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TSA's mm-Wave Body Scanner Breaks Diabetic Teen's $10K Insulin Pump

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the terrorists-are-known-to-have-insulin dept.

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OverTheGeicoE writes "Savannah Barry, a Colorado teenager, was returning home from a conference in Salt Lake City. She is a diabetic and wears an insulin pump to control her insulin levels 24/7. She carries documentation of her condition to assist screeners, who usually give her a pat-down search. This time the screeners listened to her story, read her doctor's letter, and forced her to go through a millimeter-wave body scanner anyway. The insulin pump stopped working correctly, and of course, she was subjected to an invasive manual search. 'My life is pretty much in their hands when I go through a body scan with my insulin pump on,' she says. She wants TSA screeners to have more training. Was this a predictable outcome, considering that no one outside TSA has access to millimeter-wave scanners for testing? Would oversight from the FDA or FCC prevent similar incidents from happening in the future?"

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new slogan (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932275)

TSA: Nearly killing innocent people, to keep you safe!

Re:new slogan (5, Interesting)

lgw (121541) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932617)

Wasn't there a Cornel (?) study showing that the TSA caused more American deaths (from people deciding driving was better than molestation) than terrorists over a decade?

Re:new slogan (-1, Troll)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932727)

If the insulin pump is that easy to break, surely some blame lies there as well?

We are talking about something that should be required to withstand basically a lot of punishment, because the owners life depends on it - if subjecting it to a small amount of radiation (and no matter how the TSA likes to get piled on here, their scanners do emit a small amount of radiation in the scheme of things) in the course of a pretty routine activity, then the pumps manufacturer needs to look to resolving that flaw with their equipment.

Re:new slogan (5, Funny)

ganjadude (952775) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932733)

I prefer

TSA: bringing more terror to flight than actual terrorists!

Re:new slogan (1, Funny)

lightknight (213164) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932745)

She was smuggling cocaine inside her insulin.

Re:new slogan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932749)

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

The war on terror is over (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932277)

The White House just said the war on terror is over.

We don't need the TSA screeners any more, send them home and stop the unnecessary abuse of U.S. citizens.
 

Re:The war on terror is over (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932329)

You're forgetting that whenever you give up a right you rarely (if ever) get that right back (re: government).

Re:The war on terror is over (4, Insightful)

lightknight (213164) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932785)

Fair enough, fair enough. If getting back the old ones are so difficult, let's get some new ones, that are just like the old ones, but worded slightly different.

Re:The war on terror is over (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932363)

I'd actually vote for Obama if he did that.

Re:The war on terror is over (5, Informative)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932383)

The war on terror will never be over as long as the TSA is around. Radiation bombardment? Groping children? Sounds like Al-qaida has outsourced overseas.

Re:The war on terror is over (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932553)

Al Quaeda outsourced all right, they just outsourced to the US government.
Now its the US government wageing terror attacks on its citizens.
Whe it comes to surrender, maybe we should update the motto with US instead of France ? ^_^
Nobody surrenders to terrorism as fast as the US.

Re:The war on terror is over (3, Insightful)

arth1 (260657) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932481)

We don't need the TSA screeners any more, send them home and stop the unnecessary abuse of U.S. citizens.

Not only U.S. citizens - they abuse permanent residents and visitors too.

Re:The war on terror is over (2)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932713)

Hah, right! The war on terror is FAR from over. The White House plans to continue terrorizing its own citizenry with a false sense of fear and a need for government as their security blanket, for as long as it's politicaly useful!

Re:The war on terror is over (5, Insightful)

ChrisMounce (1096567) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932729)

The war is over. We lost.

Re:The war on terror is over (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932771)

*sigh* Seriously, give it up already. I mean, you and your "I dream of a future where the TSA doesn't exist" nonsense. Not happening. Not with so many convenient threats to national security springing up shortly after the TSA is threatened in any way, shape, or form:

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/08/world/meast/yemen-qaeda-plot/ [cnn.com]

forced? (5, Interesting)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932283)

Wait a minute... I think the larger issue here is that they forced her through the scanner.

Maybe I'm wrong, but is that not improper? I thought they had to allow manual inspection at your request.

Re:forced? (4, Insightful)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932313)

She is a teenager. I bet they bullied her into "voluntarily" going through the scanner.

Re:forced? (5, Insightful)

Altus (1034) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932447)

Anything to get a mm wave look at some underage breasts.

Re:forced? (5, Informative)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932637)

Ummm, go to any beach in Europe and knock yourself out.

We Americans are diseased in the head in many ways.

Re:forced? (2)

EQ (28372) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932767)

Anything to get a mm wave look at some underage breasts.

Sadly, this may have some truth to it - she looks like a cute enough high school girl in the online picture in the article. TSA and Pedobear, BFF

Re:forced? (4, Insightful)

santax (1541065) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932317)

Of course they force her... she is 16 and looking good!

Re:forced? (4, Interesting)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932435)

+1. Several women have been forced to walk through the scanner multiple times, in order for the men to get a better view of their nudity on the screen.

Re:forced? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932519)

This would explain why my girlfriend always gets forced through the scanner and I don't even though we both opt out. I always assumed it was because the TSA agents couldn't see her too.

Re:forced? (1)

SeNtM (965176) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932343)

No, that is just what the tell people to make it seem like they have a choice. The Gestapo...errr...TSA basically has the right to violate any civil liberty you think you may have.

Re:forced? (4, Interesting)

samazon (2601193) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932377)

If you read the article, I'm not sure "forced" is the right word. What I gathered from, "When someone in a position of authority tells you it is - you think that its right. So, I said, Are you sure I can go through with the pump? It's not going to hurt the pump? And she said no, no you're fine." (direct quote from article) is that this was a case of a TSA employee being an idiot, not a TSA employee getting handsy. Not that it's right (it's not) but she allowed them to put her through the body scanner because she didn't want to argue with the security personnel about whether it would damage her machine. I can see why she wouldn't want to argue, but STILL. Forced makes it sound a little uglier than it is.

Re:forced? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932439)

A better word than forced would be 'coerced.' You NEVER have to get in their unsafe scanners. You can ALWAYS opt out.

Re:forced? (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932507)

Aah, I see.

In my case I always do opt out. I've been asked why a few times - and in every case I've said (and this is partial truth) "I work around radio a lot, so I try to keep any of my exposures to a minimum". The "lie" is that I operate occasionally.

Every single time I've said this, it's been accepted with no fuss.

Re:forced? (4, Insightful)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932597)

Why lie?

"I want to opt out."
"Why?"
"Because."
"Why?"
"......"
"Why?"
"......"

You have the right to remain silent and are not required to give ANY answers to a government employee except your name and ID (varies from state-to-state).

Re:forced? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932705)

And they have the power to detain you until you miss your flight.

Re:forced? (2, Insightful)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932775)

Which is why you should give them the same courtesy you should be giving any other person, even if you hate them.

It's amazing what a little courtesy can do. If money makes the world go 'round, then courtesy is the grease on the axle.

Re:forced? (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932715)

Because I don't feel the need to withhold information, and because saying "a lot" instead of "occasionally" makes me feel more important. It's not a lie, really, it's an exaggeration (that operates on a part that doesn't really matter, the real answer is "because I want to limit my exposure" and the rest is just context that, while is not necessary, I feel is rude to not supply. Hate them all you want, they are people and deserve a measure of courtesy)

They didn't force her. (5, Insightful)

pavon (30274) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932529)

If you read the article the TSA agents advised her that the insulin pump would not be damaged by the scanners, despite a doctors note to the contrary. She took their advice, assuming they knew what they were doing, and chose to go through the scanner rather than requesting a pat-down.

While her actions are understandable, if she had simply requested a pat-down like the doctor instructed her to do rather than asking for a second opinion, this would have been avoided. Likewise if agents weren't so stupid as to disagree with a doctor's order on a matter they knew nothing about, this would have been avoided. Given their position of authority they should be liable for the cost of the pump since their negligence caused it to be destroyed.

Re:forced? OPT OUT (2)

Peter Simpson (112887) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932535)

The two words you have to say are "Opt Out". They are required to hand search you. If they refuse, make a fuss. Get arrested if necessary. Even better, call the press on your cell phone. They'd love a story like this.

Re:forced? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932681)

Someone tell her to call Rand Paul asap -- isn't he the one calling for getting rid of TSA completely?

Stop Travelling (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932301)

This is why I'm no longer travelling by plane anymore. I've chosen to spend my hard earned money at home, rather than pay to be groped.

Sure, there may be the point where I have to fly in an emergency, but if I have the choice, I'll take a train or drive.

Not that it'll make a difference, because it won't. There are too many people who either don't care of don't have a choice (business travel, etc). The TSA and CATSA people are real people trying to do their jobs, and I understand the point of having them there and doing that job, I just don't want to be involved.

Re:Stop Travelling (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932635)

I once took a train from Rochester, NY to Spokane, WA. It took 2 days and 5 hours.

I'll take the 6 hours plus a grope any day.

EMC compliance (5, Informative)

necro81 (917438) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932309)

FYI: medical products, especially ones that have the potential to kill if they malfunction, have to undergo substantial testing to demonstrate their immunity to electromagnetic interference. This includes stuff like TV, radio, and cellular transmissions, microwave ovens and WiFi. There are also special field frequency/strength combinations, such as the typical medical detector or consumer anti-theft device.

However, there aren't regulations regarding immunity to mm-wave and THz scanners, and certainly not at the intensities these devices use. I suspect that, if you were to test a broad range of existing medical products, many of them would fail, because many of them have mm-scale electrical features (especially, circuit board traces) that would be highly susceptible.

Re:EMC compliance (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932433)

TFA says nothing about it being a mm-wave scanner, although it's possible that could be what they use at that airport. Since this is the US, though, it was more likely X-ray backscatter. Can someone verify the type of scanner?

Re:EMC compliance (3, Informative)

_LORAX_ (4790) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932621)

According to wikipedia ( I know I know ) Salt Lake City uses MM wave and not backscatter. Either way they microwaved and damaged a piece of medical equipment after assuring the user that it was perfectly save for that equipment. Unlike an implanted medical device the insulin pump would be susceptible to MM scans.

Re:EMC compliance (4, Informative)

DanTheStone (1212500) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932685)

I did a little searching, and decided not to moderate on this article. Here's a news article saying they were adding millimeter-wave scanners at Salt Lake City, so the summary/title is correct. http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/50590050-79/tsa-scanner-airport-body.html.csp [sltrib.com]

Re:EMC compliance (4, Informative)

Cassini2 (956052) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932623)

From an electrical point of view, many medical devices are simply to sensitive to be made immune to induced interference. The noise will have to affect them some how. It is just a matter of how big the noise source is (magnitude), the frequency of the noise source (Hz), and what geometry it sits relative to the medical device (coupling.)

Obviously, the TSA has found a big enough noise source.

In particular, the difficulty with mm-wave interference is that it can induce noise directly onto the geometries of integrated circuits and thin-film devices. The only way to guard against the problem would be to heavily shield the chips in question. Maybe it is time for medical devices to start using radiation-hardened integrated circuits. Radiation hardened circuits are designed to withstand short and intense blasts of EMI, including high-frequency EMI sources.

Re:EMC compliance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932633)

The TSA should be required to compensate the victim in this circumstance, because they subjected the victim to something they haven't even tested to see if it works with medical devices. They shouldn't be immune to civil law.

Re:EMC compliance (1)

redbeardcanada (1052028) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932759)

The article seems to be /.'d, so I did not read, but do we know for sure that the THz scan caused the failure? This could be a coincidence (this is not a 'do cigarettes really cause cancer' question, this is a was an actual root cause analysis performed?).

THz radiation has a very low penetration depth, and I assume that most medical devices would be relatively immune to this due to their packaging even if EMC regulations don't require testing for it...

PS this is also not a defence of your friendly, welcoming TSA!

Re:EMC compliance (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932781)

I did RF compliance and sensor design for two insulin pumps. An insulin pump is considered a Class 2 medical device, which means that it is an acceptable to stop delivering insulin and alert the user in case of a failure. The user would then rely on manual delivery until the fault cleared.

A Class 3 would be required to continue delivering therapy (and announce the error) in a single fault situation. This is reserved for devices where a manual fail-over isn't a safe option.

Is it possible to just leave? (2)

tirerim (1108567) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932311)

Once you enter the security line, is it possible to just leave and not get on your flight if they refuse to do a manual search? Or are you at their complete mercy? I've never had a problem getting one with my own pump, but this story makes me nervous.

In any case, I really hope she sues them and wins.

P.S. This is probably a good time to mention Rand Paul's End the TSA petition [chooseliberty.org] and bill. I'm not usually a big fan of him, but this is one thing I can get behind.

I would recommend not signing that (5, Informative)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932373)

I don't know if it is a real petition or not, but what I do know is it is a real SPAM list. Ever since signing it, they've been bombarding me with shit asking for money and their opt out doesn't seem to want to opt out.

I am more than a little annoyed.

Re:I would recommend not signing that (4, Informative)

Formorian (1111751) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932551)

Wish I had points to mod you up more. I've been bombarded with Ron Paul/Dudley Brown/etc after signing that crap. So annoying.

Re:Is it possible to just leave? (1)

firex726 (1188453) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932409)

You can, but then they may very well arrest you for acting suspicious; and they will still hold you for hours of questioning.

Re:Is it possible to just leave? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932487)

Point of interest: they can not arrest you for acting suspicious. Arrest implies there's some kind of due process.

But, yeah, they'll totally hold you for however long they want.

Re:Is it possible to just leave? (1)

firex726 (1188453) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932587)

OK fine; you're not under arrest, you're just being held against your will till they are satisfied.

Re:Is it possible to just leave? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932451)

Yes, you can leave, but you may be subject to about 10k in fines [villagevoice.com] .

Re:Is it possible to just leave? (1)

Altus (1034) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932539)

Of course they aren't supposed to refuse a manual search if you request one and you are supposed to be free to leave, but clearly, policy or not, sometimes things don't go that way. Heck if you make a big deal about not going through the scanner (rightly) and then go to leave the could hold you for acting suspicious.

Seems like the way to go would be to remove the pump for security and put it in your cary on (which is only subjected to the traditional X-ray scanner).

Certainly a pain in the ass and it shouldn't be necessary but its probably not worth the risk. Of course if it was a piece of equipment that you can't go without long enough to go through security that would be more of a problem.

Re:Is it possible to just leave? (1)

mianne (965568) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932651)

I second Sycraft's concern. I signed the petition, and have been getting emails thanking me for my support of ending the Federal Reserve and other loony ideas and a message even had the gall to identify me as a "conservative." (I don't identify as a "liberal" either, but I was taken aback by that)

I opted out, and, so far, have received one more mailing since, but it seems like the petition is more of a backdoor to try and promote Rand Paul and solicit campaign contributions than an actual petition drive against the TSA.

Re:Is it possible to just leave? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932683)

Once you enter the security line, is it possible to just leave and not get on your flight if they refuse to do a manual search? Or are you at their complete mercy? I've never had a problem getting one with my own pump, but this story makes me nervous.

Officially, attempting to leave the line once "you have begun the screening process" is a civil violation subject to a fine of up to $11,000.

Seriously. TSA can do what they want and threaten you with a fine for not submitting to their authoritah. (They often threaten arrest, which IIRC making such a threat is sometimes a crime of its own.)

RTFM (3, Informative)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932321)

I'm rather surprised that the TSA doesn't (appear) to have a manual to deal with known issues like insulin pumps, joint prostheses, etc. I wouldn't expect rank and file workers to know the answer to everything but there should be a way to look stuff up.

Being rude, however, is absolutely never appropriate. Even if you think the person is the next 'medical device bomber' being professional and polite should always be required.

Re:RTFM (1)

firex726 (1188453) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932423)

That's the ting, since they are not common and no one really has a scanner like the ones they use to test with, no one could adequately say how the pump would have been affected.

Re:RTFM (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932499)

Being rude, however, is absolutely never appropriate. Even if you think the person is the next 'medical device bomber' being professional and polite should always be required.

The sole purpose of the TSA is to intimidate the general population. I'm not seeing "being polite" as helping with that mission.

Re:RTFM (1)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932531)

I'm rather surprised that the TSA doesn't (appear) to have a manual to deal with known issues like insulin pumps, joint prostheses, etc. I wouldn't expect rank and file workers to know the answer to everything but there should be a way to look stuff up.

If they could read a manual or act politely, they would probably have a better job like working at Starbucks.

Re:RTFM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932599)

1. The TSA *does* have a screening checkpoint operating procedure that includes handling medical devices. The SOP is Sensitive But Unclassifed / Sensitive Security Information, and we the public are not allowed to see it to make sure they are following their own procedures.

2. TSA has repeatedly gone on campaigns aggressively smashing rude behavior -- by passengers. They have always claimed rudeness by screeners are "isolated incidents" despite all evidence that the TSA culture promotes rudeness by screeners. :(

And the CAPTCHA is "dumber". How appropriate.

pacemakers ?? (1)

VEGETA_GT (255721) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932335)

This can be considered scary if devices you can not remove could be affected. IE pacemakers, screw with that and you could kill the person. But then take items like a advanced artificial arm with loads of electronics getting fried by these scanners. These types of devices are expensive and usually customized to the person. So yes better training needed and the pat down should be some what realistic for someone who just cant do through the device.

Re:pacemakers ?? (2)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932605)

Yes, but with the revelation that there are more advanced bombs being created, how do we know that your "pacemaker" isn't just a surgically implanted bomb?

I just got a vision of seventeenth century witch trials, where a woman was tied up and weighted down with a stone, then thrown in the river. If she floated, she was a witch and burned. If she sank, she was not a witch (but likely drowned by the time she was fished out).

Now we'll just send you through the scanner, and if you die, it was a real medical device. If you don't, it's a bomb, and you'll be carted off. Either way, dangerous items are prevented from being on planes!

Re:pacemakers ?? (1)

jsepeta (412566) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932783)

screwing with your insulin pump could also kill you.

Not to belittle the incident... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932347)

It also shows that the manufacturer of the device may need to rethink it's strategy for redundancy, survivability and make sure the next design would make it through this type of condition. Although they (the manufacturer) may not have direct access to the screening tech, I'm sure they could afford a plane ticket to go through security with this type of device and test it.

Re:Not to belittle the incident... (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932653)

Yeah, that will go over well at gate security.

Re:Not to belittle the incident... (1)

_LORAX_ (4790) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932695)

MM wave .. aka, microwave. They are microwaving you to get their nudie pic. I mean, at least it's not ionizing radiation like the backscatter, but no, you don't want to put electronics through it.

The most amazing part of the story: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932349)

"Savannah already has a new insulin pump. A company that heard her story quickly got it to her when she got back to Colorado."

Despite the TSA, it appears there's still hope for humanity.

Re:The most amazing part of the story: (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932475)

A friends daughter has an Insulin pump. It has a lifetime warranty. She's at least a little nuts, drinks soda to piss off her parents, breaks the pump on purpose.

Lawsuits (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932351)

...not always frivolous.

Sue the FUCK out of the TSA.

Re:Lawsuits (1)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932557)

Looks like 'antedate' manslaughter to me...

avoid them thar rays! (1)

Moblaster (521614) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932357)

She shouldn't have been subjected to it those rays anyway. If she asks for a pat down that's what she should have gotten. Although at 16 she should have enough gumption to stand up to a TSA agent anyway, especially with a doctor's note -- who's ALSO an authority figure.

Besides the situation-specific danger, any rays strong enough to scan are enough to increase cancer risk. The fact they direct enough energy to disrupt an electromechanical device should be proof of their inherent danger anyway. It's my understanding the quantum energy of that radiation is related to the frequency-- and terahertz radition is pretty high up there on the reactivity scale.

Re:avoid them thar rays! (3, Insightful)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932585)

Electrical devices like that are full of amplifiers and things like field-effect transistors - things that take small changes in, and output much (relatively) larger ones.

It doesn't take much interference at all to cause problems, and this is made even worse that circuit traces etc can be resonant (where you most certainly will not) with the incoming interference, making things worse.

Re:avoid them thar rays! (1)

rb12345 (1170423) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932773)

It's my understanding the quantum energy of that radiation is related to the frequency-- and terahertz radition is pretty high up there on the reactivity scale.

In terms of energy per photon, teraherz radiation (with wavelength ~300um - microwave to far-infrared?) is far less energetic than visible light. The issue here is power at this specific freqency. The wiring of the integrated circuits in the pump is probably around the same as the radiation wavelength, so you have a reasonably well-tuned antenna receiving lots of power...

Aww would ya look at that.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932403)

American citizens think their discontent matters.

One more reason... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932407)

... to just dump them thar thugs and kill off the TSA. Or the other way around if you must, I don't care.

Re:One more reason... (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932493)

I'd be all for killing the thugs too.

Scariest phrase ever. (2)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932455)

We're from the government and we're here to keep you safe!

Everytime.. (5, Insightful)

greywire (78262) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932457)

Every time there's a story about the TSA making life unpleasant for Americans, a terrorist gets his wings..

Congratulations, the terrorists have won.

Re:Everytime.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932663)

Every time there's a story about the TSA making life unpleasant for Americans, a terrorist gets his virgins..

Congratulations, the terrorists have won.

FTFY

TSA agents think they're God's (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932459)

It has been shown time and time again that the TSA is useless. The biggest problem by far though is that the the people that are hired as TSA agents think they can do whatever they want to whoever they want without repercussion. My step mother has had both of her knee's replaced, and caries a card explaining that and yet she still gets treated like crap because the TSA agents think they're gods and can do whatever they want. They ignore her when she tried to show them the card that says they have to wand her instead of scan her, and then when they scan her, then they end of having to wand her anyway cause the the big pieces of metal in her knee's, thereby waisting her valuable time, mind you she travels at least 2/3 of the year for work, so she has to deal with this a lot. If they had better training and would show common sense and a little compassion, I think most people wouldn't really have a problem with the TSA.

forensic analysis (5, Interesting)

hoxford (94613) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932461)

I want to see the results of a forensic analysis of the unit to find out why it failed. if the scanner is putting out enough energy to permanently damage the circuits it's a strong argument against the safety of these things.

Re:forensic analysis (2)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932607)

If it was a millimeter scanner, most likely there was resonance with circuit trace(s). A resonance in the right spot (input to an opamp for example) and you could say further operation is undefined.

Spinal cord stimulator (1)

Aeros (668253) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932465)

I have a spinal cord stimulator embedded in me and since then have only flown twice. Both times I has told to go through the scanning machine even though I have a medical can that says NOT to do that. I just turn the thing off and luckily it didn't get screwed up. I hate going through that whole mess of flying and am so happy I don't have to travel for work anymore. I can't stand the TSA. They are SERIOUSLY clueless!

Re:Spinal cord stimulator (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932649)

You were "told?"? You just say "I want to opt out."

They may ask why. Just tell them. They can't refuse because they don't think it's a good reason.

The Terrorists win again! (2)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932485)

I hope her parents sue the TSA for attempted homicide and win enough to bankrupt the US.

But but but (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932497)

millimeter waves are non-ionizing! How could they affect this system!?

How the hell... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932503)

does TSA employes bring themselves to go to work every day?
Everyone hates them, not just nutjobs.

Is she stupid as well? (-1, Troll)

Agent0013 (828350) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932505)

From reading the article (I know, what's wrong with me), it seems like she is a brainless sheep that does whatever someone tells her to. I don't go through the scanners and I don't even have an expensive medical device that doctors told me not to send though the scanners. Why would she listen to the rape-monkeys rather than her doctor is beyond me. The world would be better off if the TSA were disbanded and every employee beheaded. Of course the human race would be better off if she had died right on the spot also, we don't need more idiotic followers like her.

Re:Is she stupid as well? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932611)

Maybe she's not stupid, just scared. Maybe she recently played Half Life 2. Those TSA goons can really fuck up your life if you piss them off...why take the chance? I always politely opt out and so far the TSA agents have been courteous but if I rolled one on a power trip, I'd probably cave rather than risk missing my flight or seeing the inside of a cell for a day or two before being released without charge.

Re:Is she stupid as well? (5, Insightful)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932747)

Because she's 16 and away from home, and probably just wants to get back. Quit expecting everyone to have a vigilate chip on their shoulder.

You know, as adults, we should have already fixed this god damned problem with our government - not expect our children to have to rise up against the man for something as simple and common place as a plane flight.

Re:Is she stupid as well? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932755)

Chill out, there. She's just a 16 year old girl, not an internet tough guy like you.

Oh, America (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932513)

America, you used to be like a big brother that we looked up to. Now you are more like the really weird uncle that the family never acknowledges or talks about. What happened?

Let me tell you what happened. American people are getting exactly what they want. Either you voted for this mess or, by your inaction, you let it happen. And by remaining mute and not doing anything about it, you are allowing it to continue. You are allowing it to grow and fester.

You have to do something if you are tired of the whole "give up your privacy or you are a terrorist" crap. You have to stand up if you don't want to keep fighting wars half way around the world. You must take action if you are sick about bailouts, corporate greed, and out-of-control lobbying.

Or you could just stuff another Big Mac in your mouth and watch some more American Idol. Sigh.

Re:Oh, America (1)

Aeros (668253) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932591)

Says the AC..go figure!

Re:Oh, America (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932779)

America is the land of the obese and couch potatoes.
What exactly did you expect ? The heroes that you see on american tv series ? That's a lie, a big fucking lie.
Americans are afraid of their own shadow, so now they get the SS treatment.

Insulin pumps can be taken off. (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932577)

I feel like I must be missing something here.
I believe insulin pumps are worn externally and not surgically inserted and it should be a very small matter to take one off to get through a screening or even for the entire flight.

Jessie Ventura (4, Interesting)

MrShaggy (683273) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932593)

He has had hip replacement surgery. "Former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura is suing the TSA and Homeland Security for humiliating and ‘offensive’ pat-down procedures he’s been subjected to during airport security checks that included ‘warrantless, non-suspicion-based offensive touching, gripping and rubbing of the genital and other sensitive areas of his body.’ "

He is suing them in court.

The logic behind it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932601)

Anyone who asks for a manual search rather than a scan must be hiding something
Therefore they must be a terrorist.
They give medical reasons because they are an evil, lying terrorist.
As they are evil terrorists with no real medical condition, they must be scanned
If their equipment fails, its their fault for avoiding the scanner

obviously

TSA can't find people with common sense? (2)

Lashat (1041424) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932603)

You read the paperwork. Look at the device. Screen the passenger without the scanner. Document the incident with your peers and/or manager.

Move on and save the agency $10k because you are allowed to act like a human being with common sense.

Tourimse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39932639)

Guess twice why I don't even CONSIDER going to the US.

Rand Paul has it right (2)

stevegee58 (1179505) | more than 2 years ago | (#39932761)

Disband the TSA
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