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Google Patents Using iPhones To Kill 'Free Bird'

Unknown Lamer posted about 2 years ago | from the jukebox-pranks-rebuffed dept.

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theodp writes "At Chicago's Billy Goat Tavern, construction workers found physical threats an effective way to discourage smart-ass Whitney Young High School students from playing annoying jukebox songs over and over again. But with Google's newly-patented technology for the Collaborative Rejection of Media for Physical Establishments, you no longer need to resort to violence to prevent Elton John Songs from being played on jukeboxes in bars. Its invention, boasts Google, 'enables customers of an establishment to collaboratively reject a media file that is currently playing and/or pending to be played within that establishment by entering data into a personal wireless portable computing device on their person, for example a cellular telephone.' But don't get your hopes up too high, kids. Much like Google's dual-tier stock plan, the patent calls for 'customer status levels including a premium status and a standard status,' so a premium customer will be able to veto attempts by lowly standard customers to kill his requests to play MC Hammer's 'Can't Touch This'. The patent comes from a quirky Outland Research IP portfolio acquired by Google; its inventor is Louis B. Rosenberg, a Stanford PhD and professional film maker."

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Speaking as a hipster (5, Funny)

crazyjj (2598719) | about 2 years ago | (#39942833)

I would be happy about the premium service, to keep you people from cancelling my music. But, then again, there is no way that any jukebox in any of *your* bars is going to have the kind of music on it that I'm into anyway. And no bar that would let you people in is going to serve the kind of food I eat, or the drinks that I'm into these days. I would tell you about it, but you wouldn't get it. You see, I don't even *own* a TV. And everything you like is just a ripoff of the *real* stuff that only a few people like me know about. Of course, you don't get it. But I wouldn't expect people like you to understand. You should probably stick with your radio music. Doubt you could handle the real stuff anyway.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm taking my custom painted iPad to a club that you haven't heard of, in a part of town that you've probably never been too, to listen to music you wouldn't understand, with people you would never meet. I would say goodbye, but no one says that anymore unless they're being ironic--or do they?

Re:Speaking as a hipster (-1, Troll)

GoogleWatch (2635599) | about 2 years ago | (#39942911)

I would be happy about the premium service, to keep you people from cancelling my music.

And thanks to Google's greed, we can't have this. They are the worst company on planet.

Re:Speaking as a hipster (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943251)

And thanks to Google's greed, we can't have this. They are the worst company on planet.

Says you. Apparently that's all you can say, although in fairness you've only just created this shill account of yours and three comments does not a trend make.

Re:Speaking as a hipster (5, Informative)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about 2 years ago | (#39943265)

Because they bought a whole slew of patents in a portfolio, and this happened to be included?

Despite the headline, it seems Google has nothing to do with the invention, or the patenting. They just hold the IP now, and have done a whopping total of nothing with it.

Re:Google vs iPhone (4, Insightful)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | about 2 years ago | (#39943389)

Sigh, another page hit title.

Google holds a patent to use a __________ branded mobile phone to squash jukebox songs. Last I knew, Google is well known for a certain mobile phone OS.

But no, the title went for "iPhone".

So who paid for that headline?

Folks, THAT is the new business model - "pay for custom slanted news!"

Re:Speaking as a hipster (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#39943311)

Thanks for the update, MS Shill!

Re:Speaking as a hipster (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943409)

Pull the cock out of your ass, Linux shill!

Re:Speaking as a hipster (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943901)

As an Apple shill, the cock will remain in my ass, thankyouverymuch.

Re:Speaking as a hipster (3, Funny)

jovius (974690) | about 2 years ago | (#39943047)

Is premium enough? I thought premium+ superseded it ages ago and that the current top status is hyper-double-elite.

Re:Speaking as a hipster (1)

camperdave (969942) | about 2 years ago | (#39943459)

Is premium enough? I thought premium+ superseded it ages ago and that the current top status is hyper-double-elite.

No. There's a new level [youtube.com] now.

Re:Speaking as a hipster (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943063)

How ironic is it for a "hipster" to have such a high UID?

Re:Speaking as a hipster (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943179)

He had a high UID before it was cool.

Re:Speaking as a hipster (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943201)

Notice that he does, however, subscribe.

Re:Speaking as a hipster (1, Funny)

camperdave (969942) | about 2 years ago | (#39943563)

Well, it could be that by the time he fired up his XT and dug out his acoustic modem, all the low UIDs were taken, or the parent meant the current definition of "hipster": men and women typically in their 20's and 30's that value independent thinking, counter-culture, progressive politics, an appreciation of art and indie-rock, creativity, intelligence, and witty banter who hang out at Starbucks drinking lattes.

Re:Speaking as a hipster (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943715)

I thought the current definition of "hipster" was men and women typically in their 20's and 30's that value group thinking, mass-marketed culture, center-right politics, an appreciation of machine art and autotuned rock, tattoos, joblessness, and witless tv-show banter who hang out at Starbucks drinking lattes.

Re:Speaking as a hipster (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943925)

No. See there's your problem. You've gotten the hipster and neo-hipster cultures mixed up. The neo-hipsters like the trappings of the hipsters, but don't want to go through all the effort that actually *being* a hipster entails.

It's kind of like the difference between professional athletes and sports-fans. On the surface, they look very similar down to the names and numbers on their official jerseys. Looking a little deeper, you tend to find that the latter group has very little in common with the former. They're comparatively poor, and more likely to be arrested, tried and convicted when caught committing crimes than those they mimic, who, instead, get arrested, put on the news, and released without charges.

Another good example is the awful mess of neo-conservatives being confused for *actual* conservatives. They have so few things in common that if they'd chosen any other name, the Republican party would have barred the gates and said, "Woah! We don't want *you* nut jobs! Go somewhere else! Make your own party, just leave us alone!" Instead, they snuck through that filter, and now the GOP is stuck with a severe infestation.

Re:Speaking as a hipster (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943115)

Sorry, but I don''t understand why anyone would even use the service : if you want to listen to what you like, an Ipod will do just fine, and it won't disturb anyone.

Frankly, I don't know many places that have a jukebox : usually the music played is just what the owner wants, whether you like it or not.

Re:Speaking as a hipster (1)

ddd0004 (1984672) | about 2 years ago | (#39943225)

That's not the way most human beings and especially hipster work. They are never content to not disturb anyone. If no one is noticing that you are living a "kick ass" life, is it really that "kick ass."

Re:Speaking as a hipster (3, Funny)

CannonballHead (842625) | about 2 years ago | (#39943137)

I would reply with a great comment, but I don't think you'd get it. Besides, I was replying to your comment before it was highly rated.*

.

* ok, so that's not true.

Re:Speaking as a hipster (0)

SecurityGuy (217807) | about 2 years ago | (#39943141)

...or the drinks that I'm into these days.

Oh, right, that's the cheap beer that people with no taste drank when I was a kid in the poor part of town, right? You can have it. :-)

Re:Speaking as a hipster (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943207)

I don't watch television. I don't even *own* a television. Notice how I said "television" and not "TV." TV is a nickname, and nicknames are for friends, and television is no friend of mine.

Re:Speaking as a hipster (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943287)

I don't watch television. I don't even *own* a television. Notice how I said "television" and not "TV." TV is a nickname, and nicknames are for friends, and television is no friend of mine.

This AC wins, he was forgetting the difference between nickname and abbreviation before forgetting the difference between nickname and abbreviation was cool.

Google, the new patent abusing company (-1, Troll)

GoogleWatch (2635599) | about 2 years ago | (#39942841)

Google is our new patent abusing company. I am actually that they have finally came out and just do it themselves. Previously they only did this via proxy companies.

However, this just clearly shows change in their management, style and behavior. Not only do they abuse everyones privacy, but they also try to shutdown competitors with obvious patents. But hey, feel free to support this abusive company if you feel so!

Re:Google, the new patent abusing company (1)

Githaron (2462596) | about 2 years ago | (#39943101)

They might but I hope Google doesn't actually plan to enforce trivial patents. The system is so messed up that even if a company doesn't want to patent stupid stuff, they have to just to avoid getting sued later or at the very least have something to throw back when they do get sued over stupid stuff.

Re:Google, the new patent abusing company (3, Informative)

poetmatt (793785) | about 2 years ago | (#39943155)

Why do people keep parroting this shit?

Google has said they will never sue over patents and they haven't. It's more so they can protect themselves later and also highlights a complete lack of patent office quality.

Re:Google, the new patent abusing company (1)

Githaron (2462596) | about 2 years ago | (#39943507)

The real problem is that they can if the want to. The patent office needs a hard kick to the butt.

Re:Google, the new patent abusing company (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#39943969)

Congress needs to stop taking money away from the patent office.

That's the underlying issue.

Re:Google, the new patent abusing company (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39944031)

Interestingly, the ID of the parent poster, "GoogleWatch" (2635599), appears to have been created just for this article.

A Different Interpretation of the Tiers (4, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | about 2 years ago | (#39942881)

But don't get your hopes up too high, kids. Much like Google's dual-tier stock plan, the patent calls for 'customer status levels including a premium status and a standard status,' so a premium customer will be able to veto attempts by lowly standard customers to kill his requests to play MC Hammer's 'Can't Touch This'.

I think there's some confusion here. I read that part of the patent as saying that if you, the owner of this jukebox system, have a patron at your place of playing music that is a regular then you can get his/her ID and promote them above random walk-ins. I used to bartend for two years in college. There was this lonely guy that came in everyday of the week. My first day there, the owner pointed at him and said, "This is Joe, you help Joe before any other customers, you charge Joe $1.25 for each of his beers no matter what size or kind, tap or bottle." Apparently for 30 some years that guy came in, drank five beers through the course of the entire evening and left. People like that, I think you'd let them have your way with your jukebox and maybe you, the owner would be above everyone else in case things got out of hand. Maybe google thinks bars will run promotions where the first birthday person in the door with a large party gets veto control over the jukebox? Who knows?

At Chicago's Billy Goat Tavern, construction workers found physical threats an effective way to discourage smart-ass Whitney Young High School students from playing annoying jukebox songs over and over again.

What the hell? Somebody want to fill me in? I just spent ten minutes googling for some news item about this and came up empty handed ...

Re:A Different Interpretation of the Tiers (-1, Troll)

GoogleWatch (2635599) | about 2 years ago | (#39942973)

There was this lonely guy that came in everyday of the week. My first day there, the owner pointed at him and said, "This is Joe, you help Joe before any other customers, you charge Joe $1.25 for each of his beers no matter what size or kind, tap or bottle." Apparently for 30 some years that guy came in, drank five beers through the course of the entire evening and left. People like that, I think you'd let them have your way with your jukebox and maybe you, the owner would be above everyone else in case things got out of hand.

Actually, this is completely opposite of what Google wants to do. They charge you more if you use them more. Google doesn't care about long term customers - they care about quick and easy money.

Being a good customer means nothing at all to shithead Google.

Re:A Different Interpretation of the Tiers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943625)

You're not even trying anymore. Just make a new account called "anti-GoogleTroll" and be done with it.

Re:A Different Interpretation of the Tiers (4, Insightful)

rhsanborn (773855) | about 2 years ago | (#39942995)

One thing that needs to be considered is reimbursement. Ostensibly, someone paid to have that song played. If it gets shut down because Joe Premium is a country fan, then you really ought to reimburse the guy who paid to play Black Sabbath.

Re:A Different Interpretation of the Tiers (1)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#39943079)

Could simply lock out the selection button for 24 hours. That eliminates all refund issues because for the next 24 hours no one can select that song. This does open the considerable risk of having to hear an annoying song exactly once every 24 hours.

Re:A Different Interpretation of the Tiers (2)

damien_kane (519267) | about 2 years ago | (#39943209)

Most commercial bar-jukeboxes today have a remote control behind the bar
Waitstaff are able to de-prioritize a song that the regulars don't like, if some random joe walked in off the street and played something not to their liking

Some bars don't really care; but if you're the type of bar where your 'regulars' are 95% of your patrons, you cater to them and let some things slide (like backbones)

Re:A Different Interpretation of the Tiers (2)

rhsanborn (773855) | about 2 years ago | (#39943345)

Which is why I thought of it. I've had it happen to me, and insisted on a refund. The bar is making money on songs being played on the jukebox. I paid to have whatever freaking song I chose played, and if you decide it's not what you want to listen to, give me my money back. The song was Kodachrome, seriously, who doesn't like Kodachrome?

Re:A Different Interpretation of the Tiers (2)

newcastlejon (1483695) | about 2 years ago | (#39943423)

On every jukebox I've seen there's been a notice saying that not all selections will be played. When you think about it, there might not be enough time on a given night to play all the songs that are requested. Not being reimbursed when your song isn't played is not new, but this happening because someone paid more probably is.

Re:A Different Interpretation of the Tiers (1)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | about 2 years ago | (#39943301)

What the hell? Somebody want to fill me in? I just spent ten minutes googling for some news item about this and came up empty handed ...

Rumor has it they told the students "Cheeps. no fries" and "Cheeboyger" whenever they got near the juke box.

Re:A Different Interpretation of the Tiers (1)

TrailerTrash (91309) | about 2 years ago | (#39943697)

The Billy Goat (great place, highly recommended) is only a couple of blocks from this school.

I'll assume, in the absence of any actual facts, the OP goes to that high school and had an unpleasant encounter with the normal clientele of that fine establishment.

If you try to play Drake in the Billy Goat:

You're gonna have a bad time.

Voting (1)

Dan East (318230) | about 2 years ago | (#39942953)

Um, it's called voting. It's ridiculous what absurdly obvious and trivial things can be patented. Well I'll one up them and patent the same thing, but for regulating the temperature of the room.

Re:Voting (1)

Mindcontrolled (1388007) | about 2 years ago | (#39943393)

It is is so obvious, why aren't there open source implementations all over the place?

Re:Voting (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#39943679)

it is obvious, shouldn't be patentable, it's an automated human process. there's systems like it. the hard thing is to get the bar to use the jukebox.

I work for a company that has almost this thing implemented(we have a working solution for bars etc, just not exactly like this)... currently we don't believe in preferring different customers from others(and again, it's not the hard thing to do it, it's to get customers to sign up for such tiers which is hard, this adds complexity to the process of just getting your song played in a random bar that happens to have the thing), you can just setup the system so that you can't listen to the same thing over and over again(and we instruct that a bar that doesn't want mc hammer played never to add the song to the playlist in the first place).

Re:Voting (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#39944043)

You don't[patent idea, you patent implementation of that idea.

Why can't you people understand that.

I can ALSO patent a system for voting for songs, as long as the technical implementation is different.

Needing wing to fly is obvious, but that doesn't mean I can't patent different wing technologies.

Re:Voting (1)

timeOday (582209) | about 2 years ago | (#39944025)

It's pretty useless if it requires effort such as casting a vote. Perhaps it models your preferences based on what you listen to the most, among the songs on your phone or streamed from the web etc. And like Pandora, it hopefully would not limit you to those specific songs, but would use that information to infer what other songs you might like.

Please Just Stop! (3, Insightful)

Githaron (2462596) | about 2 years ago | (#39942999)

The patent office needs to stop awarding idiotic patents. Anything plus a computer/mobile should not equal a patent.

Re:Please Just Stop! (0)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#39944069)

Yes, Yes it should. Why? because it's a different way to implement a solution. The SOLUTION is not patented; how to get to that solution is.
.

Music, boooorrring (4, Interesting)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#39943001)

Music is by far the most boring application of this "media banishment system", especially at an exercise club or waiting room.

I would love to see this applied to TV News and the financial news shills and the weather channel. Oh god not another "it bleeds it leads" hit skip. Not another kitten in tree saved by firefighters. The commentator on CNBC right now is a real estate shill .... flushing sound .... Onsight live broadcast breathlessly reporting "its raining" zapped.

The main problem is there's a million recorded songs out there, the bar flies cannot possibly block them all even if they were sober and cooperated. But unleash this on the financial news channels and a small team could literally wipe the slate clean of all stories leaving a blank screen or test pattern. Its very likely that if you zap all the video news releases, and network entertainment news self promotions, and celebrity news, and pointless human interest stories, there is nothing left in a typical newscast.

Re:Music, boooorrring (3, Insightful)

Mindcontrolled (1388007) | about 2 years ago | (#39943427)

I always suggested that TV channel execs get outfitted with an electroshock machine that activates when at least a given number of people press the "FUCK THAT SHIT"-button on their remote.

Re:Music, boooorrring (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#39943477)

You're looking for a nice .410 shotgun with #8 skeet shot.

(Not appropriate for airports and certain other venues).

News isn't news anymore (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943647)

It's entertainment. True journalism doesn't merely suggest being unbiased; it requires it. But today in 2012, 9 out of 10 "news" reports are absolutely biased. Observe the tone of their voice, their body language, their emotions. They pick a side every time, and often they even flaunt it, as if they had never even heard of this fundamental principle of journalism.

The bottom line is that "news" today isn't really news. It's merely commentary, and uneducated commentary at that. It's designed precisely to appeal to the masses, however wrong the masses may be. They appeal to the masses because it sells the most advertising.

Even NPR is going down this same drain. Again, listen to their tone of voice when (for example) conducting interviews. An interviewer is supposed to ask questions. Period. They are supposed to show no emotion, and never pick sides -- that is the job of the interviewee. Yet nearly every time I hear an interview on NPR, it is absolutely clear which "side" the interviewer is on.

Re:News isn't news anymore (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943959)

I agree with most of what you said, but hasn't this always been true of interviews in particular? The very process of selecting questions is fraught with bias. I'm middle aged and remember when news was not 24 hours nor designed explicitly to sell ads, but I do not remember ever being confused about what the stance of the crew of 60 Minutes was.

so... (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 2 years ago | (#39943003)

So what are 17-18 year old at the most students from a high school doing in a tavern? Maybe they should just enforce the existing rules to keep them out of there.

Re:so... (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 2 years ago | (#39943359)

A lot of bars will let you in, even if you are 21, especially during the off-peak hours (i.e. before 8-9 on Fri/Saturday), although it does depend on the bar. They won't let you drink (ostensibly: in actual practice, they often won't bother IDing you, but again, that depends almost entirely on the bar/bartender), but it can be nice if you have an under-21 friend who won't drink and can therefore drive.

Re:so... (1)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#39943495)

Check the address of the linked website. In the midwest, Bar/Restaurants vastly outnumber bars-only plus restaurants-only combined. Alcohol only facilities are extremely rare in my area, even if all they offer is fryer food and sandwiches, they sell at least some chow.

1) You aren't likely to get any if you're in the socioeconomic class that can only afford McD or taco bell. Coffee shop is infinitely more culturally acceptable.
2) You almost certainly are not in the $150/plate steakhouse socioeconomic class if you're in high school, unless its prom night.
3) Therefore two high school kids on a date, in the midwest, are almost certainly dining at a Bar/Restaurant.

I guess in some parts of the country its illegal for underage people to be on the premises of a bar? That must cut into sales even worse than smoking bans.

Re:so... (1)

steveg (55825) | about 2 years ago | (#39943781)

Years ago the manager of a restaurant (El Torito chain) kicked us out of the bar section because one of our party had an infant with him. This was in California, which does not normally have draconian policies about things like that.

I suspect he was a transplant from somewhere else and was confused about what was allowed, but he apparently had the authority to do it.

Re:so... (1)

admdrew (782761) | about 2 years ago | (#39943537)

The Billy Goat(s - there are more than one in Chicago) is closer to a bar/grill than a straight up bar, and is commonly visited for lunch. Still no idea where the story poster's anecdote came from, though.

Tech solution to non-tech problem (1)

Sez Zero (586611) | about 2 years ago | (#39943029)

...you no longer need to resort to violence to prevent Elton John Songs from being played on jukeboxes in bars.

There's always been a non-violent resort: have the proprietor remove Elton John discs/records from the jukebox. If the regulars request it, the owner will be happy to make the regular, paying customers happy.

Re:Tech solution to non-tech problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943129)

Exactly, and if the owner doesn't care enough, why would they put in this new google system to block Rocketman? Oh no no no. He doesn't care what's playing on the jukebox, and all this science he doesn't understand; it's just his job five days a week. I think it's gonna be a long, long time before this catches on.

Besides, even with the "threats of violence", bars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids.

Re:Tech solution to non-tech problem (1)

damien_kane (519267) | about 2 years ago | (#39943241)

Modern jukeboxes automatically increase their library over the internet, as new songs come out.
While songs can be removed, for some regulars, hearing that new [insert top-40 band-du-jour] song once is too many, and most often the management doesn't even know which new songs are added, at least without looking regularly.

Re:Tech solution to non-tech problem (1)

billcopc (196330) | about 2 years ago | (#39943721)

This.

Today's jukeboxes work on a subscription model. You pay $X per month, you get a constantly rotating selection of popular music, old and new. I wouldn't be surprised if these things had their own 3G uplink, because the places I've seen them installed didn't have any WFi. My educated guess is they're installed by bar owners who can't be bothered to set up a conventional sound system. I strongly doubt they'd put in the effort to set up a network for smartphones to vote on tunes, nor would they pay for a contractor to do it.

Re:Tech solution to non-tech problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943743)

Modern jukeboxes automatically increase their library over the internet, as new songs come out.

They download the songs from Pirate Bay? :-)

Re:Tech solution to non-tech problem (1)

jackbird (721605) | about 2 years ago | (#39943269)

Trouble is, the newer MP3 jukeboxes pull down tracks from a VAST media library somewhere offsite. It takes some doing to find a major-label track that isn't available in my experience.

No iP**e mentioned anywhere but the headline (2)

krouic (460022) | about 2 years ago | (#39943043)

Why is it that everytime an article mentions a "cellular phone", /. editor needs to put the i*** word in the headline ?

Re:No iP**e mentioned anywhere but the headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943795)

Especially with a patent by Google, I guess they'd be more interested in using it with Android phones.

Refund? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943045)

Does the person that paid money to play the song get a refund? I'm guessing the owner of the establishment / jukebox could have some policy, visible or not, that says they can interrupt any song for any reason, but still.

Erm.. High school students? In Bars? (2)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about 2 years ago | (#39943077)

Seems there's another issue here besides the jukebox.

Re:Erm.. High school students? In Bars? (1)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#39943275)

The linked "tavern" (copyright 2004 so the prices are only 8 years out of date) seems to be a restaurant/bar. Fairly common in the midwest for "casual family dining". I would further extend that to I've only seen 3 classes of restaurants here in the midwest, the $50+/seat with no bar but full bar service for the diners, the $20/seat casual family dining eatery with a bar nearby the entrance, and the dollar menu fast food joints (mc donalds, etc)

If you're "out with a date on friday night" (stereotypically unlikely here on /.) and there's a wait to be seated, the bar is always open for a quick drink and some (occasionally free) appetizers... If you're having a going away party at the bar, or surprisingly meet up with your best friend at the bar, or pick up a chick at the bar but she wants to eat before going to your bachelor pad(stereotypically unlikely here on /.), you walk over to a restaurant booth and have dinner. I am not a sports guy but I'm told some guys spend an entire football sunday walking from restaurant table for lunch, bar for afternoon game, and dinner at the restaurant again, followed sometimes by more drinking at the bar. So bar/restaurants are pretty convenient.

Often the separation between bar, cocktail table, and restaurant tables/booths is very flexible. You can order and eat a burger at the bar, or just drink at a restaurant table, or either at a cocktail table, and the staff are cool with it, as long as the money rolls in.

It is a huge headache for the servers to figure out who is allowed to drink and who is not allowed to drink.

Re:Erm.. High school students? In Bars? (2)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | about 2 years ago | (#39943385)

Seems there's another issue here besides the jukebox.

Actually, no. It's not a tavern as in bar but as in eatery. The Billy Goat Tavern is a Chicago landmark with a varied and colorful history.

Re:Erm.. High school students? In Bars? (1)

billcopc (196330) | about 2 years ago | (#39943777)

Depends on the legal drinking age where you live.

Here in Canada, it's usually 18 or 19. I don't have hard numbers but I would guess a good 5 to 10% of high school seniors could be legal.

if only one could invent something to prevent peop (1)

mapkinase (958129) | about 2 years ago | (#39943097)

if only one could invent something to prevent people from going to such bars.

Well... (2)

Mabhatter (126906) | about 2 years ago | (#39943133)

People are more than able to caught $20 for the music THEY want to here. The problem with Jukeboxes is that they play all of one customers songs in the order paid for. Some kid dumps $10 for the same song 20 times there's nothing to do about it. There are a lot of other ways to deal with the situation that could be built into the player.. Randomize tracks, only accept 3 songs at a time, only let so many repeats in an hour, etc....

This is a classic Tragedy of the Commons situation. The music affects everybody at the location, but the play rights are sold to one jukebox provider. Once they got the rights, they have no further interest in making user the experience is good for everybody. Free Capitalism baby! If somebody wants to harass the other customers with $20 of MCHammer it's not the jukebox providers problem.. They got their $20! If you didn't like the selection put your own $20 in first. You had the same chance as anybody else... Why did you "share"? It's exactly like the Ferengi Rules of Accusition.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943871)

People are more than able to caught $20 for the music THEY want to here.

WTF is that supposed to mean?

i want this in my local Giant as well (1)

mapkinase (958129) | about 2 years ago | (#39943163)

i want this in my local Giant as well. Many people go to bars to actually listen to damnboxes, but nobody goes to Gian to listen to their muzak.

Another application of iPhone-based voting: where should the drone fly and where to drop. Like crane game in arcades.

Apply to /, stories? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943169)

Could we apply this idea to /. stories with misleading summaries or headlines?

A-hem. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943183)

Its *called* "U Can't Touch This" and is a tour-de-force, a magnum opus, one of the very pillars in our culture. Damn kids.

(Captcha: disgusts, what U Cant Touch This does to people's ears.)

Should I laugh or should I cry? (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 2 years ago | (#39943229)

This is funny, but it's probably an abuse of the patent system. At best it is trivial.

And Vonnegut thought American life was absurd in his heyday. We seem to be living in a Dali painting now....

Someone should invent a moderation system... (4, Funny)

seanzig (834642) | about 2 years ago | (#39943231)

...that allows certain people, let's call them "moderators," to assign -1 or +1 rating points to the song. If the song falls below the bar's threshold, then it doesn't play. The selector of the song also accumulates these points from the moderators; we can call this "karma." Bad or good karma gives their future song selections a lower or higher initial rating, respectively. I'm so novel and smart! Time for me to file for my patent, beyotches!

Re:Someone should invent a moderation system... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943405)

...that allows certain people, let's call them "moderators," to assign -1 or +1 rating points to the song. If the song falls below the bar's threshold, then it doesn't play. The selector of the song also accumulates these points from the moderators; we can call this "karma." Bad or good karma gives their future song selections a lower or higher initial rating, respectively. I'm so novel and smart! Time for me to file for my patent, beyotches!

Then someone will come in and play of "you cant mod this1", then "you cant mod this2", then "you cant mod this3", then "you cant mod this4" all the way to "you cant mod this354" by MichealKristopeit and the Feebs

Oh, please.... (1)

macbass (868593) | about 2 years ago | (#39943237)

Can we focus on some REAL issues!? I have some much simpler suggestions: 1-leave 2-use earplugs 3-battle of the jukebox songs! (Or, I Can Drive You Crazier Faster Than You Can Drive Me Crazier!)

Prior Art (1)

John Bokma (834313) | about 2 years ago | (#39943285)

I have little doubt of prior art on this. I used to work at a company in New Zealand where one could vote a song up via a web interface.

One day one of the owners complained to, if I recall correctly the programmer, Adam, who had written the code for it and handled the tracks, if he could change the music since it most likely was highly disturbing to me, and since I was working on a Perl project from hell (no, not all Perl projects are like that), I needed peace. Then the guy told him that what was currently playing (System of a Down), was my contribution to the jukebox and had just been voted up by me, as well :-).

Aside: the owners of the same company agreed shortly after that I could have a "dual-head". One of the owners went after the meeting to a nearby shop that was selling video carts on the very cheap because of "smoke damage". The secretary handed the card over to me, and told me I now had "dual-head". My question: where's the monitor was met by a blank stare followed by: you needed an extra video card, right? To which Adam replied, "And to what is he going to connect it? To his eyes?". Aaah, those were the days. The company considered itself a player in the IT and ahead of its time, supporting Linux, OSS (but also doing illegal installs of Windows...).

Re:Prior Art (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943339)

I have little doubt of prior art on this. I used to work at a company in New Zealand where one could vote a song up via a web interface.

But you missed the magic words. "A patent for voting up a song via a web interface... ON A PHONE."

Being on a phone magically makes it innovative.

Hot Tip: Zweibel Technologies (1)

srussia (884021) | about 2 years ago | (#39943315)

FTFS:The patent comes from a quirky Outland Research IP portfolio acquired by Google

In other news: The Onion Spins off R&D Department, Eyes IPO in April 2013

What does this have to do with iPhones? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943379)

Is this the generic term for smart phones now?

So I might get what I paid for? (1)

pwnyxpress (2597273) | about 2 years ago | (#39943461)

I put a dollar in the machine in the hopes that the song I want to listen to won't be vetoed by other people?

maybe i'm getting old, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943493)

why would you want to skip Elton John songs?

What a bunch of bogus links (2)

mpbrede (820514) | about 2 years ago | (#39943527)

The links are to sites, not to the events or activities described. Who cares about the Billy Goat Tavern, except if one lives within driving distance?

What a shame (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39943865)

There's a chinese restaurant in my town that has the commentary track to "Thriller" in their jukebox, it's become tradition to queue it up 10 times before leaving.

Only on iPhones? (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 2 years ago | (#39943997)

Since when has "iPhone" become the generic term for a mobile phone?

Oh, wait, my mistake. It's just another badly thought-out Slashdot headline!

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