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Aussie Politician Threatens To Contact Employers of Satirical Article "Likers"

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the what-not-to-do dept.

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Chuq writes "Tasmanian Liberal candidate for Bass, Andrew Nikolic, was the subject of a satirical article by NewExaminer on Facebook. Nikolic didn't like it, which is understandable. However he then went to considerable lengths to identify the people who liked the article, find out their employers (via their Facebook profiles) and 'name and shame' them on a follow-up post on his own page. Andrew Nikolic has a history of poorly handling conflicting views on his Facebook page, resulting in creation of another page, 'Andrew Nikolic blocked me.'"

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Not much of a politician (4, Insightful)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39914697)

Doesn't he know that a real politician gets his enemies back in *secret*?

Not even a politician (5, Informative)

dontclapthrowmoney (1534613) | more than 2 years ago | (#39914773)

He's not even a politician - he's preselected to run as a candidate in the as-yet-unscheduled federal election, which isn't likely to occur until 2013.

warning: don't post! (5, Funny)

Trepidity (597) | more than 2 years ago | (#39914757)

NOTICE TO SLASH DOT USERS

All posts on this article will be taken to constitute mockery of Tasmanian Liberal candidate for Bass, Andrew Nikolic, and the Slash Dotters in question will be dealt with accordingly.

Re:warning: don't post! (4, Funny)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 2 years ago | (#39914769)

FUCK HIM!

Re:warning: don't post! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915001)

Be more specific. With a Cucumber? Broom Handle? Butternut Squash? Live Squid? What?

Re:warning: don't post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915071)

Your fist.

Re:warning: don't post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915079)

+1 Broom Handle, sideways.

Re:warning: don't post! (4, Funny)

_8553454222834292266 (2576047) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915113)

Chainsaw

Re:warning: don't post! (4, Funny)

BluBrick (1924) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915193)

Perhaps, but gently, m'kay?

Re:warning: don't post! (1)

Yaa 101 (664725) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915449)

Uhm, A Tasmanian Devil would do...

Re:warning: don't post! (1)

ta bu shi da yu (687699) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915473)

I can't believe you just asked that on Slashdot.

Re:warning: don't post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915509)

"3 bangs for your butt" dildo by TSX. (google it.... it's huge)

Re:warning: don't post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39916087)

From the mildly disturbing reviews I'm guessing he'd just enjoy that.

Re:warning: don't post! (1)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915841)

All of the above.

Re:warning: don't post! (1)

sempir (1916194) | more than 2 years ago | (#39916313)

Be more specific. With a Cucumber? Broom Handle? Butternut Squash? Live Squid? What?

Pineapple should do the job.

Re:warning: don't post! (4, Funny)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915083)

FUCK HIM!

Well .. given he's from Tasmania .. that's a job that probably best left to one of his relatives.
 
(For the US readers of /. Tasmania is the "West Virginia" of Australia. For foreigners of other denominations I'm not sure what the equivalent is. However in the spirit of an open discourse I would love to hear suggestions of similar designations from other countries!)

Re:warning: don't post! (3, Funny)

realityimpaired (1668397) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915419)

In Canada, it'd be Quebec. Literally. There are towns in rural Quebec with one surname. Something like 2/3 of Quebec's population is related as 2nd cousin or closer.

Re:warning: don't post! (2)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915679)

sounds like newfoundland,

Re:warning: don't post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39916173)

Northern alberta, pre-oil boom was like that too. Now everyone's mom has single name, like "Cherry", or "Angel" or something.

Re:warning: don't post! (1)

Un quebecois (621765) | more than 2 years ago | (#39916429)

Thank you. We are all a gang of Banjo loving crowd over here. See you later (in the wood). Kiss. kiss. XXX

Re:warning: don't post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39916051)

In Brazil, that would be Ceará.

You can then call him: Cearence, cabeça chata.

Re:warning: don't post! (2)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 2 years ago | (#39916545)

IIRC the British equivalent is Norfolk.

Origin of the term "Normal for Norfolk", look it up ;-)

Re:warning: don't post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915265)

Why? Do you really think he's any better at that than at anything else?

Re:warning: don't post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39916649)

Why make us do all the work? Let him fuck himself!

I'm Andrew Nikolic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915031)

And this is no joke, I will name and shame every single one of you! I'll tell your boss on you, or your mother, or your wife, or your MMO buddies, whoever I can find! This indignity will not stand! I will backtrace you and report you to the cyber police if necessary!

- Andrew

you done goofed! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915211)

you forgot "Consequences will never be the same" and "hnnnnrrrrrr"

You also forgot Poland.

Re:I'm Andrew Nikolic (2)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915707)

Fuck you, I am the cyber police.

Try me.

Typical (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39914777)

That's how Liberals work eh?

Free speech for me, but not for thee.

Re:Typical neoconspam (5, Informative)

caffemacchiavelli (2583717) | more than 2 years ago | (#39914985)

Don't care about the troll, but for anyone who doesn't want to look it up:

"Liberal" in Australia's Liberal Party refers to economic liberalism, not center-left politics. They're pretty firm in right-wing territory, including the obligatory hate against homosexuals and women's rights. Add gun crazies, religious zealots and Birchers and you'd have the GOP*.

*I'll refrain from making the obvious "Remove gun crazies, religious zealots and Birchers from the GOP and you're left with nothing" joke. Well, maybe not.

Re:Typical neoconspam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915787)

Left or right wing has nothing to do with homosexuals or women's rights at all. It refers ONLY to economic politics. Economic liberalism is in fact *the same thing* as right wing politics.

That has never been true anywhere (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39916117)

The terms stem from the french parliament where progressives used to sit on the left side and "conservatives" on the right side. These days there are no universal definitions of what are left and right wing and the terms are even more meaningless if we look at economic politics. For example, both socialists and anarchists are considered left wing, though their views on the desired economic system are like night and day. I think that most widely agreed definitions base "left-wing" on some form of social justice and equality and right-wing on being conservative (both economic and social conservatism). That's not 100% perfect but it's pretty much as good as can be expect for such simple terms.

I'm not aware of any point in history or any location on earth, in which the terms would have referred solely on economic principles and not on the whole parties/social movements/etc...

Re:Typical neoconspam (1)

caffemacchiavelli (2583717) | more than 2 years ago | (#39916557)

As the other AC said, the terms aren't specific. If you want something more meaningful, try the political compass (or grid), which splits the usual left/right range into two lines, one each for social and economic views. A pro-market social conservative would be upper right, while a left-libertarian would score in the lower left. It would also take care of the problem with the word "libertarian" which has been claimed by Ayn Rand's crowd, much to the chagrin of libertarians outside the US.

Re:Typical neoconspam (1)

Taty'sEyes (2373326) | more than 2 years ago | (#39916599)

What's a "Bircher"? Someone who makes clothing from birch trees? Maybe it is someone with a strange sexual fetish involving said trees? Please enlighten me.

Re:Typical (5, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#39914987)

It's a bit of a shock, I know, but those strange and barbarous foreign people are allowed to use words in a way that is different than their use in the US. I'm not sure why Jesus allows it; but it happens.

In this case, the Tasmanian Liberals [liberal.org.au] are more or less similar to those American 'Conservatives' who are still pretending to endorse the 'compassionate conservative' label.

Note key phrases such as "We believe in the importance of the family and that the standards of a free society should support family ideals.", "We further believe government should not compete with an efficient private sector", "We believe that Australia has a constructive role to play in maintaining international peace in alliance with other free nations", and "We further believe that competitive enterprise, the free choice of consumers in the marketplace and individual effort will maximise economic growth and national prosperity.".

You'd need a local observer to say to what degree these reflect genuine classical 'Liberalism', in something resembling the 19th century sense, and to what degree they reflect the rhetorical coating of a group of privatization-crazed crony capitalists with strong ties to local extraction industries and an enthusiasm for foreign policy adventurism; but these are not the 'liberals' in the American sense of the term...

Re:Typical (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915061)

Oh did you think they where actually Liberals. When do Liberals ever do that. Its doublespeak as it always tends to be. These people never grow up.

Re:Typical (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915153)

My suspicion is that the only 19th century thing about them is their brand of social policy(the parts that aren't 12th century, of course); but without a detailed knowledge of Australian politics I wanted to leave open the possibility that they weren't actually lying abhumans who leave a slime trail when they move...

Re:Typical (1)

Fjandr (66656) | more than 2 years ago | (#39916701)

without a detailed knowledge of Australian politics I wanted to leave open the possibility that they weren't actually lying abhumans who leave a slime trail when they move...

That's a remote possibility anywhere. After all, we are talking about politicians (or wannabes, anyway) after all. The ones who aren't lying abhumans leaving a slime trail when they move are extreme outliers anywhere in the world.

Re:Typical (1)

Fjandr (66656) | more than 2 years ago | (#39916723)

*headdesk*
And I apparently repeat myself, apparently. This is why I shouldn't post when I'm not awake.

Get this guy out of politics (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39914839)

As far as I'm concerned, any politician who gets in a hissy fit over political satire simply doesn't have the balls to be a politician, regardless of any actual policies. Move over and make way for someone who can take a bit of criticism.

Re:Get this guy out of politics (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915065)

In his defense, a childish sense of spite, narcissistic fury in defense of self-image(ideally delusional), and spiteful vindictiveness in the face of criticism are very strong qualifications for most positions of authority...

Combine that with running on the 'war hero with strong ties to extraction industries' platform and a dose of good, old-fashioned Values, and we could have a real winner!

Re:Get this guy out of politics (2)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 2 years ago | (#39916587)

In this case it is far more likely a future professional politician in it purely for the kick backs. Once he was in with his chance to get rich quick, he freaked out when he saw threats to his future profit potential.

This kind of over reaction is mostly driven by greed. As another ex-military officer he has become accustomed to basically be able to destroy people who were insubordinate as a politician clearly he is carrying on like a moron and not woken up to who is for whom.

In Australian terms he has really badly set himself up as a target for an enormous amount of mocking and public derision, being overly sensitive is something you really do not do, enemies will pounce both from within the party and from without.

After attempt to get people fired for liking something he disliked and doing so very, very publicly, the chance that he will survive to the next election are pretty much nil.

Re:Get this guy out of politics (-1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915333)

As far as I'm concerned, any politician who gets in a hissy fit over political satire simply doesn't have the balls to be a politician, regardless of any actual policies. Move over and make way for someone who can take a bit of criticism.

I hear ya.....tell that to Obama...I've never seen a guy with such thin skin.

Re:Get this guy out of politics (3, Informative)

nomadic (141991) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915731)

"I hear ya.....tell that to Obama...I've never seen a guy with such thin skin."

Actually, a non-biased observer would consider Obama even-tempered in the face of criticism to an unusual degree. Certainly doesn't have the kind of vitriolic defensiveness his predecessor had.

Re:Get this guy out of politics (2)

Phreakiture (547094) | more than 2 years ago | (#39916095)

I agree. I don't think Obama qualifies even remotely as thin-skinned.

The example that immediately comes to mind would be when, while addressing a joint Congress, Joe Wilson yelled out, "You lie!" The President's response was, without raising his tone, to state simply, "that's not true." That was a truly even-handed response.

No, I am not a fan of Obama, but his competitors scare the shit out of me.

Re:Get this guy out of politics (2)

Brandano (1192819) | more than 2 years ago | (#39916439)

Man, in his place I'd probably have said "Well, it's my job"... Unfortunately most people can't seem to recognize sarcasm.

So? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39914857)

... Some people express their opinions on Facebook, and some other people express their counter opinions on Facebook. Did I miss the part where Facebook profiles were supposed to be anonymous or something?

Who cares?

Re:So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915047)

What you missed is that the person who had a mildly amusing satirical article posted about them, threatened to contact the employers of the people who "liked" that article on Facebook. Something quite clearly evident from the summary.

Also, here's the article:

BASS Liberal candidate Andrew Nikolic has come under fire for claiming he was heroically killed in action during service in Afghanistan. News of Nikolic’s alleged death emerged on Anzac Day, when the retired army soldier was paying tribute to those serving overseas. ``I know first hand the dangers of bringing democracy to Afghanistan,’’ he told a group of ex-servicemen last week, ``having been killed by hostile sniper fire whilst attempting to rescue four young children from Taliban rebels,’’ he claimed. The revelations, which could damage his candidacy for political office, follow rumours that Nikolic had previously claimed to have been ``fatally wounded by enemy machine gun fire in Iraq,’’ as well as ``suffering slow, painful death by torture at the hands of Tamil militants in 2002.’’ But Nikolic’s political opponents say the claims simply aren’t true. ``If he really was killed in Iraq, what was he doing handing out balloons at Agfest this morning?’’ asked sitting Bass MHR Geoff Lyons. ``So it appears he’s simply inflating his credentials in a cheap bid to pick up a few votes,’’ Lyons added. ``Although my army contacts do admit he nearly died at the hands of his own troops during his last tour of Afghanistan.’‘

Cyberstalking ? (5, Interesting)

redelm (54142) | more than 2 years ago | (#39914873)

I don't know what qualifies as cyberstalking under 'stralian law, but this looks like it might qualify. I don't know any law that limits cyberstalking to just one target. Digging out an employer is quite an intrusion, obviously intended to intimidate.

Of course there will be some Parlimentary Privilige, but I believe that applies only to comment on the floor, not elsewhere.

Re:Cyberstalking ? (2)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 2 years ago | (#39914991)

Seeing as how he hasn't even been elected yet, would any privilege even apply?

Re:Cyberstalking ? (3, Funny)

sg_oneill (159032) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915073)

My best suggestion is to tell him on his Facebook page [facebook.com] . He probably doesn't read slashdot!

Re:Cyberstalking ? (2)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915085)

I don't know what qualifies as cyberstalking under 'stralian law, but this looks like it might qualify.

Isn't the whole point of facebook to collect your own collection of friendly cyber-stalkers?

Re:Cyberstalking ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915353)

I don't see how it is an intrusion. These people put their employer on their facebook profile. That's just stupid. But they did it, and made it public (or friended this guy). Either way - no stalking at all. It took almost no work to do.

Re:Cyberstalking ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39916133)

I don't see how it is an intrusion. These people drove to their employer in public. That's just stupid. But they did it. Either way, it took almost no work to follow them physically to work.

FTFY. Real stalking is pretty darn easy, especially if you're not being secretive about it. It's about the menace, the expressed desire to find out information about someone, and the implied desire to use that information to cause them harm. They may have made it easier for this guy, but they didn't invite him to check their places of work on their profiles, nor did facebook send him a list unrequested. The ease of the act doesn't weigh in to the morality of the act.

Re:Cyberstalking ? (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 2 years ago | (#39916301)

I don't know what qualifies as cyberstalking under 'stralian law, but this looks like it might qualify. I don't know any law that limits cyberstalking to just one target. Digging out an employer is quite an intrusion, obviously intended to intimidate.

Perhaps. But if the information was there on the web page, then really, it's the liker's fault for making that information public.

The internet is a harsh mistress - because what separates it from life as we knew it is two things:

1) It never forgets Something you posted 20 years ago can come back today. Deleting the original doesn't guarantee destruction of many copies (see Streisand Effect). Very rarely, if at all, has human society ever experienced something like this.

2) It's global. What was something meant to be among friends is easily spread throughout the world

Combined together, everything one does on the Internet is basically logged, filed, classified, and avialable for lookup. Finding out who "liked" something is fairly easy. And from there, finding out more information on them because they made it public, even easier.

Digging out the employer can be quite easy by just Googling the person if it's part of their public profile. Sure making it even easier to see may be a dick move, but if it's publicly available online, I don't see the problem. Heck, stuff like that often crops up due to th Streisand effect.

HMMMM... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39914885)

Sounds just like liberals and socialists here in the USA! (sorry for the obvious redundancy)

Re:HMMMM... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915009)

Just because Barack Obama asks his followers to "report" other people? And accuses (by name) Mitt Romney donors of being tax cheats and criminals?

Re:HMMMM... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915375)

Yahoo! News comment sections called, they miss you.

Broken link? (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 2 years ago | (#39914889)

At first I thought that we had slashdotted facebook, but thinking about it further it seems that facebook has already taken the page most likely to be offensive and problematic offline.

Either that, or the submitter typed the wrong URL.

I must admit I was perhaps guilty of some morbid curiousity to see what sort of naming and shaming was going on.

Re:Broken link? (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#39914981)

If having a decent sense of humour and an interest in politics (one seems to actually require the other) is "shaming", he can continue to his heart's content. I think most will know who should actually be embarrassed his behaviour.

Re:Broken link? (1)

Beekeepers (2633775) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915669)

Here's a picture, sans the personal information (full names and workplaces): http://i.imgur.com/33ye8.png [imgur.com]

Nothing to see (2)

BeerCat (685972) | more than 2 years ago | (#39914893)

According to his own page (https://www.facebook.com/AndrewNikolic4Bass/posts/327230677345451), "I have removed my response on this issue from Facebook"

Which means that the link up top no longer works.

Re:Nothing to see (1)

tqk (413719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39916965)

According to his own page (Andrew Nikolic [facebook.com] ), "I have removed my response on this issue from Facebook"

That's it?!? No apology for having no sense of humour? No apology for threatening to report FB Likes to employers? No apology for having blown innocuous criticism way out of proportion when he's running for a seat in the legislature? What's he going to do in candidate debates? Bring a gun?

The handlers are using handcuffs... (5, Insightful)

samazon (2601193) | more than 2 years ago | (#39914927)

Having worked on a political campaign.... It's getting more and more difficult to keep the "nastygrams" away from the candidate and his/her family these days. When you're on the trail especially, it's important to make sure that (a) your candidate stays focused and (b) your candidate's family and friends know that lashing out against these attacks makes the candidate look worse. It's hard to do that when everybody's Facebooking away at home with private accounts (and fake accounts... sigh...) - suffice to say, if any politician reacts like that to something so petty on Facebook, what other unreasonable reactions will s/he have?

$0.02 - Nikolic needs a better campaign manager, if s/he is letting him do this kind of crazy shit.

This guy's a liberal? (4, Funny)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#39914937)

I'd hate to see what Tasmania's conservatives are like 8-(

Re:This guy's a liberal? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39914961)

he's a "big L" Liberal.

Confusingly in Australia, the Liberal Party are the conservatives and the Labor Party are the liberals (with the Greens to the left of them).

Of course, our Liberal Party would probably be to the left of the US's congressional democrats on most issues..

--Q

Re:This guy's a liberal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915097)

Confusingly yanks use the term "liberal" in a different way to the rest of the world. Liberalism in the rest of the world means small government, and "hands off".
In Australia the "Liberal Party" is actually conservative. The Labor Party are centre-right. And the Greens manage to be the only major left-wing party. But give them power and they'll get corrupted as well.

Re:This guy's a liberal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915979)

Confusingly yanks use the term "liberal" in a different way to the rest of the world.

It is most commonly used to mean "anybody I don't like," usually preceded by the word "typical." It has lost all useful meaning.

Re:This guy's a liberal? (2, Informative)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 2 years ago | (#39916309)

Confusingly yanks use the term "liberal" in a different way to the rest of the world. Liberalism in the rest of the world means small government, and "hands off". In Australia the "Liberal Party" is actually conservative. The Labor Party are centre-right. And the Greens manage to be the only major left-wing party. But give them power and they'll get corrupted as well.

This is because the US founding fathers espoused Liberal (big L) beliefs, touting small government and personal freedoms. Therefore, US "conservatives" want a conservative reading of the founding documents (Constitution, federalist papers, et al) and a conservative application of laws and government (as little as necessary), while US "liberals" want a liberal reading of founding documents (allowing for things like abuse of the interstate commerce clause) and liberal application of government solutions (as much as the tax base can bear).

The rest of the former British Empire slowly changed from monarchy to democracy, so "conservative" to them means a return to autocracy, whereas "liberal" means personal freedom. It gets confusing discussing politics on the Internet as a result, so remember to use more than titles (R/D/Con/Lib).

Re:This guy's a liberal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39917027)

I would prefer if at least some of them had a liberal reading of the constitution. Sadly, most of them shrug it off as a "just a goddamned piece of paper".

Re:This guy's a liberal? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 2 years ago | (#39916719)

No it doesn't That's a "Ridiculous Liberal Myth" - (ho ho! Did you see what I did there?)

The word liberal, for example, in the UK is generally synonymous with "Guardian Reader", meaning "Someone left of center, cares about those less fortunate than themselves, believes in social justice, wants a government that's soft and cuddly rather than hard and spiky" (OK, that last bit is a little awkward, but the point is... well, "National Health Service? Yay! Death Penalty, wars, and torture? Boo!" sums it up.)

I wouldn't say it's the same thing as the US definition, because people who describe themselves as liberals in the US tend to be way to the right of people who describe themselves as liberals in the UK.

What you're confusing is how liberal is used in context. Liberal economics for instance, is a generally libertarian school of thought. You'll find non-English speaking people using the L word to describe those economics, but they're not talking politics when they do.

This isn't to deny that the term liberal has different definitions in different countries, but to suggest it's "In the US - left of extreme right; in the rest of the world - libertarianism" is, well, just wrong. It's an over-generalization that's most obviously wrong when applied to the birthplace of the English language.

Now, socialism on the other hand - America is the only country I know of that defines socialism as "Anything the government does that I don't like" rather than "A moral philosophy based upon the idea of people working together, for the common good, rather than in competition with one another." The fact that some Americans actually understand both definitions simultaneously and end up saying things like "Open source?! That's SOCIALISM! Do you really want the GOVERNMENT to control all programming?!" is, well, more difficult to understand.

Re:This guy's a liberal? (4, Insightful)

tgd (2822) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915099)

he's a "big L" Liberal.

Confusingly in Australia, the Liberal Party are the conservatives and the Labor Party are the liberals (with the Greens to the left of them).

Of course, our Liberal Party would probably be to the left of the US's congressional democrats on most issues..

--Q

That's the real issue. The US is so conservative, our labels don't sync up well with the rest of the world, especially in the last 25 years. Case in point: Reagan's positions would make him center or left of center in the *Democrat* party these days. The US right has more in common now with the Taliban than what was traditionally considered "conservative" for most of the US' history.

Re:This guy's a liberal? (2)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915225)

The US is so conservative, our labels don't sync up well with the rest of the world, especially in the last 25 years.

I don't think its a case of labels not matching up, but of the GOP (conservatives) being a conglomeration of several different groups. You have fiscal conservatives shoulder to shoulder with social conservatives as well as neocons (if they are a separate group)

Re:This guy's a liberal? (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915251)

Nixon would be a far-left Democrat today but I think Reagan would still be very much in the Republican party...he was a borrow-and-spend pro-war social conservative (although we'd probably just call him a bigot by today's standards, socially he was off today's charts to the right) just like Bush Jr. Fiscally though he would be a centrist, leftish among Republicans today, but I don't think the Democrats would have him.

Re:This guy's a liberal? (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915403)

That's the real issue. The US is so conservative, our labels don't sync up well with the rest of the world, especially in the last 25 years. Case in point: Reagan's positions would make him center or left of center in the *Democrat* party these days. The US right has more in common now with the Taliban than what was traditionally considered "conservative" for most of the US' history.

I enjoy pointing out that a century ago you could destroy a Canadian politician's career by labeling him an "American Sympathizer" in the media.

Re:This guy's a liberal? (2)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 2 years ago | (#39916435)

That's the real issue. The US is so conservative, our labels don't sync up well with the rest of the world, especially in the last 25 years.

I think it is worse than that. I think the divsions between US parties are in a different dimension to the divisions between parties in different countries.

What are some of the big issues dividing the Dems and Repubs: Abortion rights, gay marriage, etc. They are social issues, not economic issues. In other countries these things are not discussed in the context of political affiliation. .

Re:This guy's a liberal? (1)

Mindcontrolled (1388007) | more than 2 years ago | (#39916537)

As European, I find it highly amusing what is decried as "socialism" in the US these days. For Cthulhu's sake, the Democrats are not even a member of the Socialist International and would get laughed out of the room if they'd try to join. Well, ok, they let the German SPD stay, but that is more for historical (or rather hysterical, as in laughter) reasons than for anything else...

Re:This guy's a liberal? (2)

ta bu shi da yu (687699) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915521)

Yeah, the Labor Party are getting less liberal every day.

Looks like we all have an article to 'like'.... (3)

A Commentor (459578) | more than 2 years ago | (#39914983)

Since the satire story is not directly linked.. just go to the "On Facebook" link above and down to May 3rd... It's the only post that day... Lets see if we can get it over 100,000.... It's only 67 right now....

Free speech cuts both ways (3, Insightful)

Hentes (2461350) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915005)

You are free to express your opinions, but there are a few things to keep in mind. If you support an opinion by 'liking' it, you are basically supporting it with your name. It's like signing a petition: you surrender your anonymity in order to give more weight to the statement. But that will also mean that others disagreeing with you might like you less in the future, which is why you should only give your name to something you really agree with. This guy basically just republished the data others made publicly available on Facebook, which he is also free to do.

Re:Free speech cuts both ways (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915095)

Actually, the courts here in the U.S. just declared that "likes" are not a form of free speech. Therefore, they have no real meaning and therefore can't be construed as assigning your name to anything.

Re:Free speech cuts both ways (2)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915145)

You are free to express your opinions

Actually no. There is no such thing as "free speech" in Australia.
 
And "freedom of speech" varies by country around the world: Freedom of speech by country [wikipedia.org]

Re:Free speech cuts both ways (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915255)

Actually no. There is no such thing as "free speech" in Australia.

Of course there is. Free speech is a human right, not something granted by the government. If free speech is abridged, it's a human rights violation. Ergo, there is free speech in Australia, but there may also be human rights violations in Australia.

Re:Free speech cuts both ways (2)

H0p313ss (811249) | more than 2 years ago | (#39916347)

... there may also be human rights violations in Australia.

Who knew?

Who else? (5, Funny)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915119)

"Tasmanian Liberal candidate for Bass, Andrew Nikolic"

So who do the Liberals have running for lead singer, guitar and drums?

Re:Who else? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915993)

"Tasmanian Liberal candidate for Bass, Andrew Nikolic"

So who do the Liberals have running for lead singer, guitar and drums?

I'm more interested in who the Labor party is pitting against him. The Labor candidate for Sturgeon will have his work cut out for him.

mod Kup (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915159)

Whining like a little bitch (3, Insightful)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915171)

Wow, nice way to bust "macho Australian" and "tough vet" stereotypes in one fell swoop. Please let him be a "defence of marriage" type as well, those are always the funniest when they get busted trawling for trade in airport bathrooms.

Re:Whining like a little bitch (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915365)

I wonder if he turns into a mean little bastard with something to prove when he's had a couple too many drinks?

Re:Whining like a little bitch (1)

Fjandr (66656) | more than 2 years ago | (#39916813)

That's assuming he's not one already? :)

Freedom of Speech (2)

msobkow (48369) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915301)

Some politicians think it applies only to people who agree with them.

Re:Freedom of Speech (1)

Skapare (16644) | more than 2 years ago | (#39916703)

What? Think? I didn't know they could do that. Are you sure? Are they self-aware?

Andrew Nikolic quote (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915311)

Straight from the mouth and Facebook page of a Australia Liberal politician.
"it's probably best you relocate your interaction to sites more suited to your ideological perspectives. This is a supporter's site for a Liberal Campaign after all." - Andrew Nikolic

When a Liberal politician openly admits that he has no interest is listening to or even allowing you to continue talking about issues that he disagrees with (and even continually threatens those who disagree with him [earlier in that same comment he threatens to contact the students university]), what hope is there for the future?

Re:Andrew Nikolic quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915601)

Outside the US, i.e. where "social" and "labour" are no terms of abuse, "liberal" was as name a long time ago taken by people wanting more "liberty" for buisinesses, i.e. less rules for people with money, less rights for people without money.

Or to quote Oscar Wilde's The importance of being earnest:

Lady Bracknell: What are your politics?
Jack: Well, I am afraid I really have none. I am a Liberal Unionist.

Lady Bracknell. Oh, they count as Tories. They dine with us.

Candidate for Bass? (1)

wcrowe (94389) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915533)

""Tasmanian Liberal candidate for Bass..."

Interesting. Is there a candidate for Perch? What about Walleye?

Re:Candidate for Bass? (1)

deathlyslow (514135) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915633)

I'm thinking more like Pike or Alligator Gar. Lots of teeth and once they get a grip on something they don't let go. I can't stand politicians.

Re:Candidate for Bass? (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915987)

I was going to be impressed that they elect their bass players, rather than just picking them out of a bar. I wonder if they elect lead singers, too?

Streisand Effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39915751)

You know who that guy ought to get involved with? Barbara Streisand. They both have the same unfailing strategy for dealing with privacy and publicity. Welcome to the Internet, Nick. I'm writing in from Africa, where I'd never heard of this dude until now. Probably not what he had in mind.

Vote Nikolic for Warlord of Tasmania (2)

Jesus_C_of_Nazareth (2629713) | more than 2 years ago | (#39915897)

Nikolic's profile [andrewnikolic.com] on his campaign site seems to almost entirely given over to describing his military experience. A decent military record is certainly a positive trait, yet a bit strange when overplayed to the exclusion of almost everything else. Did he miss his chance for a position in Myanmar, and is now settling for Tasmania?

Fuck you, Andrew Nikolic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39916079)

I bet you are a cock gobbling ass licking retard when you think no one is watching.

Greetings from the USA. Come and see us, we will spit on your stupid face.

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