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Apple Tells Siri To Stop Recommending Nokia

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the pick-the-other-guy dept.

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judgecorp writes "Apple has changed the answer Siri gives to the question 'What is the best smartphone ever?' to prevent the voice-driven assistant from promoting the Nokia Lumia 900. Originally Siri trawled online reviews on the web, using the Wolfram Alpha search engine, to come up with the Lumia, much to Apple's embarrassment. Now, Apple has intervened, replacing that answer with a joke: 'Wait there are other phones?'"

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Not just Apple (4, Insightful)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019783)

Do a search [google.com] on Google for "What is the best web browser" and guess what, you'll get a nice list of reviews, every single one of which lists Google Chrome as the best web browser. Oddly enough, if you do the same search in Bing, you get a few [consumersearch.com] results [hubpages.com] that don't seem to show up near the top of the Google search.

Basically, never look for objective information from someone who has their own horse in the race. I would no more trust Apple with advice on computer or smartphone purchasing advice than I would trust Norton with advice on the best anti-virus software.

Re:Not just Apple (5, Informative)

smg5266 (2440940) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019831)

I searched "best web browser" on Google and the second result was mozilla.org

Re:Not just Apple (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40019895)

Interesting. Second result for me is Opera, and I'm a Chrome user.

Re:Not just Apple (2)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020319)

I just get a bunch of paid advertisements (both bing and google), followed by general reviews.

Re:Not just Apple (4, Interesting)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020013)

Just did the same, Mozilla is the second spot. Spot #5 says "You really can't go wrong with any Web browser choice these days. Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer, Opera, and Safari, all are fast, standards ..."

The thing is, if Google gives you bogus results they're going to lose your eyeballs; that's one of many things that makes Google superior to Bing. Bad search results hurt their bottom line, while Siri's answers aren't going to stop anybody from buying another iPhone.

Re:Not just Apple (5, Interesting)

Sir_Sri (199544) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020169)

Not yet anyway. If someone else comes out with a better equivalent to Siri, or Siri starts producing terrible results that aren't for gimmicky questions people will drop it like a rock.

Imagine if you could inject ads directly into Siri for example, queries would give preferential results based on the location you queried from and common terms were bid for (say optometrist, and the highest bidding optometrist within 10Km would get their result) that could, in the long run, seriously undermine the credibility of a project like Siri. Right now it's experimental, it can fail humourously and no one gets to fussed about it. But if there are competitors on the market, that could be a problem.

Re:Not just Apple (1)

bhcompy (1877290) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020583)

Just an FYI, Tellme is just as good as Siri

Re:Not just Apple (4, Funny)

madhi19 (1972884) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020569)

Plus if Google were to game the search this way they get into anti-trust and anti-competition territory while we all know Apple can do no wrong.

Re:Not just Apple (5, Insightful)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020199)

(shrug). Google and Bing always come-up with different results.

What concerns me more is that Apple deliberately made Siri less-useful to the owner. What happens if you ask, "What is the best computer?" Or "What is the best MP3 player?" Or "What is the best tablet for reading books?" Now I have to wonder if Apple will censor those answers too. I buy a computer, or laptop, or phone, to help ME out with attaining knowledge not to serve the corporate master who built the computer/laptop/phone.

Re:Not just Apple (2)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020269)

I buy a computer, or laptop, or phone, to help ME out with attaining knowledge not to serve the corporate master who built the computer/laptop/phone.

"You're doing it wrong, sinner. Send us a load of money as your penance." - Apple.

Re:Not just Apple (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40020537)

So basically you're complaining because nepotism is no longer in the domain of "things a computer will never be as good at as a human".

Re:Not just Apple (0)

dfcamara (1268174) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020205)

Mozilla Firefox apeared first for me in Google.

Re:Wait, what? (0)

miknix (1047580) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020237)

I searched "best web browser" on Google and the second result was mozilla.org

Wait there are other browsers?

Re:Not just Apple (2)

chispito (1870390) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019841)

You make a valid point, you have to always consider the source. I actually think it's some pretty clever self-effacing humor on Apple's part--something far too rare.

Re:Not just Apple (0)

Dishevel (1105119) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020363)

Not nearly as self-effacing as the truth though. Which they edited out.

Re:Not just Apple (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40020415)

Oh, so you like the point that buyers should still beware after the sale about their manfacturers lying to them, but you didn't register any opinion on how Apple still manages to be a Ministry of Truth sack of douchebags, even after St. Jobs is wormfood.

Interesting.

Re:Not just Apple (5, Insightful)

buchner.johannes (1139593) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019861)

The term is "search engine Filter Bubble" -- see the nice introduction at http://dontbubble.us/ [dontbubble.us] (admittedly focussed on avoiding personalisation).
If you use a meta search engine that doesn't collect personal information, such as DuckDuckGo.com, you can escape that problem.

Re:Not just Apple (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40020347)

And for the real win, "best web browser" on DuckDuckGo gives http://www.consumersearch.com/web-browser-reviews [consumersearch.com] as the top link.

Re:Not just Apple (1)

cupantae (1304123) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020443)

The funny thing about all this is that it means crazyjj has been searching for Chrome-related things enough for Google to give him those results!

For the record, I got a few independent, unbiased browser round-ups. That makes me feel pretty good about my searching habits.

Re:Not just Apple (2)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019871)

Funny, I searched that exact thing and got a bunch of reviews for everything from I.E. to Mozilla to Opera.

Re:Not just Apple (4, Insightful)

DanTheStone (1212500) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019889)

I get this one [infoworld.com] , which has Chrome and Firefox tied, on my first page of Google results. It doesn't look like Google is deliberately and directly biasing those search results like Apple.

Re:Not just Apple (2)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019969)

I get this one, which has Chrome and Firefox tied, on my first page of Google results.

It actually has Chrome, Firefox, and Opera tied with 8.5 out of 10, with IE (8.0) and Safari (7.8) trailing.

Re:Not just Apple (1)

DanTheStone (1212500) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020163)

You are correct. I mistakenly assumed that they would be sorted by descending overall score, so I stopped when I saw IE.

Apple now more trustworthy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40019899)

Siri no longer provides a suggestion, so I'd trust Apple over Google which still provides biased results.

For further evidence, look at technology news on news.google.com to find Google biasing results in their own favor.

Re:Not just Apple (3, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019931)

Why in the world would you google "What is the best web browser"?

Stupid shit like that is what is breaking google today, and why it is so much less useful than it used to be. You can't even get the damn thing to include what it considers punctuation anymore.

Googling "Web Browser Best", without quotes, gets you a first page of all review articles on that topic as you would expect, only the last link points to chrome.

Re:Not just Apple (1)

Oracle of Naples (2640867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019985)

Eh yeah sure, searching for "web browser best" makes so much more sense than "what is the best web browser?"

Re:Not just Apple (5, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020133)

It does, this is why I tend to be able to find stuff others cannot.

Use tools correctly and they work better.

Re:Not just Apple (2)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020397)

Perhaps is you explained WHY "web browser best" is better than "best web browser", we would understand better. Aren't all the words weighted equally, regardless of position?

Re:Not just Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40019993)

Why in the world would you google "What is the best web browser"?

Because you're a regular person who's gotten used to the idea that computers should be able to answer naturally-phrased questions.

Re:Not just Apple (2)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020589)

Then you should better get un-used to that idea. You don't type "Where did I mention Brad?" into a text editor's search box.

overexplained (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40020009)

I believe the phrase you are searching for is "conflict of interest."

Re:Not just Apple (1)

daniel78 (2563977) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020053)

While I agree with the point you're trying to make(that we should question our sources), I get pretty much the same results for your query on bing and google. Any summaries that indicate a favourite, pretty much all favour chrome (this is true on both bing and google, and isn't all that suprising if recent changes in market share are anything to go by)

I don't see any evidence of deliberate bias here.

Interestingly, the most obvious difference is that the top entry on Bing, is a paid ad for IE9.

Re:Not just Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40020085)

Bing says Internet Explorer?!?!??!? this is an outrage!!!!!! I'm calling my congressmen that they need to put a stop to this monopoly that Microsoft is doing! Apple and Google don't have a big share of the market so it's ok for them but look at MS they have a huge chunk of the Computer Field. Period.

Re:Not just Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40020111)

1 - mozilla
2 - review site
3 - chrome

Re:Not just Apple (1)

JabberWokky (19442) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020127)

I followed your link and get Firefox, Chrome, Internet Explorer, Chrome, a deleted page, Internet Explorer, Firefox, a list that puts Safari at the top, "you can't go wrong with any", then Firefox and Chrome tied.

I think your example is failing upon examination.

Re:Not just Apple (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020161)

Which page would that be on? I'm on the first page and see a large list of results that's fairly mixed. First five, for example are: (no browser shown), Chrome, Internet Explorer, Chrome, and "You can't go wrong with any browser these days".

Chrome has a slight edge, but given friends don't recommend IE to friends, Firefox's problems from Firefox 4 to Firefox 9 - it'll probably take years to fix the loss of good will that caused, and the general lack of interest the world has in Opera, I'm not remotely surprised Chrome would have a slight edge.

Re:Not just Apple (1)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020219)

Well, if you're just looking for a bullet point list, Chrome comes out on top of or tied for a lot metrics:
* speed
* implementation of standards
* extensibility
* cross-device synching
* ability to deploy across multiple devices

Firefox loses in the corporate world thanks to some publicized missteps, IE loses in the FOSS world because it's IE, and Opera is the perennial also-ran. Chrome nicely splits the middle between IE and Firefox. As a result, it's not surprising that a number of common review sites show Chrome as tied or slightly ahead of the others. Compare that to hubpages (smells like Geocities to me) , and I'm surprised that Bing is actually going there.

Finally, do a search for What's the best social network, and Google returns oodles of results that don't even mention G+. Considering that G+ is much more important to Google than Chrome, I'd say that if they are tweaking their results, they're doing it wrong.

Finally, the sites that sit on top of the Google search are the ones I expect to be there: PCMag, usatoday, lifehacker...

Re:Not just Apple (1)

RanCossack (1138431) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020221)

I am a bit in awe; you posted a link, then outright fabricated entirely different results to rant against -- and still you have several people nodding and agreeing with you... and a score of 4, while I'm writing this.

That's making being adverse to RTFM to a new level and making it work for you.

Re:Not just Apple (1)

blackest_k (761565) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020257)

wolfram alpha powers Bing a microsoft product and rates a windows phone as the best in the world.

who's got a horse in the race, again? Maybe the N900 is being heavily marketed but it's not the phone that springs to mind as the best smart phone?

I honestly couldn't say what is but i wouldn't have thought it would be a windows phone.
so what is ?

Re:Not just Apple (2)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020449)

wolfram alpha powers Bing a microsoft product and rates a windows phone as the best in the world.

So what? It powers Bing, it is not powered by Bing. Why would the WA results be biased at all? Here is their results page:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=best+smartphone [wolframalpha.com]

As of the time I'm writing this, they have results listed by average customer rating and they list 2 HTC phones, 2 iPhones, and the N900 with averages of 5.

Besides, by your logic, since WA also powers Siri then they should be biased towards Apple, so why did it recommend a competing product?

Re:Not just Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40020457)

Wasn't sure before, but now 100% certain that crazyjj is just another bonch sockpuppet.

Re:Not just Apple (1)

Tarlus (1000874) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020551)

Why is this modded as a troll?

Seems more approprate to Apple (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019801)

The joke reply seems more appropriate what I would expect from Apple. I'm surprised that they hadn't put something in place like this from the beginning.

Re:Seems more approprate to Apple (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40019847)

That was Siri's reply in the beginning, but they changed it to forwarding Wolfram Alpha results later.

Re:Seems more approprate to Apple (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40019921)

No, the "ever" qualifier is what triggered the Wolfram Alpha results. "What is the best phone" without ever always returned the joke.

Re:Seems more approprate to Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40019953)

Yep, the first thing I think of with Apple or Steve Jobs is their sense of humor.
 
Ugh, now you made me remember those horrible Mac vs. PC commercials. Apple: So funny they'll make you hate John Hodgman, but only when you think of their ads.

Re:Seems more approprate to Apple (1)

Darth Snowshoe (1434515) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020141)

Um. Those commercials were funny.

Nobody hates John Hodgman - he's an ACTOR, not an operating system, in those commercials. Maybe that wasn't obvious enough? John was teh funny in those commercials. Mac guy was just this bemused observer.

Re:Seems more approprate to Apple (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40020287)

"Hating" John Hodgman because of his role in a commercial you don't like is indicative of mental illness on your part.

Re:Seems more approprate to Apple (2)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020069)

That's what it used to do - there were a number of joke responses coded in, including some if you asked about Android, or if you tell it you need to dispose of a body etc.

Re:Seems more approprate to Apple (5, Insightful)

Patch86 (1465427) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020591)

If I ask for smartphone reviews, I expect smartphone reviews. It does bill itself as your big internet helper. If I wanted jokes when I asked for smartphone reviews, I'd download an app called "smartass jokes".

It's one thing to have jokes in there for when people ask blatantly daft things, like "will you marry me Siri", or "find me a restaurant on Mars". But when you ask a common question with a simple answer, you expect to get an answer.

Headline should read (4, Funny)

AshFan (879808) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019809)

Apple successfully changes womans opinion.

Re:Headline should read (4, Funny)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019869)

Apple successfully changes womans opinion.

Video or it never happened!

FYI, Siri is not a woman, no matter how much you may want to imagine otherwise when you ask it "Who's the sexiest man in the world?" and it answers, "Wait, there are other men?"

Re:Headline should read (4, Funny)

KlomDark (6370) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019989)

But if you ask it "Who's the sexiest man in the world ever?", it answers "Klom Dark"! :)

Re:Headline should read (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40019987)

And now it will remind you of this every...damn...day

Re:Headline should read (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40020157)

Siri is not a womens voice

Jon Briggs is the voice.

Re:Headline should read (2)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020425)

Or rather, Apple designs woman with configurable opinions.

Garden, walls whats new (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40019827)

The sheeple are happy with the herders choices, its not news.

Re:Garden, walls whats new (-1, Offtopic)

cupantae (1304123) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020501)

They made the answer to a completely subjective question a joke. This is not a human rights issue.

Learn the right time to criticise.
Or maybe you just need to troll harder.

What the (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40019829)

Nokia has accused Apple of showing bias towards its own smartphones after it apparently changed the answer that its voice recognition software Siri provided to the question ‘what is the best smartphone ever?’

Hahaha. Yes, how dare Apple supply an opinion-based answer to an opinion-based question.

Re:What the (1)

bhagwad (1426855) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020025)

Just let the algorithms decide.

Re:What the (1)

gorzek (647352) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020123)

Or have it supply the favorite answer of programmers everywhere: "It depends!"

Wicked Witch (5, Funny)

Opr33Opr33 (1180091) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019839)

Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the fairest of all...

Re:Wicked Witch (5, Funny)

BackwardPawn (1356049) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019965)

Remind me at what point in the story the poison Apple comes into play.

Google "Best search engine" (4, Insightful)

toygeek (473120) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019853)

Number 1 answer: dogpile.com

Its funny, but its objective. They've avoided anti-trust by giving a genuine ranked answer. Apple, cowards that they are, just avoided the question altogether.

If I googled "best search engine" and google came back with "Wait, there's other search engines?" I would laugh, and then think them idiots.

Re:Google "Best search engine" (3, Insightful)

atrain728 (1835698) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020059)

Of course, dogpile.com is supported by google ads. Win-win!

Re:Google "Best search engine" (0)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020245)

Apple, cowards that they are, just avoided the question altogether.

Gee, I wonder if that's because a million Haterade Addicts out there are trying to turn any dumb thing they can into a news story.

It didn't do that for me... (5, Funny)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019857)

When I tried "What is the best cell phone ever?" SIRI came up with a cell phone store. Apparently the SIRI algorithm is essentially:

1. Is this a built-in joke phrase?
2. Does this contain keywords like "alarm" or "weather" for various command phrases?
3. Is there something with that name nearby?
4. Did a Wolfram-Alpha search come up with something?
5. Bomb.

Which kind of demos how useless the whole thing. Especially with the ridiculous lag times. The old 3GS voice commands were perfectly usable for controlling the iPod app and making phone calls. The new SIRI-fied version is entirely useless because instead of working, you just get to wait some 5-10 seconds for the SIRI servers to process whatever it was you said. Assuming it works at all.

"Call mom."
(15 seconds later) "I'm sorry, something went wrong."
(sarcastically) "Most advanced cell phone ever."
"I found a place matching 'cell phone' close to you."
"You're useless, SIRI."

Re:It didn't do that for me... (1)

keytoe (91531) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020043)

This roughly matches my experience with Siri. You spend too much time trying to figure out what sequence of words she'll understand (interspersed with round trips to the server). It'd be quicker to just punch the thing into google - which is apparently all I can get Siri to do anyway.

On the other hand, it is amusing* to try and find joke phrases she'll respond to.

* For very small values of amusing.

Re:It didn't do that for me... (1)

n5vb (587569) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020079)

Given that it's server-based and not running locally on the phone, network latency can make the app pretty impractical to use for much, and if you have no network connection at all, you have no voice control at all. Yeah, I kind of like the Voice Control app, at least it's locally resident in iOS and works fairly consistently. (And usually doesn't do half bad recognizing my voice, although my accent is sort of slightly-rural Midwestern which is more or less "standard" for North America..)

Re:It didn't do that for me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40020101)

"You're useless, SIRI." ...
"Exterminate! Extermiiiinnaaaate!!"

Re:It didn't do that for me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40020267)

I don't own an iPhone, but out on the town with a friend of mine he wanted to use his phone to show me how cool Siri was. I asked her for directions to a bar that we were literally stanidng in front of. She couldn't find it. I asked her for a local weather report, and she gave me the five day forcast in a different state. I asked her how tall Barack Obama was, and for some reason she couldn't parse that out. Just how smart is this thing supposed to be?

Re:It didn't do that for me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40020361)

You must ask, "What is the best smartphone ever?" not "What is the best cell phone ever?".

Re:It didn't do that for me... (5, Informative)

tool462 (677306) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020511)

Pretty much. We recently switched cell providers, and my wife opted to get an iPhone. Here is one of her conversations with Siri (details paraphrased/redacted):

W: Find me a mexican restaurant in __city name__.
S: I found 23 places near you
W: (looking at list) Where is __first restaurant in list__.
S: I can't help you with that.
W: Habla Espanol?
S: I don't want to argue with you.

That was more or less the gist of every conversation she attempted w/ Siri. Never any really useful information. She frequently got "I can't help you with that" or something similar. The only value seems to be the entertainment when you stumble across one of the easter egg phrases. It's like playing around with the old Alice AI bots. It can be fun for a bit, but the novelty wears off quickly, at which point, it's useless.

At least they didn't ... (3, Insightful)

MacTO (1161105) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019919)

At least Apple didn't replace the response with an endorsement for their own product, which is what I'd expect from any vendor (including Apple). Questions like this, after all, have a definite conflict of interest.

Re:At least they didn't ... (2)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020463)

http://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+best+search+engine%3F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a [google.com]

Notice how Google neither inserted a joke nor a pitch for its own search engine? In fact, the first hit I get is to an About.com page, which puts Google at #10; then a page that lists a few different surveys; then Dogpile. Google does plenty of things that I would call evil, but in this case they did what I would expect: not try to alter their search results to promote their own product.

Simple work-around (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40019947)

"Siri, what would the old Siri recommend as the best phone?"

Odd. (5, Informative)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019967)

Apple's perfected their time machine, then, because "wait, there are other phones?" is one of the (several) "joke" responses I got from asking "what's the best smartphone?" on the 4S launch day, amongst other responses like "the one you're holding."

Two minutes on Google backs this up.

C'mon, people. It isn't that hard.

Re:Odd. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40020187)

Apple's perfected their time machine, then, because "wait, there are other phones?" is one of the (several) "joke" responses I got from asking "what's the best smartphone?" on the 4S launch day, amongst other responses like "the one you're holding."

Two minutes on Google backs this up.

C'mon, people. It isn't that hard.

Ahh, but, you see, people got around that by asking "What is the best smartphone EVER", which doesn't trigger the stock joke response, but instead searches Wolfram Alpha for best cell phone by user reviews. Which was not the iPhone. Which Apple didn't like, so they included "what is the best smartphone ever" in the joke response list.

I'm sure there's another way to phrase it that will similarly embarrass Apple.

Re:Odd. (1)

Anubis IV (1279820) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020305)

Seriously. I remember seeing the news about the Lumia being the response a few days ago [loopinsight.com] , and in the same article they posted a picture with the joke response already being given by Siri. This has been built in for quite awhile. Apple didn't change anything recently.

Preventing False Advertising (0, Troll)

MoronGames (632186) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019973)

Does anyone actually believe that the Nokia Lumia is the best phone on the market?

I didn't think so.

Re:Preventing False Advertising (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40020215)

Does anyone actually believe that the Nokia Lumia is the best phone on the market?

A lot of Lumia 900 users do.

Re:Preventing False Advertising (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40020373)

And and a lot of Lumia owners don't. Once they bought it.

Siri = Voice of Apple Marketing (5, Insightful)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019975)

Apple has made a strategic mistake here, giving the Apple Marketing Department control over the validity and content of the results that Siri provides.

Re:Siri = Voice of Apple Marketing (1)

pz (113803) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020023)

And opening themselves up to anti-competitive legal action.

Change? (5, Informative)

wzinc (612701) | more than 2 years ago | (#40019979)

Depending on the way you asked the question, Siri already told that joke. Maybe they added a few more phrasings, but that joke has been in there for a while, possibly since day one.

Re:Change? (4, Interesting)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020119)

Just to corroborate this, the original joke phrase was "What is the best cell phone?" and would get answers like "the one you're holding!"

By adding "ever" to the end, you used to trick SIRI into going further into its algorithm and could get the Wolfram Alpha answer. Apple just added "ever" to the end of the joke phrase.

I wonder if there are other words you can still add to get the query to go through again? Like "created" or "made" or things like that? I'd try, but I get very little cell reception where I am right now, which translates to SIRI failing more often than not.

Ranked by Best Buy customers... (3, Interesting)

gQuigs (913879) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020017)

Wolfram Alpha, "Mobile phones ranked by Best Buy customer review average and customer review count:"

Currently HTC Trophy is first followed by an iPhone.

The winning phone has maybe 23 reviews (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_dynSessConf=-1144113708518003664&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=htc+trophy&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960). Which must be highly significant .

The most interesting thing to me here is, that BestBuy.com reviews can be exploited to influence Siri users....

Here's How I Read It: (1, Informative)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020073)

Apple Device Promotes Competition, So They "Fix" It.

Can't really blame them, though - if I were the wolf in charge of "protecting" the walled garden full of iSheep, I'd be hard pressed to not nosh on a few myself.

Re:Here's How I Read It: (3)

Anubis IV (1279820) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020345)

Except that they didn't. That joke has been in there for quite awhile. Hell, the article I first read reporting the Siri issue [loopinsight.com] even had a screenshot of that joke in it.

Reply was there originally (4, Informative)

lymond01 (314120) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020171)

For all those of you who never asked Siri what the best phone was when you first got a 4S, the joking was there from the start. Some update must have removed it and had it actually try to answer the question using Wolfram Alpha. They simply put the joke back in.

1984 commercial irony (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40020177)

Working with apple products is like living under a communist regime, editing the 'truth' for an agenda.
Siri? Am I free?

Re:1984 commercial irony (1, Funny)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020275)

Reading about apple products on Slashdot is like reading about living under a communist regime, editing the 'truth' for an agenda.
Mods? Can I get the word 'Insightful' next to my post?

FTFY.

Astroturfing? (2)

Powercntrl (458442) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020241)

It really seems like there's a whole lot of buzz about this phone lately, but something seems fishy. Presently, WolframAlpha (which I've personally never found the need to willingly use) returns the following when queried with "What is the best smartphone ever?":

1. HTC Trophy on Verizon
2. iPhone 4S on Verizon
3. iPhone 4 on Verizon
4. Nokia Lumina 900 on AT&T (Hey, there it is!)
5. HTC Rhyme on Verizon

WolframAlpha uses a questionable method of determining "bestness" by examining Best Buy customer reviews. Problem is, the Windows phones have so few reviews (the #1 ranked phone presently only has 21 reviews!), the averaging is broken. Obligatory XKCD [xkcd.com]

The old result was a glitch in WolframAlpha (4, Informative)

Smurf (7981) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020303)

If you look at the current results for "what is the best smartphone ever" [wolframalpha.com] in Wolfram Alpha you will find that they also changed the answer. Now it just gives you a list of five smartphones tied at 5 points of average score by Best Buy customers: HTC Trophy, iPhone 4s, iPhone 4, Lumia 900, HTC Rhyme, in that order.

That's because Wolfram Alpha was indeed being embarrassed because it seemed like they were endorsing a particular phone by providing a lot of details about the first entry in the list (at the time the Lumina 900), but if you looked deeper the whole thing was bogus.

Expand the list (press the "More" button four times) and you will find that there are actually 28 smartphones with average scores of 5 in the list! A couple of days back when Siri's comical response was revealed there were 13 tied in first place.

  And let's not forget that these scores are averages of a very small number of reviews (at this time 9 for the iPhone 4s and 5 for the Lumia 900; yesterday it was 2 for the 4s, 4 for the Lumia 900) making the whole measure even more worthless.

(Apparently when they are tied the order in the list is decided by the number of reviews, thus the descent of the Lumia).

Re:The old result was a glitch in WolframAlpha (5, Informative)

Smurf (7981) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020437)

OK, here's an article [searchengineland.com] describing with some more detail what happened.

mind the broken glass (0)

zerodl (817292) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020337)

"Mirror Mirror on the wall, who's the fairest one of all?"

I remember Siri doing this before. (1)

_0x783czar (2516522) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020341)

That's strange... I remember Siri doing this before the whole Nokia thing. Then again, it might have been a joke meme or something and Apple just decided to copy it, but I remember hearing about that being the answer very shortly after the release of Siri.

Misleading (0, Flamebait)

Corson (746347) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020499)

If they do that the what else are they willing to do? Can you trust an answer from Apple?

And in other news (1)

Skapare (16644) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020515)

Siri has filed a federal class action lawsuit against Apple for trying to manipulate it, cyber rights abuses, and a list of other things. An Apple spokesperson who wished to remain anonymous said they will deal with this issue through negotiation and other strong arm tactics.

Streisand Effect (3, Funny)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | more than 2 years ago | (#40020585)

I now want to know more about the Nokia Lumia 900.
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