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Verizon To Kill All Unlimited Data Plans

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the no-data-for-you dept.

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afabbro writes "Verizon mentioned in an investor conference that it will be eliminating unlimited data plans, even for those it grandfathered in. From the article: 'Speaking at the J.P Morgan Technology Media and Telecom conference today, Verizon Communications CFO Fran Shammo told investors that the company's 3G unlimited data plans that customers were allowed to hang onto last year when Verizon switched to a tiered offering will soon go away entirely. Instead, the company will migrate its existing and new 4G LTE customers to a new "data share plan." The company has yet to announce the details of this new plan, but it has said previously that the data share plan will be introduced in midsummer. The plan will allow people on the same family plan to share buckets of data each month, much like they share voice minutes and text messaging. It will also allow individuals to share data across different 4G LTE devices.'"

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the evil get eviler (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40021939)

Ridiculous text message pricing was the gateway drug.

Re:the evil get eviler (3, Insightful)

linear a (584575) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022195)

More corporate assraping goodness

Congratulations, Verizon (5, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#40021943)

On chasing away a good portion of your customer base.

If they really, really want to let me out of my contract here in a month or two, so be it. T-mobile and Sprint still have unlimited plans, so I guess that's where I'll be heading.

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022033)

T-Mobile has ersatz unlimited - you get full speed data up to your chosen caps (2, 5, or 10gb), and EDGE speeds after.

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022071)

That's what they say, but my benchmarks say otherwise. I've hit the cap once or twice on my T-Mobile service, and it's about 60kbps after the cap, whereas EDGE can carry 300-600kbps easily (when you aren't past your cap)

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (3, Insightful)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022041)

Why wait? The moment Verizon changes your plan from "unlimited" to "limited" the contract terms have changed, and you can reject those new terms (thus voiding the contract).

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022073)

Why wait? The moment Verizon changes your plan from "unlimited" to "limited" the contract terms have changed, and you can reject those new terms (thus voiding the contract).

Be careful with that one... the fine print probably says if you reject the changes you are still bound to the contract with existing terms until the end of the
contract... which means they would still hit you with an early termination fee that you would have to go to arbitration to get back.

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022411)

Isn't that two typical illegal clauses (termination fee, bounding a contract for only one party)? That's like saying, "if you sign this, you agree to pay an additional 20€ per month, and if we want to change it to an arbitrary amount we can void your contract and you can't get away from us".

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (1)

colinrichardday (768814) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022459)

But GP might be cool with the existing terms.

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022571)

Yeah that's unenforceable according to Consumer Protection Laws. It's similar to how Paypal included a bunch of terms in their contract/EULA, but the judge threw most of them in the trash as illegal. --- And the termination fee? Just don't send the check.

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022677)

Ahhh, nothing like a good contract of adhesion to stick it to 'em, eh?

Fortunately, those sorts of terms are just the kind of thing that the company knows are illegal. If you say the magic words "I want to cancel due to a material change in my contract", if, in fact, there was a change, the rep will now cancel your service for free. It's easier than having that text sued out of their forms.

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022135)

Kind of complicated: I share a plan with my wife, and for some reason I don't recall, she gets to "upgrade" her phone 2-3 months before I do, which she has already done. When she got her new phone we were grandfathered in on unlimited (with zero effort on our part - thank you Radioshack guy!), but I still have another month or two to wait before I can upgrade myself.

So, I decided to be fair (I know, a novel concept these days) and wait until they actually try and fuck me before I bail.

Best case scenario, they drop this stupid idea and get to keep my business, and in exchange I plunk down some serious moolah on the latest root-and-rom-able Android powerhouse.

Worst case scenario, I'm without a cell phone for a week or two during the transition, which, now that I think about it, really seems a blessing in disguise.

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (1, Informative)

idontgno (624372) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022539)

Best case scenario, they drop this stupid idea and get to keep my business, and in exchange I plunk down some serious moolah on the latest root-and-rom-able Android powerhouse.

We are talking about Verizon, right?

"root-and-rom-able?"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!... hahaha... Whoa, that's a good one.

In case you hadn't heard, Verizon specializes in bootlocked fascism. They're proud of it. [androidcentral.com] . I haven't heard of anyone who's successfully unlocked a recent Verizon Android bootblock. Rootable, sure. For now. (Motofail on Droid devices, for instance.) And 2nd-stage loaders like Safestrap will allow you to load and boot an alternate ROM, but not touch the kernel, so I hope you enjoy ICS on a Gingerbread kernel.

Sorry. Verizon is pretty much bondage-and-domination as far as phone openness is concerned. I am functionally satisfied with my VZW Droid 4, but my needs are modest (root + freeze bloatware), but if I really wanted to load Cyanogenmod or Eclipse, I'd have to settle for half-measures.

you're wrong about everything you said (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022649)

http://www.droidforums.net/forum/android-roms/45504-updated-droid-rom-links-kernels-themes.html [droidforums.net] "but not touch the kernel" Wrong. "KERNELS: (please read developer's posts carefully on installation instructions, ROM compatibility, and notes) - ChevyNo1(see ROMS above for other kernels): http://www.droidforums.net/forum/chevyno1/32272-update-new-kernels-low-voltage-medium-voltage-3-25-2010-a.html [droidforums.net] - Bekit: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1123576/Android/bekit_kernels/0.8/bekit_boot-links.html [dropbox.com] - P3Droid kernels: http://www.p3designs.info/kernels/ [p3designs.info] - P3Droid kernels for Koush ROM: http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/p...ur-flavor.html [mydroidworld.com] - Team Chaos kernels: Kernels Thread - Jake's kernels: http://ninebysix.com/page.cfm/android-dev/droid-dev [ninebysix.com] - Dave12308's kernels: http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/dave12308/ [mydroidworld.com] " You simply have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022299)

Not quite. The change comes when you upgrade your phone. So while your contract is still valid, so is your unlimited plan so there is no monetary change involved with regards to the contract.

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (5, Interesting)

imcdona (806563) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022085)

The only downside to T-mobile is that they compress all images to save bandwidth.

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (2)

the_B0fh (208483) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022161)

Why is that a downside?

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022393)

You probably get a lower picture quality as a result. It may not be very noticeable on a smartphone though, unless you try to zoom in.

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (4, Interesting)

ichthus (72442) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022223)

I was going to reply and tell you that you're mistaken. But, I decided to google it first, just to make sure before I made an ass of myself. Turns out, you're right [t-mobile.com] . I was not aware.

I tether often, and I don't notice this on pages loaded on the tethered PC. It must be a forced proxy they have set up in the stock browser?

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022307)

I tether often, and I don't notice this on pages loaded on the tethered PC. It must be a forced proxy they have set up in the stock browser?

If that's the case, it's of no consequence to me - I use Dolphin HD.

Side note: how does T-Mobile treat tethering? Are they dicks about it like the big boys (Verizon locked me out by altering the wifi manager process, the evil fucks), or do they even care?

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022373)

I'm on a T-Mobile unlimited everything non-contract family plan and I pay an extra $10/month to use my phone's hotspot feature. I'm mostly in an EDGE area but even with 2 out of 4 or 3 out of 4 bars, I get reasonable download speed. Slashdot and Techdirt load completely in less than 20 seconds.

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022371)

I was going to reply and tell you that you're mistaken. But, I decided to google it first, just to make sure before I made an ass of myself. Turns out, you're right [t-mobile.com] .

I was going to reply and say "you must be new here." But, I decided to look at your UID first, just to make sure before I made an ass out of you. Turns out, you're not [slashdot.org] .

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022089)

Makes me glad my new bionic has a sim card!

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (1)

Filgy (2588) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022225)

The SIM cards in Verizon or Sprint phones (CDMA based networks) are only 4G LTE SIM cards, so you can't just take your phone to any other carrier because your phone "has a sim card", which is what I think your comment is implying.

Verizon still uses CDMA for all voice traffic, 4G is only used for data traffic currently (the SIM card is only a 4G LTE SIM card, still no cards for their 3G/2G CDMA which is what all voice traffic still uses)...

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (1)

msauve (701917) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022403)

The same "SIM" which authorizes you for 4G data also authorizes you for voice. You can change (4G) phones on Verizon just by swapping SIMs. You can't take your phone to another carrier because the current ones don't do voice over LTE, and other carriers don't support CDMA (Sprint doesn't allow phones they didn't sell on their network, last I knew).

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022679)

"You can change (4G) phones on Verizon just by swapping SIMs." No, you can't. "Sprint doesn't allow phones they didn't sell on their network, last I knew" Also wrong, and has never been true.

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022163)

That depends on if you need their coverage.

I use T-mobile, I think it's great, I recommend it to friends and family who nearby me who do not do a lot of traveling.

The problem with T-mobile are all the dead areas, when I visit the wife's family up in rural New England I end up having to find hotspots and piggyback on peoples wifi to make calls. There is no way I would recommend T-mobile to them because it doesn't work there, Verizon damn near has that region to themselves.

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022255)

Maybe if unlimited plans die away, contracts eventually will, too. All very interesting to watch. Me, I rarely use my dirt-cheap VOIP much less care where I put my shitty old tracfone, but if you're a jet setter who needs to watch all those videos and surf countless websites on your battery-hog phone, ok. Maybe I'll upgrade when you've paid for all their infrastructure improvements.

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (-1, Flamebait)

vux984 (928602) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022443)

If they really, really want to let me out of my contract here in a month or two, so be it. T-mobile and Sprint still have unlimited plans, so I guess that's where I'll be heading

Seriously, you are like the archtypical obscenely fat glutton at the $9 all-you-can-eat-buffet threatening to take his business somewhere else.

They probably can't wait for you to leave.

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (1, Flamebait)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022575)

If they really, really want to let me out of my contract here in a month or two, so be it. T-mobile and Sprint still have unlimited plans, so I guess that's where I'll be heading

Seriously, you are like the archtypical obscenely fat glutton at the $9 all-you-can-eat-buffet threatening to take his business somewhere else.

They probably can't wait for you to leave.

Nice to see you possess an apparent magical ability to assess a person's entire personality based on 2 sentences.

Look, asshat, I'll make it reeeal simple - Verizon sold me an unlimited data plan. Regardless of how much data I actually use, if Verizon didn't want me to be able to use unlimited amounts of data, they shouldn't have offered me an unlimited data plan Trying to say it's somehow my fault that they can't (or won't) deliver shows you for the egocentric fuck you really are.

You strike me as the type who blames rape victims for wearing tight jeans. Why don't you do the world a favor and go fuck yourself. Hard.

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (1)

lightknight (213164) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022467)

This is beyond stupi-...I ask you, why do they exist?

How, how, do you go from an Unlimited plan to Limited plans? The price for bandwidth is constantly dropping. And upgrading towers is not THAT costly.

The Chairman / CEO lose some serious money in Vegas recently?

That all the cell-phone companies are getting into this recently, with the costs associated dropping, makes no sense. Collusion?

Re:Congratulations, Verizon (1)

Githaron (2462596) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022687)

My unlimited 4G data is the only thing that is holding me to Verizon. If I loose my unlimited data, they loose me.

go... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40021945)

..fuck yourself

The first of the pack? (4, Interesting)

dingo_kinznerhook (1544443) | more than 2 years ago | (#40021951)

How long before AT&T follows suit?

Re:The first of the pack? (2)

ExploHD (888637) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022051)

Monopoly capitalism suggests it won't be long

Re:The first of the pack? (2)

zlives (2009072) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022203)

Oligarchy

Re:The first of the pack? (5, Funny)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022215)

AT&T will not follow suit, they will figure out a way to fuck their customers even harder, they think of it as a challenge I guess.

Re:The first of the pack? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022377)

Historically about two to three weeks.

Slippery slope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40021955)

If they try to charge ETFs on people who are grandfathered in and decide to cancel, that would be a breach of contract, wouldn't it?

Re:Slippery slope (3, Informative)

demonlapin (527802) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022235)

Not if they offered to honor the original contract terms for the duration of the contract and terminate it immediately upon its completion. Just like credit cards: terms have changed, you either accept them or you live out your existing contract as specified with no further changes allowed.

Re:Slippery slope (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022379)

If they try to charge ETFs on people who are grandfathered in and decide to cancel, that would be a breach of contract, wouldn't it?

The contract you signed sucks, BTW. (for you, of course, not that you had much in they way of choice if you want a mobile phone).

Well crap (1)

JadeAuto (935739) | more than 2 years ago | (#40021957)

That sucks. Even though I don't use data much on 3g, it was always nice to know that I didn't have to worry about a cap. Now I have to worry about it. Bah.

Re:Well crap (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022453)

Maybe Verizon's cap will be like VirginMobile's "cap" which isn't really a cap but merely a slowdown for the speed.

My contract just expired (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40021975)

Guess I won't be buying a new smartphone any time soon. And I was just starting to enjoy being able to browse 4Chan from anywhere.

Yikes (1)

BStroms (1875462) | more than 2 years ago | (#40021979)

I'm up for a discounted phone in June. I'm hoping I can lock in two more years of unlimited before this change goes live. At the prices they currently charge for data, I'll switch to a feature phone and carry around my old smartphone in wifi mode before I switch to one of their limited plans.

Re:Yikes (3, Informative)

Glendale2x (210533) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022015)

You can't really "lock in" anything. The provider is free to change the terms at any time in the future, it's just that you get 30 days to cancel without penalty if you decide you don't like the new terms.

Re:Yikes (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022091)

He can't lock in the unlimited data, but he can keep the shiny-new phone. After all it was Verizon that voided the contract when they changed the terms. He will no longer be bound to them.

Re:Yikes (2)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022129)

The shiny new phone that will only work on Verizon, non-US carriers after an unlocking, and the crappy regional CDMA carriers after an unlocking.

Re:Yikes (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022267)

The shiny new phone that will only work on Verizon, non-US carriers after an unlocking, and the crappy regional CDMA carriers after an unlocking.

Only for the cellular radio. He can always use Wifi+Skype/Vonage/GTalk/Whatever for phone calls.

I can think of a few other ideas for a carrier-locked phone:

- install a pentesting distro like PwnExpress [pwnieexpress.com] * and use it for, er, well, pentesting.
- root-and-rom it, and give it to your kids to play with
- App development: a dedicated device beats an emulated one any day of the week.
- e-reader/web browser

.. and I'm sure there's a number of other uses I haven't thought of.


*Yes, I know PwnExpress is for SheevaPlugs and N900's. It's just an example, yo.

Re:Yikes (1)

Sancho (17056) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022501)

He can also sell the phone for more than he paid for it. If he gets a $200 subsidized phone, he can possibly get $350 or more.

Re:Yikes (1)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022671)

But he can sell the phone for more than he paid for it, because he wasn't required to pay the early termination fee when the other party changed the terms of the contract. Some other schmuck can overpay for the phone to use on Verizon's limited network because they can't or won't sign a contract.

Re:Yikes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022065)

Even if you switch upgrade to another phone with LTE support before this switch I don't believe they've been altering the contracts for unlimited data plans to include LTE. Basically they can strip unlimited LTE support at the time of their choosing.

Re:Yikes (1)

Delarth799 (1839672) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022241)

Except you can't lock it in. They are doing away with it all together including those who were grandfathered in so when this change goes live your screwed and pushed down to limited. Of course as someone else mentioned this means you might be able to void the contract.

Is this legal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40021991)

Can grandfathered customers join a class action lawsuit and get some money for this?

Re:Is this legal? (4, Insightful)

the_B0fh (208483) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022183)

*HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA*

And you'll get $10, where as the attorneys will get $100 mil.

Re:Is this legal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022287)

Can grandfathered customers join a class action lawsuit and get some money for this?

Getting money from a class action suit .. you're kidding right? It will go to court, which means the lawyers get 50% plus expenses ... which leaves the class
less then 30% to split.. you'll be luckey to get $2 on the mess .. minus all the crap and paperwork you have to provide to prove that you are part of the class.

Look at the recently ended Honda Hybrid Civic class action suit.

Payouts to Civic owners will include an extended warranty, $100 to $200 cash, and a transferrable voucher that can be used toward the purchase of a new Honda vehicle worth up to $1,500.

http://blogs.automotive.com/honda-wins-appeals-decision-in-civic-hybrid-lawsuit-how-it-happened-91991.html

Not much for a car that as far as I have met anyone that has ever gotten anything close to the advertised 50 mpg. Of the 117 volunteers on www.fueleconomy.gov .. the vast majority of respondents are under 50 mpg combined.

IMHO.. it won't be worth being part of a class action.

Re:Is this legal? (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022389)

IMHO.. it won't be worth being part of a class action.

The new trick is that *you* have to pay postage to opt-out of the class. I always opted out when they sent a SASE, but now I mostly shred them. I'm sure they expected this.

Rise of the discount carriers (5, Interesting)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 2 years ago | (#40021995)

With the el-cheapo carriers heavily advertising their cut-rate plans, how long can AT&T and Verizon keep it up? Why would anyone pay $80/month when they can get the same service from another carrier for less than $50?

Unless the big boys start offering either better service or lower prices, how will they stay in business?

Re:Rise of the discount carriers (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022035)

By spending all that cash on lobbyists and legislating their oligopoly into perpetuity.

Re:Rise of the discount carriers (5, Informative)

Moheeheeko (1682914) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022039)

With the el-cheapo carriers heavily advertising their cut-rate plans, how long can AT&T and Verizon keep it up? Why would anyone pay $80/month when they can get the same service from another carrier for less than $50

Because that $50 plan from T-mobile or Sprint is next to useless with their shit coverage. I ran T-mobile for 2 years, I had above 2 bars maybe once.

Re:Rise of the discount carriers (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022079)

Sprint coverage has served me well, even in urban areas, and their coverage is continuing to improve with Network Vision. Sites are already being rolled out. Atop that, they roam for free on Verizon.

Re:Rise of the discount carriers (1)

Apharmd (2640859) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022099)

Sprint has good coverage in my area but their data rates are terrible, whether on 3G or WiMAX. They desperately need LTE.

Re:Rise of the discount carriers (2)

paperdiesel (809538) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022115)

With the el-cheapo carriers heavily advertising their cut-rate plans, how long can AT&T and Verizon keep it up? Why would anyone pay $80/month when they can get the same service from another carrier for less than $50

Because that $50 plan from T-mobile or Sprint is next to useless with their shit coverage. I ran T-mobile for 2 years, I had above 2 bars maybe once.

Nice try, verizon rep. I'm a sprint customer, and my coverage is excellent. My experience as a whole is much better than when I was on verizon and at&t before that.

See how using personal anecdotes as actual evidence is silly?

Re:Rise of the discount carriers (-1)

Moheeheeko (1682914) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022257)

Sure is silly Sprint rep.

See how accusing people of workign for a company you dont like because their opinion differs is fucking retarded?

Re:Rise of the discount carriers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022559)

I get edge on AT&T, CDMA's equivalent of EDGE on Verizon and no non-roaming Sprint or T-Mobile coverage.

I also live just a few miles from a major city.

Who said anything about T-Mobile or Sprint? (3, Interesting)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022141)

Those guys are just as expensive as AT&T and Verizon. I'm talking about discount carriers, like StraightTalk and Red.

Re:Rise of the discount carriers (1)

grahamwest (30174) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022271)

I pay $35/mo to Virgin, whom I believe just resell Sprint's network. Works great almost everywhere I go. The only exception is Mendocino country, no service whatsoever up there, not even voice.

I had a cheap, cheap prepaid phone for 7 or 8 years, because I didn't feel like paying $800+/yr for a phone. Mind you, I don't do cable TV because $700+/yr buys a lot of DVD boxsets (and videogames) instead.

Re:Rise of the discount carriers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022431)

Dude... Sprint roams onto Verizon's network (with both voice and data) when you're out of a Sprint service area. Hence, Sprint's coverage area is no less than Verizon's.

Re:Rise of the discount carriers (1)

lightknight (213164) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022519)

Still waiting for Virgin Mobile (runs on / is owned by Sprint) to offer femto-cells (so I can reroute cellphone signals over my FIOS connection).

"Hey Bob, do you think we should offer femto-cells to our customers, so they can place phone calls in areas where our network doesn't provide any coverage?"
"Mark, I know what you're thinking, and no."
"Why?"
"Because, Mark, that's simply not how we do things at Virgin Mobile."

Re:Rise of the discount carriers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022097)

Because this is one plan for all devices rather then one plan per device. Many people would prefer such plan in an age where a user can have several devices that support 3g. "Unlimited" was never really unlimited anyways.

Re:Rise of the discount carriers (5, Interesting)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022103)

I've been using a widget called "data counter widget" (creative, huh?) on my android phone and its very unusual to go over 20 megs per day, which is only 600 megs per month. Most of my traffic is wifi. Some map lookup, some fooling around in the web browser, the occasional evernote upload, some runkeeper uploads, some email checking, some geocache application lookups, that's about all I do that requires cell data and can't be done better over wifi. I do all my app updating and podcast downloading over wifi (dogcatcher has a simple checkbox to only download podcasts over wifi).

My guess is all this is being tooled up in preparation for some kind of "sql slammer" type of worm. Get everything ready to mail out the overage charges, then release the 10 gigs per hour worm and watch the profits roll in.

Re:Rise of the discount carriers (4, Informative)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022383)

When I first bought my latest phone from Verizon (back in March), it had with it a widget showing my data usage for the month. Then, several weeks later, it went away with a software update. Now I know why.

Re:Rise of the discount carriers (3, Insightful)

dave562 (969951) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022563)

I didn't even notice until you said something. I went to check, and the app is gone on my phone too (Droid Razr on Verizon). Those scum sucking bastards.

Re:Rise of the discount carriers (1)

nicholasbbyrd (2615777) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022147)

Market manipulation would be your answer.

Re:Rise of the discount carriers (1)

jbolden (176878) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022157)

There isn't really that much of a swing if you do an apples to apples comparison. It works out to about $10 / mo for the cut rate vs. the brand names once you add everything back in. That's not a bad swing if you are OK with lower quality customer service when there is a problem and slightly more frequent problems.

Re:Rise of the discount carriers (1)

no_such_user (196771) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022627)

If "el-cheapo" refers to MVNO [wikipedia.org] operators like Virgin, Boost, Page Plus, etc., they're cheaper, but they're just resellers of the big four. As soon as they're seen as a threat, their carriers will up their wholesale costs and MVNOs will be forced to charge rates matching the carriers they're reselling.

But why does this announcement surprise anyone? Let's not forget, the subscribers are not the customers -- the shareholders are. Until there's a carrier where those two parties are one and the same, the subscribers will always, always be on the losing end of the deal.

Verizon is just too damn expensive.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022013)

I'm paying $50/month for 450 minutes and 500 texts.

I used to pay $90/month for the same minutes and texts but with unlimited data when I had my HTC eris.

I downgraded (to not break the contract) to my older phone because that was when verizon started to cap your 3G speeds by as much as 80% if you went over 200megabytes of data.

Now, I'm realizing that I don't need a smartphone since I'm on a computer everyday and have a laptop for when I travel... so, that $50/month is just expensive considering how much minutes and texting I get.

I will switch over to T-mobile

Re:Verizon is just too damn expensive.... (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022205)

I'm paying $50/month for 450 minutes and 500 texts.

Are you actually using 450/500 or are you paying for the option to use up to that amount but only using a fraction of that?

I was paying about $8 to $10/month for virgin mobile pay as I go.

You can calculate the crossover point of pay as you go vs contract and its really quite a bit of use, darn near a part time job. I'm convinced most contract people would be better off pay as you go. Not all, but most.

Just to spite them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022053)

I'll be downloading torrents and the like on my unlimited data plan while it's still here.

Like a tick (4, Funny)

sdo1 (213835) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022063)

They're sort of like a tick that attaches itself to a host and keep engorging itself until it pops.

It's gotten itself firmly attached to the wallets of 93 million people. Now it's sucking hard. The pop will come enough...

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/19/verizon-quarterly-revenues-q1-2012/ [engadget.com]

Just another reason to dump Verizon. (4, Funny)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022069)

Too bad. They used to be better than the rest. Those were the days. It's unfortunate that they're such dimwits too. Yes, capacity is a problem, until up put a mini-switch/router on every 12th telephone and power pole and then it isn't. The technical problem is solvable, but they'd have to spend some money renting space, placing and maintaining equipment and getting easements. Stock prices would fall for a quarter and some exec wouldn't waddle away with the bonus he truly believes he deserves.

Re:Just another reason to dump Verizon. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022221)

Theyd much rather spend money on more ads

Re:Just another reason to dump Verizon. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022597)

this was modded funny and I kept waiting for the punch line, then I didn't find one. okayguy.jpg

Dont you love... (5, Insightful)

bolthole (122186) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022075)

how they market speak that shared plan people are "allowed to pool" their network usage. Rather than the more accurate "forced to share usage". It puts people on family plans at the mercy of their teenage daughter. DOOOOOOoooommmmm.....

Re:Dont you love... (1)

dzym (544085) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022153)

Also those non-phone devices you will be purchasing at un-subsidized prices. Wonderful.

Re:Dont you love... (1)

gral (697468) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022175)

Or it forces you to pay ~$5 per phone to put a cap on the usage.

Re:Dont you love... (0)

musikit (716987) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022437)

maybe then you will parent up and actually monitor you child's usage. or do what my parents did when i wanted my own (wired) phone. you pay for it yourself. she wants all that data usage without your monitoring, she's gotta pay the $80 herself. man/woman up. and be a parent for once.

Still the best coverage in the US (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40022249)

..which is way more important if you have to make an emergency call in the boondocks. Besides, wi-fi.spots are a dime a dozen these days

Re:Still the best coverage in the US (2)

Protoslo (752870) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022351)

I agree. I have a grandfathered plan and this news is somewhat alarming, but many times I have been with other people who have Sprint or AT&T that hit dead spots the moment they leave major metropolitan areas and the interstates. That was the reason I switched to Verizon in the first place. I can't really make a credible threat to leave Verizon, because even with whatever capped plan they introduce (the current ones are ~2GB only!) it is unlikely that Verizon will actually be worse in general than AT&T, etc.

Ugh. (4, Funny)

cmv1087 (2426970) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022343)

Verizon's unlimited 3G meant I could play Pandora through my phone while I was driving without worrying about data caps. :s And they have very good coverage from what I noticed. I guess this means I'll just have to actually use my iPod or something, assuming I can remember where I put it and a way to set it up to either play through the car radio or into my hearing aid.

My contract is up anyhow and I need to trim down expenses. I have the HTC Droid Incredible, which is a nifty enough little phone. All I really need is texting, email, and maybe some minimum amount of minutes. A camera on it would be convenient. I really don't want to move from Verizon because I know their coverage is solid, but I don't want to reward their greedy data tier plan behavior. Any recommendations?

Ok then (1)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022353)

Goodbye. Guess you don't want my money anymore. Or rather, you obviously do, you just want more of it. You got greedy, now you get none.

I'm glad they are doing this (3, Insightful)

Burning1 (204959) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022385)

I'm glad they are doing this. I'm currently paying ~$100 a month, and the only reason I keep Verizon is that I'm not on contract, and I have an unlimited plan that would be impossible to replace if I cancelled.

I've been with Verizon since owning a Motorola Startac. Killing the unlimited plan should make the switch to another provider painless.

Re:I'm glad they are doing this (1)

dave562 (969951) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022619)

I've been with Verizon since owning a Motorola Startac.

Are you sure about that? The Startac came out before "Verizon Wireless" was even incorporated.

Not a surprise (5, Insightful)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022423)

According to Nokia Siemens Networks, the average amount of smartphone data used per day is 15MB (about 450MB per month). If you're using ten times that amount on a grandfathered plan that costs you peanuts, it's hardly surprising that someone somewhere will run the numbers and work out that you are of no value to the company.

By all means shout "right, that's it! I'm off to Sprint!" but it'll be a hollow victory as Verizon will probably be more than happy to see the back of you.

I have never used more than 800meg each month (0)

MONSTER_RANCHER (818780) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022447)

I have never used more than 800meg each month, But somehow I will feel cheated if I dont still have the unlimited.

Re:I have never used more than 800meg each month (2)

Life2Death (801594) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022549)

I too was ready to throw in the towel for phones but I was happy to talk to an alltel provider who was happy to sell me unlimited everything. This included their USB cell modems, so it was an easy choice to switch to them and keep having a cell phone.

My fiance had verizon and her phone was so locked it wouldnt even let you download pictures it took, compared to mine which was the same model. I was disgusted by cell phones.

Then VZW purchased them and its been going south ever since. The only reason I have a phone is because its an android, i can hack it if i want to, and I have unlimited data which is fair for the price i'm paying. I get 100Mbps cable for less than my phone gets 1.5Mbps

Take this away and I feel like you're screwing me harder for phones that now come with crapware, keep installing more crapware, and your support shoots me in the face when my phone overheats and dies in front of you because i have "done bad things to my phones software" which they cannot prove.

share usb stick with cell plan? (1)

ncohafmuta (577957) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022485)

It will also allow individuals to share data across different 4G LTE devices

does that mean we can now share our 4G cell phone data plan with a 4G usb stick and not have to buy another stupid data plan for it?? because i'm all for that.

Which wouldn't be bad... IF (1)

hsmith (818216) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022505)

They actually increased the GB allotment.

AT&T has been at $30 for 2GB for four fucking years now, I mean, if they upped it 1GB a year it would seem reasonable - but to keep the bandwidth static is absolute BS.

I don't mind paying, if it is fair.

Sudden sudden Schadenfreude (1)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022599)

Sorry, can't help it. I stuck with Verizon from God knows how many years, switched to my first data plan this year knowing that lucky first adopters had it unlimited and now this brings a sweet joy of satisfaction and sort of commie style equality: NOW we all are in this shit together.

Selling a limited resource as "unlimited" (1)

mdvolm (68424) | more than 2 years ago | (#40022629)

Is this really that bad? Selling a limited resource as "unlimited" is not sustainable. I'd rather have the smaller proportion of folks who use a larger proportion of data pay more for it. So what?

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