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Android Hackers Honing Skills In Russia

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the practice-makes-perfect dept.

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MikeatWired writes "The malware business growing around Google Android — now the leading smartphone operating system — is still in its infancy. Today, many of the apps built to steal money from Android users originate from Russia and China, so criminal gangs there have become cyber-trailblazers. Sophos and Symantec on Wednesday released their latest Android malware discoveries written in Russian. While the language narrows the number of potential victims, the social-engineering tactics used to get Android users to install the malware is universal. The gang tracked by Sophos is using fake antivirus scanners, while Symantec is tracking cybercriminals using mobile websites to offer bogus versions of popular games. Sophos says the criminals are like other entrepreneurs launching startups. They're starting in Russia, but have far greater ambitions. 'I don't think we can say that they're necessarily using it as a testing ground — think of it more as a local business that as it grows may gain multinational ambitions,' Graham Cluley, senior technology consultant at Sophos, said in an email interview on Wednesday. The cyber scam tracked by Sophos was reported this week by GFI Lab, which discovered links to the bogus antivirus software on Twitter. Sophos dug deeper and found that the .ru domains pointed to the same Internet protocol address hosted in Ukraine."

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Android is virus laden (-1, Troll)

kspas (2641929) | more than 2 years ago | (#40036773)

After seeing all these virus and malware problems with Android, who wants to use it anymore? You cannot even download from their app store without getting infected!

Just get an iPhone or Windows Phone 7 and be done with it. At least Apple and Microsoft knows something about security.

Re:Android is virus laden (5, Informative)

Noitatsidem (1701520) | more than 2 years ago | (#40036873)

Your desktop likely has the same malware problems any android phone will have. Why? It's not a walled garden. Well, android is in a sense more of a walled garden than your desktop, however not nearly as much of one as iOS/WP. Android virus infections are the result of a pebkac, and nothing more. In other news, I was originally going to make a soviet Russia joke.

Re:Android is virus laden (0)

abednegoyulo (1797602) | more than 2 years ago | (#40036915)

I'd mod you up if I could...

Re:Android is virus laden (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40036955)

PEBKAC isn't really relevant in this context. In any case if you for whatever reason want your phone to be as open as your computer then you need to take those extra precautions of a non-locked down system, if you choose a walled-garden approach instead you don't have to concern yourself with such things nearly as much...but that's the great thing about the choice of mobile platforms in today's market.

Re:Android is virus laden (1)

Noitatsidem (1701520) | more than 2 years ago | (#40037117)

Touch screen keyboards totally count. Either way, you're correct, if you choose to live walled in, you're more than welcome to. If you don't, you'd best be smart about it.

Re:Android is virus laden (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037467)

Most people buy android phones, not because they care about walled gardens vs open systems. Most people buy android phones because they are cheaper. Such people don't read slashdot or geek news sites. They don't even know they got anything to be smart about. Add to that that people are not used to worry about such things when their phone is considered (unlike the PC, where everyone knows that you should have some kind of anti-virus software installed) and what you get is a great environment for malware to spread and flourish in.

Android phones are phones designed by geeks for geeks and sold to the average person who don't care as much about the tech and the platform. That is a design flaw that can be remedied by geeks repeating the mantra "it is unsafe because you are using it wrong".

Re:Android is virus laden (1)

progician (2451300) | more than 2 years ago | (#40039045)

Well, I should now say that it all boils down to education. I see people having classes in IT which usually means to learn how to handle Microsoft Word and Excel, after they teach how to use Teh Internet. Instead of indoctrinating specific business solutions to people, education should focus on matters of: * Data organisation, protection, privacy * Finding the best tool for the job, whatever that would be. * Running ONLY trusted software on the computer. This could range from certified, and community verified software if there's no other choice, to those with community reviewed source code (Like FLOSS). * Communication: Understand the complete workings of email systems, chat, and social networks. These things, perhaps wrapped in to the age-specific constrains and theme, should be at the heart of IT education. There's a shit load of users out there, and they are fearfully ignorant, thus really dangerous. At least in regards of themselves.

Re:Android is virus laden (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037137)

Android's biggest malware problem is users who intentionally went in and set WALLED_GARDEN=OFF so they could install warez.

Yes, Google's app store has some crappy policies which let malware slip through, but most of it is users bringing it on themselves.

Re:Android is virus laden (1)

Noitatsidem (1701520) | more than 2 years ago | (#40037181)

That's pretty much what I was getting at. Stupid Anonymous Coward, you'll never get modded up like this! D=

Re:Android is virus laden (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037233)

Thank you for taking a stand for the /. karma system, Noitatsidem (1701520) (email not shown publicly), we need more users like you.

Re:Android is virus laden (3, Informative)

progician (2451300) | more than 2 years ago | (#40039079)

Alright, but you see, you can turn that off on any system. See, people jailbreak their iPhones too. I have no experience with WP but there must be a way. My point is, the malware problem actually goes deeper than these shallow observations.

Companies, like Apple, Google, Microsoft have their spyware already in place, and most of the people don't bother at all. So what difference does it make, if you let other people spy on you?

It is about the mindset of the user. Walled garden is the worst solution to this problem because while you leaving behind the "wild-west" of untrusted sources of software, in practice you just give the control of your device over to an other profit-driven company.

Instead, we should "empower" the user with the knowledge and control over their devices and the rest is their making. If someone is stupid enough to download whatever application is offered, they will learn on the hard way.

Re:Android is virus laden (1)

gtall (79522) | more than 2 years ago | (#40039865)

Apple is unlikely to root your bank account without your permission.

Re:Android is virus laden (1)

Antarius (542615) | more than 2 years ago | (#40040679)

No, but they are likely to give away your credit card details for no apparent reason.

In my case, it was the opposite - they gave me someone else's credit card details. I logged into my iTunes account once and discovered a credit card listed there, despite never having entered any details. Card number, cardholder's name, expiry and CCV, all there for me to read and, if I was morally bankrupt, exploit.

If it was a Union Official, I'd have to have ordered a few hookers with his card. >:)

Re:Android is virus laden (1)

progician (2451300) | more than 2 years ago | (#40041397)

Probably not, but they could sell the information about your user habits just as easily. They can mess with your device, deleting content, forcing content, tracking you without your consent.

Re:Android is virus laden (1)

DJRumpy (1345787) | more than 2 years ago | (#40039789)

Android's biggest malware problem is users who intentionally went in and set WALLED_GARDEN=OFF so they could install warez.

Don't some big party apps from Amazon require this setting to be turned off?

Re:Android is virus laden (4, Insightful)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 2 years ago | (#40037935)

PEBKAC isn't really relevant in this context. In any case if you for whatever reason want your phone to be as open as your computer then you need to take those extra precautions of a non-locked down system, if you choose a walled-garden approach instead you don't have to concern yourself with such things nearly as much...but that's the great thing about the choice of mobile platforms in today's market.

Problem is, people want phones - something they can pick up and play with immediately. Not think about it nor have antivirus/antispyware software installed and running as well like their PCs.

Plus, with all the coolness surrounding apps, you have the Dancing Pigs [wikipedia.org] problem - people just want to go to the app store or market, click download and get going on that cool app. It's why sites all have direct links to the stores, or QR codes to scan - to get that app in the user's hands ASAP. As a result, they're not going to look at stuff like permission lists and such because that's just getting in the way of running the app.

Hell, ICS made it even easier to install apps without seeing the permission list - tap install and it takes you to the permission screen, but the install button is near the top and the permissions at the bottom. Users are more likely to just tap "download" rather than pull their eyes down and over the permission list.

Of course, the other thing is, Android makes it easy to sideload apps, so people love searching Bittorrent for new apps...

Re:Android is virus laden (1)

progician (2451300) | more than 2 years ago | (#40039131)

True, but unfortunately the response to the Dancing Pigs problem is to leave the security issues to "expert companies" and thus putting the "technologically ignorant user" to trust in a company which has one and only goal: make the user a life-long consumer (not a customer!) and stuffing them whatever shit they make. The Dancing Pig problem also true for operating systems which is not the making of some shady black hat socio-paths but Trusted Companies with CEOs in suits. I desperately lobby for pushing the IT education to the level of an experienced user. People are using digital devices all the time, for years now, and seemingly have not evolved as users. And anything you want to teach them, they dismiss because it takes some focus. We must start at age 5 minimum to catch the attentions.

Re:Android is virus laden (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037399)

But the desktop has a mature anti-malware and anti-virus ecosystem and market. The android platform, not so much.

Re:Android is virus laden (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037531)

Thanks. You showed me a new *useful* word... pebkac [computing.net]

I link it here as I did not know what it was. It refers to the problem existing between keyboard and chair.

So true.

Re:Android is virus laden (0)

B2382F29 (742174) | more than 2 years ago | (#40038161)

You're one of today's lucky 10000: http://xkcd.com/1053/ [xkcd.com]

Re:Android is virus laden (1)

cyberstealth1024 (860459) | more than 2 years ago | (#40050385)

lol

Re:Android is virus laden (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037769)

Over the last 15 years Slashdot has told me that Windows' security is terrible and that's the reason why so many people have problems.

Now that a Linux-based OS has suddenly found itself the target of malware writers, suddenly Slashdot changes its tune.

Typical.

Re:Android is virus laden (2, Insightful)

progician (2451300) | more than 2 years ago | (#40039169)

The android problem has nothing to do with the fact the kernel is Linux. Linux based operating systems are tend to be secure because there's a community maintained software repository accompanied to them. Most of the software can be review by anybody because the source code is available. Also, you are completely in charge of your computer if you're choosing the right distro. Android is partially open only, and Google Play don't have the same approval mechanism like the Debian's repository. Once we get some Debian alike distro on our mobiles, we can say that we have a secure operating system on our mobile devices.

Re:Android is virus laden (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40042695)

No, Debian doesn't prevent people from installing pirated Valve games from some *.RU server. (Just like Android users.) Put enough people on Linux, and they will find a way to get malware infections. This is a human problem, not technology.

Re:Android is virus laden (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037839)

In other news, I'm so damn sick of the phrase "walled garden".

Re:Android is virus laden (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40038381)

it's an apt phrase, so get over it or think of a better thing to call it. in the case of iOS "fortified dung" might work.

Re:Android is virus laden (1)

progician (2451300) | more than 2 years ago | (#40041455)

It's a(n?) euphemism for monopolist aspirations.

Re:Android is virus laden (3, Insightful)

tywjohn (1676686) | more than 2 years ago | (#40036885)

Unfortunately I agree. I used to love Android when it was at version 2.x but I have since been using an iPhone (provided by my employer). Now that I have seen all the malware floating around the Android Market, I don't think I will go back. I'm not anti-Google. I use a lot of Google services and I'm not one of those privacy concerned people. But I do care about installed crap software on my devices whether it be a phone of a computer.

Re:Android is virus laden (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037259)

Protip: If you care about installed crap software, simply don't install said crap software in the first place.

I don't think anythink compels you to get every free/$0.99 app from Market or download and install whole CNet archive.

Re:Android is virus laden (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037815)

I haven't seen any malware in the Android market, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Even if there *WAS* any, it's not in there any more, since you know... it gets removed.

I sure hope you like pretending that the walled garden is any better, as pointed out by Charlie Miller's (getting malware past the gatekeepers, and getting over 10k+ installs).

Re:Android is virus laden (3, Interesting)

Ukab the Great (87152) | more than 2 years ago | (#40037529)

I agree. Human behavior is a valid engineering problem, and reducing certain functionality to get around it for certain situations is a valid engineering tradeoff. A problem is a problem, keyboard and chair are irrelevant. Apple would rather deal with angry geeks who scream about freedom and openness and who like most geeks have no functional concept of engineering tradeoffs than have dimitri and olga kill somebody because they intentionally (or even worse, accidentally) disabled 911 access when they tried to pwn someone's Android device through the pirated copy of Hot Nude Bolshevik Solitaire the user downloaded from Leonid's Spice Dicey Back Alley Appstore.

Re:Android is virus laden (2)

progician (2451300) | more than 2 years ago | (#40039185)

Can't we get both? I mean, freedom to have complete control over our devices and only trusted applications running on it? For me it sounds like it was the same problem: Apple is not a trusted company. Neither is. But me, as a geek, I'm trusted already by my friends and family to fix their fucked up devices. So for the same reason, the software I use, should be trusted by them. Can't we build repositories based on trusted social connections, rather than profit-driven business entities?

Re:Android is virus laden (1)

gtall (79522) | more than 2 years ago | (#40039901)

Uh...okay, I'll go first. Who is going to pay for these repositories and why should they do that? Who is going to vet the apps on them? Who is going to do system maintenance to preserve their virginal bunny world? Who is going to clean them up when something naughty gets loose? Who is going to receive a sueball when an app turns out to be Satan's New and Improved Bank Crank? Who is going to pay the lawyers to handle the sueball?

Are you really from this planet?

Re:Android is virus laden (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40046059)

Uh...okay, I'll go first. Who is going to pay for these repositories and why should they do that? Who is going to vet the apps on them? Who is going to do system maintenance to preserve their virginal bunny world? Who is going to clean them up when something naughty gets loose? Who is going to receive a sueball when an app turns out to be Satan's New and Improved Bank Crank? Who is going to pay the lawyers to handle the sueball?

Are you really from this planet?

Hmm, interesting. Are you talking about Android or Linux in general? I only ask because seriously your entire post sounds *exactly* like the sort of thing Linux distro repositories have been doing for decades without issue. No reason Android can't be different.

Re:Android is virus laden (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40038233)

> Just get an iPhone or Windows Phone 7 and be done with it

just get a Nokia 1208 or some other dump monochrome cellphone with good old keyboard

Re:Android is virus laden (1)

CosaNostra Pizza Inc (1299163) | more than 2 years ago | (#40041987)

After seeing all these virus and malware problems with Android, who wants to use it anymore? You cannot even download from their app store without getting infected! Just get an iPhone or Windows Phone 7 and be done with it. At least Apple and Microsoft knows something about security.

I'd mod you down if I could. IOS and OSX have malware, too.

Stop posting these anti-google articles!! (-1)

Headlines (2641905) | more than 2 years ago | (#40036779)

What the hell is up with this recent flood of anti-google articles and comments on Slashdot? Has Slashdot been hired by Microsoft, Apple and/or Facebook to do smear attack campaign on Google?

Just leave Google alone. They're a great company and don't deserve this bullshit with half-truth stories. They actually care about you. They give you free things. They release open source. They fight for your rights. SO LEAVE GOOGLE ALONE!

Slashdot used to be a better place. We would fight against evils like Bill Gates and Microsoft (a convicted monopolist). We would promote open source. But now.. now you are attacking the very companies that make FOSS great.

JUST LEAVE GOOGLE ALONE!!

Re:Stop posting these anti-google articles!! (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#40036791)

In the farthest right bottom corner you'll find a link labelled "Sumbit Story". Click it.

Re:Stop posting these anti-google articles!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40036855)

Ever wonder why:

1) The borg logo is gone from MS articles?
2) Many pro-Linux articles have first posts related to Microsoft or posted with intentions of muddying the comments?
3) Many anti-MS articles have first posts defending MS or attacking or mocking the Linux or Slashdot Linux friendly user base?
4... and so on?

Microsoft shills are everywhere, it's not difficult to see.

Re:Stop posting these anti-google articles!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037031)

Ever wonder why:

1) The borg logo is gone from MS articles?

Probably not relevant anymore since every other company just has their logo, pretty logical, but that's not really your thing i suppose.

2) Many pro-Linux articles have first posts related to Microsoft or posted with intentions of muddying the comments?

Yes it's called Trolling and they use the Firehose [slashdot.org] , very simple...but your conspiracy theory is nice too :)

3) Many anti-MS articles have first posts defending MS or attacking or mocking the Linux or Slashdot Linux friendly user base?

Yeah because the anti-Google article doesn't have any posts defending Google and attacking Microsoft...oh wait. The article has nothing to do with Microsoft and doesn't serve their interests any more than it serves the interests of companies like Apple or Facebook...oh but Microsoft is evil and controls the world, is must be their work, in fact they own Russia and China too so this Android malware is all Microsoft's doing!!!

Microsoft shills are everywhere, it's not difficult to see.

Yes i'm sure microsoft actually pays people to do this but when it's any other company like Google or Apple or Facebook or Oracle it's just 'trolls' or 'fanbois'.

Well done keeping the conspiracy theories ticking over and continuing to not let logic stand in the way!

Re:Stop posting these anti-google articles!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037357)

That's one hell of a Firehose mastery. Go check them timestamps on three [slashdot.org] first [slashdot.org] posts [slashdot.org] from new accounts here, then compare them to the article's timestamp, then compare poster's UIDs.

No directed effort (either shill or honest, non-for-profit troll, doesn't matter), just pure coincidence, I'm sure. Just like all the same-minute-page-long-troll-first-post fresh accounts with agenda before them.

Re:Stop posting these anti-google articles!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037427)

That's one hell of a Firehose mastery. Go check them timestamps on three [slashdot.org] first [slashdot.org] posts [slashdot.org] from new accounts here, then compare them to the article's timestamp, then compare poster's UIDs.

Idiots like you never cease to amaze me, notice how the article has the post time, not the submitter time and that comments aren't ever prior to the post time, like between the submission and post times? No? Didn't think so.

Oh and there are always plenty of examples of it in other stories too, like this one [slashdot.org] on the front page, but i guess you are only looking to make a case to link your conspiracy to microsoft so again facts and logic should be ignored, carry on.

Re:Stop posting these anti-google articles!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037807)

That's one hell of a Firehose mastery. Go check them timestamps on three [slashdot.org] first [slashdot.org] posts [slashdot.org] from new accounts here, then compare them to the article's timestamp, then compare poster's UIDs.

Holy crap, look this guy [slashdot.org] managed it too, wow he must be a shill!

Re:Stop posting these anti-google articles!! (0)

scot4875 (542869) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044105)

Probably, yeah. Another sockpuppet account to score some easy karma and mod points.

--Jeremy

Re:Stop posting these anti-google articles!! (2)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#40036897)

This is possible on Android because you can install software from anywhere, including Google's Play marketplace, Amazon and other places, or just side-loading apk files. Google's market is affectively malware-free, although the occasional software may pop up again in the future there because they don't have an extremely intrusive evaluation process. Maybe they, or someone else should create one. This is the price you pay for freedom ... you're not trading for security. This is not an anti-Google story.

That said, yes, there are a lot of anti-Google stories, far more than there are for those that are the most likely for funding them (FaceBook was caught before, but I think there are others as well). They will eventually be caught, and the vast majority of the population will ignore the news, just like the vast majority ignore the anti-Google stories and continue to fund pooly behaved companies based on trends, fashion, and advertising.

Re:Stop posting these anti-google articles!! (1)

dudpixel (1429789) | more than 2 years ago | (#40037369)

Google's market is affectively malware-free, although the occasional software may pop up again in the future there because they don't have an extremely intrusive evaluation process. Maybe they, or someone else should create one.

Something like "Google Bouncer" ?

http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2012/02/android-and-security.html [blogspot.com]

Its been around since early 2011.

Of course, it only scans Google's own store. I'm still surprised at the number of people who aren't aware of it. I can understand why Google may not want to advertise it too much (such a system can never be perfect), but at the same time it is hurting them not to.

Re:Stop posting these anti-google articles!! (1)

fluffy99 (870997) | more than 2 years ago | (#40037699)

Google's market is affectively malware-free, although the occasional software may pop up again in the future there because they don't have an extremely intrusive evaluation process.

I guess that depends on your definition of malware. There have been plenty of obvious malware detected so far. There's plenty of crap on the Google Market with excessive permissions that happily invades your privacy by doing things like uploading your contacts to a foreign website, or tracking your calling, texts, location and surfing habits.

A major problem is users not understanding how permissions work and clicking to install anyway. Adding to this is the inability to selectively deny or alter those permissions from within the Market. There are additional utilities out there that can configure the permissions or iptables, but the average user who blindly accepts the permissions doesn't have them.

Re:Stop posting these anti-google articles!! (2)

IntlHarvester (11985) | more than 2 years ago | (#40038275)

The issue is Android's permission system is all technical wonkery and doesn't map well onto actual human use cases.

For example, you could have a perfectly legit app which needs Internet access (why not?), and address book access (for sharing functions), but you still have no idea if they could/would sell upload your contacts and sell them to spammers. Not to mention all Android apps ask you for these permissions, even Google's apps.

Android permissions is what you get when you ask computer scientists to solve what is essentially a legal and 'trust' problem that requires some human judgement. This is a very difficult problem to solve, but "users don't understand permissions" is not really the problem.

Re:Stop posting these anti-google articles!! (1)

alostpacket (1972110) | more than 2 years ago | (#40042595)

Yes and no. I think you are quite right in that they have a bit too much engineering in the solutions and not enough "human." But they do think through some of it quite a bit more than one might guess from a glance. For example, the INTERNET permission is something that was made intentionally broad in scope. Additionally any app can send an HTTP get or post request via the browser (no permission needed). These two things were done intentionally to not cripple apps right out of the gate. If they had made it more restrictive, there would be complaints about how the phone is constantly asking if I want to deny/allow stuff (like those Mac v PC commercials). /my $0.99

Re:Stop posting these anti-google articles!! (1)

fluffy99 (870997) | more than 2 years ago | (#40048021)

I agree.

The one permission that most people misunderstand is READ_PHONE_STATE, which is usually explained as the app wants to know if the phone is off-hook. It also happens to give the app the ability to see the phone numbers you're talking to, the IMEI unique identifier, etc. If your friend, who loves Chia-Pets calls you, your ads might suddenly start showing Chia-Pets.

This is a tough one, because you still have to trust the app, and if the app is targeted for Android 1.5 it will always request these permissions for compatibility reasons. Denying this permission seems to break most apps.

Absurd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037867)

That said, yes, there are a lot of anti-Google stories, far more than there are for those that are the most likely for funding them (FaceBook was caught before, but I think there are others as well). They will eventually be caught, and the vast majority of the population will ignore the news, just like the vast majority ignore the anti-Google stories and continue to fund pooly behaved companies based on trends, fashion, and advertising.

There aren't a "lot" of anti-Google stories, any more than would be expected given the news surrounding Google in the industry today. You're suffering from a cognitive bias in that you only remember the negative stories and ignore all the positive that get posted. And that is because you're emotionally attached to Google.

If you really believe that anti-Google stories are "funded" or that Facebook was "caught before" (if you think Slashdot's editors are in cahoots with Facebook, where is your proof and why the hell are you still posting here?), then you're a kook, plain and simple.

In fact, your post about evil companies funding anti-Google stories sounds an awful lot like all the anonymous posts we keep seeing ranting about shills, so maybe you've outed yourself there.

Re:Stop posting these anti-google articles!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40036925)

*squints* can't tell if clever satire alluding to "leave brittney alone" meme, or just butthurt fanboi.

Re:Stop posting these anti-google articles!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037241)

What the hell is up with this recent flood of anti-google articles and comments on Slashdot? Has Slashdot been hired by Microsoft, Apple and/or Facebook to do smear attack campaign on Google?

Just leave Google alone. They're a great company and don't deserve this bullshit with half-truth stories. They actually care about you. They give you free things. They release open source. They fight for your rights. SO LEAVE GOOGLE ALONE!

Slashdot used to be a better place. We would fight against evils like Bill Gates and Microsoft (a convicted monopolist). We would promote open source. But now.. now you are attacking the very companies that make FOSS great.

go away shill! Google is a convicted unfair competitor [pcworld.com] , convicted patent infringer [engadget.com] , copyright infringer [sys-con.com] and even paid bloggers [dailymail.co.uk] (yes they had paid shills working for them!) to promote their web browser!

Microsoft is evil, Apple is evil, Oracle is evil, Facebook is evil and so is Google! The only reason there is a perception that they aren't is that they have the motto 'don't be evil' and morons like you lap that up and just ignore it when Google does wrong.

Re:Stop posting these anti-google articles!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40044055)

A new account for karma whoring, eh bonch?

I'm not going to use Android anymore (-1, Troll)

The God of Code (2641925) | more than 2 years ago | (#40036781)

I'm sick and tired of these malware problems and poor quality hardware and software. On a freaking phone. Tomorrow I'm going to get a Nokia Lumia phone. That's it, farewell Android.

Re:I'm not going to use Android anymore (2)

andydread (758754) | more than 2 years ago | (#40036991)

How many times have you Android phone been infected?

Re:I'm not going to use Android anymore (-1, Offtopic)

Caratted (806506) | more than 2 years ago | (#40037373)

First post ever, almost 3mil UID, MS shills off the charts lately, etc.

you fed the troll, now others who peruse at reasonable karma levels will see this drivel...

Why bother (4, Funny)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#40036807)

With android isn't it just easier to write a legitimate app and just rake in the cash? I don't see the reasoning behind going through all the extra effort, the money laundering, etc.

Reaction (5, Funny)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40036835)

With android isn't it just easier to write a legitimate app and just rake in the cash?

HA HA HA HO HE HA HA HA HA.

Re:Reaction (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40036999)

Oh, hey iTroll. Still sucking turds out of Jobs' decaying asshole?

Re:Reaction (0)

dudpixel (1429789) | more than 2 years ago | (#40037341)

I've made over $5K off a single live wallpaper. How much have you made on iOS?

More Thanks (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40037385)

I've made over $5K off a single live wallpaper.

That's nice.

How much have you made on iOS?

More, but it's really crude to bring up specifics.

As a consultant you can do pretty well in either space, but if you are trying to sell an app for money you are going to do better (much better) on iOS still. That's regardless of genre...

But my reaction was really platform neutral. You cannot simply "whip something up" as the OP seemed to imply, and get rich the way the guys with the exploits are getting rich off burgled CC details and the like.

Re:More Thanks (1)

dudpixel (1429789) | more than 2 years ago | (#40037491)

meh, I dont know how to program in objective C (i've had a look at it). I can use C/C++, java, python, perl, and have used forms of BASIC in the past too.

I could possibly make more money on iOS, however I'm not really interested. It could just as easily be a huge waste of my time, due to the size of the market now.

So yeah, in the context of commercial development I would have to say you're right, but there is still A market on Android, even if it isn't as lucrative as the others.

Re:More Thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037831)

You do realize that the genre the OP spoke about isn't actually available on the competing platform, yes? If you wrote a live wallpaper for both platforms, Android would always make more money.

Re:More Thanks (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#40038079)

Well, they both make money. And how hard is it to port wallpaper?

Re:More Thanks (1)

noh8rz3 (2593935) | more than 2 years ago | (#40047455)

It's really hard, considering there are no wallpaper apps on iPhone.

Re:More Thanks (1)

dudpixel (1429789) | more than 2 years ago | (#40061191)

If iOS ever supports live wallpapers, I guess I'll find out won't I?

Re:More Thanks (1)

nomaddamon (1783058) | more than 2 years ago | (#40039437)

If you live off ad-revenue, then neither Android or iOS is going to feed you. One of our iOS apps manged to fall to 0.006 eCPM while pubCenter (WP7) has 0.4 - 1.3 eCPM for the same app

Re:Reaction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037895)

*chokes on coffee*

Are you really trying to compare developer revenues between Android and iOS? iOS wins that matchup, hands-down. That's not even trolling, just a statement of fact according to the numbers.

Re:Reaction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40040079)

Why exactly are you on this site?

Any money you've made from iOS is from shilling on slashdot.

Re:Why bother (2)

Headlines (2641905) | more than 2 years ago | (#40036875)

With android isn't it just easier to write a legitimate app and just rake in the cash? I don't see the reasoning behind going through all the extra effort, the money laundering, etc.

Oh dear god that's a good joke. Every single developer is saying that Android makes them the least amount of income. Even Windows Phone 7 is better. iPhone is on top.

Re:Why bother (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | more than 2 years ago | (#40036945)

I guess you bet him at his own game. Windows Phone 7 apps do better than android? Do you also see pigs flying around?

Re:Why bother (2)

TheLink (130905) | more than 2 years ago | (#40038725)

You might actually do better on Windows Phone 7 than Android if Microsoft is throwing $$$$$ at you to write apps for their struggling platform.

http://techland.time.com/2012/04/06/microsoft-wants-developers-to-create-windows-phones-apps-so-bad-its-paying-them/ [time.com]

Re:Why bother (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | more than 2 years ago | (#40039101)

It is paying developers of Top Android & iPhone apps to develop Windows Phone 7 equivalents. I would infact be surprised if Microsoft did not.

Re:Why bother (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037577)

Tetris for the Android, mmm..

Lore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40036881)

You mean they found Lore in Russia?

Symantec (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40036911)

Symantec (a seller of anti-virus software) says there are viruses EVERYWHERE! News at 11.

Never had a problem (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40036939)

Long, long time Android user and never had a problem. Then again, I don't download fart apps or pretty women wallpapers.

Re:Never had a problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037523)

No, but you probably downloaded a copy of a very popular game that someone else stole, added a virus to, re-signed and put back up on Play for you to download. I hope you clicked the right link to get there!

Android security is a fucking joke.

In my day... (1, Funny)

TheGothicGuardian (1138155) | more than 2 years ago | (#40037061)

Bah, you kids and your silly Russian hackers. Back in my day, when an android got hacked, it ended up going on a spree and killing half the town.

Re:In my day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037103)

that joke is pretty gay, and not in the San-Francisco-two-lovely-bears-holding-hands way either. die in a fire

Re:In my day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037147)

ur so cute.... can we cuddle? do you at least have a newsletter i can subscribe to?

In Soviet Russia... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037239)

When you pick up your phone, someone reaches out and touches YOU!

Brought to you by the same guys .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037343)

Who created all the fake anti-virus, system utilities, etc on PCs. I'd imagine that monetizing a virus on a phone would be similar, lock the device for ransom. These rackets are run by criminal organizations a lot more sophisticated then just a few programmers abusing local policies to lock a user out of their machine. Ransomware was lucrative at first on PCs and I'm sure phones with a large user base of technologically ignorant people who want to try their hands at piracy will be easy to swindle as well.

Nothing unexpected (1)

Dega704 (1454673) | more than 2 years ago | (#40037477)

It will be just like Windows. I recommend installing Common Sense 2012. Seriously, people need to start learning information street smarts so to speak. If they were walking home and some dude in a trench coat popped out and said "You're sick! Quick, bend over and let me give you this suppository!" would they listen to him? Every time someone throws up the "I'm not computer savvy" excuse card I want to punch them in the face. It's like wrecking your car and telling the mechanic "I don't know how to drive!" as an excuse.

Re:Nothing unexpected (1)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | more than 2 years ago | (#40037559)

I have found it very easy to avoid malware on my android phone. Most apps that seem fishy are pretty obvious, and I pay attention to what the app wants to be able to do as for as permissions go. If an app needs more permissions than I'm willing to give, then I generally don't bother. I have a few free apps that are ad supported... and I generally don't go trolling for sex and fart apps (as has been mentioned elsewhere in this discussion...)

Yes, openness has its drawbacks. But like Jefferson said... (paraphrasing) "I would rather have dangerous liberty than safe servitude." Some people are fine being pawns of Apple, Microsoft and the like. Others aren't. If everyone thought as most ./ users, there'd be no iPhone because it would've died on the vine. Diversity is what it is...

That doesn't make them any more correct that because they're locked down and restricted, that somehow they're better off... just less free.

Re:Nothing unexpected (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40039405)

I recently got myself a cheap Android tablet, and because I don't want Google knowing every little thing about me, I'm not putting personal information on there and it hasn't any phone features which can run up a bill, therefore I'm not overly concerned what permissions apps ask for, now considering the aforementioned details I came across a Doctor Who book as an purportedly ad supported app on the Google Play store, so it seems a little odd but I can accept the ad-supported book concept so I install it, then after I first open the book I get notifications saying something about a battery upgrade, and clicking on it takes me to a website to download a "battery upgrade" apk with instructions on how to enable side-loading and how to install it, obviously this "battery upgrade" is actually some form of malware, so I didn't install it, but it is easy to imagine that there are clueless enough people around to actually fall for it. So this is one route malware takes to bypass Google's checks on the Play store, on further investigation the book turned out to be one taken from the public domain section of Feedbooks and what's worse is they cut off the preface to the story when they edited it to make it look like they had the rights to it. The notifications stopped after I uninstalled the book and the book has now been removed from the Play store.

Thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037525)

Thanks, it's nice information,... to make my android protection.

In Russia... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037553)

the android hacks YOU.

That didn't make any sense.

Re:In Russia... (0)

wintermute000 (928348) | more than 2 years ago | (#40037639)

you obviously haven't been round here for long enough.... long running /. meme

In soviet russia.... (2)

wintermute000 (928348) | more than 2 years ago | (#40037637)

android hacks YOU

you 1nsensitive clod! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40037989)

can reealy ask of

Linux the major desktop operating system? (1)

Sussurros (2457406) | more than 2 years ago | (#40038573)

So do we really want Linux to become the major operating system for the desktop given what is happening in a different place where it has become dominant. In evolutionary terms, all extraordinarily successful types of creature come from the fringe of a core group, move somewhere else, and then return (or not). We tend to look at Linux as a creature alone but it stands at the branch of a tree that started with Mulics in 1964. We are the inheritors and the guardians of this gift.

Re:Linux the major desktop operating system? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40039443)

Linux is and always will be more diverse than its competitors, which in itself makes attacks against it more difficult, further to that the same sources of trusted software will continue to be available regardless of how much it increases in popularity.

Today, it isn't worth going looking for random Linux software to install off the web, because pretty much all of it will be in the repository of any decent distro (so long as it is Free).

Therefore if Linux suddenly became more popular and had significant amounts of malware written for it, it would still remain as safe to use for today's typical user. So, yes, I wouldn't have a problem with it being the major operating system.

Agreed & WHY... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051609)

"So do we really want Linux to become the major operating system for the desktop given what is happening in a different place where it has become dominant." - by Sussurros (2457406) on Friday May 18, @03:26AM (#40038573)

Android, a Linux variant, is being "torn up" on the security front for YEARS now!

Thus - proving ANDROID linux too, just like Windows (via it's dominance on the PC Desktop + Server arena combined), will be attacked & taken advantage of, once it too gains "top spot" marketshare/mindshare on ANY given computing platform... which on smartphones, ANDROID is "king" on that account (as well as for malware/exploits, etc./et al).

I've been stating for YEARS here in particular (amidst the "Linux = Secure & Windows != Secure" b.s. that was spread here for YEARS), that once a Linux gains top most used status on any computing platform, it would be burned "left & right" just as Windows has been on PCs!

"Lo & Behold" - this too has come to pass... no big surprise though - malware makers are JUST LIKE PICKPOCKETS, & go where the MOST "unsuspecting" noobz are (that's Windows on PC's & ANDROID Linux on smartphones) & attack them... which makes a LOT OF SENSE from their perspective: More "easy meat" targets to get "$" from!

Just like how pickpockets go to where the crowds of victims are for them (malls, city streets, bus & train stations etc.), they go after the top most used OS on any given computing platform... better "ROI" for their efforts expended on making a malware.

A portent of "additional things to come" too? Ok, take a read from 2011-2012:

2012:

Medicaid hack update: 500,000 records and 280,000 SSNs stolen:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/medicaid-hack-update-500000-records-and-280000-ssns-stolen/11444 [zdnet.com]

So, what's dts.utah.gov running everyone?

LINUX (and yes, it got HACKED) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=dts.utah.gov [netcraft.com]

What's health.utah.gov running too??

YOU GUESSED IT: LINUX AGAIN -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=health.utah.gov [netcraft.com]

* Ah, yes - see the YEARS OF /. "BS" FUD is CRUMBLING AROUND THE PENGUINS EARS HERE & 2012's starting out just like 2011 did below!

===

2011:

KERNEL.ORG COMPROMISED - The Cracking of Kernel.org: (that's VERY bad - do you trust it now?)

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/08/31/2321232/Kernelorg-Compromised [slashdot.org]

---

Linux.com pwned in fresh round of cyber break-ins:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/12/more_linux_sites_down/ [theregister.co.uk]

---

Mysql.com Hacked, Made To Serve Malware:

http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/09/26/2218238/mysqlcom-hacked-made-to-serve-malware [slashdot.org]

What's that site running? You guessed it - Linux -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=mysql.com [netcraft.com]

---

London Stock Exchange serving malware:

http://slashdot.org/submission/1484548/London-Stock-Exchange-Web-Site-Serving-Malware [slashdot.org]

(I mean hey - NOT ONLY DID LINUX FALL FLAT ON ITS FACE less than a few minutes into the job http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/02/19/0147232/London-Stock-Exchange-Price-Errors-Emerged-At-Linux-Launch [slashdot.org] , & crash not only ONCE, but TWICE there? You see "Linux 'fine security'" in motion @ the LSE too!)

---

DUQU ROOTKIT/BOTNET BEING SERVED FROM LINUX SERVERS:

http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/11/30/1610228/duqu-attackers-managed-to-wipe-cc-servers [slashdot.org]

---

Linux Foundation, Linux.com Sites Down To Fix Security Breach:

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/09/11/1325212/linux-foundation-linuxcom-sites-down-to-fix-security-breach [slashdot.org]

---

Linux's showing in CA's breached recently too? Ok: (very, Very, VERY BAD for ecommerce, online shopping, banking, etc./et al)

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=StartCom.com [netcraft.com]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=GlobalSign.com [netcraft.com]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=Comodo.com [netcraft.com]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=DigiCert.com [netcraft.com]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.gemnet.nl [netcraft.com]

The list of CA Servers BREACHED that RUN LINUX (StartCom, GlobalSign, DigiCert, Comodo, GemNet)... per these articles verifying that:

http://itproafrica.com/technology/security/cas-hacked/ [itproafrica.com]

&

http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/site-dutch-ca-gemnet-offline-after-web-server-attack-120811 [threatpost.com]

---

The Stratfor SECURITY hack: (can't blame it on poor setup, this IS a security firm that uses Linux)

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/12/28/1743201/data-exposed-in-stratfor-compromise-analyzed [slashdot.org]

What's that domain run? Yes kids - you guessed it: LINUX -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.stratfor.com [netcraft.com]

---

Phishers/Spammers FAVOR attacking LAMP: (Linux, Apache, mySQL, PHP)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/10/domains_lamped/ [theregister.co.uk]

PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

"Phishers compromise LAMP-based websites for days at a time and hit the same victims over and over again, according to an Anti-Phishing Working Group survey. Sites built on Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP are the favoured targets of phishing attackers"

---

Toss ANDROID (yes, a Linux since it uses a Linux kernel) in also, since it's being "shredded" on the mobile phone security-front rampantly for years now?

* You get the picture...

APK

P.S.=> Linux Security Blunders DOMINATE in 2011-2012, despite all /. "FUD" for years saying "Linux = SECURE" (what "b.s."/FUD that's turning out to be, especially on ANDROID where it can't hide by "security-by-obscurity" anymore & is in the hands of non-tech users galore - & EXPLOITS ARE EXPLODING ON ANDROID, nearly daily)

... apk

Smiley face (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40040021)

I'm starting to love Russia. Where can I signup? Anyone got a link?

There is nothing else to do. (0)

Max_W (812974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40042451)

I those parts it is almost impossible for young men and women to start a legitimate business.

A start up is to pay up to 135 types of taxes. Regulations change almost daily. One needs an army of accountants and lawyers just to think of starting operations.
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