia may have a case (1)

mystikkman (1487801) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876355)

>It's also the reason the MS shills are so desperately trying to ridicule anyone who suggests Apple, Microsoft Nokia and Oracle are in bed together.

Yes but we have Google shills like you to defend against the MS shills though!

>The fact that both Microsoft and Apple desire to destroy the Android market; and the other facts listed above; lead one believe that Microsoft and Apple truly are partners and, as such, could be looked upon, for purposes of anti-trust challenges, as a single monopolistic entity,"

Nonsense, Microsoft and Apple together have nothing close to a monopoly in the mobile OS market. I doubt it's even close to 50%. Android has greater marketshare. The desktop situation is as relevant to phone as a web search monopoly.

Re:nokia may have a case (2)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876397)

Yes but we have Google shills like you to defend against the MS shills though!

Nice smear, but I'm more of a freetard than a shill.

Nonsense, Microsoft and Apple together have nothing close to a monopoly in the mobile OS market.

And they didn't have a monopoly on the web browser market either. That didn't stop them colluding to create the IE6 decade.

Re:This is getting out of control... (3, Funny)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876365)

companies taking each other to court over patents is becoming the norm

email and phone are so yesterday. all "now" tech companies will start communicating with each other via litigation lawyers.

how times change

Re:This is getting out of control... (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876485)

This is step one in starting a new business these days. Before you have an office, before you have a name, before you have a logo, before you have a business plan . . . you sue somebody.

It's like boxing. You need to come out of the corner swinging, or you will get sucker punched while trying to tap gloves. You need an "Offensive Patent Strategy" these days to survive.

MS (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875183)

Something to supplement Nokia's coffers after Elop's non-starter with Windows Phone, eh?

Does anyone have a global map of this? (5, Insightful)

Grave (8234) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875203)

I can't keep track of all these lawsuits anymore. I just keep picturing an image of the globe with thousands of missile tracks as the world's tech companies try to obliterate each other with patents.

Re:Does anyone have a global map of this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875427)

The only way to win is not to play the game.

Re:Does anyone have a global map of this? (5, Informative)

strength_of_10_men (967050) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875587)

This isn't exactly a map, but it does show how twisted this all is. It's a few months out of date so needs to be updated, but still...

http://www.mobilespoon.net/2011/08/mobile-rumble-let-get-ready-to.html [mobilespoon.net]

Re:Does anyone have a global map of this? (1)

Menkhaf (627996) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876281)

And a link for the original: http://bl.ocks.org/1153292 [ocks.org]

Re:Does anyone have a global map of this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875733)

The good news is that they will shortly settle all their lawsuits and form a cartel.

Re:Does anyone have a global map of this? (1)

aaronb1138 (2035478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876193)

The visualization from Taco linked to above could be perfected with a feed from RSS or some easily updated CSV (not that the current code is remotely difficult to modify). Then the nodes need to be placed geographically correct with graphics from Wargames (the true 1983 Wargames that is).

Confirmation (2, Interesting)

busyqth (2566075) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875205)

Not Apple? I see this as good evidence that Nokia is completely controlled by Microsoft.
I don't know what has gone on behind the scenes to get Microsoft and Apple to luv each other, but it seems like there is no rational reason for Nokia to leave Apple out of the fun except that they have been commanded to do so by Microsoft.
So Apple & Microsoft, what is your plan for the post-Android world you are trying to create?

Re:Confirmation (2)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875253)

>I see this as good evidence that Nokia is completely controlled by Microsoft.

Ya think?

This is like SCO vs. World+Dog complete with failing company that's drowning itself in a 5 gallon pail at the direction of (mis) management. Except this time around, the backing of Microsoft is more blatant. They are no longer under Sherman Antitrust supervision. They have carte blanche to do what they want until someone says stop.

http://i.imgur.com/f2yqU.jpg [imgur.com]

--
BMO

Re:Confirmation (-1, Troll)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875341)

Hello clueless. First things first, Nokia sued Apple and Apple pays them a tidy sum in royalties.

Second, Nokia stock was at $40 in 2008. So your lame rage comic is misleading at best and a troll at worst, since it omits the decline from $40 to $12. Go back to 4 chan and troll there.

Third, many of their patents are hardware patents with actual innovations in telecommunications, not XYZ swipe to unlock but on the internet or phone like the other lawsuits out there.

Re:Confirmation (2)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875463)

And my picture omits everything from December to the present day, in which Elop has done nothing to drag NOK out of the sewer. Let's see what has happened since January 1.

http://i.imgur.com/PgNFG.png [imgur.com]

Source: Yahoo Finance NOK

Go cry more

Fact: NOK is circling the drain and Elop thinks that suing companies will stem the flow of this river of red ink. Sorry, but lawsuits take more time than actual innovation and even then, they do not take care of the core problems with a company. Nokia is a dead company walking.

--
BMO

Re:Confirmation (2)

afidel (530433) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875707)

NOK is dead, Samsung and Apple accounted for 95% of cellphone profits in Q4'11.

Re:Confirmation (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39876383)

NOK is dead

MS and Apple will prop them up as long as they're needed.

The MS/Apple collusion was allowed to obtain Nortel patents based on a FRAND agreement. Nokia was the axis partner intentionally excluded from the consortium to give them the freedom to do the patent trolling. Microsoft has a long history of using proxies this way, especially companies with nothing left to lose.

You've got up and down mixed up (3, Interesting)

dbIII (701233) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875725)

December to the present day, in which Elop has done nothing to drag NOK out of the sewer

It was only a week or two ago when it was announced that Nokia are no longer the number one seller of handsets on earth. It's going down at an accelerating rate and not up.
Nokia is very much alive (notice the bit above where I mentioned it was the number one seller of handsets) despite a lot of internal effort to kill it. The core problem is currently Elop, there are other problems but he's putting in no effort to fix them and busy getting rid of anyone that can. Even then it will take a long time to kill Nokia even if it's a deliberate effort.

Re:Confirmation (3, Insightful)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875819)

Maybe, but posting misguiding rage comics and lame graphics which omit the big picture does not make a good discussion.

For example, AAPL went from $34 when Jobs took over in 1998 to 14 in 2003 under him as CEO. Did that Jobs was a sucky CEO and should have been fired in 2003 based on a rage comic on it's stock by a immature lame, armchair joker analyst like you who knows nothing about companies except to look up the stock price on Yahoo Finance? Turnarounds take time, Nokia had it's head under the sand till he took over. More details here http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_24/b4232056703101.htm [businessweek.com]

Re:Confirmation (1)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875945)

>Nokia had it's head under the sand till he took over.

Elop has done nothing to change this. All he did was throw the employees over the side of his metaphorical burning oil platform.

That's not leadership. That's being an asshole.

--
BMO

Re:Confirmation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39876075)

It is now official. NPD has confirmed: Nokia is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Nokia community when IDC confirmed that Nokia market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all smartphones Coming on the heels of a recent NPD survey which plainly states that Nokia has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along.Nokia is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Verge comprehensive Facebook test.

You don't need to be the Amazing Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict Nokia's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Nokia faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Nokia because Nokia is dying. Things are looking very bad for Nokia. As many of us are already aware, Nokia continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

All major surveys show that Nokia has steadily declined in market share. Nokia is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Nokia is to survive at all it will be among smartphone ROM dilettante dabblers. Nokia continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Nokia is dead

Re:Confirmation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875779)

Hello clueless. It's not fucking 2008 anymore. Sorry no one told you.

Perhaps you should pick up a recent newspaper that isn't four years old, stop trolling slashdot, and quit accusing people of posting facts of trolling.

Re:Confirmation (2)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876235)

Hello clueless.

no need to be rude, especially when you're on such shaky ground yourself.

This is from 2010:

"On Thursday, June 30th, Microsoft, in collusion with Apple, Nokia and RIM bought Nortel's 6000 patents spanning Mobile and Wireless technologies for $4.5 Billion, beating Google, who began the bid in April with $900 million. While in the smelling distance of the booty, they started threatening every handset manufacturer in sight for licensing Android patents, asking for as much as $15 per phone, while simultaneously offering indemnity from patent lawsuits for Windows Mobile based phones."

The DoJ ok'd the sale in questionable circumstanes, despite clear doubts about the process. No doubt Microsoft learned from its earlier experiences:

"Dear Ms. Varney:
The American Antitrust Institute urges the Department (a) to commence an in-depth investigation of the proposed purchase of Nortel’s portfolio of more than 6,000 patents and patent applications, many of which may be vital to the future of mobile communications and computing devices, to Rockstar Bidco LP, a consortium consisting of Apple, Microsoft, Research in Motion, EMC, Sony and Ericsson...
We are respectfully troubled by the Department’s Early Termination of the HSR waiting period on this transaction two weeks ago, in sharp contrast to the Department’s announcement this past April of its intervention into the proposed purchase of Novell’s portfolio of approximately 882 patents and patent applications, many relating to mobile communications and computing devices, to CPTN Holding LLC, a consortium consisting of Apple, Microsoft, EMC and Oracle,

http://www.antitrustinstitute.org/sites/default/files/Nortel%20letter%20to%20DOJ.7.6.11.pdf [antitrustinstitute.org]

So there is no doubt at all that Microsoft, Apple and Nokia are colluding to kill Android. The only real question is what it cost them to get the US DoJ to allow it.

Re:Confirmation (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876313)

The OP said this:

I don't know what has gone on behind the scenes to get Microsoft and Apple to luv each other, but it seems like there is no rational reason for Nokia to leave Apple out of the fun except that they have been commanded to do so by Microsoft.

Which is total bull which I called out, because Nokia sued Apple and settled for a large sum + on going payments.

> The only real question is what it cost them to get the US DoJ to allow it.

Nice to see your selective quoting. See DoJ's rationale below:

"During the course of the division's investigation, several of the principal competitors, including Google, Apple and Microsoft, made commitments concerning their SEP licensing policies. The division's concerns about the potential anticompetitive use of SEPs was lessened by the clear commitments by Apple and Microsoft to license SEPs on fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory terms, as well as their commitments not to seek injunctions in disputes involving SEPs. Google's commitments were more ambiguous and do not provide the same direct confirmation of its SEP licensing policies.

  "In light of the importance of this industry to consumers and the complex issues raised by the intersection of the intellectual property rights and antitrust law at issue here, as well as uncertainty as to the exercise of the acquired rights, the division continues to monitor the use of SEPs in the wireless device industry, particularly in the smartphone and computer tablet markets. The division will not hesitate to take appropriate enforcement action to stop any anticompetitive use of SEP rights."

In other words, they got a binding commitment out of them not to use standards essential patents on non FRAND terms, something that Google has repeatedly failed to promise.

> The only real question is what it cost them to get the US DoJ to allow it.
No, the real question is why do you repetitively make anti MS troll comments here on Slashdot?

Re:Confirmation (2, Insightful)

Renderer of Evil (604742) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875267)

Are you trolling, or just stupid?

Apple has paid Nokia a hefty sum in addition to ongoing royalties to settle the patent case out of court.

Re:Confirmation (2)

busyqth (2566075) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875323)

Are you trolling, or just stupid?

Maybe both.

Re:Confirmation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875573)

I think neither, fwiw.

Apple is what it is today and someone once said they were dying, too. But they had the guts to pursue innovation in some areas and offer customers an unbeatable experience.

Criticize M$, get stamped as troll. Business as usual.

Re:Confirmation (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875849)

Criticize as in make stupid statements that MS is colluding with Apple and stopped Nokia from suing it? That's not criticism, that's just plain wrong and lame at best.

Re:Confirmation (1)

slack_justyb (862874) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875313)

but it seems like there is no rational reason for Nokia to leave Apple out of the fun

You typically sue people who most likely will loose or settle first, then go after big boys after a precedent has been set. You especially sue bigger losers than yourself if your company is going down the toilet because you bet the farm on WP7, and now that bet looks like it is coming to bite you in the ass like a tick at a blood bank.

HTC is down from the last go round with Apple, good chance they'll settle. RIM, really is anyone not suing RIM? I'm completely blank on ViewSonic.

Re:Confirmation (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875395)

Nokia already sued Apple [engadget.com] , dumbshit.

Re:Confirmation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875505)

Not Apple? I see this as good evidence that Nokia is completely controlled by Microsoft.

I see it as good evidence that you hang out at interstate restrooms and bottom for well-hung truckers.

Re:Confirmation (4, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875619)

I think I have figured out why MSFT and Apple are suddenly friends and its a lot of little things coming together but above all its a common enemy...Google.

Now that MSFT has bowed out of the media player market by killing Zune there is really only one place that MSFT and Apple really are in competition is the X86 market and looking at Apple under Cook with the way updates to the line have been getting anemic and they are running off pros by dumbing down products like FCP I honestly believe cook is gonna take Apple out of that market. Makes sense as Intel killed the Nvidia chipsets and its getting harder and harder to keep the line trendy with Intel whipping out new chips, its just not a big money maker compared to the i line of products. So I think they will keep a few bottom of the line units for another year or two and then bow out, declaring the iPad the new mac.

Then you have to look at what Apple and MSFT have had as of late, with Apple taking the high margin sales and MSFT taking the low? I don't think apple has a problem with that, they have never wanted low margin sales. They know even with MSFT getting into tablets and smart phones what they will see, business oriented with major fuckups in UI design but that hardware is cheaper so the low rent market will go for it, again not a market Apple really cares about.

But then here comes Google...ya know, even if I don't personally use or care for a product I WILL give credit where credit is due and Google threw a BIG monkey wrench right into the nice game Apple and MSFT were playing. You see Apple sells hardware, MSFT software, and Google's model is neither and it pisses with both companies niches. Google gives away Android and does all the work so MSFT can't sell cheap copies to OEMs like they usually do, and since Google is making its money on Google ads and services it doesn't care what kind of hardware you put it on so you are seeing both expensive and cheap android units, and of course those more high end units are cutting into Apple turf. If Apple plays the same game with Google they'll have to update their lines more often as all these new Android pads get faster and faster chips and bigger and bigger graphics, which with Tegra out there that is a worry, because Nvidia is cooking up some pretty powerful chips.

So frankly I suspect we'll be seeing more and more of this as we go along. Apple doesn't care about MSFT and the low end market, MSFT doesn't really have any products being marketed to the same demographic Apple owns so no real reason to hate each other and BOTH companies would like to "fucking kill Google" with Jobs going so far as to say he'd spend his entire fortune to nuke Android.

But if I were Google it wouldn't be the lawsuits that would be worrying me, it'd be the one place where MSFT and Apple can royally fuck Google, and that is content. One serious blind spot Google has always had has been content, after all they thought they could just snatch content like they snatch web pages in the search engine with GoogleTV and quickly got the banhammer on their device. This is one area where both Apple and MSFT have also been particularly strong, with MSFT making deals for content for Windows internet TV and X360 and Apple of course with iTunes.

So while the lawsuits are more drawn out if I was Google I'd be busting my hump signing deals with content providers left and right, because who would want an Android device if it only has YouTube? The fact we haven't seen Google doing this is worrisome, and Google would do well to remember the rule about sleeping giants. If MSFT and Apple are playing nice that is a hell of a lot of capital between them for signing content and if everyone is distracted by the lawsuits that could give Apple and MSFT just the time they need to split ARM like they did x86.

Re:Confirmation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875753)

Probably something to your theory. Apple and Microsoft spent most of the 1990s suing each other over patents. They eventually made up (in a gross display of public affection) and cross-licensed everything, declaring "the world was a better place". Google and their ad-driven model threw a big wrench in their OS duopoly.

http://cdn.dipity.com/uploads/events/eb9c8ab621ed31698c67de9503c1614a_1M.png [dipity.com]

Re:Confirmation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875635)

What are you talking about? Nokia was the phone maker that started all the lawsuit madness by suing Apple in the first place.

Re:Confirmation (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875735)

If there were no Apple, Microsoft would have to create one. If they destroy it, same.

Re:Confirmation (2)

Henriok (6762) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876209)

You don't think that Nokia's recent win against Apple where they settled their disputes has anything ti do with it? It just might be that Nokia's satisfied with what they got from Apple's iPhone which is more than they get from their own smartphone business.

Sweet deal for Microsoft (5, Insightful)

walterbyrd (182728) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875221)

Microsoft cannot sue Android makers directly, because they all already paying Microsoft for the bogo patents. But since MS essentially owns Nokia, Microsoft gets to double dip.

Re:Sweet deal for Microsoft (1)

multicoregeneral (2618207) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875327)

You know, with all the money Apple and Microsoft are losing in these patent fights, you would think they would stop doing it. If I was a Microsoft or Nokia shareholder right now, I would be PISSED! This is a blatant and obvious waste of money, when both companies have better things to do with their revenues.

Re:Sweet deal for Microsoft (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875859)

>You know, with all the money Apple and Microsoft are losing in these patent fights,

Citation needed.

According to most accounts, they're making a ton of money and shareholder value on the patents licensing.

Re:Sweet deal for Microsoft (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875649)

Nokia also sold some patents to Sisvel to go patent trolling with [intomobile.com] . I thought I read they had several of these out there. So they can keep this up all day, suing the same people over and over. And Nokia isn't the only one. So the only way to win this is to just not ever pay the Dane.

bring out the popcorn (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875223)

Before you know it there wont be any cell phones in all of Europe. When Europeans have to switch to landlines you can bet something will give.

That or the companies will form consortorums because it helps all interests. This is how the industry use to do things and even the mobfia has them. Al Carpone even said its not worth it to be dead if we all just want to make money. Its best to not go to war.

I think we can all agree on... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875233)

Based on this summary we can all agree that Apple is evil.

Viewsonic (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875245)

I can understand HTC and RIM... but all Viewsonic has is an Android tablet that does not have 3G.

Re:Viewsonic (2)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875335)

In total, 45 patents are included in one or more of the actions, according to Nokia. They are related to a variety of software and hardware features, including power management, multitasking, navigation, data encryption and the retrieval of email attachments on mobile phones

Re:Viewsonic (1)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876487)

i wonder if i'm the only one who thought of "rimjobs" when i saw a comment about apple followed by a comment about rim?

if apple and rim got together, maybe they could market a new phone with such name. sex sells after all

Wait a few years (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875265)

The defendants just need to drag this case out a few years longer. NOK prices will be so low, these companies can just pool some resources together. Maybe about $200 each, and buy out NOK altogether.

NOK is dead and this is just their last attempt at being relevant.

Re:Wait a few years (1)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875305)

The defendants just need to drag this case out a few years longer. NOK prices will be so low, these companies can just pool some resources together. Maybe about $200 each, and buy out NOK altogether.

This took 7 years to happen to SCO. SCO limped around for years with a penny-stock market cap until Chapter 7 actually happened, all on the hot and humid bloviations of Darl and his other brother Darl.

--
BMO

Re:Wait a few years (1)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876491)

darl vader

Well... (2)

msauve (701917) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875279)

if you can't compete, litigate!

Re:Well... (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875673)

They forgot to go after LG also, now that they're not selling Windows Phones.

The stages of life. (5, Insightful)

lanner (107308) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875331)

Imitate
Innovate
Litigate
Disintegrate

Re:The stages of life. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875429)

shouldnt it be:

Innovate
Imitate
Litigate
Distintigrate

Without the original innovation, what is there to imitate?

Re:The stages of life. (2)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875669)

Without the original innovation, what is there to imitate?

Someone else's innovation, of course.

Company A has an innovation.
Company B imitates it, allowing Company B to catch up, since imitating is easier than innovating.
Company B starts making further innovations on the original design, "standing on the shoulders of giants" and all that.
Company A, desperate, turns to litigation to hold Company B down.
That eventually fails, and Company A disintegrates, leaving Company B as the market leader and innovator ...but here comes Company C.

Re:The stages of life. (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875793)

arguably there has not been all that much innovation in the tech world except size and storage, your innovation was new in the late 70's

IMITATE:
"Now documents filed by Apple in a court case show the US firm acknowledges him as the father of the iPod.

The computer giant even flew Mr Kramer to its Californian headquarters to give evidence in its defence during a legal wrangle with another firm, Burst.com, which claimed it held patents to technology in the iPod and deserved a cut of Apple’s £89billion profits.

Two years ago, Mr Kramer told this newspaper how he had invented and built the device in 1979 – when he was just 23.

His invention, called the IXI, stored only 3.5 minutes of music on to a chip – but Mr Kramer rightly believed its capacity would improve.

His sketches at the time showed a credit-card-sized player with a rectangular screen and a central menu button to scroll through a selection of music tracks – very similar to the iPod.

He took out a worldwide patent and set up a company to develop the idea.

But in 1988, after a boardroom split, he was unable to raise the £60,000 needed to renew patents across 120 countries and the technology became public property."

INNOVATE:
iTunes

LITIGATE:
"In March 2007, Apple opposed a trademark application by startup Sector Labs, which sought to register "Video Pod" as a mark identifying goods associated with a video projector product. Apple argued that the proposed mark was merely "descriptive" and should be denied because the registration would cause a likelihood of confusion with Apple's pre-existing "iPod" marks"

DISINTEGRATE:
Apple historically has done nothing but floundered in the market with its high prices and total arrogance to customers, this works while Steve Jobs is in charge becuase the quality of the next product makes you totally forget your 1 year old 1200$ computer just got made totally useless by an OS update, or archatecture change, but without Jobs at the helm this ideology simply does not work, as the real world comes crashing down, and managers of the estate are focused on maximizing profit without the brilliance of the comapnies founders. There is only one problem on this Jobs outting ... there is no chance he is coming back. Apple will be dead just over a decade from now, nothing more than a shell name for another mega-corp to consume.

Re:The stages of life. (1)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876507)

sounds like an awesome recipe for getting filthy rich, since apple is at the top (out of tech companies anyway)

Re:The stages of life. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875501)

Imitate
Innovate
Litigate
Disintegrate

Totally agree :)
you can get more information here : http://www.peaveyspeakers.org/

Re:The stages of life. (1)

lanner (107308) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875983)

FYI I totally crapped this out in about fifteen seconds. Please feel free to continue with my poem or change it. It certainly seems applicable though.

What a coincidence! (1)

filthpickle (1199927) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875351)

me too!

Nokia will soon be gone. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875391)

The company is substituting aggression under the law for
competency in the marketplace.

This serves no one but the lawyers involved.

And it is some pathetic shit.

Embrace death, you sorry Nokia fucktards. It will embrace you.

Obligatory 'when will it all end' post (1)

daniel78 (2563977) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875411)

But seriously when? At what point will governments wake up and realize that the patent system is paralyzing entire industries? How bad does it have to get? Maybe someone should set up an NPE to sue Congress, in the hope that it will wake-them-the-hell-up.

Re:Obligatory 'when will it all end' post (1)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875693)

At what point will governments wake up and realize that the patent system is paralyzing entire industries?

You forgot one essential fact - that in Politics, money is the grease that makes the machinery run smoothly

The patent system is obviously broken, and this broken patent system is making a lot of lawyers very very VERY WEALTHY

These very wealthy lawyers will make sure that nobody fuck with the goose that lays golden eggs for them, and they will use their new found wealth to lobby the politicians to make the patent system even more pathetic

Even the world at large suffers, it does not matter. It will never matter to the lawyers as long as they are making a killing

That's the way it is, and that's the way it will be

The last spasms of a dying company (2)

gelfling (6534) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875459)

SUE EVERYONE!

Re:The last spasms of a dying company (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875731)

That also happens to be the spasms of a healthy company, and of some beginning companies. This is the market our betters have created, for the encouragement of innovation. Without all of these lawsuits, all cell phone companies would stop making phones, all computer software companies would stop making software, all computer hardware manufacturers would simply call it a day and their thousands of employees would go take up watercolor or finally learn ballroom dancing like they've always meant to do.
 
Why would a company bother to make products, much less improve them, if they can't use those improvements to sue the crap out of their competitors?

Nokia admits market failure, turns to courts. (2)

kawabago (551139) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875487)

Can't compete? Litigate!

patent troll (2)

darkseid (701125) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875503)

If you can't innovate, litigate.

Huge expensive quagmire (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875533)

This is the results of Apple's attempt to win in the courts rather than the marketplace.

When Steve Jobs said he would "go nuclear" to stop other companies from making tablet computers, he failed to understand every other corporation out there is also armed.

That's why sometimes it's so difficult for me to believe Steve Jobs had anything more than a hipster's level understanding of Buddhism. This stuff is beginner's level Karma knowledge- you reap what you sow.

Re:Huge expensive quagmire (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875947)

that or he knew he was going to die soon, and just felt like causing MAD so we could all see what would happen.. in the end it wouldn't hurt him any.

This is Stephen Elop, I'll be your pilot today... (2)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875543)

As of this moment, we are cruising at an altitude of $3.50 as you can see by the NYSE price.

I have been instructed by the parent carrier to initiate a controlled flight into terrain so that it can pick up the pieces and glue them onto itself. You, the investors, are expendable.

Please enjoy your brief flight on MicroNokia Airways.

You are free to move about the cabin.

--
BMO

Re:This is Stephen Elop, I'll be your pilot today. (-1, Flamebait)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875883)

Was that supposed to be funny or something? Because it came out as lame attempt at deprecating humor.

You think Nokia's board is dumb not to fire Elop if he's not acting in Nokia's best interests?

God, these lame armchair analyst zealots get on my nerves.

Re:This is Stephen Elop, I'll be your pilot today. (2)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875927)

>God, these lame armchair analyst zealots get on my nerves.

We all know what's happening.

Elop is sabotaging the company, he and the board will get golden parachutes, and get hired by Microsoft, and the remains of the company will be acquired by Microsoft.

It's been plain ever since Microsoft "bought without buying" Nokia by having Elop installed as Cuckoo CEO.

Deal with it.

Go be butthurt somewhere else.

--
BMO

Re:This is Stephen Elop, I'll be your pilot today. (0)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#39875971)

Okay, so tell me how Microsoft got Elop installed as the Nokia CEO.

Please be as detailed as possible.

Re:This is Stephen Elop, I'll be your pilot today. (1)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876019)

>Okay, so tell me how Microsoft got Elop installed as the Nokia CEO

Microsoft promised a pile of cash and handed it over after he got hired.

Or are you totally ignorant of the history regarding this?

--
BMO

Re:This is Stephen Elop, I'll be your pilot today. (0)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876045)

>Microsoft promised a pile of cash and handed it over after he got hired.

To whom?

>Or are you totally ignorant of the history regarding this?

Enlighten me. Any references will be well appreciated.

Re:This is Stephen Elop, I'll be your pilot today. (1)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876065)

You know what, I'm going to drop this here, because google is --->over there.

Google "microsoft pays nokia 1 billion"

Pick any of the news stories.

You're an ass /and/ a shill.

--
BMO

Re:This is Stephen Elop, I'll be your pilot today. (0)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876107)

Wait, so Microsoft promised Nokia to pay them $1 billion dollars a year to destroy itself with a shill CEO and Nokia took up that offer which will cost it much than a few billion dollars? A company whose market cap was ~$150 billion in 2007.

What are you smoking? You think the Finnish government will let that happen to their biggest company and employer?

I am interested in hearing your thoughts on this.

>You're an ass /and/ a shill.

I may be an ass only to you because you bring out the worst in me with your wrongful shill accusations.

Re:This is Stephen Elop, I'll be your pilot today. (2)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876319)

Wait, so Microsoft promised Nokia to pay them $1 billion dollars a year to destroy itself with a shill CEO and Nokia took up that offer which will cost it much than a few billion dollars? A company whose market cap was ~$150 billion in 2007.

They only needed to pay off a few key quislings, the net worth of the company is irrelevant.

You think the Finnish government will let that happen to their biggest company and employer?

You think they can do anything about it? Protectionism is not looked on favourably by the EU or the WTO.

Re:This is Stephen Elop, I'll be your pilot today. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39876203)

What is interesting is that the big pile of cash actually isn't cash at all. From Q1 Nokia financials:

Our agreement with Microsoft includes platform support payments from Microsoft to us as well as software royalty payments from us to Microsoft. In the first quarter 2012, we received a quarterly platform support payment of USD 250 million (approximately EUR 189 million). We have a competitive software royalty structure, which includes minimum software royalty commitments. Over the life of the agreement, both the platform support payments and the minimum software royalty commitments are expected to measure in the billions of US Dollars. The total amount of the platform support payments is expected to slightly exceed the total amount of the minimum software royalty commitments.

So Microsoft pulled their old trick of paying in "free" licenses again. On top of that given the performance of WP so far, they are giving Nokia almost worthless licenses.

Re:This is Stephen Elop, I'll be your pilot today. (2)

21mhz (443080) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876363)

My time on the internet taught me to interpret "google this" as "I have nothing to back up my claims, but I still want to sound authoritative".

What actually happened is, the board decided to oust Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo and install Stephen Elop, because things were going to hell fast. If he is Microsoft's trojan horse as the conspiracy theorists here like to assert, the board should be blamed for not seeing this. But something tells me that they have better grip on the company's prospects than a legion of Slashdot neckbeards.

Re:This is Stephen Elop, I'll be your pilot today. (4, Interesting)

21mhz (443080) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876327)

Hah, I think there's a better airplane analogy: the pilot is trying to control a stalled airplane, while ignorant onlookers are judging his skill by what altitude and the rate of descent the plane has at the moment.

See, just before the wings stalled, the airplane was gaining altitude. People ignorant about flight dynamics may think this means everything was going OK, but the engine thrust was set too low for that angle of attack and the plane was dangerously losing speed. When the stall warning sounded in the cockpit, the captain woke up from his nap and took control from the dumbass co-pilot, but too late: the plane started to plunge uncontrollably. The captain promptly put the stick down (see, he's trying to kill everyone on board!) and increased engine thrust. In the recent minute, the plane has lost another 1000 feet of altitude and still descends; the recovery is uncertain. And it's all captain's fault, because the fall happened while he was in control!

The thing about financial analysts is, they know jack shit about any specific market, especially so in technologically-intensive areas, so all they are left with to make their crystal ball projections are pure financial data. These tell nothing about where things are going, whether the company is gaining or losing mindshare among consumers and developers. In 1997, the financial press spelled doom for Apple and their stock was tumbling below $3.

Re:This is Stephen Elop, I'll be your pilot today. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39876473)

Yeah, no, the captain noticed they were heading for Europe, said "I hate them froggies. We're heading back to good ol' Texas where I grew up," and promptly started accelerating in the opposite direction. You know, metaphorically speaking.

Patent rule 101 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39875813)

When you can't compete on the market, be a litigious patent whore.
The compensation money will make your corporate results report card look less embarrassing.

Remember the Creative vs Apple patent lawsuit for mp3 players back in 2006?

----
Nokia is in serious trouble now.

Samsung has overtaken Nokia
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phones/nokia-loses-global-cellphone-lead-to-samsung-for-first-time-since-1998/7484

Nokia is bleeding money, and trojan horse CEO is feigning ignorance
http://www.industryweek.com/articles/nokia_loses_1-2_billion_in_q1_27168.aspx

Those who can, do... (1)

subreality (157447) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876225)

... those who can't, litigate.

Yup microsoft has taken over fully (1)

Riceballsan (816702) | more than 2 years ago | (#39876295)

The only 2 companies with the money and the level of disconnect to directly initiate fights in this war are more or less apple and Microsoft. In general other then those 2 companies (and a bit of sony, but that's small potatoes by comparison) the companies that were actually making phones before the smartphone patent war mess, in general wanted to avoid a patent war and actually try to win by making a better phone. Heck if I recall at one point it was more or less a cease fire before microsoft made 2 anouncements within 2 hours of eachother. Anouncement 1: Microsoft will cover legal fees for windows phones if a patent suit arises, and a few hours later, microsoft anounced the start of their suing people making android manufactures in the start of the lawsuits that lead to the $15 payment for every android that sells.
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