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Linux on the Playstation 2

CmdrTaco posted more than 13 years ago | from the could-it-be dept.

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A source (who asked to remain anonymous, but is reliable) claims to have seen a Linux Port to the Playstation 2. He also saw a PS2 running X and KDE on the machine, running on the MIPS processor w/ 32 Megs of RAM. Unfortunately the information that is available is all written in Japanese. It would be sweet if Sony would make a free image available so people could boot Linux. If not, maybe someone else is up to the task? My PS2 is currently in Toledo (after taking what seemed like an eternity in Memphis). Damn fedex: I need to play Star Wars Starfighter and DOA2! If I boot Linux, can I count it as a business expense?

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Sony have big plans (1)

NigelJohnstone (242811) | more than 13 years ago | (#381430)

Sony have big plans for the PS2, maybe SONY ITSELF will put Linux onto it, since they wants to run audio, video, internet, etc. etc. on PS2 it makes sense if they slap Linux on it and use the existing software thats out there.

Re:You can still read it (3)

cetan (61150) | more than 13 years ago | (#381432)

I couldn't resist this...

From the translation (Japanese to English) comes the following phrase:

"...with also tomorrow you try the Linux for the PS2 it can put out..."

Wow linux on the ps2 and it puts out?! Sign me up baby :)

Re:AOL (1)

spyderbyte23 (96108) | more than 13 years ago | (#381435)

This would make an AOL client for PS2 trivial.

Ooooh, excellent point. I hadn't thought of that.

'course, I'm not sure Sony and TimeWarnerAOL will cooperate to that extent unless they're pretty scared of MS...

There have been rumblings that X-Box was only conceived because Microsoft was angry about being shut out of the PS2 application space. The Register ran a quote from Sony's president that implied that.

Basically, MS went to Sony and set, "Internet-enabled gaming console, eh? We sure would like us some of that." Sony informed them that that wouldn't be necessary, thank you. Cue X-Box.

I would think that Sony has plenty of reason to want to team up against MS.

Here's the URL, made goatse.cx safe:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/16043 .html
If you don't like copying and pasting, click here. [theregister.co.uk]

Not quite so... (2)

morpheus_ (124308) | more than 13 years ago | (#381436)

Since console makers traditionally lose money on the console itself to position it in as many homes as possible, and then make money off the licensing fees they get from game designers, it's (almost) always a good deal to hack consoles. You get a very, very cheap mp3 station/vcd player/whatever. That's why I can't wait for the Xbox, and somebody hacking it. A 733Mhz processor with an NV20 chip for under $300? Count me in! I won't buy any games, but as soon as somebody runs linux on that damned thing, it's gonna rock!

CmdrTaco's PS2 (2)

brad3378 (155304) | more than 13 years ago | (#381440)


&gt My PS2 is currently in Toledo (after taking what seemed like an enternity in Memphis). Damn fedex

It may not be in Memphis. Some FedEx employee is probably stranded on a island with it. (think Tom Hanks)

Re:over the counter drugs (1)

bonoboy (98001) | more than 13 years ago | (#381441)

Well what about those of us that would like a cheap alternative to an SGI workstation to develop 3d on? Sounds like a killer machine for it to me!

Yes, but.. (1)

PorcelainLabrador (321065) | more than 13 years ago | (#381442)

I would rather they ported the Playstation 2 to Linux. You know, an emulator. Now that would be cool.

Although, running Linux on the PS2 could have some charm. Like, if your system ever crashes, the controllers would start vibrating and shaking... poof!




-Lab-

Re:This is stupid... (1)

UberLame (249268) | more than 13 years ago | (#381443)

Well, it makes it easier to write games for both platforms.

Further, in the case of the dreamcast, I could make a boot CD that uses the ethernet to allow me to get MP3 files or Mpeg or other formats that can be decompressed on a 275mhz processor from a file server. Thus I don't need a big ugly PC in the living room to play video and music from the net, just a dreamcast. Actually, add a USB-Ethernet adaptor to a PS2 and you could do the same thing.

You could combine either device with a cheap LCD display (there are web sites that will sell LCDs that can be easily made to take composite video for $100 to $200, but I'm not at home so I don't have the bookmarks handy). This would give you a cheap and small XTerm. An easy way to put a computer in the kitchen. Mount the LCD on a cabinet door, hide the DC or PS2 away, and put a cheap USB keyboard and touch pad on the counter.

Really the posibilities with these things running linux is endless.

Sweet... (4)

Calamere (318591) | more than 13 years ago | (#381444)

maybe I can run my webserver off of my PS2.... That will save me the cost of my server...except that the my PS2 cost more than my server. Ah, shit.

over the counter drugs (2)

shunryu (321987) | more than 13 years ago | (#381446)


Sorry to say this to all, but if you buy a Playstation your buying it for games not for PC use to run anything other than games.

Sounds like a nice concept to be able to use Playstation as a cheap alternative to a PC, but this is more of a novelty as opposed to late breaking news of some sort. So lets trump up a scenario for /.'ers to have them conceptualize the true non geekish news here: Little Timmy saves his chore money to go out and buy Playstation so he could play Zelda or some other games. Little Timmy is an avid game afficionado who will spend some thousands of dollars throughout his life on games.

Along come the techies with some new over the counter remedy for Timmy to be able to use his Playstation for something other than games. Does Timmy go out and get this new over the counter remedy? NO! Timmy continues playing GAMES.

With a bombarding of what Linux or BSD will now run on popping up left and right, factorize the completeness of the story with true life experience, do you think one of the distros such as Redhat, or Slackware, will start coding installment ports taking a gamble on the notion that it can be done? How big of a market is it in reality? Just because it may make our mouths salivate at the thought, doesn't mean it will live to see the light of day.

American Concentration Camps?!?! [antioffline.com] you be the judge.

Re:This is stupid... (1)

UberLame (249268) | more than 13 years ago | (#381448)

Actually, the /. post said that X was running. And hackers understand PS sound hardware, and PS2 sound hardware is supposed to be the same.

the new konami kernal (1)

self assembled struc (62483) | more than 13 years ago | (#381453)

it's actually:
up up down down left right left right B A B A start

but if you want multi-user mode you'll need to do a select start instead the start

Re:Easy Ports (1)

miahrogers (34176) | more than 13 years ago | (#381455)

Well it really depends on the platform, on x86 the first 1024 bytes (or whatever) of a given disk is booted first IIRC. It's probably much different for the playstation 2 though.

This is stupid... (1)

thelung187 (262839) | more than 13 years ago | (#381457)

Yeah, linux is all fine and dandy, but what the hell are you gonna do on a PS2? Or even a DC for that matter? Yeah, wow, linux can run on a gaming console, but maybe I'm just missing the whole point of why people bother to do this in the first place...

Re:You can still read it (1)

bonoboy (98001) | more than 13 years ago | (#381459)

It is is, if voice it puts out, it puts out, it is it is not, the SCE. Generally, making the Linux of enviroment for software development and passing, the GPL kernel using therefore the é it is, when releasing, you wrapped, becoming matter of concern, hurting, it does, don't you think?. Voice just it puts out how, with Internet the proudest thing. The which pulled out this speech á it is, it started learning political power, well. Originally, there was a knowledge, however probably will be. Saying the night it is made, also Soichiro Honda emphasizing the importance of the party in the book, it increased history.

You're kidding, right?

Net access (1)

lukegalea1234 (250067) | more than 13 years ago | (#381461)

I wonder if someone could write drivers for usb modems and the like for it.. as opposed to waiting until sony gets around to releasing their "online solution".

pointless? (1)

JEDi_ERiAN (79402) | more than 13 years ago | (#381462)

what is the point of this? just to prove that it can be done? it's about as pointless as running linux on a wristwatch.

i'm sure i'll be modded down to flamebait for this.

E.

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Cheap (free) games (2)

jm91509 (161085) | more than 13 years ago | (#381463)

Now instead of buying a game, existing games that run on linux can be recompiled to run on ps2. Distribute the game as a bootable iso. Linux boots and loads the game. The developers don't pay sony for a licence which means that we can get cheep high quality games. Wins all round. JM

Translation, courtesy TeleTranslator (4)

wfaulk (135736) | more than 13 years ago | (#381464)

http://www.peanuts.gr.jp/pslinux/

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- Aim 10,000 people -

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Re:Instructions: (2)

Mastagunna (251788) | more than 13 years ago | (#381465)

It has usb, and some games already support usb keyboard and mouse like Unreal Tournment, so if a game can work with why couldn't linux. Plus the PS2 is not a Konami product.

Won't be officially supported. (2)

interiot (50685) | more than 13 years ago | (#381468)

It would be sweet if Sony would make a free image available so people could boot Linux.

Sony loses money or breaks even on the hardware sold, and makes money on the games. It's in their best interest to lock you in to playing games on the hardware, so official support of this is very very unlikely.

While also unlikely, it'd be a better bet that Microsoft would officially support XBox emulation on normal PC's (that have the hardware requirements) because they'd still be making the profit on the games.
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Re:Living Room Computing Solution (1)

ranessin (205172) | more than 13 years ago | (#381473)


I can speak for the other poster but I, for one, have no use for a woman in my living room (or any other room in my house).

Ranessin

Re:Instructions: (3)

micromoog (206608) | more than 13 years ago | (#381474)

Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A Start

Wow, you got it right! So many people stick that unnecessary B A in there. True, it works both ways, but you only need one (for Contra and LifeForce, at least).

im not sure how this would work... (1)

330w0lf (320913) | more than 13 years ago | (#381475)

but, is ther a way to get a Playstation 1 to boot linux maby? (not sure what i would do with it)

AOL (1)

mikeee (137160) | more than 13 years ago | (#381476)

This would make an AOL client for PS2 trivial.

'course, I'm not sure Sony and TimeWarnerAOL will cooperate to that extent unless they're pretty scared of MS...

Re:Great! (1)

Jodrell (191685) | more than 13 years ago | (#381477)

So... You want put a port of an operating system onto a gaming console, and run an emulator for *another* operating system so... you can play games? Seems a bit silly to me...

now as i understand it... (1)

spyderbyte23 (96108) | more than 13 years ago | (#381478)

So the implication is that Sony has already done the porting, and this is a petition to ask them to release the port?

Why would they port Linux? Someone's pet project, or an official corporate effort? If they've got X running, it sounds like more than something one guy did over the weekend.

Re:This is stupid... (1)

Mr.Phil (128836) | more than 13 years ago | (#381479)

running X is different from 3D support, which would be needed for gaming of any great importance. I should have been clearer.

Re:Cheap (free) games (1)

DrQu+xum (218745) | more than 13 years ago | (#381480)

I'm still not going to go out to get a PS2 just so I can play {FreeCiv|starlanes|xpat2|dopewars|xstella|etc.} That's why I have an old SparcStation.

But if it runs Limewire...that's a different kettle of fish altogether. :)
Thus sprach DrQu+xum.

Possible use (1)

Arethan (223197) | more than 13 years ago | (#381481)

If you could get a hard-drive and an ethernet port hacked in there somewhere, it would almost be useful. (There's a bus extension port with an emtpy bay in the back of them, supposedly to be filled with either a modem or a hard-drive later.)

For it to be of any use at all though, you'd definitely need a keyboard device, and I don't think one is commercially available yet. (Please correct me if I'm wrong there.)

Anyways, with a HD, modem, and a keyboard, it could easily replace WebTV units using a linux based implementation. Or, you could swap the modem for ethernet and use it as a (fairly) low cost firewall for your PC's. :P

I'm sure someone will think of even more uses than that.

Game selection (3)

Fervent (178271) | more than 13 years ago | (#381487)

Star Wars Starfighter and DOA2

Uh, senor Taco, don't get those games. Star Wars Starfighter is like a bad TIE Fighter clone from the early 90s, and DOA2 has nothing interesting (unless you like bouncing computer-rendered breasts).

Instead, get SSX, which continues to rock even though it's a first-generation game. Also, pick up a few classic Playstation games for $20-30. Final Fantasy IX runs like a dream on the new system with the texture smoothing turned on.

For that matter, also pick up a Dreamcast at a rock bottom $100. There's a ton of great games out there like Sonic Adventure, NFL2K1 and Jet Grind Radio - innovative stuff. Also, a pickup a copy of Command and Conquer: Red Alert 2 while you're at it. It's highly underrated. And Deus Ex.

Ah, the joys of getting cheap used games at eBay. :)

what a selling point (1)

LetsRiot! (314931) | more than 13 years ago | (#381492)

It seems like this is a module that sony could put together for nothing, that would really help to sell the device. I'm not too familiar with the hardware, but if it has a modem they could claim it is an internet-ready computer, dvd player, and game system.

Linux in PS2 (1)

Husaria (262766) | more than 13 years ago | (#381494)

Well, why not? Its a rather good move in response to the X-box. This will give MS the idea of putting XP in X-box..or someone more primitive sort of system inside... Who said open source was bad? This will make MS try to use its own software in its X-box. But then, when people keep seeing blue screens of death...then watch the ps2s fly off the shelves. Plus, this would raise more awareness of Linux amongst those who ever heard of it.. "Open Source is Un-American!" Microsoft

Re:the playstation was developed on linux (2)

supabeast! (84658) | more than 13 years ago | (#381495)

"Sony did developed the play station on linux."

Acutally, the PS2 development box runs Linux. That is about all.

Re:over the counter drugs (1)

Mr2cents (323101) | more than 13 years ago | (#381496)

Some people just enjoy it more than playing a racing game. It's fun, too.

Re:XFree on MIPS (2)

UberLame (249268) | more than 13 years ago | (#381497)

XFree runs on linux on one or two Indy GFX options. The Indy uses a MIPS r4k or r5k processor.

Xfree also runs on DECStations running linux or NetBSD. Most DECstations use an R3000 processor, although R2k and R4k machines also exist. An fairly normal R3k derivative is what powers the PS1. The PS2 is powered by one fairly normal (36mhz) R3k, and 2 R3ks on steroids (running at nearly 300mhz).

Really, XFree will run on almost any 32bit CPU. The real problem is does it support the video hardware. Both Decstations and some SGIs run linux, but only a small number of the possible video cards are supported with either.

Someone set us up the boot disk (2)

acb (2797) | more than 13 years ago | (#381498)

Or, in the reported words of Saddam Hussein, all your PS2 are belong to us.

Re:XFree on MIPS (1)

Party Chief (61649) | more than 13 years ago | (#381499)

how about the real X11R6 from MIT?
compiled fine on my old DECStation 5000 (w/ MIPS R4400 CPU) back in the day when Digital wasn't Compaq...

Re:Oh boy - more Linux Goodness (2)

Erasmus Darwin (183180) | more than 13 years ago | (#381500)

And i'll use my Linux TV to switch between showing me my PS2, Dreamcast, Palm - All of course running linux.

You missed the obvious one -- a TiVo [tivo.com].

Is this really as far fetched as it would seem ? (1)

Claric (316725) | more than 13 years ago | (#381501)

In response to the Dreamcast running Windows CE Sony joked that the development kits for the Playstation 2 would run on Linux "so they have a stable foundation". I read this in PC Plus magazine back in 98 I think it was. It may have been Sony rubbing Sega and Microsoft up the wrong way for a cheap joke - maybe someone can enlighten me as to whether the Linux development kits was real or not.

Anyway, if this were true then surely a port to the PS2 would not be hard.

Claric
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Re:over the counter drugs (1)

Aggrazel (13616) | more than 13 years ago | (#381502)

Dude, Lighten up.

No one is going to see this as a serious app for the PS2, its like all the dreamcast hacking going on, its more for the, "Hey, cool, lets see if we can do this!" type people.

99.9% of PS2 owners aren't gonna care about the fact that some geek got linux to run on his, but then here's the .1% of the population reading slashdot going, Hey neat! Wanna telnet into my PS2? :)

Basic ? (1)

Quazion (237706) | more than 13 years ago | (#381503)

I read somewhere Sony was going to put a sort of PS2/basic programming language software with the machine so they would be seen as a Computer instead of a game console, cause its cheaper to import Computers into Europe then game consoles.

Yeah, its what i always wanted, to write my own 'Hello World' on my game console and then save it and show off at my friends, who als own a PS2..! isnt life great....

linux on ebooks too (2)

peter303 (12292) | more than 13 years ago | (#381508)

In the most part specialized computer appliances
such as ebooks, email machines, pdas, game baoxes, etc fail
because people keep on wanting to add full OS
functionality to them. So putting Linux-lite or
Window-lite on these is the way to go.
MicroSoft knows this well.

Re:Living Room Computing Solution (1)

Amokscience (86909) | more than 13 years ago | (#381509)

What we're going to get are set-top boxes. All-in-one devices that are hooked up to a broadband connection to deliver:

-streaming video
-video on demand
-web
-games
-karoke
-video phone
-video recording (tivo style)
-digital audio/"radio"
-cd-rw/jukebox
-DVD/vcd/divx player
-receiver
-builtin firewall/router
etc.

These are rolling out slowly as we speak. They're about the site of a digital cale box and probably will cost in the $500 range at first. Telecom and entertainment (Blockbuster) type places are probably the most interested companies.

They won't replace computers but they'll be huge leaps and bounds above webtv. We'll see how far the subscription model will take us.

Ad-hoc translation (1)

Ebi (323100) | more than 13 years ago | (#381511)

(Here's the translation of the first link relying solely on my japanese skillz...I'm a native Japanese...):

It all started when "Ogochan" was having following conversion with the president of SCE Inc. at the party held in Tokyo 2/2001:

Ogochan: I don't like games they have on PS2. I have PS2 but I only have PS2 games (WTF? this didn't make that much sense to me either).

Da President: Then make your own, please.

Ogochan: I would like to if I could. I wish I could use Linux for development.

Mr. President (ok I admit, I can't spell his name in English): We could release Linux for PS2 tomorrow, if we wanted to. But as you know, we need some outside motivation for doing such thing because it's not guranteed to generate much money (from doing so). We might consider (releasing it) if we get lots of mails asking for it.

(Ok I'm getting tired of doing this...but here's the mailing list that's doing the pettition: http://www.media-wing.com/pslinux/). I might finish this if no1 else volunteers.

This has already been said here. (2)

VC (89143) | more than 13 years ago | (#381513)

There was a slashdot article a few months ago that said that linux was ported to the playstation to avoid the UK's sales tax which says games consoles are taxed, but computers are not.

Re:Quick Translation (1)

ceranta (86805) | more than 13 years ago | (#381515)

i'm pretty sure it actually translates to:

"all your base are belong to us"

Thinking back to Iraq... (1)

MikeLRoy (246462) | more than 13 years ago | (#381516)

didn't they want PS1's to network to build a cheep, large computing system?

Maybe the US govt will make PS2's a munition if this is true...

-MR

Re:Babelfish won't help (1)

suwain_2 (260792) | more than 13 years ago | (#381518)

He he... I stopped reading after a while. My absolute favorite part:
well it started from the place where it is conversational with the party which inside the wood and capital

And coming in as my second favorite...
The PS2 having, however the ?, but the game of PS it is not, it is is ", Hisashi ? it is good the wood:

So there you have it... Babelfish: good the wood. It is not, it is is.

Oh, one more thing... I found some absurd mistake they made a while ago, so I sent something to their tech support department. I received a reply back, and traslated it to some foreign language and back. It mutilated their autosig -- something about the "preservation of knowledge" to something about the "persecution of knowledge".
_________________________________________________

Re:Babelfish won't help (1)

1Oman (308666) | more than 13 years ago | (#381520)

Finally we can get rid of that all your base crap and trade it for "It operates with the playstation 2 the linux" not only do I have to see that base crap on slashdit all day I was up town this morning and someone had written it on the chalk board at a local pizza joint.

Business write-off... (1)

moankey (142715) | more than 13 years ago | (#381523)

I guess you can if you are in the gaming industry or if you plan of setting up clients, such as Saddam Hussein, with a PSX2 with Linux for whatever purposes you can come up with. Although in my opinion the IRS is still scarier than MS.

Re:This is stupid... (1)

lukegalea1234 (250067) | more than 13 years ago | (#381525)

Well.. the ps2 doesn't have any internet access available right now, linux on ps2 could fix that. Plus we could start running some emulators for various other gaming consoles on the ps2.. and there is no way you can say that using an emulator on a pc is as good as actually hooking a console up to tv.. What it needs now is a harddrive though.. what good is linux with no storage space?

Nice save on the subject Taco... (1)

Mr.Phil (128836) | more than 13 years ago | (#381526)

by using the subject "Linux on the Playstation 2" Taco sure saved everyone from a whole lot of "Gee, I thought the PS/2 was supported for a long time." and "MCA all the way!" troll posts.

Instructions: (5)

Heutchy (73751) | more than 13 years ago | (#381528)

Since the PS2 doesn't have a built in keyboard, modem, or ethernet, I will tell you the instructions for enterring the Linux source into it.

Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A Start

Shhh! You heard it here first!

So its on there - now what? (1)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 13 years ago | (#381531)

Apart from the fact that you can go "neeeer, my PS2 is more stable than yours" what would you be able to do that would make a large number of people want to run Linux?

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Re:what a selling point (3)

grahamsz (150076) | more than 13 years ago | (#381535)

Sony dont want to sell the device!!!

PS2's cost them money - games and development licenses make them money

See the connection :)

Re:So its on there - now what? (2)

Erasmus Darwin (183180) | more than 13 years ago | (#381536)

what would you be able to do that would make a large number of people want to run Linux?

You'll get the same answer I used in the "Dreamcast running Linux" thread, namely you can theoretically use Linux as a means of developing and running your own games.

Much like the argument people were making about targetting Windows and doing a minimal effort X-box port (yes, I'm aware it does require some effort and that supposedly MS will demand that the X-box version has added stuff), you could theoretically do the same with Linux, Dreamcast, and Playstation 2.

Anyone wanna place bets on how long until someone manages to get Tux Racer [tuxracer.com] up and running on the PS2? It may be a ways off, but it'd still be a neat goal.

The only downside is that I'd (presumably) have to go through the trouble of mod-chipping my PS2. I'm not sure I want to invalidate the warranty just yet.

What I'd love... (1)

sangretoro (255104) | more than 13 years ago | (#381537)

What I'd love is to be able to load linux on my DC, connect it to my home ethernet LAN, boot games off of the hard drive on one of my other machines (kinda like the Dreamcast Mark II [slashdot.org], also discussed here [slashdot.org]), and use its spare processing power when it's not being used for gaming. It'd also be sweet to be able to play normal Linux games (both 3d and otherwise) on my DC. Anybody know what the status of LinuxDC [sourceforge.net] is?

Re:Oh boy - more Linux Goodness (1)

suwain_2 (260792) | more than 13 years ago | (#381538)

He he! I thought the whole thing was *supposed* to be a link to Chiquita... Seriously!
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Development station (1)

Kenzo (202914) | more than 13 years ago | (#381539)

I remember that one of the first development environments ran on Linux [slashdot.org]

Anyways Sony has always been pissed that they missed the computer revolution. Read the book We Were Burning [barnesandnoble.com] to understand why. The PS and PS2 was Sony's answer to sneaking a home computer into everyone's house. While most don't see the PS or even the PS2 as a home computer, the PS3 will definitely fit the description.

With Sony's little machine in every living room of America, Sony could be set to revolutionize the home computer market. And Linux, being free for Sony, could be the catalyst to do just that.

Eventually we will see a "proprietary" Sony operating system that runs on the Linux kernel. Whether it is on PS2 or the next incarnation is yet too be seen. Believe me Sony has much bigger plans then just a game machine.

Quick translation of top conversation (2)

Panther Cat (176766) | more than 13 years ago | (#381540)

Here's a quick 'n dirty translation of the top half of that Japanese page. It's a conversation snippet between a person named Ogo-chan and a department head (Hisada? Kuda?) at SCE Inc.

Ogo-chan: "PS2 games aren't interesting. I've got a PS2, but I don't play anything but PS games [on it]."

SCE dept. head: "Well, then you should make your own games. Please, feel free to make some."

Ogo-chan: "Well, yes, I'd like to make my own, but the development stuff is really expensive, so it'd be nice if Linux came out for it soon."

SCE dept. head: "A PS2 version of Linux could be released tomorrow if we wanted to, but since there wouldn't be any profit made from it for the company, we'd need some other motivation. If lots of users told us,'Release it soon!' we wouldn't not think about it... My address is written on my business card, so please send any mail etc. [there]."

Re:pointless? (1)

Lover's Arrival, THX (321421) | more than 13 years ago | (#381541)

Oh, the way you said that, you've really turned me on. Surely you do not believe that your comment is flamebait! You are one of the extraordinary net prophets! I would love to bear your child!

Please, come to Maine! I'm so lonely, and I'm good in bed! I promise! I'll even take a bath before you arrive!

I need sex so very badly! Ever since my ex boyfriend left me, I've been an empty shell. I need filled, filled by a real man!


You like to talk of sex and fucking

Re:This is stupid... (1)

jordan_a (139457) | more than 13 years ago | (#381542)

How about a MP3 CD player, standalone net browser, calculating pi, a Seti@home client. I mean there are a lot of possiblites, using network file systems you aren't even limited to just a read-only filesystem.

Re:This is stupid... (1)

Mr.Phil (128836) | more than 13 years ago | (#381544)

NFS SMB etc...

some things that might be better are support for the video in some kind of X, support for the sound

A subscriber e-mail list id (2)

metlin (258108) | more than 13 years ago | (#381545)

Umm... following one of those cryptic(!) led me to an e-mail address -

majordomo@media-wing.com?Body=subscribe ps-linux

Maybe it's a mailing list? How about mailing that dude/bot/whatever?!

"...Fear the people who fear your computer"

Will this be safe? (1)

AFCArchvile (221494) | more than 13 years ago | (#381546)

Running Linux on a machine with Rambus RAM? An open-source operating system running on ultra-proprietary RAM that was just made as a diversion for the legal eagles?

My prediction is that the resulting explosion would be similar to a matter-antimatter reaction.

XFree on MIPS (1)

rangek (16645) | more than 13 years ago | (#381547)

I didn't think XFree ran on MIPS. Of course it doesn't say that is what they used, but what else would they?

the playstation was developed on linux (1)

boletus (23454) | more than 13 years ago | (#381549)

Sony did developed the play station on linux. I am not sure what the native OS is but it might be linux

Living Room Computing Solution (3)

elbarsal (232181) | more than 13 years ago | (#381550)

People keep asking what the point is of running Linux or NetBSD on a Dreamcast or PS2 - I can only say that it goes a long way towards having a real living room computing solution.

Now, I don't mean a nice big PC monitor with a TV tuner (no, that's the home office / bedroom TV solution), rather, an easy way to run an MP3 jukebox and web browser from the couch in the living room, with a minimum of hardware, and an unobtrusive computing device (i.e. a small console like the DC or PS2).

Ed

Japanese Translation (5)

klops (5179) | more than 13 years ago | (#381551)

I read a little bit Japanese and Kanji...
I think the article basically say that
they got a quote from the chairman from SCE
saying "some" linux porting on PS2 is being done internally in SCE. Then they basically point
you to another link that has a signing compagin
that wishes SCE to release the port.

http://www.peanuts.gr.jp/pslinux/

If you WANT to sign it, goto the link,
click on the first sumbit button (that
goto the signing page)

On the signing page:
First Edit box is your Name, then the listbox
is Japan's states (I think).
Town, City, then your emailaddess & comment.

Re:You can still read it (1)

Eagle7 (111475) | more than 13 years ago | (#381554)

Finally... we know what the Zero Wing creators when they translated that infamous intro!

Will get translation (1)

moogla (118134) | more than 13 years ago | (#381555)

A friend of mine is at work now, but later tonight, will translate the article in full for the benefit of those who can't read Japanese. I can't wait.

Re:over the counter drugs (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 13 years ago | (#381556)

It may well be of little practical use, but with its USB ports to hook a hub up to I'd give better odds on Apache running on a PS2 than I would on Nintendo's second biggest draw after Mario doing so.

Re:Translation, courtesy TeleTranslator (1)

Dalroth (85450) | more than 13 years ago | (#381557)

This appears to be a word for word translation.

Unfortunately, Japanese word order is different than than English. Fortunately, Japenese word order is dead simple.

English is SUBJECT VERB OBJECT.
Japanese is SUBJECT OBJECT VERB.

Also, modifiers in japanese tend to come AFTER the words they modify (not before like in English).

Finally, not all Japanese and English words have direct translations (which would explain a lot of the bad Engrish in Japan).

The Japanese language's structure and grammar is very simple, hence why people who speak English as their first language tend to have a better grasp of Japanese than the Japanese of English since English is a clusterf*** of a language.

So, using these few prinicipals and the word for word not quite a translation of the above you should be able to make sense of it all. :)

Bryan

Re:Translation, courtesy TeleTranslator(say what?) (1)

GoRK (10018) | more than 13 years ago | (#381558)

It's not babelfish, it's TeleTranslator. I think that this is a standalone package. There are a couple EJ translation engines for the web. Sorry that specific addresses do not come to mind immediately.

At any rate, machine translation of informal or casually written Japanese is always going to sound a little weird mainly due to all the omited words and particles. AYBABTU is just a terrible translation by someone who didn't understand English verb forms. This is as good a translation as a machine can currently muster.

The general practice of machine translation of news articles and such is to translate then rewrite so it makes sense in the target language.

~GoRK

Just thought of this. Freeware/Opensource games! (2)

Arethan (223197) | more than 13 years ago | (#381559)

Anyone remember the old Net Yaroze [sony.com] project for the Playstation? (PSone) It was a way for hobbyists to write playstation games. For about $500, Sony provided you with a black console system (basically the same as the regular systems only it did not verify CD authenticity) and a bunch of C libraries for making system calls. I believe they even gave you a compiler, though it kind of sucked and you were better off buying Codewarrior for that aspect.

Well, we if get linux running on the PS2, and the whole thing is open sourced, then we'll have graphics and sound libraries put together in no time at all. Then anyone interested in writing games for the platform can do so. Just load the kernel and then have linux start your app right away. It probably wouldn't run as fast as some of the dedicated software (the kernel would probably eat a little bit of extra time here and there), but it would get the job done in most cases.

Just a thought.

Re:Instructions: (1)

kreyg (103130) | more than 13 years ago | (#381560)

Which ones are the A and B buttons again? All I know about are X, Circle, Square, Triangle, R1, R2, L1 and L2.

Damn you hackers and your non-standard custom-built controllers! It's a conspiracy I tell you, to keep the power of Linux from the common man! That's it, I'm writting a letter to my congressman. We're going to make it mandatory that Linux be available to ALL citizens on ALL devices with a microprocessor!

:-)

Oh boy - more Linux Goodness (2)

smatthew (41563) | more than 13 years ago | (#381561)

I personally think everything should run Linux. To that end - i resolve to purchase no more home entertainment devices or kitchen appliances that don't run linux. I want to be able to ask my toaster how the weather is in toledo and let my blender download a bananna shake recipie from . [www.chiqui...uitabanana]

And i'll use my Linux TV to switch between showing me my PS2, Dreamcast, Palm - All of course running linux.

Don't get me wrong, I love linux. From the /root of my HDA to the tip of my /home/smatthew/pron directory. But I don't need it everywhere. Just in my bedroom, living room, kitchen, car, and workplace. ;-}

But seriously - If i had money for a PS2 I would love to run Linux on it. ;-} Sweet!!!

mmmm - a beowulf cluster of PS2s and Dreamcasts

Re:This is stupid... (1)

Chakat (320875) | more than 13 years ago | (#381562)

Well, most video game consoles use higher-end graphics chips that are also used elsewhere in the industry; Sony is/was planning to sell a system with 4 PS2 processors in it as a graphics workstation. It's simply that the consumer-level hardware is so cheap and common that they can do most of the work there - it's easier to port to a more rare system when you can migrate a lot of stuff from a more common one.

Also, it's got a lot to do with the hack value.

Easy Ports (1)

miahrogers (34176) | more than 13 years ago | (#381565)

It'd be really cool to make cds that you can slap into a ps2 and boot Linux, then automatically boot up a game. You could then distribute tuxracer(and other open source and highly portable games) as ps2 games.
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