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Ask Slashdot: All-In-One PC For Kitchen?

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the wake-me-when-it's-got-a-robot dept.

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New submitter brabq writes "Now that I have a couple of CableCard tuner devices in the house (including the network-based HDHomeRun Prime), I'm thinking of buying one of those all-in-one touchscreen PCs for our kitchen (yeah, something I've always sworn against for future repair reasons). The idea is that it would be used primarily for (1) watching TV, via the aforementioned Prime and WMC, and (2) light web surfing (recipes, some sort of video chat possibly). Does anyone have any experience with these types of devices in a kitchen-like setting (where I'd like to use a touchscreen over having a keyboard/mouse on a kitchen counter)? I keep hearing that Windows 8 is going to have some added benefits to this type of setup — is it worth waiting for its release? My end goal is it has to have a high WAF ... if my wife doesn't like its appearance on the counter or finds it useless, then the whole thing will be a waste."

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Sexist (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39903781)

A stove

I know you don't want to here this... (5, Informative)

Tyler Eaves (344284) | more than 2 years ago | (#39903783)

But just buy a fucking iPad.

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (4, Funny)

Immostlyharmless (1311531) | more than 2 years ago | (#39903811)

If he had already "here'd" it, he wouldn't have to buy one ;-)

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39903823)

Tyler "here" is not "hear"

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (5, Insightful)

aurispector (530273) | more than 2 years ago | (#39903851)

No question. I don't even like really like ipads or tablets in general but this is the right answer. A little bracket to mount it on the wall and you're done.

A decent android tablet would fill the bill nicely, too.

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904309)

The proximity of a touchscreen computer to the kitchen environment sounds pretty messy to me.

Why not consider using an iMac with a bracket to mount it to a kitchen cabinet, once it has been reconfigured to use voice commands? The GP should be able to pick up a gently pre-used iMac for 1/4th the cost of a dedicated touchscreen PC.

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (2)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#39905445)

Why not consider using an iMac

You already gave the answer: MESSY.
An Imac configured to use voice commands STILL needs a mouse and an Keyboard. Milk in the keyboard is no fun.

Its way easier to whip a tablet down than it its to clean a keyboard. And the Tablet does voice commands too, and video calls, an TV, and every other thing you would need done in the kitchen, including bar code scanning the packaging you are about to toss in the trash to add that item back onto your grocery list.

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904401)

A little bracket to mount it on the wall and you're done.

You can buy magnetic iPad mounts so that you can stick it to your fridge (e.g.FridgePad [woodforddesign.com] ; I'm sure there are other options). You can also buy protective coverings or sleeves that still let you operate the touchscreen (e.g. Chef Sleeve [chefsleeve.com] ), though in practice we've found that it's not really a problem (a touschscreen is pretty easy to wipe clean).

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (-1, Redundant)

Local ID10T (790134) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904767)

A little bracket to mount it on the wall and you're done.

You can buy magnetic iPad mounts so that you can stick it to your fridge (e.g.FridgePad [woodforddesign.com] ; I'm sure there are other options). You can also buy protective coverings or sleeves that still let you operate the touchscreen (e.g. Chef Sleeve [chefsleeve.com] ), though in practice we've found that it's not really a problem (a touschscreen is pretty easy to wipe clean).

Double plus good post!

(quoting since you posted AC and most people will never see it...)

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39903863)

Just buy a laptop. Don't buy Apple shit.

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904641)

Hey, Apple sells some nice shit! It may have an intolerable odor, but their shit is still very nice. Shiny too.

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39903869)

Yeah...stationary computers are yesterday. Get a "fucking" iPad, or some nice android tablet like the transformer prime, and a nice stand for it. Hell...over engineer and enclosure for it if you need carpentry geek kicks.

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39903947)

But does iPad have support for multi-process usage methods?
Chatting and browsing at the same time next to each other?

Better yet, has anyone put Linux on an iPad yet with full support for general PC work?

If yes to either, iPad could probably be used. If not, probably some other generic PC tablet that isn't (as) locked down.

Guess then it depends on whatever requirements with respect to programs that they may have.
I assume Skype and any web browser that isn't crap. Throw in a tiling window manager for even more effortless placement of windows.

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904005)

If you're asking about Linux on an iPad then you've missed the significance and capability of what an iPad offers. I use Linux and FOSS a lot but seriously, why the FUCK would you want Linux on an iPad?? iPad is instant-on, lots of useful applications and a UI that almost anyone can use without training.

If you need Linux, then you can buy any of a bazillion ultra-mobile/laptop/netbook type machines and have fun trying to get a good seamless experience.

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904135)

Or just the iPad as a terminal to remotely connect to your other Linux devices. If you're the type to want to install Linux on an iPad, you probably have several.

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (2)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#39905179)

Its called Remote Desktop/VNC. Stop trying to shoehorn stupid shit in that we have done remotely for decades. Tablets are portable screens with big batteries, thats it. If you want to do heavy lifting, install a fucking backend and remote in.

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904053)

But just buy a fucking iPad.

+1. And get a zip-loc bag to keep it food-free.

Mod Parent Up Please - Baggies FTW (1)

billstewart (78916) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904483)

Yup. iPod in a baggie. And some kind of wall mount for it. If you decide you don't like it, you'll now have an iPod instead of a useless appliance.

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904091)

But just buy a fucking iPad.

The Honeywell 316 [wikipedia.org] is a much better choice, it was build as if the OP's needs were its specs.

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (2)

aix tom (902140) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904213)

Reading or entering these recipes would have been very difficult for the average cook, since the user interface required the person to take a two-week course to learn to program the device, using only toggle-switch input and binary light output.

Hey, I didn't know they were able to run a Unity-like interface back in the days.

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904107)

Hmm, does the iPad have a CableCard slot? (rhetorical) That seems to be one of his deliverables. I'd want to get TV on it too (though I stream everything).

Does Hulu/Netflix work on an iPad? I assume the web players are Flash-based, and as I recall, no Flash on iPad?? /not an iPad user

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904177)

You seem quite ignorant about the iPad, so why are you commenting on it?

For one thing, the HDHomeRun Prime is a network based cable streaming device, and actually, Elgato produces an EyeTV app specifically for it [elgato.com] . They also produce an EyeTV app for their other products that allows streaming, and there's also products like Slingbox.

Second, yes, of course Hulu and Netflix work on iPad. Both require subscriptions, but they stream video just fine. There are also apps from several major networks including ABC, HBO, CNN and others that allow you to stream their content.

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (2)

Americano (920576) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904227)

There's an "HD HomeRun" service which purports to work with "HD HomeRun Prime" - so I presume he doesn't need a cablecard, but can simply connect his iPad over wifi to a cable-carded device. (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/hdhomerun/id444454129?mt=8)

Hulu+ has an app for the iPad, I can't speak for whether or not it works well, as I've never used it, but it's available;
Netflix works *great* on an iPad, I can speak to that, I use it frequently when traveling.
Youtube works fine.
Many cable providers also will allow you to stream some/all their programming to an iPad app / web browser. I have Comcast, and the Xfinity TV app works well.

Depending on what you watch, and how well HD HomeRun works, it's entirely possible they could put together a decent selection; The problem is with all of these services, the networks and the cable providers don't offer a full lineup of channels to mobile devices.

Web browsing, skype/facetime, and other general light usage, and some selection of tv/video/music would work pretty well; pair this with a small set of bluetooth speakers (or wired), and you'd have a decent kitchen setup. I use my iPad a lot in the kitchen for recipes, though I just have a small stand I put it on while I'm using it.

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (4, Informative)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904125)

If you're a cheapskate like me, I'd recommend the ~$300 ViewSonic G-Tablet running VeganTab (based on Android 2.3 Gingerbread).
Overclocks to 1.4Ghz, and breezes through Netflix, YouTube, even random websites with Adobe Flash videos. I like WinAmp for streaming radio. It has built-in stereo speakers, but for the kitchen you'll probably want to plug it in to bigger speakers. It also has a USB jack so you can plug in a real keyboard for whatever reason.

Plus, these tablet things probably wipe down cleaner than whatever All-in-one PC you might find.

There's also a pretty good Android 4 ICS port done by TeamDRH [teamdrh.com] which is in beta right now, but VegaTab still works better/faster/more stable at the moment. Multitasking is a bit nicer, but the memory footprint is too high for the G-Tablet to multitask well.

Yeah go with a tablet - iPad is a good choice (4, Informative)

Gimbal (2474818) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904155)

I have a tablet, namely an iPad, which I use in the kitchen on occasion. I would recommend a few apps for that: The All Recipes app; the Epicurious app; the Food Guru app. I'm sure that there must be apps about wine selection, and maybe even about beer, too.

For browsing, I'd recommend iCab. Atomic Web Browser is another good one. (iCab, as one of its many features, can synch its bookmarks with Dropbox, which I don't know if Atomic can, as of yet.) Either of those offers some more features than the conventional Safari mobile browser, in a pretty reliable browser platform. (App crashes seem like less of a concern, on the tablet platform, I think)

You can also take it outdoors with you - weather permitting, of course. There's pUniverseHD for iPad, when it comes to stargazing after dinner ;)

As far as TV, then, there's Netflix on iPad - it's close enough for my tastes ;) If you're into sports - Olympic sports, namely - Universal Sports has also put together an app for the 2012 Olympics kicking off in July. In the more "mainstream sports", and for existing cable subscribes - as I recall - there are apps from ESPN, also. Then there's RedBull TV, for the extremophiles in the family. If you're an existing cable subscriber, there are apps from HBO and I think from Cinemax, as well.

Lastly: For hanging it from the kitchen counter, Belkin makes a nice little temporary mounting bracket, and I'm sure there are more permanent options available. The major technology retailer, BestBuy, carries the Belkin bracket, in their iPad section.

Entertainment and utility abound on the well supported mobile platforms, these days - enjoy!

Re:Yeah go with a tablet - iPad is a good choice (3, Insightful)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 2 years ago | (#39905423)

If if is going to be permanently in one location, than a goofy little partly functional device makes no sense at all.

You are really looking at something more along these lines http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Reviews/Home_Office/G3X2A9D4 [smarthouse.com.au] .

So an all in one computer mounted to say a cabinet door with a slide out and tilt forward keyboard mounted underneath that cabinet, mains powered.

If you can afford to spend more, why stuff about with a dinky little toy. Here's another http://www.pcworld.com/article/185061/windows_7_allinone_pcs_big_touchscreens_for_all_budgets.html [pcworld.com] . Basically what they are looking at, is what ever is left in the all in one PC with touch screen market, with a 20 inch or bigger screen.

Waterproof (5, Insightful)

Immerman (2627577) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904473)

Forget the software, just make sure the hardware is waterproof. I remember hearing of at least one recently. Pretty much any tablet on the planet will be able to handle the meagre demands you're putting on it, and if it's Linux or at least non-Apple you'll be able to fine-tune it's behaviour. On the other hand the kitchen is probably one of the messiest rooms in the house, any regularly used surface/tool/etc that can't be easily cleaned will rapidly become either a pain in the ass or a disgusting mess, especially if it's something you'll inevitably want to touch with messy hands while in the middle of cooking. The ability to just wipe it down with a damp/soapy rag instead of carefully using special cleaners will make a world of difference.

Also - you probably want to consider a strategically placed mounting bracket - counter space is valuable real estate. I might consider something that folds down from under a cabinet somewhere and has power wired to it so you never have to worry about recharging. The refrigerator door is another likely candidate. Also pay attention to where she spends most of here time while in the kitchen. At the stove? Sink? Counter? Ideal placement will allow convenient video chatting or recipe access while working at her preferred station. Don't get too close to the stove though - hot oil vapors condense on all nearby surfaces and can be a real challenge to clean.

Just keep in mind that you're looking to install an appliance in an extremely electronic-hostile environment, not a gadget. The fundamental design trade-offs you want to make are very different.

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (3, Interesting)

John Bokma (834313) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904643)

Or a Kindle Fire. That's what my wife uses in the kitchen to follow recipes on YouTube and other sites.

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (5, Interesting)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904965)

Nope, too expensive for too small a screen for a kitchen PC. As someone who has actually set a few of these up for customers I would recommend something like the HP or Gateway all-in-ones. You can get them anywhere from 19-24 inches, they have both AMD Fusion and Intel i3 units (Personally I like AMD Fusion as the price is lower while having excellent hardware acceleration for video and very low heat generation) and you can basically choose from units starting at around $350 going all the way to $800 just depending on what features you want.

so I'm sorry but the iPad isn't a good choice in this situation. Not saying there is anything wrong with it, in fact I recommend them myself for doctor's office and warehouse inventory as you can't really beat the size in those applications, but in a kitchen you want something big enough you won't have to go past the stove when you are cooking and with large enough icons you can just pop them with a knuckle in case your hands are a little messy. Just not the right device for this situation IMHO. If he wants to look at them last I checked Tigerdirect had a large selection although with the shortages of Fusion chips most of theirs are Intel i series just as this really nice Gateway for $699 [tigerdirect.com] which would give him a nice 23 inch 1080p with enough hard drive space you could load it with movies (great when you are stuck in the kitchen) and with built in Wifi and webcam it would be easy to integrate into his existing system and do video chat as per TFA.

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39905143)

Better yet, just buy a nice frickN iPad doc, with a fm tuner. Then if you have three iPad and two iPhones you can charge everything from your kitchen base station. Keep one on your nightstand too and you'll be totally set. BTW, it's this power station lock-in that prevents me from trying an android at this point, being compatable with the base station chargers is key. The iPad is the only solution I'd recommend for the kitchen. If seri worked on the iPad it would be the icing on the cake.

Re:I know you don't want to here this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39905505)

That would work but he wants to user it as a TV, not a browser.

Why ask here? This is a "Linux" site? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39903799)

It always boggles my mind why people think this is a good place to ask about Microsoft and Apple related products... this site is a source for technology related news with a heavy slant towards Linux and Open Source issues.

Re:Why ask here? This is a "Linux" site? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39903833)

And it always boggles my mind why people here think Apple and Microsoft can't be solutions to problems. Get off your high horses, fuckbuckets.

Re:Why ask here? This is a "Linux" site? (-1, Offtopic)

hendridm (302246) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904081)

I'm hoping I have a good reason to call someone a "fuckbucket" today (which I most certainly will). I like it.

Duh iPad... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39903815)

Just buy an iPad. I understand the tendency of us geeks to over engineer everything but honestly as much as I don't like apple, after having one I use my laptop strictly for working from home. I have Netflix and YouTube for video and it's touchscreen like your asking for. Plus you say if your wife doesn't like the appearance then it's all a waste so why not just get a small 10" screen that you can easily take anywhere?

Re:Duh iPad... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904101)

there is of course the kindle fire which uses open source

saying 'buy an ipad' ignores other tablet choices. some of which use a lot less power. a kindle e-ink 10" tablet is nice and has a browser and music playback and runs at least 8 hours on a full charge with wifi enabled.

Re:Duh iPad... (1)

Capt. Skinny (969540) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904883)

He said he wants to watch TV on it. Maybe he wants to watch it from more than two feet away.

wife uses iPad (1)

Shavano (2541114) | more than 2 years ago | (#39903817)

My wife uses an iPad for that all the time. She finds the iPad satisfactory for this purpose.

Mostly, she uses it for music and recipes.

Old school (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39903827)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kitchen_computer_ad.jpg

ipad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39903841)

lol, as soon as I read the summary I was thinking iPad. Looks like everyone else did too.

Include music and radio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39903885)

I'd make sure you have the ability to play from your music collection and listen to online radio.

some restaurant / fast food places have covers on (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#39903925)

some restaurant / fast food places have covers on the screens to try to keep them clean.

Honeywell H316 (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39903935)

There's a kitchen model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywell_316#Kitchen_Computer) with integrated cutting board.

HP TouchSmart 610 (4, Informative)

leonbev (111395) | more than 2 years ago | (#39903957)

I'd vote for an HP TouchSmart 610 myself, since it comes with a TV tuner and a remote controller. It also has a built-in Blu-Ray player and comes with a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse along with a touchscreen. I'd think that I would fit into a kitchen fairly well.

The only downsides I see is that TouchSmart's aren't cheap, and they do not have official Linux support. That said, I see them on sale all the time.

Re:HP TouchSmart 610 (1)

xmundt (415364) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904051)

Greetings and Salutations;
          This is my thought too. With a 23" screen, it would be easy to read throughout the kitchen, and, it does have outputs that could go to a larger LCD tv mounted near it. It would mount on the wall nicely, and, having used one for a little bit, I find that the on-screen keyboard is not good for touch-typing, but, works ok for light data entry. (URLS, Google searches, etc).
            I think that concerns about limiting its role are overstated. I do not think that it would get used for "general computing". After all, in most cases, we hang out in the kitchen for one of a few reasons: to cook; to eat what we have cooked; or to clean up. I, for one, do not set my laptop up on a kitchen counter and work there, simply because there are better places.
              As for the linux issue...that is true enough. While Linux will run nicely on the box, it really does not support the touch screen at all. There are some primitive steps towards that, but, getting it to work can be both painful and complicated, requiring some technical skills (applying patches to the OS & other programs, recompiling, etc). The technology is too new yet for widespread support, however, I suspect that by this time next year, there will be considerable improvement in the support.
          Pleasant dreams
          bee man dave.

Re:HP TouchSmart 610 (0)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904095)

I'd think that I would fit into a kitchen fairly well.

Dude, this about a computer, not a kitchen aid.

Re:HP TouchSmart 610 (1)

sgbett (739519) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904269)

From the summary (emphasis added):

I'm thinking of buying one of those all-in-one touchscreen PCs for our kitchen

dude! it's about the kitchen ;)

Re:HP TouchSmart 610 (2)

maxwells_deamon (221474) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904133)

not all touchsmart 610's have blue-ray. Maybe all recient models do but mine does not
also mine has no video output. I have to use an external usb adapter to drive a second monitor

Re:HP TouchSmart 610 (1)

Sporkinum (655143) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904245)

They are cheap if you go refurb.
Cheetahdeals has Gateways and Dells cheap.
Specs on the cheapest one($400) completely blow away any tablet.
The Gateway One ZX4951-33e Refurbished All-In-One PC's 21.5" Full HD display saves space, is easy to use and is perfect for any room in your home providing interactive computing, enhanced media sharing with social networks and stunning HD entertainment.
        Intel Core i3-550 3.20GHz
        Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
        Intel HD Graphics
        4GB DDR3 and 1TB HDD
        21.5-inch HD widescreen touchscreen display
        Wireless Keyboard and Mouse
http://www.cheetahdeals.com/All-In-One-s/35.htm [cheetahdeals.com]

Or HP's refurbs often has good prices on TouchSmarts. They don't now, but stock changes all the time.
http://h71016.www7.hp.com/html/hpremarketing/daily.asp [hp.com]

Buy a regular laptop or a mini-laptop (notebook). (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39903981)

In the kitchen, I'd want to google stuff, and I'd find it easier to find recipes on the internet with a notebook, than with an ipad. A 13"notebook would be perfect for kitchen use, and I would use it on a swing-arm or else create a little wall-nook for it.

W

Re:Buy a regular laptop or a mini-laptop (notebook (2)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904877)

Been there, done that, with a $250 Ergotron arm. Ipad wins hands down.

Big Ass PC More Useful (1)

Mystiq (101361) | more than 2 years ago | (#39903991)

I think some people are missing the point. A monitor could do tv in from a cable box. Most providers DON'T have the app Cablevision has to view live tv on an iPad. Plus I think a bigger screen would be nice, 32" or something. If your hands are messy, you don't want to have to hold the tablet, or move it from table to counter so you don't have to keep moving to see its tiny print. A giant touchscreen pc could get more uses than a tablet.

Primary use (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904009)

How about using the kitchen primarily for its designed purpose of cooking food?

Hate to agree with everyone else (5, Interesting)

Grayhand (2610049) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904017)

An iPad is the elegant solution. You could even get creative and route out a place for one in a cabinet door so it was at eye level then use the adapter to keep it plugged in so you'd never have to charge it. They are instant on and if you have wifi set up you can download movies and music. Add in some bluetooth speakers and you get decent sound. Honestly you'll spend a nearly a grand getting a set up that will be bulky and take up counter space. Yes there are cheapie computers but they are large. I'm talking a nice machine that has a small foot print. I used to use Shuttle boxes which are around the size of a toaster but it's a build it yourself. Then you end up with a monitor and cords and it's not very portable. You even get Facetime with an iPad so you can do video calling. It's $500 bucks and you avoid a lot of grief and expense. If you leave it plugged in the battery life isn't an issue so it could easily last you five years with no maintenance.

Re:Hate to agree with everyone else (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904261)

Get an iPad, mount it with a plate hanger, load Recipe Box app. All done.

A touchpad PC is too old-school... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904019)

... and time-intensive to be worth the effort. I've done the whole "roll your own" thing trying to build my own HTPC but man when you get a purpose-built box like a GoogleTV or Roku or Tivo it's just a 100% better, easier, and faster. You could engineer and build your own thing but unless you plan on making a career for yourself as an embedded hardware or software engineer, it just seems like a way to stuff time down a hole.

Go with a tablet. If the iPad is too expensive for you look at the Le Pan II, a 10" Android tablet that is under $300 and is considered very sturdy.

Instructables to the rescue! (5, Informative)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904023)

Here ya GO. [instructables.com] Be sure and pick a spot where you can get at the reset button.

It called a LAPTOP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904033)

Now you should start a discussion on where to buy a laptop lol

-Hashie @ trypnet.net

Got a Touchscreen PC for the kitchen 3-4 yrs ago (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904037)

We have an HP TouchSmart PC in the kitchen, where the microwave used to be. No cable, just ethernet & it's used primarily for seaching for recipes. Can't user her iPad, as the grandkids commandeer that when we get home! It's also good for measurement conversion, Calorie counts, Product warnings/recalls, etc. There's a wireless mouse/keyboard & it's stayed clear of the flour/sugar problem we likely would have had by having it up higher than the countertop. With our own PC's elsewhere in the house - it's convenient just for what it was purchased for. If you want it to be static - get a PC, if you wish to have portability, then a tablet. Depends upon your expected usage & whether you're already WiFi or not.

buy a separate touchscreen (2)

Blaskowicz (634489) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904047)

an option is to buy a standalone touchscreen, it's readily available but very expensive. you can hook up anything to it.

in particular, many nettops or mini computers can be screwed on the back plate through VESA mounts so you can use an ARM net top, an Atom PC, something like the zotac zbox with an AMD E-350, etc. You get to keep the OS choice and double boot if necessary ; just make sure, if you want to try a linux based solution, to get hardware with usable graphics drivers for linux (dunno if atom is better than AMD there)

the touch screen is horribly expensive but you get a total cost similar to an All-in-one. and yes, windows 8 ARM or PC is the best solution, or using XP or 7 in the interim. or android is similar. it has an important checkbox, "can fucking use all functions included in the hardware". sent from my PC with permanently idle H264 decoder and 3D accelerator.

Laptop (1)

subreality (157447) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904065)

Touchscreen is kinda nice for tablets when you're moving around, but on the kitchen counter a laptop works great. I've had one there for a while. I would definitely go for something small and light (easy to get out of the way) like a laptop or tablet instead of an all-in-one.

Tablet + A good stand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904069)

I just use a proper stand that attaches under the cabinets and my usual work & play tablet. Mostly used for music and derping around on youtube, but for the most part other people are around and it's far more fun to be social than to be knee deep in gizmos. 95% of any recipe I might need to refer to is either already printed or from one of the many family recipe books we've made through the years/generations.

Ya'll probably need to get some priorities lined up. And yes, I'm from The South where cooking isn't a chore -- it's half the fun!

Easy answer for Windows 8 (0)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904075)

I keep hearing that Windows 8 is going to have some added benefits

1. Download and install the Windows 8 Consumer Preview [microsoft.com] ;
2. Realize that the Windows 8 Metro UI is the worst product Microsoft has ever made - worse than Bob or Clippy;
3. PROFIT from your new-found experience.

Re:Easy answer for Windows 8 (5, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904987)

I keep hearing that Windows 8 is going to have some added benefits

1. Download and install the Windows 8 Consumer Preview [microsoft.com] ;

2. Realize that the Windows 8 Metro UI is the worst product Microsoft has ever made - worse than Bob or Clippy;

3. PROFIT from your new-found experience.

4. SELL Windows 8 product to unsuspecting eBay victim.

5. BUY an iPad or an Android tablet.

6. ASK wife if you can start sleeping in the bed again.

Raspberry Pi attached under a cabinet. (1)

Nutria (679911) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904111)

She's less likely to balk at something like that.

The trick will be attaching a monitor and kb in some fold-out arrangement.

Re:Raspberry Pi attached under a cabinet. (1)

csumpi (2258986) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904305)

Nah. The real trick will be getting a Raspberry Pi.

But if he could actually get one, by the time the keyboard/monitor/mouse added, fold-out arrangement fabricated, time spent getting it all to work, he could've saved money buying a cheap tablet.

Re:Raspberry Pi attached under a cabinet. (1)

Nutria (679911) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904413)

The real trick will be getting a Raspberry Pi.

he could've saved money buying a cheap tablet.

But then if his wife decides she doesn't like a computer in the kitchen, then he's left with generic parts and a Raspberry Pi (all imminently reusable for some other project) instead of an extra tablet.

A few things (2)

koan (80826) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904165)

1: your wife will eventually find it useless.
2: the amount of smoke and grease in the air will eventually destroy though maybe not before #1 (even though you may not see smoke or grease it's there)
3: Why? Just get a $399 iPad or even better Kindle Fire, because you don't really need much in the kitchen correctly? Not like you're playing WoW while putting cheese sauce on your cheesecake.

Microsoft has you covered (1)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904169)

This sounds like the perfect application for a big ass table! [youtube.com]

Smartphone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904273)

I think those are called a smartphone!!!!!

iPad (1)

Jaro (4361) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904275)

Sorry, but I have to say I use an iPad for recipes and (if I wanted to) TV in the kitchen. Works great, no hassles.

No PC. (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904279)

iPad and under cabinet mount/holder. You can watch HD home run channels and do everything else you need in a smaller and cheaper device that can also act as a tablet.

Mom the toaster got hacked again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904363)

and it wont let me put bread in it ....keeps popping it out....

dell optiplex9010 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904365)

Dell is releasing an all-in-one touch screen this fall...its going to have replacable parts, screen, motherboard, drives, etc... seviceable like a laptop is.

Maybe I'm getting old (5, Insightful)

BlackPignouf (1017012) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904537)

I used to get excited for every single tech gadget out there, and would run to Amazon or the next shop to get it ASAP.
Maybe I'm getting old or maybe I'm becoming more and more environmentally-conscious, but the bottom line is :
You don't need it.
Nobody needs an All-in-one PC in the kitchen, nobody needs a web-enabled washing machine, nobody needs a beta firmware on its dishwasher, and nobody needs an LCD display on the fridge.
Those stuff just get obsolete after 2 years, and become "broken" even though their main utility would still work perfectly fine without the added useless complexity.
I expect my fridge, my dishwasher and my washing machine to still work in 10 years.
Your gadget will wind up in the dump in a few years.

Re:Maybe I'm getting old (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904711)

I'll get of your lawn gramps!

Re:Maybe I'm getting old (5, Interesting)

Theaetetus (590071) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904723)

Nobody needs an All-in-one PC in the kitchen, nobody needs a web-enabled washing machine, nobody needs a beta firmware on its dishwasher, and nobody needs an LCD display on the fridge.
Those stuff just get obsolete after 2 years, and become "broken" even though their main utility would still work perfectly fine without the added useless complexity. I expect my fridge, my dishwasher and my washing machine to still work in 10 years.
Your gadget will wind up in the dump in a few years.

I've had a Mac Mini with a touch screen in my kitchen for 5 years. It acts as a media server for the whole house, shows recipes and email and lets us watch tv shows on iTunes, Netflix or Hulu while we cook. It's totally obsolete - I can't even upgrade the OS anymore - but we don't use it for anything except that "main utility".

I expect your expectations are wrong.

Re:Maybe I'm getting old (4, Insightful)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 2 years ago | (#39905035)

Nobody needs an All-in-one PC in the kitchen

Nobody needs a computer at all unless you use it to make money and by extension keep yourself alive and nourished.

A lot of people WANT an All-in-one PC in the kitchen. Control music, watch TV, keep track of shopping lists, read recipes, skype with a friend while cooking. I do all of these things in the kitchen. Currently I use various forms of getting up and going to some piece of technology, holding onto a phone, writing on bits of paper, and my personal favourite, going to the computer in the study to print a recipe I found on the internet.

Obsolete? You obviously don't understand the purpose of an appliance. This isn't something that needs to be perpetually upgraded. My shopping list won't be in 3D requiring DX10 or better to run in a few years. Skype may improve, but unless FTTH becomes the norm I think that'll take longer than 2 years at which point the device will still be capable of running it.

You have no imagination and I'm glad that there's not more people like you or those who modded you insightful otherwise we'd never have a computer to begin with (which at the time was thought as something that was useless and no-body needed it).

Thanks for the comments so far, but ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904591)

... maybe I should have specified as to what the HD Homerun Prime (and any CableCard device) does, and why an iPad is not a solution. It tunes cable TV channels, and - unfortunately - the only OS/application combo that can display it is Windows Media Center in Windows 7 (+) ... thanks to all of the copy flags and encryption that our cable companies pump into the stream. Meaning, you cannot use any Mac, Linux, or other solution to watch TV on it, but you can Windows.

Also, I appreciate some of the comments here about that, yes, it's for the kitchen and yes, it's meant to be static. Basically, a most-oftenly-used-as-a-TV solution that also allows for computer usage that might be performed in the kitchen. Hopefully this clears things up a little bit!

Thanks for the comments so far!

Re:Thanks for the comments so far, but ... (2)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904759)

Some cheap ones from China [aliexpress.com]

We already have a computer (2)

Karmashock (2415832) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904603)

What we need are networked sensors.

The stove doesn't need a computer. It needs to communicate with the everything else and possibly have servos so that it can be controlled remotely.

If every appliance could communicate with a centralized system we could do some pretty neat things.

Re:We already have a computer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39905239)

That technology already exists in commercial kitchens. I haven't seen anything for home kitchens, though.

Who needs a kitchen PC? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904693)

Do you know who needs a PC for their kitchen?

fucking NO-ONE.

If you can't bear to be in a room without a television, you are a fucking retard. If you can't print out a recipe, write it down, or even remember it, you are a fucking retard.

Re:Who needs a kitchen PC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904913)

I'm happy to see that educated men still post here.

Ask her first. (1)

Bieeanda (961632) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904757)

No matter what we suggest here (and I suggest that it's a bad idea from a user comfort and utility angle), if she doesn't like what you're selling to her then it's going to be a waste before this article falls off the front page.

Searching for recipes and surfing the web? I guarantee that printing something off from a PC that she can actually relax at is going to be more appealing.

Television? It really sounds like you're trying to justify the cost of getting the rest of your house wired up. How much time does anyone spend in there?

Video chat? Come on. A wireless phone with speaker function would sell itself much more easily, and wouldn't try to drag her into the scheme (or the kitchen) for novelty value.

A monitor and a bluetooth keyboard (3, Informative)

cptdondo (59460) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904809)

That's what we did. Got a 21" wall mount monitor, above the fray, attached a bluetooth keyboard/mousepad combo ($25 off ebay) and youi're golden. A couple of speakers and you can do whatever you want. And best of all the only thing that can get trashed is the keyboard; you can keep spares in your drawer if you really want.

And yes we do use it as music background and to stream internet radio of all sorts.

SEX W+ITH A SPONG4E (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39904889)

to any BSd project, Will not work. And

Media consumption (1)

tomhath (637240) | more than 2 years ago | (#39904919)

If all the people in the kitchen need is a media consumption device than any table will do fine. Beyond that you need something with a real keyboard and mouse. Speaking from experience here (I actually own an iPad, won as a door prize); tablets are okay if you don't need to enter much besides a short string of text. I wouldn't buy a replacement if the freebie I have gets broken.

Not iPad -- no HD channels with Cable Card (5, Informative)

crow (16139) | more than 2 years ago | (#39905095)

I'm surprised by the number of people suggesting mounting an iPad or similar tablet. Yes, this does make a lot of sense. It makes even more sense to have a mount where you can put the iPad while you're cooking, then take it with you when you're done--this is ideal if you want to have an iPad anyway.

The problem is that you can't currently watch HD channels on an iPad. There is an app for $18 that will let you watch SD channels, but apparently the processor in the iPad can't do HD MPEG-2, or at least the writers of the app in question haven't figured out how to do it.

So with TV being the primary function, you need something that can handle TV.

Another issue is how your cable company sends the channels. Are all the channels you care about set to copy freely? If not, then you can only use solutions that are Cable Labs certified (that probably rules out any tablet apps or Linux solution).

Now, having said all that, I think I need to find a mount for our iPad to put on a cabinet in the kitchen.

Ceton Echo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39905115)

Wait for release of Ceton Echo later this year. Size of your hand, low power (runs ARM), can stream channels from your HDHomeRun via an intermediary HTPC in your house running Windows 7. No rental box fees, and it should be able to play recordings from your HTPC.

iPad In The Kitchen (1)

sk999 (846068) | more than 2 years ago | (#39905253)

While an HP TouchSmart might best meet the needs of the OP, one should not underestimate the utility of an iPad in a kitchen setting - it has a versatility not found in any All-In-One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcIwXVKQjsQ [youtube.com]

Why oh why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39905277)

Can't stand to be more than 15 feet from an active internet connection? I really don't get it.

Forget the iPad (1)

Holi (250190) | more than 2 years ago | (#39905305)

The first spill and your out $600, go for a Pantech Element and get something cheaper and more durable.

Chumby (1)

M_Ryo-ohki_C (865460) | more than 2 years ago | (#39905359)

Buy a Chumy, either the Chumby8 or the Sony Dash. http://www.chumby.com/ [chumby.com]

Big tablet with dishwasher-safe stylus (1)

kriston (7886) | more than 2 years ago | (#39905529)

I recommend a big tablet with a dishwasher-safe stylus.
The Belkin Kitchen Stand and Wand for Tablets is perfectly suited to this task, especially if your hands get yucky.
The big Vizio, Samsung Galaxy, and iPad fit right in.

Find it on AMZN and elsewhere. The Chef Sleeve for iPad is also helpful for following recipes.

built-in in apartment complexes (1)

swell (195815) | more than 2 years ago | (#39905565)

I helped develop several affordable apartment complexes that have a kitchen unit as you describe. I managed one of the buildings (36 units) and observed how the computers were used.

The residents qualified for living there based on their low income. There were no college grads. Some were too poor or ignorant to buy a proper computer.

Of the 36 units, about 10 used their computers, and that quite rarely (mostly the young children). I used mine sometimes to stream videos or music during extended kitchen stays. I did look up a recipe on two occasions in 15 months.

The computers had mouse and keyboard which could be removed as the touch screen served well for most activities. They were wall mounted to conserve counter space, and high enough to require effort for kids to reach. There were almost no maintenance problems.

There is probably a day coming when everyone has a computer in every room; but not as we know them now. Most likely a Siri type unit that speaks and listens and can play music or report news (no video). I can think of no good reason for anyone, educated or not, to have a permanent computer in their kitchen, bathroom or closet. I don't know anyone, male, female, young, old, rich, poor ... who would benefit from one enough to make it worthwhile.

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