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Mandriva SA Cedes Control To Mandriva Community

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the and-we-didn't-get-anything-for-you dept.

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jfruh writes "Mandriva SA, one of the oldest pure Linux companies still out there, was on the verge of shutting down earlier this year, but escaped by the skin of its teeth. Now, however, the company is punting control of its flagship Linux distribution to its developer community, leaving Mandriva SA's future prospects up in the air. From the blog post: 'This means that the future of the distribution will not be arbitrary[sic] decided by the Mandriva company anymore, but we intend to let the distribution evolve in and under the caring responsibility of the community.'"

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Hew, hew! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40039955)

Around a year ago, I was mindlessly surfing the internet (as I often do) when I came across an enigmatic web page. The page, which looked like a warning from my web browser, informed me that I had a virus installed on my computer and that to fix it, I should install a strange anti-virus program that I'd never heard of (which I found peculiar considering the fact that I already had anti-virus software installed on my computer). Despite having reservations about installing it, I did so anyway (since it appeared to be a legitimate warning).

I cannot even fathom what I was thinking at that time. Soon after attempting to install the so-called anti-virus software, my desktop background image changed into a large red warning sign, warnings about malware began making appearances all over the screen, and a strange program I'd never seen before began nagging me to buy a program to remove the viruses. What should have been obvious previously then became clear to me: that software was a virus. Frustrated by my own stupidity, I began tossing objects around the room and cursing at no one in particular.

After I calmed down, I reluctantly took my computer to a local PC repair shop and steeled myself for the incoming fee. When I entered, I noticed that there were four men working there, and all of them seemed incredibly nice (the shop itself was clean and stylish, too). After I described the situation to them, they gave me a big smile (as if they'd seen and heard it all before), accepted the job, and told me that the computer would be working like new again in a few days. At the time, I was confident that their words held a great degree of truth to them.

The very next day, while I was using a local library's computer and browsing the internet, I came across a website dedicated to a certain piece of software. It claimed that it could fix up my PC and make it run like new again. I knew, right then, merely from viewing a single page on the website, that it was telling the truth. I cursed myself for not discovering this excellent piece of software before I had taken my PC to the PC repair shop. "It would've saved me money. Oh, well. I'm sure they'll get the job done just fine. I can always use this software in the future to conserve money." Those were my honest thoughts at the time.

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When I questioned him, he kept repeating a single thing again and again: "Cannot be stopped! Cannot be stopped! Cannot be stopped!" I could not get him to tell me what was wrong, but after a bit of pondering, I quickly figured out precisely what happened: they were unable to fix my computer like they had promised. Disgusted by their failure, I turned to the shop's owner (who I now noticed had a gun to his head), and spat in his general direction. I then turned my back to him as if I was attempting to say that nothing behind me was worth my attention, and said to him, "Pathetic. Absolutely, positively pathetic. I asked you to do a single thing for me, and yet you failed even at that. Were I you, I'd be disgusted by myself, and I'd probably even take my own life. Such a worthless existence isn't even worthy of receiving my gaze!"

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Re:Hew, hew! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40039977)

We've already had this one today, be more original in spamming your crapware please.

And THERE'S The Value of FOSS (4, Interesting)

smpoole7 (1467717) | more than 2 years ago | (#40039973)

I cut my teeth on the old Mandrake stuff over a decade ago. It had its quirks, but it was a great way to introduce a newbie to Linux. Glad that the code base isn't going away.

Of course, the whole Mandrake/Mandriva story is a sad one in many ways. While Red Hat and SuSE were making money off of support, Mandrake decided to go with education and certification. (This was several years ago, before the name change.) They lost their hineys on it and almost went under then.

Good distribution troubled by a bunch of inexplicably bad business decisions. Just my opinion, anyway.

(Any of my fellow old timers here remember Mandrake 7.0's infamous "Move Your Mouse Wheel!" thing during installation??? Heh. More fun than Duke Nukem getting that thing to work!!!)

Re:And THERE'S The Value of FOSS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40040043)

(This was several years ago, before the name change.)

Their first order of business should be to change the name back. There is absolutely nothing of value left from the Connectiva acquisition, and the name Mandriva fucking sucks.

Re:And THERE'S The Value of FOSS (5, Informative)

dragonquest (1003473) | more than 2 years ago | (#40040081)

They can't go back to Mandrake because they lost the case to Hearst who own the Mandrake comic strips.

Mandriva History about name change [wikipedia.org]

Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (2)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#40040173)

That's a shame - they should have worked out an arrangement w/ Hearst to popularize the character. After all, Mandrake Linux did use all of Mandrake's signature accessories - hat, wand and so on.

Why not just hand over what remains of the distro to Mageia? Not like there's a shortage of redundant distros. Although one thing I wish - that Mandriva/Mageia switch their package manager from rpm to apt. Other than that, it's great - using KDE as its default DE.

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (3, Interesting)

arth1 (260657) | more than 2 years ago | (#40040491)

Why not just hand over what remains of the distro to Mageia? Not like there's a shortage of redundant distros. Although one thing I wish - that Mandriva/Mageia switch their package manager from rpm to apt.

What, and be even less distinguishable from all the "redundant distros", most of which are Debian based?

With Mandrake drawing its last breaths, and uncertainty on whether Attachmate is going to do more with SuSE than keeping it on life support while milking the last drops, there aren't many independent distros left (ones that don't depend on an upstream distro), and that is sad.
Fedora[*], Slackware, Debian, Arch, Gentoo - that's about it?
Most of the rest seem to be dependent distros or narrow niche products.

[*]: I'd say Red Hat, but these days Red Hat is mostly based off Fedora, not the other way around. Patches often flow in the opposite direction, though; support contracts tend to cut down on the WONTFIX or ignoring.

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (3, Interesting)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40040861)

Fedora[*], Slackware, Debian, Arch, Gentoo - that's about it?

Please update your list - slackware is dead. No new release in more than a year, the "updated package browser" that was supposed to take a couple of weeks has also been missing in action for more than a year, the server has had many outages (it's currently responds to pings, but no page loads), and the few mirrors don't have much in the way of security and other updates (2 - 3 dozen packages in the last year, depending on the mirror).

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40042645)

Eh, there have been some difficulties recently, but work continues: ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt [osuosl.org]
Begone, troll.

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (1)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044099)

As far as most users are concerned, Slackware is dead. Being on and off the net (mostly off) over the last year, only a couple dozen updated packages 9 months after release (I checked - this latest flurry of activity has the odor of a last-gasp hail-mary attempt), a broken package browser for a year now ... calling it dead isn't trolling.

"Oh, slackware's not dead. It's pining for a new server."

All good things come to an end, and I have fond memories of slackware, but that was the previous century.

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (1)

Chromium_One (126329) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044459)

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (1)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044785)

Do you want to turn this into a Monty Python "Dead Parrot" skit?

Any distro that goes for 9 months with only a couple dozen updates is dead.

Any distro that is "off the net" for months is dead.

Any distro with a link on its main page to their official package browser that doesn't exist, and hasn't existed for a year [dannagle.com] , is dead.

It's not just "pining for a new server." It's not "resting". It's not "a fine example of the breed." It's dead. Who in their right mind is going to recommend slackware after a year of screw-ups?

To you, this (very late in the game) burst of activity may make it still seem alive, but to users it has the stale musty smell of the crypt.

Plus, if it's happened repeatedly, chances are it's going to happen again. Months with no security updates. Just the thing to inspire confidence.

A few days, a few weeks, sure, cut slackware some slack. But this situation has been going on way too long. One of the posters defending this posted this link [dannagle.com] . Many of the readers didn't buy it - letting such a situation go on for almost a year reeks of indifference or incompetence - or a dead distro.

Perhaps the time, talent, and energy now being used to bring it back from the dead would be better spent on a more viable distro?

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (0)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044903)

Read the comments in response to Patrick's comment: [slashdot.org]

considering you can get a linux VPS anywhere from $5 USD to $20 USD a month, especially since the ISOs are torrent only, your ramblings are ignorant and telltale of the system in front of you.

and

I'm more than a little surprised that slackware.com was running on a 10-year old server in colocation... if the hardware really was that old and underpowered, somebody needs to get fired. I wouldn't keep hardware in colo more than 5 years, and even that is pushing it, simply due to the upgrade cycle and lifecycle of the hardware. I've had a hardware blow up (craters on one of the IC's) on systems that were less than that, and it wasn't pretty.

and

Instead of paying to colo two really, really shitty 'servers', why don't you just get a small linode vps? Worry about the distro instead of wasting time fighting with a $3 eth card.

and

move a page or two to appspot for goodness sake. geez..

server is dead? what a joke in this day and age.

and

Keeping a core server live for a decade is like being proud of how long you've worn the same underwear. You may think it's funny, but it tends to drive sensible people away. The crusties do tend to accumulate, and they're unlikely to survive cleaning.

They make some very valid points. Points that have yet to be answered (because there really is no excuse in this day and age). Who in their right mind is going to recommend a distro that has had a year of screw-ups?

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40048231)

No one in their right mind pays any mind to sock puppet trolls like u Using multiple sockpuppet accounts on /. on your end u trolling scumbag that u are barbara.hudson@unjava.com from http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2C+not+Barbie [slashdot.org] = barbara.hudson@barbara-hudson.com from http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson [slashdot.org] ? We know you do that crap. Are you that pathetic? Seems to be so. How many more registered luser sockpuppet accounts do you keep around for trolling others, modding yourself up and others downward with, and for "supporting yourself" too, pig? Isn't it bad enough you have 1 eye only cyclops, and live alone with dogs (because no man wants you), but you also want to be known as a sockpuppet using troll too?

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40048245)

No, no. Let's turn it into the truth about u scumbag: Using multiple sockpuppet accounts on /. on your end trolling scumbag that u are barbara.hudson@unjava.com from http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2C+not+Barbie [slashdot.org] = barbara.hudson@barbara-hudson.com from http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson [slashdot.org] ? We know you do that crap. Are you that pathetic? Seems to be so. How many more registered luser sockpuppet accounts do you keep around for trolling others, modding yourself up and others downward with, and for "supporting yourself" too, pig? Isn't it bad enough you have 1 eye only cyclops, and live alone with dogs (because no man wants you), but you also want to be known as a sockpuppet using troll too?

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40044597)

pining for a new server? What kind of talk is that?

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (1)

arth1 (260657) | more than 2 years ago | (#40047387)

How does this affect the distros who have slackware as its upstream? Or have they moved already?

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (1)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40048295)

You're not the only one asking that question.

People have been noticing [lwn.net] the lack of security and bug fixes for a while.

More directly towards your question, this thread [distrowatch.com] raised what some people called a sh*tstorm when Caitlyn Martin wrote about rebasing off another distro because a slackware.com contributor wrote about the problems being due to an old server and finances.

Realistically, who wouldn't be worried after a year of semi-somnolence, long outages (in a distro that people use as a server because of its' bsd-like reputation... oh the irony), and a reply like that?

Ultimately, the original question - the lack of any activity for months at a time - hasn't been properly addressed. It's worse than the Mandriva situation - Mandriva continues to have timely bug fixes and security updates - on an almost daily basis - and their web site is always pretty responsive.

If there were only a few linux distros out there, maybe slack could make a come-back - but there are ~1,000 distros, many with much larger user bases, much more activity, that are far better supported. Unfortunately, in view of that, it's irresponsible to recommend slackware to anyone looking for a Linux distro, either for their own use, business, or as a base to build a spin-off, unless they're ready to assume the burden of maintaining and improving it going forward.

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40050307)

Asking you a question: Why do you keep multiple sockpuppet accounts on /.: barbara.hudson@unjava.com from http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2C+not+Barbie [slashdot.org] = barbara.hudson@barbara-hudson.com from http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson [slashdot.org] ?

We know you do. How many more registered luser sockpuppet accounts do you keep around for trolling others, modding yourself up and others downward with, and for "supporting yourself" too, pig? Isn't it bad enough you have 1 eye only cyclops, and live alone with dogs (because no man wants you), but you also want to be known as a sockpuppet using troll too?

Are you claiming SUSE is dead as well? (1)

grandmofftarkin (49366) | more than 2 years ago | (#40049859)

Your obsession with this online 'package browser' is slighlty odd. It is just a contributed nicity. Not an official part of the project. If you want to search the contents you use slackpkg (like a Debian/Ubuntu user would use apt-cache or apt-file). If you don't have Slackware installed yet, look at the MANIFEST and FILELIST files within the directory structure on your mirror of choice.

As a side note, SUSE used to have a site called Webpin that allowed you to search through the contents of packages. There is even a Webpin menu item in YaST (SUSE's official package manager). Then out of the blue around openSUSE 11.4, Webpin stopped working and was no longer maintained. Yet even in openSUSE 12.1 the menu item is still listed.

http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/applications/458432-webpin-non-functionnal-suse-11-4-a.html [opensuse.org]

So tell me, do you go around claiming that SUSE is dying as well?

Re:Are you claiming SUSE is dead as well? (1)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40050389)

SUSE is very much a dying distro. The quality of the releases has been going downhill for some time, and the only reason it's still alive is that they got another $100 million from Microsoft last year [suse.com] .

Microsoft Corp. and SUSE, an independent business unit of The Attachmate Group Inc., today announced a four-year extension of the groundbreaking agreement struck nearly five years ago between Microsoft and Novell Inc. for broad collaboration on Windows and Linux interoperability and support. This relationship will extend through Jan. 1, 2016, with Microsoft committed to invest $100 million in new SUSE Linux Enterprise certificates for customers receiving Linux support from SUSE.

While they tried to spin it as being from "strong customer response", the fact is that those certificate renewals were not happening, even with 75% discounts. So it was worth it to Microsoft to throw in another $100 million over the next 4 years, because Microsoft is the lead company in CPTN Holdings, the group selling the Novell patents. This deal helps compensate Attachmate (otherwise, there'd be yet another nasty court battle wrt Novell).

Re:Are you claiming SUSE is dead as well? (1)

grandmofftarkin (49366) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051123)

Now that you have proved yourself to be a complete and utter troll and with you so obviously having lost this argument I won't bother to waste any more time on you, since you are clearly a lost cause.

Re:Are you claiming SUSE is dead as well? (1)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051331)

Look, if you don't like the truth, don't ask for it.

You're the one who picked suse, which was a bad example. What do you think they'd be doing right now if they hadn't gotten the $100 million last year from Microsoft? It's not like Novell hadn't been laying off linux devs before the sale.

But back to zombie slackware - the site still takes 5 minutes to load the home page, a month after this was supposed to be addressed.

Archive.org confirms this has been going on since mid-February. That's 3 months.

So, how about a new meme - "archive.org confirms it - slackware is dead!"

After all, if Mandriva can keep pushing out bug and security fixes and keep their web site running through a near-bankruptcy, why can't slackware?

If Mandriva is dying, how is slackware NOT dying?

If nobody even notices that slackware is off the net for so long, how is it still relevant?

We need consolidation in the linux distro space. The effort that is going to maintain a distro that we have fond memories of but apparently almost nobody is using could be better employed elsewhere, contributing to a more modern distro.

Re:Are you claiming SUSE is dead as well? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051659)

The truth? Here's truth about you sockpuppet using troll: Using multiple sockpuppet accounts on /. on your end trolling scumbag that u are barbara.hudson@unjava.com from http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2C+not+Barbie [slashdot.org] = barbara.hudson@barbara-hudson.com from http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson [slashdot.org] ? We know you do that crap. Are you that pathetic? Seems to be so. How many more registered luser sockpuppet accounts do you keep around for trolling others, modding yourself up and others downward with, and for "supporting yourself" too, pig? Isn't it bad enough you have 1 eye only cyclops, and live alone with dogs (because no man wants you), but you also want to be known as a sockpuppet using troll too?

Re:Are you claiming SUSE is dead as well? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40056193)

She's a troll alright, with many sockpuppet multiple reg accts on /. (4 modding herself up n others down): Examples are these barbara.hudson@unjava.com from http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2C+not+Barbie [slashdot.org] = barbara.hudson@barbara-hudson.com from http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson [slashdot.org] and definite proof enough of that much.

STFU multiple sockpuppet using troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051753)

Using multiple sockpuppet accounts on /. on your end trolling scumbag that u are barbara.hudson@unjava.com from http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2C+not+Barbie [slashdot.org] = barbara.hudson@barbara-hudson.com from http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson [slashdot.org] ? We know you do that crap. Are you that pathetic? Seems so. How many more registered luser sockpuppet accounts do you keep around for trolling others, modding yourself up and others downward with, and for "supporting yourself" too, pig? Isn't it bad enough you have 1 eye only cyclops, and live alone with dogs (because no man wants you), but you also want to be known as a sockpuppet using troll too?

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (1)

higuita (129722) | more than 2 years ago | (#40042689)

please keep using your distro, you know nothing about slackware development cycle and how most things happens in the background

if you really want to understand a little, just search slashdot for slackware and read the last story about slackware problems with the web server.

the next release is always: "when its ready" ... not sooner, not later

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (0)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044175)

Excuses, excuses. It's DEAD! It's not just "problems with the web server" - which have been going on for a year now.

Abandoning the old package browser, because the new one will be ready in a few weeks ... that was last year too.

What point is there installing a distro that had no security updates for ages? That's just too slack for most people.

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40048499)

No excuses 4 being a multiple sock puppet using troll is there tomhudson = barbara, not barbie . Ura troll. Self promotion up mods from ur multiple accounts is lame. Now, even you have to admit that's pitiful on your part. Such reprehensible behaviour only tells us you have issues you project. Must be the product of seeing life without depth perception due to your famous cyclops episodes. Is it true you are barren and live with 2 dogs since no man wants you? Now you want to be known as a troll too. You need to read more on "how to win friends and influence people" or something, lol, because you're easily seen through TOMfoolery pun intended? Too pitiful. Everyone agrees that's sane.

It does receive security updates (1)

grandmofftarkin (49366) | more than 2 years ago | (#40049895)

It does receive security updates, you have admitted as much yourself. Perhaps you could back your claims up by listing a package found in the stable that is known to be insecure. Have fun searching.

Re:It does receive security updates (1)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40050421)

Two months with no activity whatsoever, and only sporadic activity prior to that, an often-dead website, and a refusal by you and yours to address the obvious - that only a few people even noticed ... "It's dead, Jim."

Why don't YOU do the audit, if you're so hot and bothered to try to avoid answering the obvious question - which is why should anyone use a distro that can't even keep its own website up, even when there's no load? That reeks of incompetence.

A quick hop to netcraft gives connie.slackware.com as the server.

1337 Error
Your lamp is getting dim, and our server is getting eaten by a grue

Apache/1.3.37 Server at connie.slackware.com Port 80

That's an improvement of the slackware.com, which takes a couple of minutes to even start loading. Are you running it off someone's dialup connection?

Maybe you should switch slackware.com back to bsd like it was in the beginning.

STFU u fucking troll w multiple sockpuppet acct's (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051729)

Using multiple sockpuppet accounts on /. on your end trolling scumbag that u are barbara.hudson@unjava.com from http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2C+not+Barbie [slashdot.org] = barbara.hudson@barbara-hudson.com from http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson [slashdot.org] ? We know you do that crap. Are you that pathetic? Seems to be so. How many more registered luser sockpuppet accounts do you keep around for trolling others, modding yourself up and others downward with, and for "supporting yourself" too, pig? Isn't it bad enough you have 1 eye only cyclops, and live alone with dogs (because no man wants you), but you also want to be known as a sockpuppet using troll too?

Bullshit! Slackware is very much alive (2)

grandmofftarkin (49366) | more than 2 years ago | (#40043729)

Please update your list - slackware is dead. No new release in more than a year, the "updated package browser" that was supposed to take a couple of weeks has also been missing in action for more than a year, the server has had many outages (it's currently responds to pings, but no page loads), and the few mirrors don't have much in the way of security and other updates (2 - 3 dozen packages in the last year, depending on the mirror).

I haven't logged in to /. in ages but I couldn't let this crap you have posted go without a comment. Are you simply trolling or do you genuinely believe this? Slackware does not have a set release cycle. It releases WIR (when it is ready). It has often taken more than a year. Look back at its release history and you will see this. To be honest I don't know what "updated package browser" you refer to but if you want to scan available packages use "slackpkg search" like everyone else. The development branch (-current) has received plenty of updates of late and even the latest stable (version 13.37) has had security updates eithin the last month (most recently wicd was upgraded to 1.7.2.4 on the 9th). If you used a mirror that doesn't reflect this, find a better mirror, just like you would with any other distro.

Yes there have been issues with the websever running Slackware but this bears little or no relation to the project itself. People don't receive updates from www.slackware.com, they get them from the various mirrors. These mirrors are generally the same ones hosting other popular distros.

If you want further evidence, see PatVs own comment here on /.:
http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2816335&cid=39828905 [slashdot.org]

Re:Bullshit! Slackware is very much alive (1)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044391)

I checked a whole slew of mirrors 2 months ago, the most that anyone had was 3 dozen updated packages - the majority had a couple dozen or less. Slacker zombie or dead, whichever, but to someone looking to switch back to a long-abandoned distro, that was both a big disappointment and an absolute vote of non-confidence.

Stuff like this [dannagle.com] doesn't inspire any confidence whatsoever. "A few days" has turned into a year. And remember - this is the recommended package browser linked to from the slackware.com home page.

The sudden "OMG we have to pick up the slack because people are saying (and have been saying for months) that slackware is dead" is simply too little, too late. And that's sad, because I remember slackware from the download-and-install-from-floppies days of 3x.

Wrong again (1)

grandmofftarkin (49366) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045687)

Since May 13 2011 until now, -current has had 728 packages rebuilt, upgraded or added. 435 of those have been within the last 2 months.
My source? http://ftp.uninett.no/linux/slackware/slackware64-current/ChangeLog.txt [uninett.no] (a decent mirror if you are looking for one)

The link you provide is equally uninformed since it stated,

"Slackware does not have an apt-get (Ubuntu), portage (Gentoo), or some other variant to allow automatic pulling from an approved repository. Instead, you browse and download .tgz listings and run their pkgtool utility."

Yet it does have such a tool. It is called slackpkg and it is included in the default install. In many ways works slackpkg works just like apt, other than not automatically dealing with dependencies.

When the next release does come out (and it will) perhaps would you care to post back here to admit your mistake. Since I'm guessing it would be a little hard for you to swallow your pride and do it right away

Re:Wrong again (1)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40046615)

Like misrepresenting the facts?

According to your own link, there were NO updates between December 14th and February 1st, ONE update in December, Moz and 5 other updates in November, Moz in October, Moz again in September (plus an update to httpd), 10 (including Moz again) updated in August, 6 (including Moz yet again) in July, half a dozen (including Moz, duh!) in June. That's pretty slack behaviour.

Take out the Moz/Seamonkey stuff and you've got almost NOTHING going on between June of last year and today. Even with the Moz stuff, you've STILL got almost nothing.

No wonder the mirrors I looked at were almost empty - you're still stuck on LibreOffice 3.5.3 despite 3.5.4 being out since June 3rd of last year, and 3.5.5 since February.

That's absolute crap, same as your argument. Slackware is dead. Trying to convert it into being an almost-dead zombie isn't going to work. A year of neglect, being mostly off the net, and not having timely updates has killed it. Go collect your red shirt award.

Re:Wrong again (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40048211)

Like misrepresenting who U are troll? Using multiple sockpuppet accounts on /. on your end trolling scumbag that ur barbara.hudson@unjava.com from http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2C+not+Barbie [slashdot.org] = barbara.hudson@barbara-hudson.com from http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson [slashdot.org] ? We know you do that crap. Are you that pathetic? Seems to be so. How many more registered luser sockpuppet accounts do you keep around for trolling others, modding yourself up and others downward with, and for "supporting yourself" too, pig? Isn't it bad enough you have 1 eye only cyclops, and live alone with dogs (because no man wants you), but you also want to be known as a sockpuppet using troll too?

You seem to be ignorant of the facts altogether (1)

grandmofftarkin (49366) | more than 2 years ago | (#40049835)

Updates to -current happen in spurts after much internal testing by the core team. Updates to stable happen only if there is a security problem with a packages. The Moz updates are due to security fixes in their releases. Also Slackware itself doesn't have that many packages comparative to distros like Debian. So what you see isn't bad at all and largely expected.

It may come as as shock to you if you use a distro that is forced on a regular release cycle and hence ships with lots of broken packages because it will need constant updates just to get it working. This isn't the same with Slackware. It is stable so needs very few updates, pretty much security only. That is one of Slackware's primary benefits. Your problem appears to be ignorance.

LibreOffice is not included in Slackware's official repositories, so you are just talking crap there. The most popular third party repository is SlackBuilds It has the latest version: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.37/office/libreoffice/ [slackbuilds.org]

The facts say otherwise. Slackware is dead. (1)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40050379)

You're missing a LOT of the main points here.

# 1. I made a direct comparison to Mandriva, another distro that is in financial straits, not a "we have 28,0000 packages on 9 dvds" like debian. Mandriva issues security updates almost daily. Slackware? Months can go by.

The comparison with Mandriva is apt, because both Slackware and Mandriva are dvds, so they're more or less within the ballpark in terms of being comparable. In other words, I made an apples-to-apples comparison, not the apples-to-oranges you tried to make it out to be when you just threw Debian into the mix (BTW, I *never* mentioned Debian).

So, your claim that "Updates to stable happen only if there is a security problem with a packages (sic)." is simply bogus, since even that doesn't happen in a timely fashion.

# 2. Slackware (the site) being dead was barely noticed because nobody is using it. Same with the non-existent package browser. Nobody is using it.

Sure, slackware still has numbers on distrowatch - but those are people who look, not people who download and install. People who did like I did - downloaded the dvd then realized that slack has turned into a zombie distro - aren't users.

You keep on saying that slackware is stable. Dead is also a stable state, so in that sense you may be right.

# 3. Again, wrt "Updates to stable happen only if there is a security problem with a packages (sic)." Funny how you try to claim that slackware is stable, and only needs to keep up with security updates between releases, when not only does it NOT keep up with security updates, but among the few updates, the biggest was updating Moz/FF, not for any particular security bug, but because of their release schedule.

# 4. Who is going to recommend a distro that can't even keep their web site up for days, never mind weeks at a time? When you're of the net, you're dead to the world. To allow this situation to go on for so long is a sign of incompetence, same as having a package browser that for a year now says "in a few days."

How you can turn around and say "So what you see isn't bad at all and largely expected"? It's a disaster. The only thing that mitigated it to some extent is that nobody notices slackware any more except to ask the question "Is slackware dead (again)?"

How can you do what you do troll? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051783)

Using multiple sockpuppet accounts on /. on your end trolling scumbag that u are barbara.hudson@unjava.com from http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2C+not+Barbie [slashdot.org] = barbara.hudson@barbara-hudson.com from http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson [slashdot.org] ? We know you do that crap.

Are you that pathetic? Seems so.

How many more registered luser sockpuppet accounts do you keep around for trolling others, modding yourself up and others downward with, and for "supporting yourself" too, pig? Isn't it bad enough you have 1 eye only cyclops, and live alone with dogs (because no man wants you), but you also want to be known as a sockpuppet using troll too?

Re:Bullshit! Slackware is very much alive (1)

grandmofftarkin (49366) | more than 2 years ago | (#40049883)

Stuff like this [dannagle.com] doesn't inspire any confidence whatsoever. "A few days" has turned into a year.

The best you can do is link a page written by an equally uninformed user? Nice evidence. The poster doesn't even know about slackpkg being part of Slackware. No need to manually download and install packages, or use a web based package browser. Slackpkg does all of this for you.

SUSE used to have a site called Webpin that allowed you to search through the contents of packages that broke around the release of 11.4. Yet even openSUSE 12.1 the menu item is still listed.

http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/applications/458432-webpin-non-functionnal-suse-11-4-a.html [opensuse.org]

And remember - this is the recommended package browser linked to from the slackware.com home page.

And remember - this is the recommended package browser linked to from YaST, SUSE's official package manager. Tell me how is this different??

Re:Bullshit! Slackware is very much alive (1)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40050403)

As I pointed out to another slacktroll, suse is also going downhill fast. The quality is just no longer there. The only difference is that Microsoft gave them another $100 million to take them to 2016 - otherwise, they'd be in the same situation as slackware.

Can SUSE recover? I don't know - $100 million takes the pressure off of fixing the underlying problems, making them complacent, and not lean and hungry.

Consolidation in the linux distro world needs to happen, and for that to happen, the least viable distros need to die. Mandriva and Slackware are part of that process.

Re:Bullshit! Slackware is very much alive (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051711)

Pointing out you are a sockpuppet using troll: Using multiple sockpuppet accounts on /. on your end trolling scumbag that u are barbara.hudson@unjava.com from http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2C+not+Barbie [slashdot.org] = barbara.hudson@barbara-hudson.com from http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson [slashdot.org] ? We know you do that crap. Are you that pathetic? Seems to be so. How many more registered luser sockpuppet accounts do you keep around for trolling others, modding yourself up and others downward with, and for "supporting yourself" too, pig? Isn't it bad enough you have 1 eye only cyclops, and live alone with dogs (because no man wants you), but you also want to be known as a sockpuppet using troll too?

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (1)

arth1 (260657) | more than 2 years ago | (#40047467)

No new release in more than a year

That doesn't mean a thing - by that measure, Red Hat is dead too, and FreeBSD has been dead several times. Some release often, some release as stable as possible. There's room for both.

It could be that Slackware is dying for other reasons, though - I hope not, because I think it serves a purpose, just by not automatically embracing mainstream.

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (1)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40048373)

Both RedHat and FreeBSD release security patches in a timely manner. Mandriva, even in its current situation, rarely goes more than a few days w/o updates and patches.

Slackware, on the other hand, has really been slacking - for a year now.

I was really dismayed when I went to switch back to it and found out just how badly it's deteriorated. I figured slackware would be around forever, but even if they do "revive" it, it's always going to be more like a zombie now than a viable distro; the damage has been done, and the competition has moved on.

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40050303)

We were dismayed to find you keep multiple sockpuppet accounts on /.: barbara.hudson@unjava.com from http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2C+not+Barbie [slashdot.org] = barbara.hudson@barbara-hudson.com from http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson [slashdot.org] now We know you do. How many more registered luser sockpuppet accounts do you keep around for trolling others, modding yourself up and others downward with, and for "supporting yourself" too, pig? Isn't it bad enough you have 1 eye only cyclops, and live alone with dogs (because no man wants you), but you also want to be known as a sockpuppet using troll too?

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (1)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#40049299)

There have been distros that are derivatives of slackware that are very much alive - slackel, Vector Linux. If someone was a former user of Slackware, one could go w/ those.

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (1)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40050683)

Thanks - I'll point that out elsewhere. Mind you, I notice that Vector Linux users had a problem yesterday with updates rendering their system unusable ... but at least both websites load quickly, and Vector addressed the problem the same day.

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051683)

I'll point this out about you, you sockpuppet using troll: Using multiple sockpuppet accounts on /. on your end trolling scumbag that u are barbara.hudson@unjava.com from http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2C+not+Barbie [slashdot.org] = barbara.hudson@barbara-hudson.com from http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson [slashdot.org] ? We know you do that crap. Are you that pathetic? Seems to be so. How many more registered luser sockpuppet accounts do you keep around for trolling others, modding yourself up and others downward with, and for "supporting yourself" too, pig? Isn't it bad enough you have 1 eye only cyclops, and live alone with dogs (because no man wants you), but you also want to be known as a sockpuppet using troll too?

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40044065)

Rpm is both a package manager and a package format, apt-get on the other hand is neither. I don't know if it is still maintained but there was a version of apt-get that actually worked with rpm. Depending on which context you were refering to rpm in, you would either compare it with deb or dpkg.

Since you seem to be ignorant of the distictions, can you really put forth a good case for actually switching? And for reference what really makes Debian's package management so awesome is their strictly enforced package guidelines which help prevent breakage of package management, not anything inherent in the format they use.

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (1)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044491)

I'm talking about both, or the 2 combined. I've never had problems updating software when it was using a .deb format using either apt-get or one of the package managers that came w/ the Debian based distros. With Red Hat based distros however (I tried a few), rpm the package manager would be okay in updating a Linux kernel, yumm would work sometimes, but would more often than not run into dependency problems. If I used a package manager like Synaptic, I was out of luck as far as .rpm packages went. That's why I was suggesting that they go with apt-get/.deb/dpkg - the entire Debian package management. The file format is just a starting point of ensuring that one has the right packages in place.

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40046597)

So your argument is, you've had problems with rpm-based distros, but not debian-based distros, so debs must be better than rpms. That is rather poor reasoning, yes that could be the cause of the problem, but it isn't the only possible one. Like I said before, it is Debian's strict packaging guidelines is what prevents the problems not the deb format, and I'm not sure why you mentioned Yum in this when talking about Mandriva/Mageia because they use urpmi. Bad packages can just as easily cause upgrade problems on a deb based system as a rpm based one.

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (1)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#40049287)

Fine, who's stopping Red Hat/Fedora/Mandriva et al from having strict packaging guidelines? Simple fact of the matter is that for me, Debian pacakges have unpacked w/o issues, whereas Red Hat packages have usually had problems. I'd be happy to know if it's not the case w/ Mandriva/Mageia, though.

Re:Mandrake, Mandriva, Mageia (1)

emaname (1014225) | more than 2 years ago | (#40049385)

I've just dropped aptosid for Magiea. Started having problems w/aptosid. Some probably my fault, but I didn't want to deal with it anymore. Plus the distro has forked and I can't tell what is going on anymore. Again, probably my ignorance. Whatever.

So I went to DistroWatch and searched for any 64-bit distro. Eventually I found Magiea. And I have to say, it is slick. And so far so good re operation.

I too cut my (very dull) Linux teeth on Mandrake. I used a "SAMS" book. I think it was version 7. But I liked it. So I tried 8 and maybe one more. Then I started distro-hopping.

Eventually I found sidux which changed to aptosid, etc. I've used it for about 3+ years.

I am very impressed with Magiea. If things continue as they are, I'll be using it for a long time.

Re:And THERE'S The Value of FOSS (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40040103)

Can't go back, but can get rid of that god awful name "mandriva".

How about Drake OS? or Drake Linux?

Re:And THERE'S The Value of FOSS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40040193)

Drake Linux? sounds good to me... and something cool can be done with the obvious choice for its mascot.

Oh, and about the summary... isn't it correctly spelled "arbitrary"? what's up with that?

Re:And THERE'S The Value of FOSS (2)

hendridm (302246) | more than 2 years ago | (#40040269)

Oh, and about the summary... isn't it correctly spelled "arbitrary"? what's up with that?

It should be "arbitrarily". Adverb, not adjective.

Re:And THERE'S The Value of FOSS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40040393)

And really, they should just fix it, instead of putting the [sic] in. The [sic] is only really necessary if the original mistake is important to the context of the quote.

Re:And THERE'S The Value of FOSS (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 2 years ago | (#40042351)

Dragon or Duck?

Re:And THERE'S The Value of FOSS (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 2 years ago | (#40040233)

They had a decent name once: Conectiva Linux.

Re:And THERE'S The Value of FOSS (1)

Lisias (447563) | more than 2 years ago | (#40041625)

I remember that.

Conectiva Server 1.0 was my second bite on Linux, and it was a tasteful one.

I enjoyed that printed manuals for weeks. Still have them.

Re:And THERE'S The Value of FOSS (1)

Lisias (447563) | more than 2 years ago | (#40041607)

How about Man/Drake? =]

Re:And THERE'S The Value of FOSS (2)

arth1 (260657) | more than 2 years ago | (#40040177)

IIRC, the underlying reason for the name change was that King Features Syndicate rattled their sabers - the combination of the name Mandake combined with magic related icons and graphics was a clear reference to the comic.

Now that Mandriva's Mandrake trademark has been abandoned, other companies may have used it (sans magic references), so it may be hard to go back.

Re:And THERE'S The Value of FOSS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40040251)

I am with @smpoole7. Mandrake was what got me into Linux and was a great way to start learning a very powerful OS. I just miss KDE from when 7 was out. KDE had kind of gone the way of a Windows 7 look :(

Re:And THERE'S The Value of FOSS (1)

jbolden (176878) | more than 2 years ago | (#40041091)

I don't think they were inexplicable. There is no money in Linux desktop sales. Mandrake was not going to beat RedHat or United Linux (Suse, Caldera, Turbo, Conectiva) in the enterprise market. They had always been a desktop product so they couldn't move strongly into servers. So going into specialized desktop areas makes sense. With Apple being weak, the education market was, and remains wide open. Had they executed better, and had Microsoft not been willing to lose money to keep this niche they could very easily have become a dominant player in the education market.

I don't think because it didn't work out it was the wrong choice. Quite often you are getting the pot odds to make the play whether it worked out or not.

Re:And THERE'S The Value of FOSS (1)

smpoole7 (1467717) | more than 2 years ago | (#40042643)

> There is no money in Linux desktop sales. Mandrake was not going to beat RedHat or United Linux ... in the enterprise market.
> They had always been a desktop product so they couldn't move strongly into servers.

Who knows? If it had worked, no doubt Gael Duval would have been hailed as a genius. But thinking back on that time, I was a *huge* Mandrake Fanbois. I installed it every chance I could (my first Web server was Apache on Mandrake) and loved it.

As I recall, though, the reason it was a dumb move (again, my opinion) was because what people were looking for was Red Hat Certification. If you'd paid and passed a Mandrake course, it was hard to imagine getting a job off of that. But everyone had heard of Red Hat.

As for desktop Linux, that's an old argument that has been rehashed here a million times. Again, who knows? If Microsoft hadn't been so dominant (and hadn't so actively crushed anything that looked like competition), I think Mandrake might have been a contender.

Re:And THERE'S The Value of FOSS (2)

jbolden (176878) | more than 2 years ago | (#40043589)

As I recall, though, the reason it was a dumb move (again, my opinion) was because what people were looking for was Red Hat Certification. If you'd paid and passed a Mandrake course, it was hard to imagine getting a job off of that. But everyone had heard of Red Hat.

That Red Hat certification was for server. Mandrake's certification program was directed at companies that were using Mandrake and wanted certified administrators. I don't know if they existed.

When I talk about education I mean the actual initiatives in France primarily involving selling to primary and secondary schools partnering with educational software vendors. Not professional education.

As for desktop Linux, that's an old argument that has been rehashed here a million times. Again, who knows? If Microsoft hadn't been so dominant (and hadn't so actively crushed anything that looked like competition), I think Mandrake might have been a contender.

I agree. Mandrake had a great desktop system to grow from. Had their been an opportunity they well positioned. Once XP was successful in moving the home crowd over to the NT kernel, it made sense to go after niches.

Re:And THERE'S The Value of FOSS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40041175)

I cut my teeth on the old Mandrake stuff over a decade ago. It had its quirks, but it was a great way to introduce a newbie to Linux. Glad that the code base isn't going away.

Of course, the whole Mandrake/Mandriva story is a sad one in many ways. While Red Hat and SuSE were making money off of support, Mandrake decided to go with education and certification. (This was several years ago, before the name change.) They lost their hineys on it and almost went under then.

Good distribution troubled by a bunch of inexplicably bad business decisions. Just my opinion, anyway.

(Any of my fellow old timers here remember Mandrake 7.0's infamous "Move Your Mouse Wheel!" thing during installation??? Heh. More fun than Duke Nukem getting that thing to work!!!)

OMG., yet move the mouse wheel. More than that was the fact that they had better drivers during the RH6 time when RH was still sitting on their hands. I remember one evening sitting on 100 machines on cheap intel boards with integrated sound which RH had no support for. BLAM! And there was Mandrake's RPM just sitting there. It worked, they shipped, and I got to go home for the holidays. Most folks today may have scratched around with RH around the 98 or 99 timeframe in an OEM shop, however it was Mandrake that saved my bacon more than once. Too bad it went the way it did.

Re:And THERE'S The Value of FOSS (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044313)

Any of my fellow old timers here remember Mandrake 7.0's infamous "Move Your Mouse Wheel!" thing during installation???

No, and I first installed Mandrake in 2002. Maybe my mouse didn't have a wheel back then and the install software "knew" it and acted accordingly.

Bye Bye Mandrake (1)

busyqth (2566075) | more than 2 years ago | (#40040215)

Long ago I was one of those people who bought their stock at 2€/share to try to support them. Of course I wrote off that money almost just as long ago. But I still get their nifty french proxy cards (that probably cost more to send than my stock is worth)

Re:Bye Bye Mandrake (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 2 years ago | (#40041133)

I first played with Mandrake in about 2000 (or thereabouts) and sort of liked it as a variant of RedHat, with a few bells and whistles to make it easier for the newbie. However, I was more than happy to dump it in favour of a return to Slackware, which has only comparatively recently been replaced by Arch Linux on most of my machines.

Re:Bye Bye Mandrake (1)

smpoole7 (1467717) | more than 2 years ago | (#40042699)

> [I] bought their stock ...

I remember the first time they fell into deep economic doo-doo, because I was a regular in their forums online. They were asking for people to pay $130 euros to join the Mandrake Club, but they required it in a lump sum. I pointed out that they might get more response if they permitted people to do it monthly. But one of their people (might have been Gael himself) posted, "we need the cash NOW." That was when I began to suspect that they were in even more trouble that most people realized.

And sure enough, not long afterward, they were insolvent. My recollection of the "focus on education" thing comes from my time in their forums, and I remember their own people saying that they'd make a mistake with that.

Mandriva Directory Server (4, Interesting)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | more than 2 years ago | (#40040277)

Was a complete disaster.

If you ask my opinion, Mandriva had no corporate offerings that actually offered any actual value. Everything server wise you wanted to do to Mandriva could be done with the base Mandriva Linux distribution.

I run an Open Directory Server with:
OpenLDAP + Samba + Kerberos + FreeRadius. On Mandriva Linux. I modified libuser myself to enumerate LDAP accounts. I use Fog for imaging. I use LDAP to administer sudoers, It all works. Mandriva could have taken the Linux Domain controller Market. How? Adding a Widget that said "Create Open Directory Domain" in Mandriva Control Center.

Instead they created this convoluted mess of a service called Mandriva Directory server that complicated everything five or six times. I tried to warn them. They should have handled the creation of Open Directory Servers the same way they handled Open Directory (And Active Directory Clients):

You click on an MMC Widget
The Needed Packages for dhcpd, bind, openldap, samba, kerberos, libuser-ldap, etc etc etc... were all installed, and configurations were written, CLEANLY. Services restart... boom Open Directory Domain.

I filed bugs, I pissed and moaned, my bugs got marked Invalid or won't fix.

Re:Mandriva Directory Server (1)

ourlovecanlastforeve (795111) | more than 2 years ago | (#40043355)

> I modified libuser myself to enumerate LDAP accounts.

Please submit a patch.

Too Late as usual (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40040555)

FOSS my ass. Same corporate principle; way to go Palm...

Mandriva RIP :( (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40040605)

This are sad news.

Mandrake was one of my favorite distros, back in the day when it was the only distribution supporting Pentium by default while all others still were targeting x386.

The move to Mandriva was not that successful and made many of us move to other distributions.

It is sad to see they disappear, as I doubt the community will be able to keep it alive.

Mandriva name sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40040937)

They should rebrand it as "nandrake" or "sandrake". The "driva" suffix sounds like a combination of "diva" and "drivel".

I just checked, nandrake.com is available.

Re:Mandriva name sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40050263)

Then you can use Mageia, the name has no special connotation in english AFAIK .
( and as a side note, it work better, is saner, and is made by people who worked on mandriva before the whole ROSA/RPM5 madness that created the current pile of shit called Mandriva 2011 )

Too little too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40041583)

This reminds me of Sun giving over control of OpenOffice.org to the Apache foundation, one year after the community had forked it as LibreOffice. I have the feeling that this is too little too late. Mageia is now where most of the community is. Unfortunately, both distros are almost irrelevant today and are being completely overshadowed by *Ubuntu.

You FAIL iT! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40042191)

sales and 5o on,

TL;DR (1)

ourlovecanlastforeve (795111) | more than 2 years ago | (#40043321)

"This costs too much, here you do it."

Community did this already in 2010... (3, Insightful)

Freshly Exhumed (105597) | more than 2 years ago | (#40043323)

The community already took control of Mandriva's distro by forking it to Mageia in 2010. Mandriva, as a distro, has seemed almost pointless since then despite some inherent design changes. So, what Mandriva is now proposing seems to be an anachronism.

The nice Mageia distro was born from all the Mandriva uncertainty of the past several years and is about to launch version 2 any day now. Again, Mandriva seems almost pointless, but all the power in the world to people who take them up on their offer.

Re:Community did this already in 2010... (1)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#40049273)

That's what I was thinking - w/ Mageia out, why would devs care about Mandriva?

Re:Community did this already in 2010... (1)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#40049549)

Forgot to add - Mageia is now #6 on distrowatch, while Mandriva is #26.

Re:Community did this already in 2010... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40050271)

Because some people are too proud for that. Take a look at all the attack on the web and how some people see mageai as the devil incarnate because they said "no" to some technical change ( technical change that broke everything and make Mandriva compatible with nothing, aka RPM 5 ).

Re:Community did this already in 2010... (1)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#40052933)

I noticed this in the Mandriva blog [mandriva.com] , where it was pointed out that Mageia and PCLinuxOS both use RPM4 and Mandriva uses RPM5. What's the difference b/w the 2? Earlier in this thread, I was mentioning my problems w/ the RPM system of packaging, and someone was pointing out to me that it has nothing to do w/ file formats. But in addition to everything else, do we now have different versions of package managers? If that's the case, some major culling does need to happen w/ the distros - choice notwithstanding - otherwise even people who want to support Linux will find it hell.

Mandrake/Mandriva/Megia was buggy (1)

ntime60 (760780) | more than 2 years ago | (#40062735)

This is what happens when you don't listen to the community. I had been in an out of this distro for years. What attracted me to it was its ease of use and pretty graphics. What drove me away is very little worked and each patch level would bring a whole new round of troubles.
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