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HTC One X Phone Held by Customs Due to ITC Ruling

Unknown Lamer posted about 2 years ago | from the just-get-an-iphone-instead dept.

Android 101

zacharye writes, quoting BGR: "The launch of Sprint's flagship EVO 4G LTE has been delayed indefinitely and supply of AT&T's flagship HTC One X will be constrained as a result of ongoing patent disputes between HTC and Apple. HTC confirmed in a statement emailed to BGR on Tuesday evening that shipments of its new EVO 4G LTE and One X smartphones have been held up by United States Customs as part of an International Trade Commission investigation. Before the phones can clear Customs, the ITC will need to determine that HTC's new handsets are in compliance with an earlier ruling..."

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Google needs to stop this (-1, Troll)

AngryOldGuy (2639471) | about 2 years ago | (#40017417)

Ever since they bought out Motorola Mobility and started owning their own Android manufacturer, they've been bullying other handset makers with proxy wars via Motorola and Apple. Why anyone still uses Android, I don't know - maybe it would be good time to switch to proper Linux-based mobile OS like MeeGo. Or they could go with Windows Phone 7. Both OS have received nothing but praise and have big companies (Intel and Microsoft, respectively) backing them.

I know Google wants to see return for their Motorola Mobility investment but it's just sad that they do it cowardly via proxies. They should at least step forward and admit that this is fully about them wanting to control Android and the smart phone market. Of course, that would mean making the "Google" brand look bad, and that they don't want.

On that note, I find it really surprising that FTC and European Commission even allowed the Motorola Mobility to go through or that the other handset manufacturers haven't dropped Android yet. This will only mean problems to them and that should be quire clear to see. At least they should go with an OS that doesn't have vested interest towards its maker, like MeeGo or WP7.

Re:Google needs to stop this (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40017443)

Hey look, another bonch sockpuppet who posted an anti-Google rant within seconds of ths story hitting the front page. *golf clap*

Re:Google needs to stop this (3, Informative)

RaceProUK (1137575) | about 2 years ago | (#40017455)

What's Motorola got to do with this? This whole issue is because Apple is trying to screw HTC into the ground over patents.

Re:Google needs to stop this (-1, Troll)

AngryOldGuy (2639471) | about 2 years ago | (#40017477)

I explained it in the post.. This is actually Google using Apple as a proxy company to sue and destroy other Android manufacturers.

Re:Google needs to stop this (2)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | about 2 years ago | (#40017533)

I explained it in the post.. This is actually Google using Apple as a proxy company to sue and destroy other Android manufacturers.

That's quite the imagination you have there. It's almost as creative as all your sock puppet user names.

Re:Google needs to stop this (1)

crashumbc (1221174) | about 2 years ago | (#40017631)

I explained it in the post.. This is actually Google using Apple as a proxy company to sue and destroy other Android manufacturers.

That's quite the imagination you have there. It's almost as creative as all your sock puppet user names.

Especially considering the apple vs HTC lawsuit predates the Google acquisition of Motorola mobility by months/years...

Re:Google needs to stop this (1)

SadButTrue (848439) | about 2 years ago | (#40020387)

Ugg, I know you mean well and all but I never would have had to have seen that drivel if you hadn't responded :(

Re:Google needs to stop this (2)

RaceProUK (1137575) | about 2 years ago | (#40017543)

So Google's using their biggest rival in the market to kill a company that distributes phones with a Google-sourced OS.

That's like removing the wings from a plane to make it fly better.

Re:Google needs to stop this (-1)

AngryOldGuy (2639471) | about 2 years ago | (#40017601)

Yes, but only after they bought Motorola Mobility and went to the manufacturing business themselves. And there is no reason why Apple would not help them. It's a win-win situation, everybody wins (except for other Android manufacturers)

Re:Google needs to stop this (2)

RaceProUK (1137575) | about 2 years ago | (#40017667)

So Google wins because Apple crushes Android.

[DOES NOT COMPUTE]

*brain explodes*

Re:Google needs to stop this (-1)

AngryOldGuy (2639471) | about 2 years ago | (#40017741)

Google wins when other manufacturers but Motorola Mobility can no longer use Android. The only way to get to this is via patent lawsuits because as Android is based on open source code, they have to release the source too.

Google tried to play this game before by not allowing their store, maps etc on "non-licensed" devices, but it wasn't enough to do it. Now they go the dirty way.

Re:Google needs to stop this (1)

DrXym (126579) | about 2 years ago | (#40017841)

Well that's pretty much total bullshit. Google wins when it gets its services running on as many handsets as possible regardless of who manufactures them. They make money from monetizing users in terms of the data they gather and increasingly from selling apps and other content.

Re:Google needs to stop this (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | about 2 years ago | (#40017879)

So you're posting FROM THE FUTURE?

Interesting. You're saying Google will buy Motorola Mobility (not a bad prediction, given the wheels are in motion and they've declared their intent to), then SEND SERGEY BRIN back to THE YEAR 2011, whereupon he'll meet a dying Steve Jobs and say "Help us out here Jobsie ol' pall, I know you don't like us much, but if you could initiate a lawsuit against HTC, that'd help us bunches. Thank you!"

Now, some obvious questions:

1. What are you smoking?

2. The time travel thing: how does that work then?

3. Why would Jobs agree to help? He hates Google, IIRC.

4. Is James Cameron right? Will Sergey Brin need to steal clothes from someone after travelling back through time? Also: is there any danger of killer robots from the future coming through the same time portal with him?

5. If Google wants to hurt non-Motorola Mobility companies, wouldn't there be easier options, like, say, pulling their licenses to distribute Google Play?

6. I'm sorry, I just have to ask: Is it a wormhole thing? If so, how was it made? Did Google predict they may need this thing and send one end of a wormhole around the galaxy at a speed close to the speed of light, and use time dilation to create a time delta between the two ends, or is there something else they did?

7. Couldn't Google have gone back further in time and simply not licensed Android to HTC?

8. Is there any danger of a paradox being introduced? Is the multiverse theory right, or did Google already know that Steve Jobs would agree to this?

9. What was offered to Jobs? Presumably not a cure for his cancer, but there must have been something.

Thanks muchly,

Squiggie.

Re:Google needs to stop this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40021007)

so many words...

Re:Google needs to stop this (1)

RaceProUK (1137575) | about 2 years ago | (#40017607)

*wishes for edit button*

Just want to clarify, I'm not on whatever AngryOldGuy is on. The only drug I need is life. That, and videogames.

Re:Google needs to stop this (1)

PriceChild (1138463) | about 2 years ago | (#40017587)

I'm disappointed... I came here expecting to read more of this "parody"... You really were trying to suggest Google's behind it though weren't you. Ugh.

Re:Google needs to stop this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40017677)

WHAT IN HELL YOU BEEN SMOKING?

Common, Google haters, you can do best!

Re:Google needs to stop this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40025421)

What's Motorola got to do with this? This whole issue is because Apple is trying to screw HTC into the ground over patents.

This is exactly what you expect from the tossers@apple they have had their asses welliee good and hard caught out lying so now they will try and stop someone that is not lying just cus they think they can like i say tossers@apple.com
 

Re:Google needs to stop this (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#40017559)

>>>Why anyone still uses Android, I don't know - maybe it would be good time to switch to proper Linux-based mobile OS like MeeGo.

Do they sell them on my VirginMobile provider?

>>>Or they could go with Windows Phone 7 :-o
I'd rather use open-source Android.

Re:Google needs to stop this (1)

RaceProUK (1137575) | about 2 years ago | (#40017619)

Windows Phone 7's not bad actually, though I understand why most /.ers are staying away from it ;)

Re:Google needs to stop this (2)

mcgrew (92797) | about 2 years ago | (#40020317)

I'd stay away from it because it has "Microsoft" and "Windows" in the name. I simply don't like the Windows Way. I don't want an OS or program to be friendly, I want it to be obediant. I want it to do what I want it to do and I want it to do it like I want, not how some developer wants. I don't want shiny if it means less workable.

Too bad they don't put the people who did Excel on their Windows team, Excel is actually the best spreadsheet out there.

Re:Google needs to stop this (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | about 2 years ago | (#40021001)

Same reason I don't use iOS devices... the lockdown is a bit much for my tastes... Though WinPhone is really nice (have done some dev work with/for it).

Re:Google needs to stop this (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40017567)

Fuck off, bonch.

Re:Google needs to stop this (1)

gorzek (647352) | about 2 years ago | (#40018237)

I'll give you credit for coming up with one of the more amusing conspiracy theories I've heard recently.

Re:Google needs to stop this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40018889)

I think Zork had this one handled best:

Kill troll with sword.

Boycott Apple (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40017459)

It's clear that Apple is an evil company, bent on destroying its competition through incessant lawsuits.

Steve Jobs said he would attack Android with lawyers to his last breath.

Fortunately, Steve Jobs is dead.

Unfortunately Apple's legal team is still alive, and still fighting competition in the sleaziest way possible.

Every dollar that you spend on Apple products feeds this evil legal machine. Buying Apple products funds more evil than purchasing cocaine or even paying taxes.

Re:Boycott Apple (4, Funny)

berashith (222128) | about 2 years ago | (#40017597)

Please do not think that a massive intake of cash by the lawyers in this case doesnt lead to quite a bit of cocaine purchasing power. Thats right kids, a dollar spent on apple products buys at least 10 cents of cocaine.

Re:Boycott Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40019035)

10 cents?!? Is that all?

Worst. Lawyer. Ever.

can't do it (3, Funny)

OrangeTide (124937) | about 2 years ago | (#40017681)

I would boycott Apple, but they are preventing us from buying Android phones.

Re:can't do it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40017791)

I would boycott Apple, but they are preventing us from buying Android phones.

I have been boycotting Apple for a while and will keep doing so. They are evil and doesn't work well with others.

And you can still buy plenty of Android phones as is. Might not be the better ones, but still something other than Windows phones and Apple.

Re:can't do it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40018715)

if by "better" you mean "more distracting" then yes, there aren't a ton of alternatives to apple at the moment; but there's no way I'm buying an iphone after my experience with an itouch ended because they told me so.... can't continue upgrading, no legacy versions of aps for those of us stuck on "outdated" (but still powerful enough to do anything you want) devices. Oh, and aps that update and take away features that were once free so they can charge for them or put in ads... Great contribution to the world.

Re:can't do it (1)

noh8rz3 (2593935) | about 2 years ago | (#40021055)

what ipod touch are you using? I have a second generation model from ~2008 or 2009, and it upgraded to ios5 no problem. As for apps, I've read a couple cases of malicous updates, but generally speaking the apps that do that are spanked in the press / blogosphere. what apps have you had a problem with in this regard?

Re:Boycott Apple (1, Troll)

JosKarith (757063) | about 2 years ago | (#40017691)

Having been picked on at the start, Apple has become one of the biggest bullies on the block. It's as if the Ugly Duckling rather than go swanning (heh) around saying "Look how pretty I am" decided "Right, now I'm 4x the size of those bastards who picked on me. Time for some payback" and went on a revenge spree.

Re:Boycott Apple (2, Interesting)

ArcherB (796902) | about 2 years ago | (#40017781)

Having been picked on at the start, Apple has become one of the biggest bullies on the block. It's as if the Ugly Duckling rather than go swanning (heh) around saying "Look how pretty I am" decided "Right, now I'm 4x the size of those bastards who picked on me. Time for some payback" and went on a revenge spree.

This is one of those very rare times were I want to see some hacker group take Apple down. Certainly some "Anonymous" guy was looking forward to his new OneX.

Re:Boycott Apple (1)

JosKarith (757063) | about 2 years ago | (#40025961)

Oh what a surprise, we both got Troll mods. I love how rabid Apple fanbois get when they believe their darling is under attack. It's such a beautiful mirror of Apple's extremely agressive defensiveness - no dissent can be permitted under any circumstances.
And trust me, if I was trolling you would know about it.

Re:Boycott Apple (2)

I'm just joshin (633449) | about 2 years ago | (#40021813)

Apple has always been a bully. From "Look and Feel" lawsuits, to creating then killing clone machines, and now patent trolling...

Re:Boycott Apple (1)

EvilBudMan (588716) | about 2 years ago | (#40018071)

They can't do this so easy though as I'm sure that Samsung, Motorola, HTC, and Google combined have more patents than Apple. Wait until they all respond in kind. Then no one wins but the lawyers. It's MADD. Is Apple nuts?

Re:Boycott Apple (2, Insightful)

Quila (201335) | about 2 years ago | (#40018265)

Apple already destroyed the competition by having a superior product. Symbian, Microsoft and Blackberry phones began a steep decline after the iPhone was introduced, and before any lawsuits. In all markets where there is no legal restriction to selling competing tablets, the iPad still rules.

Then why all the patent scams? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40018483)

If Apple won purely on quality, and consumer demand, then Apple would need all the patent scams.

Re:Then why all the patent scams? (1)

Quila (201335) | about 2 years ago | (#40020103)

If Apple won purely on quality, and consumer demand, then Apple would need all the patent scams.

They did win on quality and consumer demand. They were 25% of the US smartphone market within two and a half years of release (one new vendor on one carrier vs. multiple established vendors on all carriers), and wouldn't file their first offensive iPhone lawsuit for another couple months.

I do see a difference. Microsoft threatened HTC and others with a lawsuit if they didn't pay because Microsoft was on the bottom, bleeding smartphone marketshare like mad, and wanted a piece of the action of those who were making money like any troll would.

Apple sued when they were doing quite well and still rising fast. If anything, the suits have hurt Apple's bottom line with millions of dollars in legal fees spent and little if any extra iPhone sales to show for it, or really any damage to competing product sales (until now). Apple sued because Jobs was tired of other companies riding on Apple's coattails. Post-Jobs Apple management is even talking about settling because how much these suits are bleeding Apple's money. Jobs wouldn't settle because for him it was about principle, not about money, which is really a rather emotional, unprofessional position for a CEO to be taking.

Re:Boycott Apple (1)

sociocapitalist (2471722) | about 2 years ago | (#40018511)

"It's clear that Apple is an evil company, bent on destroying its competition through incessant lawsuits."

Do you know of any publicly held companies that aren't even and bent on destroying their competition using all means available including but limited to incessant lawsuits?

Re:Boycott Apple (4, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | about 2 years ago | (#40019409)

Do you know of any publicly held companies that aren't even and bent on destroying their competition using all means available including but limited to incessant lawsuits?

You can't be serious.

The vast majority of publicly held companies go about their business without trying to kill off the competition.
Doing so is a costly distraction, which seldom ever succeeds. Its far more often found that big companies form
trade associations and collude than go after each other with daggers. Having competition is very useful.
Not having competition simply invites regulation. That's why MacDonalds gets along with Burger King,
AT&T and Verizon share tower space, Union Pacific and Burlington Pacific and Santa Fe share tracks, Bayer
cross licenses with Pfizer.

Your assumption that all publicly traded companies are in a death struggle suggests a hopelessly paranoid
view of corporations that seems to be in vogue today.

Re:Boycott Apple (1)

sociocapitalist (2471722) | about 2 years ago | (#40019633)

I am perfectly serious.

Companies make deals with companies all the time, so what. Take Apple (sic) and Samsung for instance. Samsung is a primary vendor of product to Apple and yet they have lawsuits going back and forth constantly.

Companies of all sizes uses lawsuits to delay or stop their competitors all the time. Larger companies with deeper pockets will often sue individuals or smaller companies with smaller pockets with annoying and perhaps not winnable lawsuits to scare them into line.

Corporations have one goal and only one. To make money. They just don't care about anything else because at the end of the day all their investors look at is how much profit they make.

Show me a single instance of a publicly held corporation giving all its profits away and I'll agree that I have a hopelessly paranoid view of corporations.

Re:Boycott Apple (1)

icebike (68054) | about 2 years ago | (#40019705)

Wait, wait wait...moving goalpost sighted.

Giving all money away? Where did that come from? How is that possibly germane?

Corporations have far more than one goal in mind, and making money is at bes number two or three on the list.
If ALL that mattered was making money, Pfizer would stop wasting money making Viagra and start building smartphones or
opening Casinos in Vegas.

BNSF does not try to run UP or CN out of business.

Re:Boycott Apple (1)

sociocapitalist (2471722) | about 2 years ago | (#40026513)

Giving away all profits would show some selflessness, would indicate something other than a concern for the bottom line. It's something that even rich humans do on occasion but it is not something that is even imaginable for a corporation.

Consider what happens to company executives who don't make maximum profit for their company. They're fired.

Making money is always the primary concern if not the only real concern. Pfizer's core business is drugs of course they're not going to branch out into cell phones or casinos. I don't see what this has to do with Pfizer caring about anything other than money anyway.

I'm sitting across from a guy who works for a major American company. He has to get VP authorization for travel expenses. Waste of time for the VP (or admin as likely) aside, he tried to get travel auth to fly from Torino, Italy where he lives to Amsterdam where we are working this week and was told to drive 2 hours each way to Milano because the flight was 30 euros cheaper.

Every company tries to take away market share from their competitors and at the end of the day they exist only for one reason (from their own perspective) - to 'increase shareholder value' - just another way of saying 'make money'.

You have said absolutely nothing to indicate otherwise.

Re:Boycott Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40019003)

And giving Google money just supports massive privacy invasions across the 'net. You have your evil, and I have mine.

BTW, Apple didn't start this charade of lawsuits, it started with Nokia, and Apple is a defendant in more Lawsuits than it is a plaintiff. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Yes, because it totally looks like an iphone (2, Funny)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about 2 years ago | (#40017469)

I could even mistake the HTC logo at the top, and the bottom row of hardware buttons for an early ipad. Totally.

Re:Yes, because it totally looks like an iphone (4, Funny)

Moheeheeko (1682914) | about 2 years ago | (#40017743)

B-b-b-but....the round corners!

ROUND

CORNERS

Re:Yes, because it totally looks like an iphone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40019405)

B-b-b-but....the round corners!

ROUND

CORNERS

Pssst breasts are roundish and feel better. Try it. Just make sure she knows and you have her permission first.

Now that you have done that, you should be ok with some not as round phones.

Re:Yes, because it totally looks like an iphone (1)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#40019339)

I know you're trolling, but actually, Apple's lawsuit against HTC is over certain software patents related to URL handling and so on, not what the phone looks like. It's even thinner ice than a design patent suit.

Either way, it's amusing to see the "zomg Apple is evil!" comments on this story contrasted with the "haha good on Samsung, totally legit!" when the reverse was the case in Germany and Apple had to pull products.

In my opinion it's all just getting ridiculous, with some of these suits hinging on the most trivial nonsense. No one except the lawyers are benefiting from this.

Re:Yes, because it totally looks like an iphone (1)

darthdavid (835069) | about 2 years ago | (#40020937)

The Apple is evil comments are because Apple fired the first salvo in this war. Yes, most of the suits on either side are nonsense, but its only understandable to enjoy seeing a bully get hoisted by their own petard...

Re:Yes, because it totally looks like an iphone (1)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#40021731)

I suppose that depends what you consider the opening salvo to be? Nokia vs Apple? Samsung vs Apple? HTC vs Apple? Microsoft vs Google? Motorola vs Apple?

So did HTC (1)

future assassin (639396) | about 2 years ago | (#40017561)

sell these to Sprint knowing they would be held up at customs and possibly not be able to sell them in the US?

Re:So did HTC (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40017633)

sell these to Sprint knowing they would be held up at customs and possibly not be able to sell them in the US?

Inasmuch as the act of "selling a phone better than the iPhone outside of Apple's release schedule" seems to be enough to get your phone's sales stopped by Apple these days, I suppose the answer is technically "yes".

Re:So did HTC (5, Informative)

icebike (68054) | about 2 years ago | (#40019535)

sell these to Sprint knowing they would be held up at customs and possibly not be able to sell them in the US?

Actually MILLIONS already entered the country and were sold by AT&T and independent retailers. Only when this phone started taking
serious sales away from Apple did they start complaining.

HTC has long ago removed the offending patent item [bgr.com] . (And Apple ultimately lost on all other claims in this particular suit.) A single item in the '694 patent [google.com] was upheld, namely having a url sent in a text message be treated as a real url and launching the browser when tapped. (My ancient Razr feature phone did that - sans the tapping part).

FUUUUUCK (0)

doston (2372830) | about 2 years ago | (#40017591)

Was able to order the Evo yesterday, but doubt I'll get it now. I'll never get it EVER NEVER EVER NEVER NEVER EVER H8888 APPLE!!!! Alright, I'm mostly kidding, but I did want my fucking phone.

Step 2 discovered... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40017717)

Step 1: Create mediocre, over-priced smart phone to leverage absurdly loyal fan-base, using components from popular MP3 player.
Step 2: Claim to have invented every aspect of smart phone technology, and sue into oblivion anyone who dares to threaten your market share by creating superior products.
Step 3: Profit.

Re:Step 2 discovered... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40017921)

Step 2 has been around for a long time.

Just replace smart phone technology with any other invention.

Re:Step 2 discovered... (1, Insightful)

Quila (201335) | about 2 years ago | (#40018717)

Create mediocre, over-priced smart phone to leverage absurdly loyal fan-base

You do realize that most buyers were not Apple fans, right? In fact, the term "halo effect" was coined in this context to describe people who became Apple fans because of buying iPhones, making them more likely to buy Apple computers.

using components from popular MP3 player.

There was pretty much no hardware or software in common with the iPod of the time when the iPhone was released.

sue into oblivion anyone who dares to threaten your market share by creating superior products.

The marketshare and insane profits came before the lawsuits. Those lawsuits appeared because of copycat products. Android is a perfect example. Early prototypes were Blackberry copies, and then when the iPhone got popular, they switched to copying the iPhone. If not for the iPhone, RIM would probably be the one suing Android makers over the copycat issue.

Re:Step 2 discovered... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40019231)

In fact, the term "halo effect" was coined in this context to describe people who became Apple fans because of buying iPhones, making them more likely to buy Apple computers.

There's a problem with how you define one or more of the following:
fact [reference.com]
halo effect [wikipedia.org]
was [dict.org]
coined [phrases.org.uk]

Do you, by any chance, work for Apple? (If not, keep in mind that you might be very positively received as an Apple job applicant.)

Re:Step 2 discovered... (1)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#40019471)

Ah, only on slashdot can someone with a dissenting opinion, laid out in similar style to the post its replying to be classified as a paid astroturf.

I assume you're not going to accuse the GGP post of being an anti-Apple shill?

Didn't think so.

Either way, the assertion that the iPhone only sold to "absurdly loyal fans" is disproved by simple numbers - it has sold in far greater numbers than the total number of Apple Mac computers that exist, and continues to do so. Far more than could be attributed to the "absurdly loyal fans" buying multiple phones.

The iPhone has been a successful product for a number of reasons, which include it *actually being a good smartphone*. Dismissing anyone who dares to point that out as a paid astroturfer is just childish and smacks of the fingers-in-ears "la la la I'm not listening" argument.

The GP post misused the term for a product that acts as a positive experience of a brand that then results in further purchases - I would more accurately describe it as a gateway product. However, dismissively directing him to the definitions of a verb (and fucking something as simple as making a link) really doesn't do your argument any good. I can see why you forgot to log in.

Re:Step 2 discovered... (1)

Quila (201335) | about 2 years ago | (#40019647)

There's a problem with how you define one or more of the following:
fact
halo effect

Fact: Most original iPhone buyers were not current Apple fans, or even product owners. Apple had $1.2 billion in yearly sales in Asia, Latin America and Eastern Europe before the iPhone. The iPhone's release drove that up to $22 billion the next year.

Halo effect was coined: You need to understand the definition of context, as in the how the term "halo effect" was used in this context.

Re:Step 2 discovered... (2)

domatic (1128127) | about 2 years ago | (#40020829)

The marketshare and insane profits came before the lawsuits. Those lawsuits appeared because of copycat products. Android is a perfect example.

Um......no.

http://www.osnews.com/story/25264/Did_Android_Really_Look_Like_BlackBerry_Before_the_iPhone_ [osnews.com]

Re:Step 2 discovered... (2)

Quila (201335) | about 2 years ago | (#40022755)

Do I have the timeline wrong here?

Apple begins working on iPhone in 2005

Google buys Android in 2005

Apple announces iPhone in January 2007

May 2007, Blackberry-like Android prototypes are available for internal use (Horowitz says he's been using his for six months). This phone looks like the phone in the first SDK phone emulators.

Apple releases iPhone June 2007

Sometime before November 2007, an obviously unfinished full-screen Android device with very limited touch capabilities is ready for a demonstration. Notice the menus are still key-based like the Blackberry and no on-screen typing is done.

October 2008, the first Android phone, the HTC Dream, is released with Android 1.0. It functions a lot more like an iPhone than anything we've previously seen. Blackberry-like Android phones are nowhere to be seen.

Patent In Question? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40017793)

Can't find any info yet on the patent in question, but Apple had won a patent ruling back in December. HTC was suppose to resolve it to avoid an import ban. Here are the details.

The patent in question, 5,946,647 was granted in 1999 and covers identifying data "having recognizable structures," such as a "phone number, post-office address, e-mail address, and name." Then, the patent says, a "parsing process" will allow "appropriate actions" to be taken

If this is still the issue, thank god that the courts are there to protect inventors of such important magnitude. It's horrible to think that someone who could come up with the idea of parsing a phone number would not be adequately compensated. I can't imagine how much R&D Apple has spent in the process. An import ban is the only appropriate resolution.

BTW, in this legal case, Apple had sued for 10 separate patents. Out of the 10, this is the only one that the courts upheld. I can't imagine what the other 9 were like.

Re:Patent In Question? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40018303)

The patent was filed in 1996. The C2 wiki [c2.com] has been doing this since 1995. Camel case words are automatically converted to hyperlinks. (And coincidentally, the next Slashdot story is an interview with its inventor, Ward Cunningham.) Shortly afterwards, I copied the idea in my company's issue tracking system. Identifiers like "Q1234" were automatically converted to hyperlinks to the page describing the issue.

I know Apple's patent isn't exactly the same thing, but once you've had the idea of recognising things in plain text the rest is obvious. Fuck Apple.

Re:Patent In Question? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40019303)

9,553,216: Method and system for displaying items on an electronic display screen.
9,596,652: Method and system for using a unit of central processing in an electronic device for mathematical calculation.
8,013,917: Method and system for facilitating user-to-user communications over a cellular network.
8,213,211: Method and system for brushing metal.
8,753,197: Method and system for combining disparate accounts into a centralized database.
9,353,869: Method and system for allowing a user to change text shapes and styles in an electronic system.
9,733,022: Method and system for integrating hipster pheromones in the casting of electronic devices
8,267,701: Method and system for manufacturing electronic devices with rounded corners.
9,161,357: Method and system for creating an electronic device with no power button and a non replaceable power source.

OMG (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | about 2 years ago | (#40025623)

I just realised my VoIP system is infringing on this patent too, you know parsing the data it is getting and then redirecting calls appropriately based on the structure of the number it receives.

Actually Apple should call AT&T. I believe they've been doing something similar since the second world war. That's a lot of royalties to collect. Bonus points for getting AT&T banned in America.

Which hand? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40017865)

Which hand are they holding it in. It really does matter.

Worry about the old phones (1)

Woogiemonger (628172) | about 2 years ago | (#40017869)

Hey HTC, maybe you can upgrade the last glut of ICS-capable phones to ICS before you worry about selling your latest and greatest to us? I thought it was a no-brainer that my fully-capable myTouch 4G slide would be upgraded to ICS when I bought the phone 8 months ago. My next phone will not be an HTC one, let alone a One X.

Re:Worry about the old phones (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about 2 years ago | (#40017937)

Pretty sure you don't understand their business model.

Re:Worry about the old phones (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 2 years ago | (#40019599)

If you're pissing off your customers, your business model is pretty damned weak.

Re:Worry about the old phones (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about 2 years ago | (#40019753)

Old customers, not new customers.

HTC doesn't make any money if you have the latest & greatest version of Android.

Re:Worry about the old phones (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40018025)

So you demand continous free software upgrades from every hardware vendor you buy stuff from?

HTC provides rooting methods for all their phones since the last 2 years. Do your ICS upgrade yourself and stop making off-topic posts

Re:Worry about the old phones (2)

scot4875 (542869) | about 2 years ago | (#40018731)

The problem with the ICS upgrades for these phones is that there are no ICS-compatible binary drivers available for the radios on them, and no hardware vendors (to my knowledge) release the source code for their radio drivers. So until an official ICS build is released by the manufacturer that the drivers can be extracted from, it'll be impossible to get ICS running on them. So it's not just a matter of "Do your ICS upgrade yourself".

I haven't personally done any kernel development, so I may be oversimplifying this, but I've never understood why nobody is able to write a translation layer that sits between newer kernels and older drivers. It seems to me that it would be easy enough to just use the 2.3.x drivers as long as they provide the required functionality for the 4.0.x kernels -- or, if there's unsupported stuff in the older drivers, at least provide degraded functionality that matched what older Android versions were capable of.

--Jeremy

Re:Worry about the old phones (2)

emuls (1926384) | about 2 years ago | (#40019101)

PRETTY sure he isn't demanding anything. If he was (like me) coming from an iPhone to an android phone, then yes software updates are expected. When they don't come of course you are going to be disappointed. I was promised a software update to my phone "within the next couple months" when I bought it. It came with 2.2, by time I got 2.3 NINE MONTHS LATER 4.0 was already out. I went back to my 3gs iphone. It's over 3 years old and running the latest iOS just fine. It actually works better than my year old android phone. Oh, and every app doesn't install unnecessary battery draining/resource hogging services that start up automatically every time I launch the app and don't close when I close the app.

Re:Worry about the old phones (2)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#40019585)

So you demand continous free software upgrades from every hardware vendor you buy stuff from?

HTC provides rooting methods for all their phones since the last 2 years. Do your ICS upgrade yourself and stop making off-topic posts

Well, there's the rub. Android is meant to be a decent competitor to iOS (and it is) but the sort of crap foisted on the user base by handset makers who simply abandon the old models without providing an upgrade path to the newer versions of Android only takes away from that.

It's likely the main reason that such a tiny percentage of Android handsets are running ICS (compared to a large proportion of iOS devices being at the most current main release [iOS 5] of that operating system, even if they're not all on the same point release). ICS is touted as being the serious competitor to everything iOS has to offer, and I don't doubt it, but it's hardly making Apple shake when it's just not really seen in the wild in large numbers.

It's not "off topic" to discuss a potential criticism of the Android ecosystem, unless you're simply unable to bear that anyone give it anything other than glowing praise. The abandoning of older handsets to outdated versions of Android (some of them more than 2 major revisions back) is one of the things that Android needs to address. It's not inflammatory (or demanding) to point that out.

Re:Worry about the old phones (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 2 years ago | (#40025365)

Well, there's the rub. Android is meant to be a decent competitor to iOS (and it is) but the sort of crap foisted on the user base by handset makers who simply abandon the old models without providing an upgrade path to the newer versions of Android only takes away from that.

Android fragmentation? Blame Microsoft. Seriously. As evidenced in the B&N ordeal, MS's Linux Extortion agreement stipulations require the phone manufacturers re-up the ante and pay more for each version of Android the MFGs push out on a device. THIS is why older hardware is lagging behind. Not that they don't want to push out newer OS updates, but that they have to pay the MS Tax each time they do so. I mean, the hardware's not THAT different on new models, the differences are minimal in the software changes needed, and Linux is designed to easily run on devices with different hardware, Android's Davlik takes care of the rest of the hardware abstraction... It's necessary to pay the extortion fees to get the OS on new hardware, but the cost / benefit doesn't pan out for existing models.

I do agree that it may be a MFG forced obsolescence tactic to keep OS updates off the phones -- However, before MS got involved they'd still push out a few updates before cutting them off... So, the reality is there's more than just the MFGs to blame: They're not the only factor to consider.

Fortunately Google sees the issue and is trying to do something about it. They'll be trying a different distribution model whereby MS would have to forge an agreement with Google (or sue them) to enforce the MS tax on Android that's helping to prevent the updates. Just try it. I've seen the patents they're using. They're all bogus. If the Oracle BS going on right now is any indication, Google won't just back down when confronted with bogus patents.

Re:Worry about the old phones (2)

PAPPP (546666) | about 2 years ago | (#40019945)

Hello fellow MT4GS owner, allow me to introduce you the magic of community ROMs. I've been running an unofficial CM9 build from here [xda-developers.com] on mine recently, and it only has a handful of bugs. The current builds are using a 2.6 kernel because the 3.0 tree isn't playing nice with the keyboard. It is a completely open community project, so you can watch progress on the TeamDS github page [github.com] .
It sucks that HTC and/or T-Mobile aren't providing us with an official ICS ROM, but when you buy a phone you are buying that phone, assuming you will be getting major updates is a sure path to disappointment. This isn't specific to Android, Apple drops iOS hardware from being supported in new versions approximately two years after release. Manufactures have a double incentive not to provide updates for devices in the cost and complexity of supporting old devices and the encouragement to buy new hardware that not providing updates brings. At least with Android you get snazzy community projects because the parts are open.

It's always nice to see companies compete (1)

Apharmd (2640859) | about 2 years ago | (#40018169)

on the strength of their products. Well played Apple, well played.

Re:It's always nice to see companies compete (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40018597)

If HTC had a superior product, the U.S. government wouldn't be preventing them from selling their phones due to an absolutely ridiculous patent.

Instead, they are losing out because their product is inferior to the iPhone. That's how capitalism and the free market works, bitches. Apple forever, everything else NEVAR!

Woo-hoo! The patent scam company wins again! (1)

walterbyrd (182728) | about 2 years ago | (#40018515)

Apple zealots everywhere are cheering. Amazing how much other companies allow Apple to get away with.

Re:Woo-hoo! The patent scam company wins again! (1)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#40019627)

Well, I guess it's the Apple Zealots turn, after all the Android Zealots were cheering after Apple's handsets were held back from sale in Germany. It's not really a case of "other companies allowing" Apple to get away with things - that would be the legal system.

Personally I think it's all just getting stupid - most of these patent suits are bullshit, on both sides.

Apple keeps this up they'll be minus one customer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40018603)

I like my Macbook but I like my HTC Desire S and my Gentoo box more. Don't make me choose Apple.

As a side note (2)

doston (2372830) | about 2 years ago | (#40018707)

If you were unlucky enough to put in a pre order for the Evo with Sprint, there's no way to get a refund. You're just stuck, with your money tied up, waiting for patent disputes that could take forever.

Re:As a side note (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40020143)

What pay? I preordered - I pay on delivery.

Re:As a side note (1)

aquadood (769082) | about 2 years ago | (#40020233)

The sprint pre-order required payment up front... sadly. I was about to do this until I saw I had to pay, then wait on the phone. Thankfully, my logical side asked me to wait.

Re:As a side note (1)

doston (2372830) | about 2 years ago | (#40020787)

The sprint pre-order required payment up front... sadly. I was about to do this until I saw I had to pay, then wait on the phone. Thankfully, my logical side asked me to wait.

Worst pre-order *ever*. -Comic book guy

Re:As a side note (1)

WilliamGeorge (816305) | about 2 years ago | (#40020165)

Are you sure of that? Granted, I've never done a pre-order with them... but every encounter I have had with Sprint's customer service has been excellent. Maybe you could try having them switch you over to the Galaxy Nexus? I just got two - one for me and one for the wife - and we love them.

Apple feels threatened. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40020533)

Only reason this is happening is because apple is a petty and jealous company that will do everything they can to cheat, lie, extort and bullie any and all competition into bankruptcy.

Apple knows that android based devices are cheaper, do the exact same thing their products do and are more open ended to let customers do more things on their devices. And they are scared of competition. So instead of improving their prices, improving their quality and letting the paying customer have more freedom with their device they instead try to bully android every chance they can.

There isnt a apple device that doesnt have a cheaper, better and more user friendly version. Most of them are based on android.

I do not and will not support apple. The only reason they are even in business is because they hit a home run with marketing and have managed to turn an entire generation into apple zealots who buy the products just because it has a apple logo on it.

Under the wire.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40022873)

Looks like I got my HTC One X just in time... these patent lawsuits (in some cases) are getting ridiculous...

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