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Researchers Create Life-sized 3D Hologram For Videoconferencing

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the perfect-for-the-basement dept.

Communications 60

yyzmcleod writes with this excerpt: "A research team at Queen's University has created a human-scale 3D hologram pod that allows people in different locations to videoconference as if they are standing in front of each other. Called TeleHuman, the technology is the creation of professor Roel Vertegaal, director of the Human Media Lab, and his graduate team at the Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario. Similar to the Star Trek holodeck, participants can walk around the 3D hologram of the remote person they're talking to and view them from all sides. More importantly, the system captures 3D visual cues that 2D video miss, such as head orientation, gaze and overall body posture."

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Just wondering... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39901135)

These people, are they totally nude?

cue up every stupid star wars reference available. (5, Funny)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 2 years ago | (#39901137)

What is thy bidding, my master?

Re:cue up every stupid star wars reference availab (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39901237)

What is thy bidding, my master?

Dude, you're not that new here! You know it's going to be stupid porn jokes.

Actually, I don't see many business meeting applications - except engineering meeting to show 3D protypes or parts or something.

But porn? Hell yeah! I KNOW where these professor can get funding - in cash - and extremely happy encounters during fundraisers.

Re:cue up every stupid star wars reference availab (4, Funny)

Nidi62 (1525137) | about 2 years ago | (#39901249)

Would hate to be the technician that has to clean the equipment every night though

Re:cue up every stupid star wars reference availab (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39909021)

Would hate to be the technician that has to clean the equipment every night though

Especially when it is a blow up doll.

Re:cue up every stupid star wars reference availab (1)

Eponymous Hero (2090636) | about 2 years ago | (#39921495)

Actually, I don't see many business meeting applications

the obvious one is threatening your subordinates with violence and then disappearing at the meeting table, a la wesker, resident evil: extinction.

Re:cue up every stupid star wars reference availab (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39901863)

What is thy bidding, my master?

That it is clearly stated this was Queen's University Kingston Ontario and not the potato university in Ireland where this was developed.

Re:cue up every stupid star wars reference availab (1)

slick7 (1703596) | about 2 years ago | (#39904209)

What is thy bidding, my master?

Finally, a made up body for a made up corporate entity. A "person" who exists only in the mind. Take your lawyers and sue that,...I dare you!

Re:cue up every stupid star wars reference availab (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39906785)

What is thy bidding, my master?

It's a disaster. Skywalker, we're after.

Re:cue up every stupid star wars reference availab (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 2 years ago | (#39912637)

What is thy bidding, my master?

There is a genie in a bottle sort of aspect to it.

If we lived in a universe where these got deployed, there would be unnaturally 'hot' CG Saleswomen who would be motion and voice controlled by real people remotely and the marks, I mean the sales prospects would be free to walk around the tube to look at whatever they wanted as long as the sale was closing.

Creep-o-tube might be a good marketing name. Oh, wait, no we're supposed to say the opposite of what it really is.

not much of a hologram (4, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | about 2 years ago | (#39901191)

More of a circular display. Cool, but not yet practical.

Re:not much of a hologram (5, Informative)

Andrzej (151436) | about 2 years ago | (#39901221)

Indeed. Here's the relevant research paper: http://www.hml.queensu.ca/files/TeleHuman%20CRC.pdf . Nothing to do with holography, just a cylindrical screen projecting an image from a standard stereoscopic projector.

Re:not much of a hologram (2)

nurb432 (527695) | about 2 years ago | (#39901425)

Sort of like the term 'hacker' the term 'hologram' has been perverted by the ignorant. Most people wouldn't know a real hologram if it bit them in the ass.

Re:not much of a hologram (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39901445)

To be fair, if it bites them in the ass, it's not a real hologram, it's obviously a telepresence bot.

Re:not much of a hologram (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39901515)

we need 3D porn to make it popular

Re:not much of a hologram (1)

EdZ (755139) | about 2 years ago | (#39904609)

Yep. It's not a hologram, it's not 3D (volumetric or multi-plane), it's not even stereoscopic! It's a 2D cylindrical display that tracks the viewer's head location (i.e. only one viewer at a time) to simulate a moving perspective, along with a depth-camera (e.g. kinect) derived model of the target.

Re:not much of a hologram (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39906199)

There's been many holographic projections before, many that are better than this crap. I was expecting a legitimate hologram which is what one would expect as a news article these days. Nothing about this is holographic, it's just a screen.

So does this mean.... (5, Interesting)

Nidi62 (1525137) | about 2 years ago | (#39901213)

We can now teleconference with Tupac?

Re:So does this mean.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39901329)

I fail to see the logic in your request.

Re:So does this mean.... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39901731)

Tupac (a rapper of some notoriety who died in the most authentic way possible, ensuring he will be long remembered by those who glorify crime) was recently "revived" in "hologram" form for a concert with Snoop Dogg, another rapper, which is to say a computer-generated image (or possibly worked-over footage, it's not clear from publically available info) of him was projected on stage using a Pepper's Ghost rig, with a voice actor doing his talking and either a voice actor rapping or a recording (again, not clear which).

So now people who are into rap and don't know what a hologram is (a (not)surprisingly large intersection, those two sets!) associate hologram with dead thugs, and would take GP's statement seriously. I assume/hope GP actually meant it as a joke, but you never know with rap fans.

Re:So does this mean.... (0)

Nidi62 (1525137) | about 2 years ago | (#39901771)

So now people who are into rap and don't know what a hologram is (a (not)surprisingly large intersection, those two sets!) associate hologram with dead thugs, and would take GP's statement seriously. I assume/hope GP actually meant it as a joke, but you never know with rap fans.

I actually can't stand rap, as I barely even consider it music. So yes, it was an entirely tongue in cheek post.

Oh the fun (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39901277)

I can imagine the sales people and their "gestures" mid meeting being picked up by the other side.
Of course, there are other uses for this; medical, teaching, adult...

Frightening Prospect! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39901291)

Suddenly, teleconferencing with someone who telecommutes from home seems like a dangerous proposition. One must be ever vigilant that what has been seen cannot be unseen! Do they include Peril-O-Matic glasses?

But as for the Hologram... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39901295)

...will it blend?

This will never catch on... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39901311)

...until they use it to make porn

Solution looking for a problem (1)

Mannfred (2543170) | about 2 years ago | (#39901313)

The medical industry has been using 3D voxel based imaging for a long time now, and this looks like a neat extension of existing techniques. The output looks quite grainy but this is probably partly down to kinect resolution, and partly down to compression. Based on the video my guess is that the voxel resolution is somewhere between 128x128x128 and 256x256x256 so worst case you could be looking at 10x more data than HD video at full frame rate.

This looks like a great little R&D project, but one has to wonder what the best market for this kind of live 3D videoconferecing would be - perhaps getting feedback on your golf swing or dance steps by a remote coach? It likely won't come cheap, and a decent (say 10 Mbps) network link is almost certainly going to be a requirement at both ends for decent performance.

Re:Solution looking for a problem (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#39901323)

but one has to wonder what the best market for this kind of live 3D videoconferecing would be - perhaps getting feedback on your golf swing or dance steps by a remote coach?

I'm thinking a different kind of dance step here.

Hint: What social phenomena has tended to drive consumer electronics like VHS tapes, DVDs and the Internet?

Re:Solution looking for a problem (2)

Nidi62 (1525137) | about 2 years ago | (#39901361)

Hint: What social phenomena has tended to drive consumer electronics like VHS tapes, DVDs and the Internet?

Piracy?

I was just going to say (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39901373)

Can I have sex with it too?

Re:Solution looking for a problem (1)

Mannfred (2543170) | about 2 years ago | (#39901633)

A virtual gerbil running inside this tube projector coming to a Hollywood celebrity near you.

Re:Solution looking for a problem (1)

bratwiz (635601) | about 2 years ago | (#39902027)

This looks like a great little R&D project, but one has to wonder what the best market for this kind of live 3D videoconferecing would be - perhaps getting feedback on your golf swing or dance steps by a remote coach?

Seriously? You have to wonder???

I have a bad feeling about this. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39901331)

That's no hologram. It's a French pissoir!

Why bother? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 2 years ago | (#39901449)

Seriously, why bother with this sort of thing at this point?

It would be far more efficient and practical if we just use head mounted displays + motion sensors. The technology already exists for this, all it needs is more horsepower / better software to drive it.

Sure a huge impractical bulky expensive non portable box would remove the need for glasses, but its still going to be big, expensive and you are stuck sitting in front of it.

Re:Why bother? (1)

medv4380 (1604309) | about 2 years ago | (#39901737)

Yes the Technology exists, but there was a reason why the Virtual Reality Headset was canceled by Sega, and it had nothing to do with its financial problems. Head mounted displays are as bad if not worse for your eyes then the 3D Movies. Prolonged exposure to unnatural 3D images can cause more then just a headache. I'll agree with you that there are other technologies though that have existed for a few years that put this cylinder "3D" to shame. If Sony or anyone can make this [youtu.be] practical then that is the way to go.

Help Me! Obi Wan (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39901479)

Or as Carrie Fisher might say I only need to mess up my meds to talk to virtual people

Not a hologram (1)

Hentes (2461350) | about 2 years ago | (#39901499)

This is nothing more than a VR cylindrical display. Works like VR glasses but costs 10 times as much.

Re:Not a hologram (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39902359)

True true, this is definitely not hologram. It is common problem that people doesn't know what is hologram.

Should fit in an R2 unit (2)

Subm (79417) | about 2 years ago | (#39901573)

If it fits in an R2 unit it should be helpful. It could be our only hope. Or a new hope, at least.

You have to make sure it doesn't skip too much. You might break your screwdriver getting it to play.

3D Miku? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39901599)

So does this mean we'll get 3D teleconferencing with Hatsune Miku? (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luv_SNo1f0Y )

Sounds good to me.

What's the point? (1)

Paul Carver (4555) | about 2 years ago | (#39902057)

Sounds like it's even more useless than our current telepresence rooms.

We've got expensive telepresence rooms all over our company, but they're useless as far as I'm concerned. First of all, they didn't even bother to mount whiteboards on the walls, just a couple of easel style ones. Second, when you stand up to draw a diagram the fixed position cameras can't pick up anything above the middle to bottom of your chest (depending on how tall you are) and cut out the top half of even a tiny easel style whiteboard. If I wanted to be limited to screen sharing from my computer I don't need the telepresence room at all.

What sort of meeting is all about people staring at each other and walking in circles around each other examining each other from every angle? It doesn't appear that this cylindrical display is suitable for showing anything more than a single person just standing there.

I guess it would be useful for mail order prostitutes if there is such a thing, but I can't think of any other reason anyone would walk 360 degrees around another person examining them.

As far as I'm concerned a face to face meeting means standing up, drawing diagrams on the largest whiteboard available or at the very least drawing on sheets of paper and sliding them back and forth across the table.

If you're just going to show me Powerpoint slides, I'll sit in my home office and watch your screen sharing program or better yet just email me the Powerpoint. I don't need to stare at a fixed HD camera image of your face, nor do I need to walk around a "hologram" and stare at your butt.

Fapping never got better (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39902271)

wohoo

Pepper's Ghost (1)

mbone (558574) | about 2 years ago | (#39902401)

"It's not a hologram, it's just Pepper's Ghost."

I am beginning to feel like I should put that on my tombstone.

Re:Pepper's Ghost (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39903053)

You should change your name to Pepper first, for maximum confusion.

New teleconferencing capabilities (1)

sixtyeight (844265) | about 2 years ago | (#39903595)

From TFA:

In addition to TeleHuman, the Queen’s researchers have also developed BodiPod, an interactive 3D anatomy model of the human body. The model can be explored 360 degrees around the model through gestures and speech interactions.

When people approach the Pod, they can wave in thin air to peel off layers of tissue. In X-ray mode, as users get closer to the Pod they can see deeper into the anatomy, revealing the model’s muscles, organs and bone structure. Voice commands such as “show brain” or “show heart” will automatically zoom into a 3D model of a brain or heart.

Oh, now they have to combine the two. Nothing like idly flicking away layers of tissue from the person at the other end of the teleconference while they're nattering on. And, you'll finally be able to verify that some people actually do have a heart.

that isn't a hologram (1)

Karmashock (2415832) | about 2 years ago | (#39904097)

That's a cylindrical screen.

Clever... but who really needs this? I guess I just don't understand the actual need for it. Why would I buy a special cylindrical screen to represent objects this way when I can get nearly the same experience by having a normal flat screen? Sure, I can walk behind someone and look to see what the back of their head looks like... why is that useful to me?

I suspect flat screens are going to be the norm for the foreseeable future.

Still... clever idea...

Comparisons to the holodeck (1)

Sarius64 (880298) | about 2 years ago | (#39904129)

"Similar to the Star Trek holodeck". Apparently the Design Engineering Staff has never researched the design of a holodeck. The technologies could not be more different if one tried.

Interesting (1)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | about 2 years ago | (#39906483)

I just watched Iron Sky yesterday, where something like this was portrayed. "Wonder how long until that is common?" I thougt to myself.

Now the real question is will it ever become mainstream?

Editor's don't know what hologram is? (1)

home-electro.com (1284676) | about 2 years ago | (#39907629)

I nearly jumped out of my seat, as just recently I was making a prediction that animated holograms will not possible for... long time, and now this.

But this is not a hologram! Even then, as an invention it is embarrassingly underwhelming. You have to stand inside a claustrophobic tube for it work? really? Please take back all your "visual cues", I prefer plain old LCD monitor.

Obi-Juan! Ayuda Por Favor! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39909743)

"Obi-wan-kenobi! Only you can help me now!"

TFA misleading (1)

Mozai (3547) | about 2 years ago | (#39909905)

The article uses the word "hologram" over and over, and comparisons to Star Trek, but the PR video avoids the term 'hologram' and uses "projection" instead. Hologram technology is not used, and people expecting features found in any hologram (paralax viewing, different views from multiple simultaneous points) will be sorely disappointed.

If someone has created a new and useful car, don't call it "a street aeroplane just like the Wright Brothers!"

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