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Antivirus Pioneer John McAfee Arrested In Belize

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the spyware-and-police-protection dept.

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First time accepted submitter rebelwarlock writes "McAfee lives in Belize and he says that he has become a target of the Gang Suppression Unit. He says the GSU came busting into his research facility in Orange Walk, killed his dog, took his passport, handcuffed him and arrested him on a bogus weapons charge. McAfee says he's a victim because he didn't donate money to a known U.D.P. Orange Walk politician."

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woo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39886661)

first post

amazing summary (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39886675)

i'm still lol'ing

About time (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39886681)

With any luck Norton is next.

Re:About time (1)

ThatsNotFunny (775189) | more than 2 years ago | (#39886715)

"Sheesh, What a grouch!" -- Norton

Clearly... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39886687)

...they were just warning him that his subscription was about to run out.

Re:Clearly... (5, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 2 years ago | (#39886917)

...they were just warning him that his subscription was about to run out.

It's ironic that a man who works for an organization that uses the same business model: paying protection money so nothing bad happens to himself or his property, just had something bad happen to him for not paying a different organization protection money. Antivirus software is based mostly on scare tactics and it is an attempt at fixing the problem of poor digital hygiene. If people were just more careful with their data, and didn't use web browsers or other network software that allowed the execution of arbitrary code (Javascript, for example: 90% of the websites out there that use it could be redesigned to work without it) would find their risk of a virus or malware infection to be slightly above nothing. Of course, you can't eliminate the risk entirely, but there's no need to be dropping $50 plus a year on subscriptions either.

Re:Clearly... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39886979)

Free antivirus makes your point moot. You don't need to pay $50 a year but it gives stupid people piece of mind that there aren't 50 million hackers stealing their grandchildrens pictures off their machine. Going without any antivirus on a windows machine is not the smartest thing to do unless you know what you are doing. It's basically insurance for those who don't give two shits about the sites they visit and can't be arsed to learn anything about security. Besides, it's not like he's forcing you to buy his shitware or he will infect your machine. AV software is like car insurance, most of the time you are just paying for nothing but when you actually need it, it's pretty damn helpful.

Re:Clearly... (4, Insightful)

Kokuyo (549451) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887259)

Frankly, I only need it when I surf porn sites and there, Microsoft Security Essentials does the trick. As far as I know, you don't even need to pirate that one.

Re:Clearly... (4, Insightful)

reve_etrange (2377702) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887477)

I only need it when I surf porn sites and there

Clearly you haven't read the next article [slashdot.org] .

Re:Clearly... (5, Funny)

CSMoran (1577071) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887613)

I only need it when I surf porn sites and there

Clearly you haven't read the next article [slashdot.org] .

Or he doesn't surf religious websites.

Re:Clearly... (5, Insightful)

optimism (2183618) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887553)

AV software is like car insurance

Only if your car insurance also lowers your gas mileage, decreases your acceleration & cornering & braking performance, and flashes your headlights, while honking your horn randomly, when you're just trying to drive from A to B.

Most commercial anti-virus software exhibits ~exactly~ the behaviors that people expect from a virus: degraded performance, consumption of disk and memory resources, intrusive popups, etc.

most of the time you are just paying for nothing but when you actually need it, it's pretty damn helpful.

When you actually need it, it's too late. As someone mentioned earlier, basic digital hygiene is the best solution. Beyond that a free AV package to run a one-time scan if/when something slips through.

Re:Clearly... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887751)

My AV package doesn't do any of those things. Sure, it isn't great, but it does not get in the way of my work and I am actually more efficient than when not using it. To the best of my knowledge, it has kept me clean the last few years. It's called Ubuntu, maybe you've heard of it.

Re:Clearly... (4, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887159)

It's ironic that a man who works for an organization that uses the same business model: paying protection money so nothing bad happens to himself or his property, just had something bad happen to him for not paying a different organization protection money.

Are you suggesting that MacAfee has been creating viruses? Because you're comparing it to an organization that is both the 'problem' and the 'solution'.

Re:Clearly... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887179)

Well I wouldn't suggest such a thing per say. All I have to say though is before antiviruses there were very few of the damn things. Now with antiviruses we see a virtual explosion of viruses on the net. Coincidence. I think not. No better way to make money then to create a disease and then create the cure.

Re:Clearly... (4, Insightful)

dbIII (701233) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887387)

Coincidence. I think not

They are just two things that depend on the same problem - the failure of Microsoft to introduce a viable security model in the 1990s and the lag relating to compatibility with Microsoft's 1990s software.

Re:Clearly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887407)

Before there were criminals we didn't need police, now we've got police and there are criminals everywhere! Coincidence? I think not.

Re:Clearly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887427)

Except, when the police are worse than criminals.

Re:Clearly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887503)

you sir are hilarious.

Re:Clearly... (1)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887501)

Are you suggesting that MacAfee has been creating viruses?

mcafee the person, no
mcafee the company, duh! (have you been living under a rock)

Re:Clearly... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887183)

Is it ironic that you're a dumbass?

Re:Clearly... (4, Informative)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887233)

Javascript, for example: 90% of the websites out there that use it could be redesigned to work without it

So what you are really saying is that you don't know how websites are made?

Javascript is a client-side scripting language that allows us to modify the DOM (the visible webpage) and make API calls to get data. Without it, there is a hell of lot we just simply cannot do anymore.

While it may be possible to implement everything in a server side scripting language like PHP, it will not be nearly as pretty or functional. Keep in mind, some of that pretty makes it fairly damned functional by creating UI that are not possible with server side only implementations.

Whether you like it or not we are going to continue moving towards browsers being merely dynamic front ends for applications and that simply requires client side code. Period.

The only other option is a metric butt-ton of RDP connections so that users can enjoy an application remotely and that is ridiculously impractical.

Saying that 90% of websites should be redesigned in such a fashion is quite comical.

Re:Clearly... (3, Insightful)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887341)

Whether you like it or not we are going to continue moving towards browsers being merely dynamic front ends for applications and that simply requires client side code. Period.

The only other option is a metric butt-ton of RDP connections so that users can enjoy an application remotely and that is ridiculously impractical.

I just wish there was a better way to deliver remote UIs than AJAX (or "metric butt-ton of RDP connections"). It's a crude and slow hack (although a practical one) to use HTML for dynamic content. Even server side scripts are bit of a bubble gum or an afterthought at least.

There should be a dedicated protocol to deliver UI elements. Maybe there some day will be when this all just gets too messy.

Re:Clearly... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887557)

Funny you say that. If you access the "mobile" versions of a lot of sites they have no Javascript, load nearly instantly and often times have SUPERIOR UI to the "full blown" site that has a lot of meaningless crap.

Yelp is a good example. The mobile version of Yelp is simple and to the point. Is it spartan? Yes, but it's good enough.

Re:Clearly... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887797)

Javascript is a client-side scripting language that allows us to modify the DOM (the visible webpage) and make API calls to get data. Without it, there is a hell of lot we just simply cannot do anymore.

Oh please, thats exacly the problem with JS. it can do too damn much.

Allowing JS to run in every page you visit is like downloading-and-running every executable you come across while googeling something.

While some already have grasped the idea that executables could be bad, the web-page-with-JS designers are still trying to make the consumer believe that "all is fine and dandy". :-(

JS can do too fricking much on my computer, and I've got no control over what is run or not.

Yes, I can block JS for a site. But if-and-when I allow it for a site because without it it just won't work (often because the 'designer' thinks replacing a [<a href=...>] with an [onclick="location.href=...."] is just rad, but more often because spam must be shown) I again have no control over it anymore.

On every visit they could, and often do, throw different scripts at me -- scripts I have no clue to what they are for or what data they retieve from the server, and send back to it (looking at you, spammers).

... maybe if I can select which scripts are loaded/activated and what they can do (like for example only change already available HTML elements but not be allowed to add to the page, load more scripts and/or data or using "eval()") I will think of allowing JS in my browser. Not before.

Re:Clearly... (5, Insightful)

sosume (680416) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887459)

Not only that. He flees from the US to some tax haven so he won't have to repay society for all the money he extracted. The thing is, he forgot that living in such cheap places come with certain downsides. This was one of them, wait until he gets into a car accident or desperately needs medical attention, he'll remigrate faster than the popups appear for his antivirus programs. Karma est meretrix.

Re:Clearly... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887659)

What money he extracted? The things the government does with tax money aren't gifts to us any more than the food, clothing, and housing a plantation owner gave his slaves was a gift. He doesn't owe anyone anything for "what society did for him".

Unless he specifically took some money from the government for a service he failed to provide, your whining about his debt to society is simply dim-witted Marxist bullshit.

Re:Clearly... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887607)

It's not protection money unless McAfee himself is creating the viruses his product protects you from. He's more like hiring a private security firm to protect you from the mob than paying the mob to leave you alone.

Re:Clearly... (5, Informative)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#39886983)

I know you're joking, but a lot of other people aren't and I can't respond to all of them. McAfee (the person) hasn't had anything to do with McAfee (the malware company) for nearly twenty years. He does pharmaceutical research now, and has nearly blown through his entire fortune in the process. Perhaps that's why he could no longer afford to pay the protection money ...er, I mean, make the "political donations".

Re:Clearly... (1)

adolf (21054) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887199)

Would it be fair to say that John McAfee's legacy is somewhat akin to that of Phil Katz [wikipedia.org] , plus or minus some hookers and blow?

It saddens me that these men, whose freely-available software was the defacto standard in the the late 80s and much of the 90s (not so much because of popular momentum, but rather because it really was quite good at that time) have fallen apart financially and perhaps otherwise, and -- in the case of Katz -- died in vain.

To me, it's as absurd as the prospects of John Carmack or perhaps even Bill Gates falling on hard times and hitting the bottom: Nobody would ever expect Carmack or Bill G. of having unsolvable life/lifeissues, but I likewise would've never suspected McAfee or Katz...until I learned otherwise.

So, I ask you, Slashdot: Are there any steps we, as a community, can do to prevent such turmoil in the future amongst important developers of software that actually works? Is it possible to prevent the next Phil Katz or Hans Reiser from ruining everything they have in their life?

And (perhaps) to the native trolls: Should we? Or are our neighboring geeks so expendable that it doesn't matter?

Re:Clearly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887269)

Anyone is expendable, especially people who think they aren't, including you!

Re:Clearly... (4, Insightful)

Kokuyo (549451) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887285)

What do you mean expendable? You do realise that those are adult people, yes?

In case of Katz, alcoholism is a self-inflicted thing that needs the participation and motivation of the afflicted to be cured. Only they can, in fact, cure themselves. How do you even expect us to help them if they do not want to be helped?

We are not their baby-sitters. It's their lives to do with as they please. And who knows, perhaps Katz liked it that way. Drunk driving aside, who are we to tell him he can't do it that way? I wasn't there and I didn't know the guy so I will certainly not act as if I had the right to judge.

Re:Clearly... (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887045)

Actually, people breaking down your door and basically kidnapping you is what happens if you do let it expire. That's why they're so dramatic and persistent about pestering you about it!

Re:Clearly... (2)

rainmouse (1784278) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887073)

Interestingly his wiki profile says something very different.

"On May 2, 2012, McAfee was arrested for unlicensed drug manufacture and illegal weapons in the Central America country of Belize." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McAfee [wikipedia.org]

Re:Clearly... (2)

gd2shoe (747932) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887271)

That line was added by a bot, so who knows where it was pulled from or who wrote it?

I don't know the truth of the matter, but of course the "authorities" are going to make that accusation if they want to punish a medical research lab. It's the "crime" that best fits the "perp". Having additional perspective is fine, but it's no more definitive than his statement at the moment.

Check the citation... (5, Informative)

denzacar (181829) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887283)

From Wikipedia:

Beginning in February 2010, John started a new venture in the field of bacterial quorum sensing.
His new company QuorumEx is headquartered in Belize and is working towards producing commercial all natural antibiotics based on anti-quorum sensing technology.[6]

From the cited article:
http://edition.channel5belize.com/archives/69891 [channel5belize.com]

Analysts at the Forensic Laboratory, and personnel from the Ministry of Health were taken to inspect the facility and samples of an alleged antibiotic apparently being manufactured at the Laboratory were also taken for analysis.
The Ministry of Health has already confirmed that no licence has been granted to McAfee or any of his agents to manufacture antibiotics in Belize.
Doing so without a licence is an offence under the Antibiotics Act.

Then, there are bits that seem a tad... not directly related to the alleged main issue of the police action:

Present on the premises at the time were John McAfee, his girlfriend who is a seventeen year old Belizean minor, five security guards.
  ...
 
Further investigation led into a query regarding the employment of the security guards. This revealed that only two of the four guards on the premises were licensed to act as security guards.

  ...
 
At the end of the search, three of the security guards were arrested and charged for "Providing Security Services without a License".

Also, the dog was not shot dead. It was "fatally wounded".

...the GSU says that three of the eleven dogs on the premises attacked and bit one of the officers on his right thigh.
The same dog then attacked a B.D.F. soldier who responded by fatally wounded the dog.

WTF? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39886693)

His dog didn't do anything! I wouldn't be shocked to read that members of PETA shot someone from the GSU in the next few days.

Re:WTF? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39886907)

I would do it. But on the other hand.... those GSU douchebags are the real animals...so maybe we should put them in cages instead.

Re:WTF? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39886999)

Most swat teams will shoot dogs during raids due to the possibility of the them being trained attack dogs. It sucks for the owner but if I was swat, I wouldn't want a 120lbs german shepard trying to tear my leg apart.

Re:WTF? (5, Insightful)

tobiah (308208) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887077)

They do it to intimidate the owner, the same reason they break down unlocked doors. It's violence that is easily written off as property damage.

Re:WTF? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887621)

Yes, in countries like America who are deeply paranoid about everything and so just shoot everything "just to be sure".

In civilised countries like most of those in Europe for example, they wait to see if the dog is actually a threat before shooting it. Dog's aren't clever little subversives that sit pretending to be all innocent until you're not paying attention to it then attack, if it's trained to attack you can be pretty fucking sure that that's the case when it's charging you with it's teeth fully shown.

It's not exactly hard to tell if a dog is a threat or not, if you can't read a dog's stance and expressions you're too fucking dumb to be weilding a gun in the first place. If SWAT teams aren't even taught this sort of thing then it shows how utterly incompetent they are and how utterly unfit they are for the purpose they're intended, but then, shoot first ask questions later is also precisely why America lost Vietnam, ran with it's tail between it's legs from Iraq, and is now losing Afghanistan to boot - because shooting without confirming a threat is the quickest way to turn people even more staunchly against you.

Re:WTF? (1)

Hentes (2461350) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887591)

It could be a guard dog.

Re:WTF? (1)

million_monkeys (2480792) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887807)

His dog didn't do anything! I wouldn't be shocked to read that members of PETA shot someone from the GSU in the next few days.

Well, a different article [channel5belize.com] on the same site claims:
"And in regards to the fatally wounded man’s best friend, the GSU says that three of the eleven dogs on the premises attacked and bit one of the officers on his right thigh. The same dog then attacked a B.D.F. soldier who responded by fatally wounded the dog."

Here's your legal advice Mr. McAfee (4, Insightful)

BigSlowTarget (325940) | more than 2 years ago | (#39886697)

Get the hell out of there as soon as you can. If the corruption is that bad you won't be getting a fair trial.

Re:Here's your legal advice Mr. McAfee (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39886801)

At least he's saving on income tax.

Re:Here's your legal advice Mr. McAfee (3, Funny)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 2 years ago | (#39886875)

Are you kidding? He'd have to go through airport security before he could get back into the US. He's better off there.

Re:Here's your legal advice Mr. McAfee (4, Funny)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887065)

*psst* You might wanna check a map.

Re:Here's your legal advice Mr. McAfee (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887063)

He had no reason to do that though because his antivirus software assured him that it offered 100% protection against corrupt politically based sham trials in the summary of its heuristics capabilities.

heh (1, Funny)

niix (839104) | more than 2 years ago | (#39886701)

Must have been a trojan virus.

Killed his dog (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39886703)

That isn't even funny. I hope they get cancer.

Re:Killed his dog (2)

rhizome (115711) | more than 2 years ago | (#39886725)

They're just emulating US Police.

http://www.theagitator.com/?s=puppycide [theagitator.com]

Re:Killed his dog (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39886757)

The only way I'd bother clicking on a link to a site called The Agitator is if it had a relevant search result for washing machines. I'm pretty fucking left of center and yet that name just screams "untrustworthy to the point of worthlessness."

Re:Killed his dog (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887009)

Exactly, everyone knows the quote "always judge a book by its cover"...

Re:Killed his dog (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887075)

Sorry, you're right. I looked at it. It wasn't exactly what I thought. I thought it would be multiple reporters writing biased stories filled with skewed facts, and instead it was just some dude's blog that I have no reason to read since I, too, look at Google News and none of his original content is of any value to me. Congrats to him on moving to HuffPo, where his pointless blog will be better than anything I've seen there in quite some time. Can you please give me those minutes of mine back?
 
(By the way, I'm all for lefty papers if they have good original content. Mother Jones is one.)

Obviously... (5, Funny)

hundredrabh (1531761) | more than 2 years ago | (#39886707)

He needs better protection.

Re:Obviously... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39886845)

Get Trojans.

McAffee - Jailbase? Yep... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39886721)

http://www.jailbase.com/en/arrested/fl-bso/2012-02-12/charles-john-mcafee-521200035

"Charges: ASSAULT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE"

Not my use of capitals...

But, that must have been before Belize.

Question: Why does this guy live in Belize? (5, Informative)

lanner (107308) | more than 2 years ago | (#39886723)

Re:Question: Why does this guy live in Belize? (3, Insightful)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 2 years ago | (#39886859)

In his defence (if you're even making a snide remark at him; I'm not really clear) he's donated millions to public works in the country. I suspect if more of the commentators here had RTFAed, they would be a little kinder.

Re:Question: Why does this guy live in Belize? (5, Insightful)

robotkid (681905) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887175)

There's quite alot of foreshadowing in the fastcompany article:

Then there is the $1 million patrol boat he donated to the Belizean coast guard. (In a letter to The New York Times, he described it as an act of philanthropy; later, he tells me he had to bribe members of the coast guard to prevent them from hassling his ferry business: "This is a third-world country. I had to bribe a whole bunch of folks.

indicating that he routinely gives large, overt, public bribes to get whatever he wants in Belize

Then there's this:

"And so a pair of police officers came to visit him. "We are sorry that we have to tell you to stop building that wall," they said. "I am sorry that I have to tell you that I am going to build it anyway," he told them, and they left. To McAfee, this exchange was proof of the evolved level of discourse in Belize, where a person is largely left to do as he pleases. . . At the time, I thought that he was simply being argumentative. But McAfee seems to want freedom without limitation. Needless to say, few of us exercise this sort of freedom. It tends to be very expensive."

Either he is willfully ignoring the fact that this seems to have been a small-time shakedown attempt or he is completely oblivious to it. Did he really think Belize patrolmen (note, not the environmental cops) are so genuinely concerned about shoreline regulations?? He doesn't seem to realize by being so brazen about describing large bribes to the press he's just inviting even bigger, less polite shake-downs in the future, which sounds exactly like what (unfortunately) just went down. Did he really think that request for a campaign contribution for the guy employing police hitsquads was purely optional when bribes for building permits, import permits, business titles, etc. for his dozens of shell companies were not?

Sure, it still sucks, and I feel sorry for him, but it really does sound like he specifically chose Belize because he liked how pliable the laws were if you had money and it never occurred to him that cuts both ways...

Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (3, Informative)

Morty (32057) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887819)

Then there is the $1 million patrol boat he donated to the Belizean coast guard. (In a letter to The New York Times, he described it as an act of philanthropy; later, he tells me he had to bribe members of the coast guard to prevent them from hassling his ferry business: "This is a third-world country. I had to bribe a whole bunch of folks.

indicating that he routinely gives large, overt, public bribes to get whatever he wants in Belize

Bribing foreign officials is a violation of the US law Foreign Corrupt Practices Act [wikipedia.org] . So it's surprising that he would admit this to a journalist.

Move to Israel the corruption there is much more (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39886741)

Move to Israel the corruption there is much more "user friendly" and you probably enjoy all the hustling and haggling. It might be a religious country, but sure ain't when it comes to economy and politicians themselves. And yea, you'd be able to make some deals and keep your weapons if you move to the territories. Being a goy you'd be surrounded by unfriendly on both sides of the green line.

Re:Move to Israel the corruption there is much mor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887667)

Citation, please?

Sounds similar to tactics.... (5, Funny)

wbr1 (2538558) | more than 2 years ago | (#39886743)

...McAfee AV used on my PC. I know it held the CPU hostage. And demanded more money and threatened me when I did not pony up. It told me I was not safe.. that I needed to 'buy' protection. I tried contacting the local police, but an IT friend of mine said that the entire county, including the popo was under a McAfee 'contract'.

Re:Sounds similar to tactics.... (2)

CyberDruid (201684) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887611)

...but did it kill your dog?

Licensing Firearms (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39886785)

This is an inevitable consequence of licensing firearms. It's why any civilized people are opposed to the concept.

Re:Licensing Firearms (2)

Intropy (2009018) | more than 2 years ago | (#39886927)

While I agree with you that requiring licenses for firearms is foolish, I don't think that was really a factor here. He had licenses for his firearms, and he was still charged for their possession. If the police are corrupt enough to trump up charges on you, given the will, they will have little trouble inventing something.

Never could have happened here... (0)

kurthr (30155) | more than 2 years ago | (#39886799)

That never would have happened to a rich white guy who lived in a nice neighborhood in the US... unless he was protesting the government, or beating his wife.

Re:Never could have happened here... (2)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887005)

That never would have happened to a rich white guy

If he was a rich white guy, he wouldn't be protesting against the government, he would be buying politicians, instead.

And he would pay someone else to beat his wife for him.

Well that's funny (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39886803)

Not too long ago, I think maybe on Sunday or Monday of this week, the conservative blogosphere was all atwitter over some alleged "enemies list" that Barack Obama keeps of people who donate to competing campaigns or refuse solicitations to donate to his.

You want a real enemies list? Go look at what happened to John McAfee and be thankful you fucktards still have your house and your pets and your family with you.

The conservative histrionics this year is just out of this world.

Re:Well that's funny (4, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 2 years ago | (#39886837)

the conservative blogosphere was all atwitter

You Sir are my grammar hero of the day. What a beautiful sentence :)

Re:Well that's funny (5, Insightful)

Curunir_wolf (588405) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887103)

When the president of any country publicly calls you out by name and says you're on the "wrong side of the law", you have every reason to be afraid. Especially when the president's appointees have openly practiced and justified the unlimited detention and the killing of citizens without due process.

Claiming that it's "conservatives" are against this is a pretty disingenuous way to defend this kind of behavior. Especially considering it's likely a conservative president will likely be elected at some time in the future. When he tries these things, will you defend it then, too?

Re:Well that's funny (1)

slimjim8094 (941042) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887475)

You've misleadingly quoted the sentence.

“A closer look atdonors reveals a group of wealthy individuals with less-than-reputable records. Quite a few have been on the wrong side of the law, others have made profits at the expense of so many Americans”

After each name, the campaign lists deeds that they find objectionable or “less-than-reputable” that mostly boil down to business transactions that included alleged outsourcing or layoffs and involvement in the oil energy industry.

In other words, it's campaigning and an attempt at shaming people. Frankly, it's not a particularly difficult job to meet the criteria. The president personally and publicly mourned the death of just such an individual (Steve Jobs), calling him "among the greatest of American innovators". And before I get haters, he fits the criteria - wealthy, and in his youth he sold blue boxes (illegal). It's a stupid list, but it's even stupider to call this a threat that a renegade executive will make good on.

I'm no fan of Obama's detention and "due process" nonsense, but it's disingenuous and, as the GP said, "histrionics", to claim that the President is going to disappear you or hit you with an airstrike because you won't donate to his reELECTION campaign. Emphasis intentional, since even in this dystopian post-apocalyptic hellscape, he can still lose the election and there's not a damn thing he can do. Big difference to any of the countries like Belize, where you actually can get arrested for not "donating".

By trying to refute the GP, you have proven his point.

Gang Suppression Unit (1)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 2 years ago | (#39886811)

Funny, the first thing that went through my mind before reading TFA was that they had arrested him for running a scam whereby his organization made viruses to boost his antivirus software sales numbers...

dotcom mcaffee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39886841)

“What are we going to do about the fat man at the toll bridge? He has all of these security guards. He’s probably involved in illegal activities. Everybody is complaining about him.”

if it worked for riaa, should work for belize too.

Maybe he should have kept paying his taxes ... (3, Insightful)

quax (19371) | more than 2 years ago | (#39886843)

... in the good ole USA. Many pretty places to live there, too.

Re:Maybe he should have kept paying his taxes ... (3, Insightful)

dadioflex (854298) | more than 2 years ago | (#39886925)

This. At least in the US if you're a rich man you don't need to lock yourself away in a gated compound surrounded by security... no, no, I'm hearing myself say it. Never mind.

Re:Maybe he should have kept paying his taxes ... (0)

rycamor (194164) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887049)

... no, no, I'm hearing myself say it. Never mind.

Heh... nice turn of phrase. Why have I never heard that one before?

Comment on Belize's Facebook page? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39886847)

Leaving a few comments on Belize's page could have some effect. I for sure am not traveling to Belize because of this.
https://www.facebook.com/TravelBelize [facebook.com]

Re:Comment on Belize's Facebook page? (1)

rebelwarlock (1319465) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887029)

Surely you're not saying that you think a particular travel agency represents the entirety of a country, and has any influence whatsoever on law enforcement?

U.D.P (5, Funny)

The Evil Atheist (2484676) | more than 2 years ago | (#39886899)

This is obviously a warning to keep with TCP and maintain connections.

Re:U.D.P (0)

rycamor (194164) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887057)

Oh COME ON, people... where are the funny mods?

Probably has to do with McAfee blocking scam sites (2)

thisisauniqueid (825395) | more than 2 years ago | (#39886931)

Belize is a great place to host a shady site. I was scammed as a seller on eBay by a Russian reshipment fraud circle that operated a fake storefront website in Belize and recruited reshippers via monster.com, then used stolen PayPal accounts to deposit actual payment in sellers' bank accounts followed by having sellers ship to the reshippers, who then on-shipped to Russia. Anyway, the short story is that probably these guys didn't like the fact that McAfee was blocking some of their scam websites...

John in trouble again? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39886947)

It sounds like a bad day that never should have happened. Of interest, John got himself run off the Hawaiian island of Molokai not too many years ago by local activists angered by his attempt to come in and be a savior against drugs. He was running full page ads in the local paper with pictures of neighborhoods where he alleged drug transactions were regularly going on. He even started his own newspaper to carry on the battle. Next thing you knew, they were all over his case to the point that he had to auction off his property, including a never lived-in and nearly completed beach house and some other property he had here at significant losses. Even his auctions raised a lot of negative stuff from the activists. He may be a good person but he has a penchant for pissing off the wrong guys.

McAfee? No sympathy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39886953)

McAfee is the worst antivirus company I've had the misfortune to deal with. The company that produced a firewall we used was bought by them and support went straight into the shitter. I have a ticket with them that was opened in in November and it is still not solved. The last time they contacted me was in January. I hope he ends up in a PMITA prison.

Someone is behind this (1)

ibic00 (2534408) | more than 2 years ago | (#39886955)

e.g. Intel.

Too Often, Killed His Dog (5, Interesting)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887021)

I'm hearing too often about police raids that involve killing someone's dog in the process. I'm coming to think that killing a person's dog -- whether the person is innocent or not, and the dog most likely is completely innocent -- is a tactic now of police forces around the world to intimidate and harm the suspect regardless of the validity of the raid. Are police being taught that it is just safer to kill any dog they come across? It has gotten to the point where I'm rooting for the dog to win at least once.

Re:Too Often, Killed His Dog (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887133)

Armed intruders like swat police are violent thugs. They wear enough body armor that a dog would be but a minor annoyance. They just love to shoot and kill, and pets are of no legal consequence so they do it liberally.

Aptly named (5, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887061)

I bet you thought they were a (gang suppression) unit,

but they're actually a gang (suppression unit).

The Three Ps (3, Interesting)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887111)

Priests, Policemen, and Politicians. I just watched a documentary about a famous, now-defunct Black comedy club in Chicago called _All Jokes Aside_. The former owner noted the big city phenomenon of the 3Ps showing up when a business gets successful looking for handouts. And, if you don't pay up, each one will do their best to make you pay for it. In his case, he took care of the police, but not the politicians who made it a point to make sure he couldn't get a liquor license when he decided to relocate.

Re:The Three Ps (1)

BLAG-blast (302533) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887229)

Pirates! The 4Ps: Priests, Policemen, Politicians and Pirates.

shit like that happens (2)

steve.cri (2593117) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887125)

to ordinary people all the time, all around the world. it has to happen to a a rich guy in a poor country for the sheepish majority to see what an unchecked police force can do to people.

kaspersky key (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887343)

http://www.buykasperskystore.com/?p=213

Lesson learned (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887391)

There is a simple lesson here. Don't live in third-world shit holes like Belize. First world shit-holes like America are bad enough.

that's the risk of 3rd world countries (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887443)

You think you're saving money, but you do give up some guarantees.

Oddly, it works out worst for the richest people. The "suggested donations" required to ensure fair treatment tend to get larger the richer you are. Or just the richer they think you are.

Yup, he wanted to save on taxes, hope he dies (1, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887483)

This guy is nothing but a fat rich cat looking to skip on paying taxes. So. now he sees what happens when everyone does that. You might think the IRS is a though one to deal with but they got to respect the law. In fantasy lands like Belize, not so much.

This guy deserves no sympathy, only ridicule.

Here's some legal advice John... (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 2 years ago | (#39887485)

Don't live in a third world shithole. That's the best advice anyone can give you.

Seems noble 'till you back away and look at... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887497)

the big picture. He's supposedly in Belize looking for cures, by grabbing random plants and seeing if they might somehow protect people from bacterial infections... (or seeing if he can find Clitalis or Vaginagra... yeah, he's looking for more than one thing, apparently,) but where is the science? Where is there any evidence that these "rare" plants have compounds in them that can prevent bacteria from becoming pathogenic? This strikes me as looking for the site of the wreck of the titanic by going down to a local pond, and picking up rocks on the bottom and looking under them. "Here?" No... "Here?" No... damn! "Where is it?!?"

Also, does it matter if they become pathogenic? I mean, even if you stop this alleged quorum sensing they do, they are still eating at healthy tissues and multiplying, aren't they? So it'd be like terrorists sneaking into your country and setting up terrorist cells... if you can prevent them ever getting the signal to launch attacks, killing many people, great, but if meanwhile they are colonizing your country, killing a few citizens at a time, instead of hundreds or thousands, and having kids and training them to act the same way, eventually you get overrun, even if they never fire a shot, or blow up anything.

So if you aren't KILLING the bacteria invading you, you're going to die eventually anyway, it's just instead of dying in days to weeks, you die in weeks to months. But as the bacteria are eating you, you'll be dying slowly, unless and until they eat something you REALLY need, like a section of your aorta, or your brain stem, then you die rather abruptly, all while the bacteria don't realize they have a strong enough number of themselves to wipe you out.

But I digress, I'm sure he was busy looking for cures while hanging out on a beach and flying around his little ultralight deathplanes. Shame the busted him.

pobre hombre!

U.D.P. Orange Walk politician (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887527)

Maybe he could claim he sent money, but the politician never received it...

Should I know the answers to these question? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39887805)

What is the Gang Suppression Unit? Is it a military unit, a police department, a paramilitary group, a terrorist organisation? The only clue is that he was arrested, which probably rules out the last two.

What does U.D.P. stand for? I presume it's not the Ulster Democratic Party, but beyond that I have no idea.

Is Orange Walk a street, a city, a town?

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