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Educate the public? (5, Insightful)

rk (6314) | about 2 years ago | (#39961105)

To do what? Download the pirated copies so they don't have to watch the unskippable content?

Re:Educate the public? (5, Interesting)

Technician (215283) | about 2 years ago | (#39961161)

Or use a DVD player that is not blessed by the DVD consortium.

Is it so hard to make a DVD player that plays the movie when you put it in?

A No it is not hard, just not allowed.

http://www.geexbox.org/ [geexbox.org] Play your movie. The menu and extras can be viewed if desired.

Twenty Seconds? (-1, Flamebait)

sycodon (149926) | about 2 years ago | (#39961201)

Twenty seconds...that's too much for you to suffer through?

Fuck, get a drink or take a piss. You probably won't have time to do either.

If this is the level of inconvenience that would cause anyone to get upset, they need to see a shrink because they have issues.

Re:Twenty Seconds? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961251)

For an idiot and waste of space like yourself, time is not valuable at all, so you ironically have a point. It is not generalizable though.

Re:Twenty Seconds? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961333)

You should take his recommendation and see a shrink. You have issues.

Re:Twenty Seconds? (4, Funny)

BenJeremy (181303) | about 2 years ago | (#39961323)

Twenty seconds...that's too much for you to suffer through?

Fuck, get a drink or take a piss. You probably won't have time to do either.

If this is the level of inconvenience that would cause anyone to get upset, they need to see a shrink because they have issues.

20 seconds might be plenty of time for you to do all of that, including fuck, but the rest of us usually sit down to watch a movie after we've done all that (and I for one, last a lot longer than your few seconds... ask your Mom when you see her Sunday).

I'd prefer not to sit there for 20 seconds to be annoyed by messages that, by PAYING FOR THE MOVIE, do not actually apply to me.

Re:Twenty Seconds? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961627)

You've just spent more effort and time typing a response to somebody you don't agree with than it would have took you to simply sit through the annoying message and not worry about it. The mentality behind people who will do almost no end of legwork to get around or avoid something that they find inconvenient, but is ultimately less of an imposition on anybody, including themselves, than the effort that one would likely have to go through to avoid it is nothing less than baffling.

When you can download an entire pirated movie in less than the time it takes to sit through the warnings about piracy, then maybe you might have a point. Heck, unless it is really mainstream it probably takes you longer than that just to find a place that has a copy of it for you to download.

Re:Twenty Seconds? (4, Interesting)

AK Marc (707885) | about 2 years ago | (#39961349)

They are actively punishing people for purchasing. The length of time of the punishment is not relevant. Pirating it is the only sane option. Paying for punishment is something only a few fetishists participate in.

Re:Twenty Seconds? (4, Funny)

Macgrrl (762836) | about 2 years ago | (#39961517)

I know a number of professional Mistresses, there's more than a few people who pay for punishment.

Though, mostly, it's negotiated in advance what is acceptable. Why is there no safe word for all this rubbish?

Re:Twenty Seconds? (5, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | about 2 years ago | (#39961367)

Yeah... because getting upset over principles when it is just easier to settle for less and wait 20 seconds is so much easier.

The more you are willing to settle for shit the more you will find you are eating it more often.

Re:Twenty Seconds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961405)

So to defend your "principals" you'll just pirate the content. Nice principals.

Re:Twenty Seconds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961545)

I don't perceive that he was offering to defend anyone, much less whoever his principals are. How would you know if those people are nice, anyway?

Re:Twenty Seconds? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961607)

Seems to me that most of the people who would piss and moan about this are the ones who would crowd your lane on the free way, honk and flip you the bird if you weren't off the dime at a green light in less than a second and probably kick their dog if it dare not shit or piss quickly enough when they take it outside.

Rude, impatient, self important jerks.

Re:Twenty Seconds? (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | about 2 years ago | (#39961379)

It's too much for me when it's completely pointless, yes. Quit wasting my time.

"What, 2 minutes too much for you? There are 24 hours in a day!"

Re:Twenty Seconds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961573)

2 minutes is 120 seconds. Not 20.

If you don't see the difference, here's a quick way to see the difference. Hold your breath for 120 seconds. Compare that to holding your breath for 20. Unless you are trained in static apnea, you probably can't even actually hold your breath for 120 seconds.

20 seconds is not a big deal.. Don't compare it to 2 minutes, or even 1. It's TWENTY freakin' seconds. If 20 seconds is too long for you to wait for something that is of no use to you, I'm compelled to wonder how you deal with things like traffic lights where you don't happen to see anybody else around.

Re:Twenty Seconds? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961387)

"Fuck, get a drink or take a piss. You probably won't have time to do either. If this is the level of inconvenience that would cause anyone to get upset, they need to see a shrink because they have issues."

If rk's post is the type that would cause you to get upset, you need to see a shrink because you have issues.

Re:Twenty Seconds? (2)

jaymz666 (34050) | about 2 years ago | (#39961483)

Let's turn on the disc changer, shall we? OK, what DVD is in spot #1? 20 seconds..... plus whatever other load time there is.
Ok, disc #2? Hmmm, what about #3?....

What a waste of time for zero gain, only pissing off the general public.

Re:Twenty Seconds? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961515)

Twenty seconds...that's too much for you to suffer through?

That's 20 seconds, AFTER the 45 or so for the damn thing to boot up, 10 to figure out that there's a disc shoved in it, AFTER 10 minutes of previews for "coming soon" titles that came and went 3 years ago, BEFORE the half-dozen splash screens from all the various production and distribution companies involved with the movie, etc, etc. Conveying the EXACT SAME DAMN information that I saw when I played the last movie, and the one before that, and the one before that.

Re:Twenty Seconds? (5, Insightful)

Tridus (79566) | about 2 years ago | (#39961605)

Yes. It's my money, and as the customer I demand they not put bullshit in just to make me suffer through it.

If they can't manage that, I'll gladly not give them my money. Capitalism is grand.

Re:Educate the public? (5, Insightful)

QuietLagoon (813062) | about 2 years ago | (#39961243)

Exactly correct. The two 10-second pieces of unskippable "educational" content will serve only to annoy those people who legally purchased the DVD and Bluray discs. Those who acquire illegal copies will not be subject to such annoyances.

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That sounds like a good plan to me if the goal is to push paying customers away.

Re:Educate the public? (5, Insightful)

Fluffeh (1273756) | about 2 years ago | (#39961519)

Exactly correct. The two 10-second pieces of unskippable "educational" content will serve only to annoy those people who legally purchased the DVD and Bluray discs. Those who acquire illegal copies will not be subject to such annoyances.

That sounds like a good plan to me if the goal is to push paying customers away.

Yes and no. I (and I think many /.'ers are similar to me in this regard) do get annoyed by this sort of thing, yet I am also inclined to support the entertainment that I enjoy. As a result, I do in fact go out and buy the shows that I like to watch to send a (I know it is meager) message to the content creators "Hey, this makes you money. Make more of THIS." but I do come home, transcode it to a nice file without all the rubbish advertising and crap "announcements" that they put on the loading sectors of discs. I was quite amused by Startgate SG1 for example, but towards the latter half of the series, each time I inserted a disc, forcing me to watch (I kid you not) A Fox? Studios advertisment, followed by a trailer for Startgate Contimuum, then a trailer for the Stargate video game, then an advertisement for Stargate Altantis, then an anti-piracy message? Give me a break. If I am buying the damned discs, you have made your money and let me enjoy my content already.

So while I do enjoy feeling good about supporting the entertainment that I enjoy, the taste is often more and more bitter. The only upside is that some content providers seem to get the message and skip anything like that. From a pragmatic point of view, I think that actually makes me enjoy that more as I am no longer associating that show with forced advertising.

Re:Educate the public? (2)

arose (644256) | about 2 years ago | (#39961629)

"Hey, this makes you money. Make more of THIS"

...and they will happily add more unskippable crap. Because THIS is the complete package, I don't think there is a winning choice.

Re:Educate the public? (1)

LocalH (28506) | about 2 years ago | (#39961587)

Interestingly, I think that actually is their goal. The more people they push to infringement, the more they get to say "See? We need these laws because more people are infringing than ever!" I just shudder to think about what other annoyance schemes they could come up with.

Re:Educate the public? (4, Insightful)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 2 years ago | (#39961617)

That sounds like a good plan to me if the goal is to push paying customers away.

That!

I found myself watching less and less purchased content after the "warnings" and the interminable previews. To the point where I haven't bought anything for 4 or so years now. It's just too much a PITA.

And it's silly too, which is part of the issue. How many people don't know that it is illegal to copy and sell copyrighted videos? Finally, it's such a nice treat to get a threat of fines or imprisonment. Wow - these movies are dangerous stuff! No thanks, I'll just watch whatever is on the net that is free, not really any need to do the illegal stuff. And I have more discretionary money now too.

Re:Educate the public? (5, Funny)

nine-times (778537) | about 2 years ago | (#39961249)

No, see, the issue is that people don't know they're not supposed to pirate DVDs. If pirates knew that movie studios didn't want them to do that, they'd immediately stop.

It's similar to the way that people didn't know that they were allowed to say "no" to drugs, but when Nancy Reagan told them that they could say "no", suddenly everyone stopped doing drugs.

Re:Educate the public? (3, Insightful)

chipschap (1444407) | about 2 years ago | (#39961551)

"No, see, the issue is that people don't know they're not supposed to pirate DVDs."

Right, that's why they want to put a warning on something that you DIDN'T pirate, to tell you that you shouldn't do what you didn't do in the first place, and probably never planned to do ... except now they've got you thinking about it ... maybe next time you just might!

Re:Educate the public? (2)

hendridm (302246) | about 2 years ago | (#39961271)

To do what? Download the pirated copies so they don't have to watch the unskippable content?

That's exactly what I was thinking, though DVDs have been pretty insufferable for a long time with unskippable crap before the menu.

an ICE spokesman says the intent isn't to deter piracy but to educate the public.

So they don't want to stop piracy, they just want to tell you about it?? You'd think they'd want to stop piracy through educating the public. :P

Re:Educate the public? (2)

EdIII (1114411) | about 2 years ago | (#39961419)

You don't even need to pirate the movie.

I have stored a huge number of DVD movies in my family's library by ripping it to an ISO with the PUO's removed. If you are so inclined, you can even remove the trailers from the movie to save space.

Although since I won't support BluRay I do download BluRay pirate rips of some movies I already own that I really like. Being forced to pay for some extra pixels is just another way they rip you off.

Re:Educate the public? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961409)

Just use AnyDVD... ;-)

Re:Educate the public? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961561)

To do what? Download the pirated copies so they don't have to watch the unskippable content?

To do what, you ask? Obama wants to educate the USSA...or actually re-educate civilian internees and internally displaced civilians [americanvisionnews.com] when such civilians are indefinitely detained under H.R.1540 NDAA. The DVD/BD "education" is to get you used to the idea, of this Ministry of Truth.

"The Ministry of Truth, which concerned itself with news, entertainment, education and the fine arts. The Ministry of Peace, which concerned itself with war. The Ministry of Love, which maintained law and order. And the Ministry of Plenty, which was responsible for economic affairs."

- George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four

ya it educates the public. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961119)

pirated copies dont have annoying 20 second warnings and dont cost any money. go pirates!

Whenever those asinine warnings come up .... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961127)

I think of this: Video Pirates [youtube.com]

Good thing I pirate all my movies. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961131)

No government warning or unskippable trailers to worry about that way.

that's the reason I prefer the pirate version (3, Insightful)

JcMorin (930466) | about 2 years ago | (#39961133)

I have kids and I prefer thing that start right away then the real version I purchase. So I create a legal copy, remove eveything but the main movie and here I go!

Re:that's the reason I prefer the pirate version (1)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | about 2 years ago | (#39961205)

I do the same. Last thing I want is slow poorly responding menus with 27 unskippable/hard-to-skip previes, advertisements and warnings. My blu-rays are for the most part permanantly on the shelf. I've ripped every one to an 8000kbps dual-pass mkv file, stored on the house file server, that can play via VLC on the computer connected to the TV.

I rip the DVDs to 1600kbps mkv files, although that collection is so big that I've only got about 1/3 of them ripped. Will rip more on demand (And when hard drive prices come back down again).

Re:that's the reason I prefer the pirate version (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about 2 years ago | (#39961385)

Can you share what tools / scripts / arguments you use for this?

I've not found any way to do it without a massive headache. These days I just DeCSS and keep the otherwise pristine ISO file around (I don't do blu-ray, mostly because drives are too expensive for my taste)

Re:that's the reason I prefer the pirate version (1)

EdIII (1114411) | about 2 years ago | (#39961445)

I tend to store the ISOs of my DVD movies and I was surprised to find out that the WD Live TV Plus allows you to skip everything simply by pressing the option button and choosing the root menu. WD is not even paying attention to the PUOs.

Who came up with this brilliant idea? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961135)

Naw, this won't backfire at all!

Pirates (5, Insightful)

Citizen of Earth (569446) | about 2 years ago | (#39961137)

As with DRMed music, the pirates will win because they OFFER A BETTER PRODUCT.

Re:Pirates (5, Insightful)

vanyel (28049) | about 2 years ago | (#39961383)

They just as well make the 20-second message say "Please rip this disc!" - it's the first thing *I'm* going to do with any disc with this crap on it...

Re:Pirates (4, Interesting)

Kjella (173770) | about 2 years ago | (#39961459)

As with DRMed music, the pirates will win because they OFFER A BETTER PRODUCT.

The pirates are not what caused the music companies to drop DRM. If it was just the pirates, they'd still be pushing broken DRM just like the movie industry won't quit after CSS and AACS and BD+ and HDCP being broken. The only reason is that Apple was dominating online sales and they refused to license FairPlay, they were getting a monopoly on distribution. The studios couldn't live with that but to get competition they had to drop DRM and start selling regular MP3s and AACs. The music industry surrendered, the movie industry will fight to the very last man. Someone drop a few nukes on them and make them surrender please (doing it from orbit optional).

Educate? (3, Interesting)

hawguy (1600213) | about 2 years ago | (#39961141)

If the intent is not to deter piracy, what are they educating the public about? How to rip their disks to avoid the warning?

There must be an enormous cost associated with this - 20 seconds multiplied by every time a DVD is played sounds like a lot of wasted time, and according to ICE, it's not even supposed to deter piracy. So what's the point?

Re:Educate? (4, Interesting)

houstonbofh (602064) | about 2 years ago | (#39961337)

If the intent is not to deter piracy, what are they educating the public about? How to rip their disks to avoid the warning?

About how much of the worlds governments are bought and paid for by Hollywood. I think even my (proverbial) Mother will understand this one.

Re:Educate? (1)

stephanruby (542433) | about 2 years ago | (#39961493)

If the intent is not to deter piracy, what are they educating the public about?

Hopefully, the studios that haven't bought into this scheme will label their DVDs accordingly, this way I can just buy their movies and skip this entire idiotic nonsense.

Stupider and stupider (5, Interesting)

Scareduck (177470) | about 2 years ago | (#39961143)

This handy flow chart explains why [i-am-bored.com] . The **AA guys are desperately trying to put themselves out of business. See also The Oatmeal about why HBO is trying to do the same thing to people wanting to buy Game of Thrones [theoatmeal.com] .

Re:Stupider and stupider (1)

Mitsoid (837831) | about 2 years ago | (#39961359)

So true... I stopped buying DVD's and just watch Netflix instant watch.... cheaper then 1 DVD/month and i get access to thousands...

Network with friends and usually someone buys that awesome movie when it comes out.. So 1 purchase = 1-2 viewings for 8 of us over a week or two to pass the disc around... A win solution since watching a movie on Blu-Ray is not worth 2 tickets to the theater.. I may watch the DVD/Blu-ray 4-5 times in it's lifetime, and rarely would i feel a void in my heart for not having a movie.

Why? (5, Insightful)

Oliver_Etchebarne (647762) | about 2 years ago | (#39961147)

People who will see that screen _already_ have bought an original DVD...

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961229)

This is what really aggravates me. I own a *lot* for DVDs & BluRays. It's especially bad with BluRays. I put a disc in, and it's upwards of 5 minutes before I can start watching the movie. I could *maybe* understand if these showed once per title, but every time? Also, the disabling of the menu buttons? WTF!

I would pay beau coup bucks to the company that disregards the discs and always takes me to the menu when I press menu.

Re:Why? (0)

houstonbofh (602064) | about 2 years ago | (#39961403)

This is why I do not even have a BluRay player. If I can not make it do what I want, I do not OWN it. And I don't want to pay that kind of money for someone else's box...

Re:Why? (1)

Hyperhaplo (575219) | about 2 years ago | (#39961399)

This is why I am really annoyed with the Firefly dvd. I purchased the dvd set I don't need to be bashed in the face every time I play the dvd. Gah.

Makes me wonder why people bother buying the dvd

No Thanks (1)

alanmeyer (174278) | about 2 years ago | (#39961155)

Just one more reason to not buy any preview-infested Blu-Ray discs and just use my $$ to stream videos from the internet.

Be kind, please rewind. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961163)

Jokes on them. I rent betamax.

Are they trying to make people stop buying DVDs? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961171)

Wonderful. Yet ANOTHER reason to never buy another movie on DVD or Blu Ray again. Congratulations, movie studios on pissing off even more of your PAYING CUSTOMERS. I mean, really -- at this point are you intentionally trying to put yourselves out of business?

Re:Are they trying to make people stop buying DVDs (3, Funny)

phaedrus5001 (1992314) | about 2 years ago | (#39961523)

Maybe this is the goal. If people stop buying the DVDs, then there will be no one to rip them and upload the files to The Pirate Bay or some other torrent site. Piracy problem solved!

Just enough time.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961177)

Just long enough to go wee-wee.

Stupider and stupider (0, Redundant)

Scareduck (177470) | about 2 years ago | (#39961179)

What you get with a pirate DVD vs. the official release [i-am-bored.com] . Now tell me, which one would you rather have? The Oatmeal had similar things to say about trying to buy HBO's Game of Thrones [theoatmeal.com] . They simply can't understand how customers or potential customers think. The **AA are idiots.

You didn't had these allready? (2)

santax (1541065) | about 2 years ago | (#39961183)

Here in the Netherlands, where it is perfectly legal to download a movie (can't upload though) we have these since VHS... First a FBI warning, an institute that as absolutely no rights or business here, then a RIAA warning (again, no business here) and then the Dutch 'Brein' Warning... And then a couple of trailers I have on interest in... All in all you're going to lose between 5 and 10 minutes of your life being told lies that piracy is stealing (which of course it isn't) Man, I the only movie I ever bought was the Godfather collection, v2000, VHS and DVD... Because those are the only 3 movies good enough to tolerate that shit! (Although in practice, I just watch the torrent....)

Re:You didn't had these allready? (3, Informative)

russotto (537200) | about 2 years ago | (#39961285)

These are different than the ones you're talking about. It seems they've caught on to the workaround of "put the disk in, go make some popcorn / get a beer / take a piss, come back and press 'play movie'". So these will appear after you press 'play movie'. Even more obnoxious. If I were running the pirate bay I'd send them a nice thank-you letter.

Re:You didn't had these allready? (1)

santax (1541065) | about 2 years ago | (#39961341)

Oh wow... that eh, yeah that is kind of idiotic. The copied movies already had more value, but this will only make that worse.

why are we paying for that (5, Insightful)

RichMan (8097) | about 2 years ago | (#39961193)

When I see this the message I get is

"If you avoided paying for this then you would not have to see this stupid message"

That's ADORABLE. (1, Insightful)

drunkennewfiemidget (712572) | about 2 years ago | (#39961199)

I love how the *AA are intentionally putting themselves out of business.

There can be no other reason.

Music sales are up, movies are still grossing record revenues, Netflix is successful, etc. They keep trying to tell us piracy is bad.

No, piracy offers me a better product. No revoked keys, no work involved in playing my content, I can put it where I want, use it how I want, etc.i

Fucking idiots.

Easy: Rip before watching (1)

sycomonkey (666153) | about 2 years ago | (#39961209)

If you still want to keep things above board (for the creators, not the leeching middlemen), just rip the disks before you watch them. Yeh, it's a good 5 minutes and a bit of a hassle, and totally illegal due to DMCA, but you never have to sit through any of the crap they shove on the disks these days again, like these warnings, trailers, or flashy menus. Obviously pirates don't have this problem.

Re:Easy: Rip before watching (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | about 2 years ago | (#39961435)

If you still want to keep things above board (for the creators, not the leeching middlemen), just rip the disks before you watch them. Yeh, it's a good 5 minutes and a bit of a hassle, and totally illegal due to DMCA, but you never have to sit through any of the crap they shove on the disks these days again, like these warnings, trailers, or flashy menus. Obviously pirates don't have this problem.

Twenty seconds is still less than 5 minutes, but they are working on it.

Forget the time and the irritation, I always rip (1)

bussdriver (620565) | about 2 years ago | (#39961593)

Anybody with a laptop knows it is far better to rip it and then play it back from low power silent storage than haul around easy to scratch (illegal to backup) discs that loudly whirl around wasting electricity. Plus there are all these devices without DVD or blueray on them...

If somebody sold software to rip legally purchased discs so you could easily access them... they would be shutdown.... unless it is music, where iTunes proved highly successful at doing just that.

Re:Easy: Rip before watching (1)

Macgrrl (762836) | about 2 years ago | (#39961597)

You're making the assumption that there will ONLY be those two 10 second announcements. There will probably still be another 5 minutes of crap on top of that.

I'm currently re-watching Life on DVD, every time I turn on the DVD players I have to sit through minutes of unskippable (un-fast-forwardable) warnings and trailers, and they are on the start of every disc in the set.

Re:Easy: Rip before watching (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961509)

But then I'd be supporting the middlemen.

take your brainwashing like good boys and girls. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961267)

theft and murder on the high seas will be equated with copyright infringement, but only for those not involved in commiting copyright infringement.

Education is a wonderful thing, this isn't.

Consider this... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961269)

Consider an open hardware project consisting of an ARM board booting from flash and running Linux which has the sole purpose of playing DVDs and Bluerays. Couple it with a power supply, BD drive, and chassis; and the genie of I-can-do-whatever-I-damn-well-please-with-my-disk is forever out of the bottle. Who here would buy such a thing?

Re:Consider this... (3, Insightful)

shentino (1139071) | about 2 years ago | (#39961411)

Nobody, because the DVD and Blu-ray panels would sue the vendors into oblivion for patent infringement.

That is how the DRM is enforced at a legal level. Patent the algorithm and require you to implement DRM to get a license. No DRM, no patent license.

"Educate" the public? (1)

msobkow (48369) | about 2 years ago | (#39961287)

You mean senselessly beat and pound on the people who already got the message. As futile and pointless as a preacher screaming to the congregation that they need to "accept Jesus" when they're already in the church.

Go Corporate States of America! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961307)

I'm glad to see the government taking such an active part in what we can watch, where we can watch it, and under what conditions. If you don't follow the rules, you have everything taken away from you and you are thrown on the street.

This is the religion of the United States of America and is only comparable to the types of actions taken by religious extremists. Be it a witch hunt is the old US of A or someone cutting off an exposed body part of a woman in an islamic nation.

I has a policy (5, Funny)

Swampash (1131503) | about 2 years ago | (#39961309)

Whenever I see an unskippable copyright warning on a DVD I legitimately own, the movie industry owes me another movie for free. I can't help it if the MPAA just keeps on breaching my policy.

Unskippable? Watch me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961315)

That's fine. I'll just skip buying your product and download it instead.

-AC

US only, I suppose (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961321)

Both those warnings are "Made in USA". Why should the rest of the world (6 billion - 313 million people) be concerned?

Advertising Piracy .... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961327)

Leave it to the government to advertise piracy. This is a lot like putting up a sign "Wet Paint -- Don't Touch" and we all know what people will do.

Similarly, in Utah (under President Clinton) they created the Escallante National Monument in order to "preserve" it. Of course, nobody lived out there and the only people who went out into the area that became the monument was a few ranchers and red-necks. After they announced the monument, 1,000's of people headed down there and now it is a major tourist attraction. The volunteer fire department in Boulder Utah just about went broke because drunk drivers would drive off Devils Backbone (narrow one lane road, 500 feet down on either side) and they would have to haul the cars out. Property in the area jumped from $1,000/acre to $50,000/acre. (Interestingly enough much of which was purchased by Gibb Smith who was a major figure in the Utah Wilderness Alliance and the Sierra Club not long before the national monument was announced.) All in all, declaring the national monument was perhaps the worst thing that could happen to preserve the "wildernessness" of the land itself.

Putting an ad at the beginning of every movie that says: "Don't pirate me" simply says: "Pirate Me" or: "You could have downloaded this from the Pirate Bay for Free."

what they should do - (4, Interesting)

RichMan (8097) | about 2 years ago | (#39961329)

put a one time use web entered data key at the end of OPTIONAL previews for a 50% discount on a future movie ticket (only valid on some movies, like the ones the expect to bomb anyways and need extra audience).

This says a) thanks for buying the disk, and b) thanks for watching the OPTIONAL previews.

It would make the buyer feel good and it would get them extra audience for normally losy movies. And it would get them web registrations of users. ((I hate doing the registration stuff, so mine would end up unused or I would pass the number to someone else, but I would still feel good about it rather than the current system))

Pirating. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961355)

I don't feel morally righteous or justified in downloading pirated shows, but it's just so damn convenient.

And this is why I rip... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961369)

.. all of my favorite blurays to my server as MKV files w/o transcoding (thanks MakeMKV). The experience of watching is *so* much better. Trying to skip through all of the crap to get to the content you paid for is really really irritating.

Odd choice to start with (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961373)

I think the government would have been better off forcing you to hear a recording against speeding or driving impaired when you start your car. Stick with invasive behaviors when it serves a purpose, not pads someone's bottom line.

you time has been stolen. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961377)

So who will hold the Government accountable for stealing my time? It does add up.

20s? Could be a lot worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961393)

You Americans don't know when you're well off...

I'm quite accustomed to seeing (unskippable) "public information" films that run to more like 2 minutes. Then there's the copyright warnings, rendered in ~20 EU languages for 20 different national laws, an apparently-random selection of which is shown for about 10 seconds each every time I try to view the disc. Not only are they unskippable - ironically, they're also un-pausable, so if you really want to read them thoroughly, you can't.

Basically, the routine is:
  - put in the disc
  - go make tea, while leaving the TV showing some random program
  - come back and switch over to the DVD channel, hoping that by now it's ready to watch.

How about a California constitutional amendment (4, Funny)

reg (5428) | about 2 years ago | (#39961439)

I wish someone would craft a carefully worded Proposition for California which would make any unskipable content on media which is sold or rented unconstitional... Something about not being allowed to accuse people of crimes without evidence that they are at least thinking of committing the crime.

It would make for such a fun round of election ads - the more the studios argue that it is a good thing the more the population would be reminded just how irritating these warnings are.

Regards,
-Jeremy

20 seconds to sit through a warning. (4, Insightful)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#39961477)

Enough time to set up a torrent download for the movie and let the regret of purchasing set in.

Another reason (2)

J'raxis (248192) | about 2 years ago | (#39961495)

As if I needed another reason to never purchase content made by these companies. So now they're effectively making pirated copies not just cheaper, but better, too.

Fuck You (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961537)

http://thepiratebay.se/ FOR LIFE.

Especially irritating for foreigners (5, Insightful)

Dzimas (547818) | about 2 years ago | (#39961547)

I'm not in the USA, yet I have to sit through FBI warnings on every DVD or Blu-ray I purchase. Yes, they're impressive official seals and look very threatening, but the FBI has absolutely no jurisdiction in this country. Why on earth don't they edit the bloody things out?!

We've had these for a while in Australia (2)

multiben (1916126) | about 2 years ago | (#39961553)

So I'm sorry because I know what's ahead of you. And you know, it's not the waiting that is annoying. It is the fact that I bought a DVD with *my* money thereby (at least I believed) owning it, and yet I am being forced to watch something I would prefer to skip. Again and again and again. If you are one of the people here who thinks it won't be annoying, then speak to me in a year's time when you've seen the same damn message 500 times.

To the idiots who decided to put these messages up in the first place: Nothing makes me want to pirate more than these messages. I am not pro-pirate, but you are making your product *worse* than I can get for free. Why make people who are doing the right thing already sit through a bunch of your preachy bullshit?

Cheap movies used to do this right (2)

Tridus (79566) | about 2 years ago | (#39961569)

My old copy of Demolition Man on DVD has this stuff right. You put it in, the movie starts. There's minimal nonsense. No previews, no menus, just movie. The movie is the only thing I care about anyway, so this is great.

These days they're just annoying. As usual Hollywood is working hard to make the pirate version superior to the purchased one. They must be taking lessons from Ubisoft in how to chase off paying customers.

Ah Yes, Those Threats From Foriegn Countries. (4, Insightful)

rueger (210566) | about 2 years ago | (#39961579)

I'm always amused that every DVD I rent or buy in Canada has stern warnings from police forces in other countries. The day when the RCMP has their own warning before the movie is the day when I'll take it seriously.

Especially since a hell of a lot of those DVDs are pressed in Canada.

Fucking Brill (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961583)

So... the people that should see this, have a ripped DVD and won't.

The people that have no business seeing it... it will inconvenience them.

Yes, 20 seconds is an inconvenience for a movie I have purchased.

No sig, post as AC, got karma to burn but not for this.

They say unstoppable (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961601)

But AnyDVD HD says otherwise (slysoft.com)

Yea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39961609)

Yea because all of those speed limit signs educate me but do nothing to deter my speeding.
Think of the internet as a open road for hundreds of miles with no officers on patrol.
That road my friends needs to be enjoyed before it is packed full of stop signs, speed bumps, and traffic lights.

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