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HP To Cut 30,000 Jobs

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the enough-pink-slips-to-kill-a-forest dept.

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Axolotl_Rose writes with news that Hewlett-Packard is preparing to cut around 30,000 jobs, close to 10% of its total workforce. CEO Meg Whitman reportedly wants to use that money instead for new products and for bolstering the sales force. From the NY Times: "China, which is one of H.P.’s highest growth areas, will probably be spared, as will its research and development efforts. Ms. Whitman, who became H.P.’s chief executive last September, 'is trying to build a new company,' one senior executive said of the job cuts. 'You can count this as a part of that.' The final plan is expected to be announced on Wednesday, when H.P. announces earnings for its second fiscal quarter. Considered a slow-moving giant in the tech industry, H.P. had revenue of $127 billion in fiscal 2011, but net earnings of just $7.1 billion. While it has a leading position in the sales of low-margin personal computers, H.P. has been late or unsuccessful in many recent tech trends like providing cloud computing services for big companies and smartphones and tablet computers." An article at Forbes suggests HP should instead 'retool' those jobs by recruiting makers and hackers, TED conference speakers, and others who have experience building and inventing things.

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wait... what??? (5, Interesting)

starblazer (49187) | about 2 years ago | (#40041681)

HP still has a R&D division? Has hell frozen over? Is a CEO being intelligent for once??

Re:wait... what??? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40041847)

They are cutting jobs but concentrating efforts on sales. Yeah.. What I hear is please by from us but don't expect cutting edge, anything innovative, or decent support after the sale.

That pretty much puts the final nails in the coffin for what once was an inovative tech company.

Re:wait... what??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40041873)

Status quo in other words.

Re:wait... what??? (-1, Offtopic)

MayIFuckBootyassOff (2642651) | about 2 years ago | (#40042715)

Around a year ago, I was mindlessly surfing the internet (as I often do) when I came across an enigmatic web page. The page, which looked like a warning from my web browser, informed me that I had a virus installed on my computer and that to fix it, I should install a strange anti-virus program that I'd never heard of (which I found peculiar considering the fact that I already had anti-virus software installed on my computer). Despite having reservations about installing it, I did so anyway (since it appeared to be a legitimate warning).

I cannot even fathom what I was thinking at that time. Soon after attempting to install the so-called anti-virus software, my desktop background image changed into a large red warning sign, warnings about malware began making appearances all over the screen, and a strange program I'd never seen before began nagging me to buy a program to remove the viruses. What should have been obvious previously then became clear to me: that software was a virus. Frustrated by my own stupidity, I began tossing objects around the room and cursing at no one in particular.

After I calmed down, I reluctantly took my computer to a local PC repair shop and steeled myself for the incoming fee. When I entered, I noticed that there were four men working there, and all of them seemed incredibly nice (the shop itself was clean and stylish, too). After I described the situation to them, they gave me a big smile (as if they'd seen and heard it all before), accepted the job, and told me that the computer would be working like new again in a few days. At the time, I was confident that their words held a great degree of truth to them.

The very next day, while I was using a local library's computer and browsing the internet, I came across a website dedicated to a certain piece of software. It claimed that it could fix up my PC and make it run like new again. I knew, right then, merely from viewing a single page on the website, that it was telling the truth. I cursed myself for not discovering this excellent piece of software before I had taken my PC to the PC repair shop. "It would've saved me money. Oh, well. I'm sure they'll get the job done just fine. I can always use this software in the future to conserve money." Those were my honest thoughts at the time.

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Upon arriving inside the building, I looked upon the shop, which was a shadow of its former self, in shock. There were countless wires all over the floor, smashed computer parts scattered in every direction I looked, fallen shelves on the ground, desks flipped over on the ground, and, to make matters even worse, there was blood splattered all over the wall. Being the reasonable, upstanding, college-educated citizen that I was, I immediately concluded that the current state of the shop was due to none other than an employee's stress from work. I looked around a bit more, spotted three bodies sitting against the wall, and in the middle of the room, I spotted my computer. "Ah. There it is." Directly next to it was the shop's owner, sitting on the ground in the fetal position.

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Re:wait... what??? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042047)

Its more like they are cutting jobs to show a profit. Its says we are clueless and know no other way of turning a profit. So we will toss out our knowledge base people and hope the cheaper ones in China will work out. Kodak tried this except the engineering went to Japan and Xerox is still trying it. Good luck American worker.

Re:wait... what??? (2)

0123456 (636235) | about 2 years ago | (#40042141)

The funny part is that the Chinese are complaining that they can't find new workers willing to work for peanuts any more.

Re:wait... what??? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042187)

There's good news in this.

HP has been making trash equipment for a long time. Their printers are garbage, the software for them is worse. Their business laptops ship with non-functional radio chipsets and I've been told they just won't be fixed. I've gotten servers shipped to me with unsigned drivers that just don't work, and their foreign tech support is the consistently the worst I've ever had to deal with (and over phone lines that barely work). Not to labor the subject, but I actually had someone in India call me a thief when I called to ask them to replace a missing part on a laptop that came back from depot service. Worse yet, I've seen zero indication that they intend to do anything, about any of this, for years.

Any company that pumps out crap product and treats its customers like garbage for the sake of short term cost cutting, trying to squeeze out another .03 bump in their stock price, deserves to die the kind of death HP is going to suffer.

For my part, I say, "fuck em".

Re:wait... what??? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042559)

The PC industry is dying. Soon there will only be Apple and strange no-name clones. Office of the future = iPads

Re:wait... what??? (4, Insightful)

sapgau (413511) | about 2 years ago | (#40042597)

+1
I totally agree, I stopped using HP 5 years ago after suffering with crappy products and zero support.
If you are R&D company it should take you no effort to develop on successful platforms like Palm, instead they just killed it.

Re:wait... what??? (5, Informative)

Lord of the Fries (132154) | about 2 years ago | (#40042737)

I agree in a non-humane principled sort of way. But my bet is that it's not those 10,000 peoples faults that HP is where it's at today. Which makes me sad. 10,000 poppa's and momma's are going to have to find jobs doing something else in a depressed economy. The well to do management will experience a drop in their earnings, but they won't suffer the same way.

The only way I'd be happy is if the story stated that among the 10,000, every single "product manager" employed by HP was being terminated. In every company I've watched or been part of that has tanked in the last 20 years, it's always been accompanied by a growing role of the "product manager."

Re:wait... what??? (2)

iamgnat (1015755) | about 2 years ago | (#40042197)

I dunno, sounds like they are going to try the Oracle model of business and it sure seems to work well enough for them.

Should be... (5, Funny)

busyqth (2566075) | about 2 years ago | (#40041735)

Why not just cut 300,000 right away and get ahead of the game for once?

Re:Should be... (1)

Jeng (926980) | about 2 years ago | (#40041919)

Because they will quietly re-hire another 30,000 people to fire again.

Re:Should be... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40041973)

Don't forget that the 30k re-hires will reset the benefits clocks -- healthier younger people who will work with less actual taken vacation.

Bolstering the sales force (3, Insightful)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about 2 years ago | (#40041741)

Because when you offshor^H^H cut a bunch of jobs, you need more salespeople to sit by the phones to answer calls about products you offshor^H^H have sold-off in order to mak^H^H save money.

Re:Bolstering the sales force (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40041849)

CIO: So, HP rep, please tell me why I should choose your products and services.

HP Rep: Well, our products and support are both top-notch.

CIO: Where are your products made? Where are your support staff located?

HP Rep: China and Bangalore, respectively.

CIO: Fuck off, low-rent trash.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Maybe not fuck off .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042085)

American based IT firms have been very vocal about "shortages" of IT workers and then it became "Americans aren't qualified enough" so we have to move to Inida and other countries because that's where the qualified people are.

Well assuming that's true, why should we buy from an American company whose business is to just resell Indian services at a very hefty markup or to just ship the work overseas? They offer no other value and the Indian firms offer the exact same services directly.

Why not just cut out the middleman and buy from Indian IT firms and dave at least 50%? Either way, you will get the same quality.

Re:Maybe not fuck off .... (3, Interesting)

squiggleslash (241428) | about 2 years ago | (#40042429)

Moreover, I'd assume stuff made by Indian companies (as in, the products are designed and created there) to be infinitely better quality than stuff made by American companies who outsource.

I've experienced outsourcing, and had to work with people who are on the end of a telephone in a different country, timezone, and living in a different culture. The issue wasn't that the guys on the other end were especially incompetent (many were, but I've worked in IT long enough to know that 75% of the people who work with you are usually barely able to string a subroutine together), but that the wall between us made development close to impossible. The only project management worth a damn under the circumstances was waterfall, and the downsides to being reliant on formal, comprehensive, specs were all too apparent.

There's no substitute for people who work together on a project working together. Which is why, ultimately, companies like HP who think that the way to solve temporary financial issues is to get rid of their US operations and become marketing shells for goods "designed" and "manufactured" by themselves only nominally, will eventually go the way of the do-do. With no imagination, and with native operators being more efficient, HP cannot beat companies like Asus and Acer.

Re:Bolstering the sales force (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042045)

Because when you offshor^H^H cut a bunch of jobs, you need more turd-polishers to sit by the phones to answer calls about products you offshor^H^H have sold-off in order to mak^H^H save money.

FTFY

Re:Bolstering the sales force (1)

sjwest (948274) | about 2 years ago | (#40042469)

Speaking as a consumer the last time i bothered to contact hp the person on im (built into help) wanted to know if i was american, saying european got me disconnected [some years ago]. We did not buy a great deal of hp stuff after that

It might explain why i never even bothered to look at hp for a recent replacement thing (plus issues with the windows tax), and we also thinking of dumping our hp printers when they die due to annoyances with consumables and there blow up chips in toner cartridges.

The funniest thing i saw recently was a printer supplies promotion that offered an ipad to the winner.

Oh yeah, that'll help. (5, Insightful)

JustAnotherIdiot (1980292) | about 2 years ago | (#40041747)

I have a friend who works at HP, and he's constantly tell me how they're overworked due to constantly lowering employee count.
I'm sure cutting out 10% of the workforce, shoving even more extra work on everyone else, will just be a huge moral boost. /sarcasm

Re:Oh yeah, that'll help. (5, Insightful)

Reverand Dave (1959652) | about 2 years ago | (#40041777)

That's the american way to boost productivity. If you make 1 person do 3 people's jobs then they are 200% more productive.

Re:Oh yeah, that'll help. (4, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | about 2 years ago | (#40041803)

You forgot the adverb.

You get 1 person doing 3 people's work badly.

--
BMO

Re:Oh yeah, that'll help. (5, Funny)

An ominous Cow art (320322) | about 2 years ago | (#40042363)

If those 30,000 employees all work on print drivers, maybe we'll see them (the drivers) shrink to a reasonable size...

Management Logic: (4, Insightful)

Cid Highwind (9258) | about 2 years ago | (#40042661)

If you get one person doing the work of three, that's management success and you should get a big bonus.

If that person does 3 jobs badly, that's his personal failure and should be noted in his next performance review!

Vote Romney! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042705)

Vote Romney!

Re:Oh yeah, that'll help. (3, Informative)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about 2 years ago | (#40042721)

...200% more productive.

All of which goes to executive compensation and maybe dividends for shareholders. The worker gets none of the benefit of added productivity.

Re:Oh yeah, that'll help. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40041789)

Your friend won't be complaining about how overworked he is any longer.. /HP Management

Re:Oh yeah, that'll help. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042533)

They are doing the same thing at IBM. Cut headcount and let the survivors pick up the work. I'm not sure if our stock is up because of innovation, or because we have higher "profit" due to less payroll...

Let me be (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40041759)

The first commenting HP employee, on the bus on the way to his job laughing uncomfortably a bit to himself

The 21st century formula for a successful company (5, Insightful)

crazyjj (2598719) | about 2 years ago | (#40041813)

The modern CEO doesn't grow his company in the long-term. He doesn't build good products and increase sales, putting profits back into R&D, new products, and new hires. He doesn't pay shareholders modest dividends and tell them about his long-term strategy for slowly growing and maintaining a profitable company. That shit is old school!

The 21st century CEO boosts short term profits by cutting jobs and forcing existing workers to pick up the slack. He shows the shareholders that the next quarter's profits are great and they call him a visionary. He hides debt with a shell game, cuts workers to hide sales declines, and outsources everything he can to some sweatshop that produces crap product to lower prices. The 21st century CEO looks AMAZING on paper.

And in the long-term...well, who gives a shit about the long-term? By then the 21 century CEO has long since bailed out with his golden parachute. Let Uncle Sam bail them out.

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40041879)

ah western culture - too bad we (EU) are also selling off everything for that short term quick fix.

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40041937)

Nice idea except the HP CEO is a woman.

Yes that's a woman as in a girl.

Yes I know that's a strange concept for basement dwelling slashdot nerds to handle.

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (5, Informative)

crazyjj (2598719) | about 2 years ago | (#40042023)

You may not be a native English speaker, so you may not be aware of the fact that we have no gender-neutral, third person, singular pronoun for a person. One must choose either "he" or "she" or the much more awkward "he/she." I supposed one could also go with "it" but most humans take offense to being called an "it" for some reason. Being as most CEO's are men, I chose "he" in this instance. I think that's a reasonable choice.

And as for Meg Whitman, well I'm sorry if I may have offended the woman who just threw 30,000 families into dire crisis. I suppose she'll just have to live with it.

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042261)

One must choose either "he" or "she" or the much more awkward "he/she."

This is why, in these cases, I use "she/he/it". While this probably isn't correct, either, I like the way it sounds.

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (2)

s.petry (762400) | about 2 years ago | (#40042441)

Or you could just re-write the sentence without the need for a he/she/it reference, which is usually the first choice.

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042353)

You reply is a bit shortsighted. Perhaps throwing 30,000 families into crisis is a better alternative to closing the companies doors and letting 300,000 families face the music. This is life. Not everything is roses. CEOs need to make hard decisions that can have bad outcomes for some individuals. Cut the woman a little slack before calling her evil.

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042677)

>Considered a slow-moving giant in the tech industry, H.P. had revenue of $127 billion in fiscal 2011, but net earnings of just $7.1 billion.

That's a 7.1bn dollar profit, right there in the summary. So no it wasn't about having to close up shop otherwise, and likely not about anything other than upping that number for the investors.

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 2 years ago | (#40042697)

Technically and formally you would use "one". But no one follows formal English rules anymore.

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (2)

Convector (897502) | about 2 years ago | (#40042783)

I believe Futurama established that the correct pronoun is "shklee".

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (0)

scamper_22 (1073470) | about 2 years ago | (#40042009)

Life is always a two way steak.

Yes, companies have changed... if your view for the worse.
But employees are also changed.

Today is the IPO of Facebook. There's a link there. The link between the decline in the long-term innovative company and the innovative-startup culture.

I tell my tech-friends. It is a two-way streak. It's an odd worldview that we cheer the startup culture and the innovation economy... while at the same time complaining about the modern company as you do.

Life is about trade offs. And we have traded stable boring R&D for rapid innovation and profits.

Perhaps it was a good trade. Perhaps not.

Perhaps the startup culture was merely a response to the old boring R&D being thrown out in favor of crazy profiteering business.

You ask about the long-term? Well maybe you haven't noticed the new government model of innovation. The long term is handled by the public sector and universities getting public funds to do research. The private sector runs on short term and fights to the death for the best products. This way progressives think we get the best of both worlds. We get rapid innovation and long term R&D.

It just sucks to be a private sector worker who doesn't hit it big in the rapid innovation part.

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042071)

Life is always a two way steak.

AH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one!
On a side note, the rest of your post is now invalid.

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042381)

Tell your tech-friends it's a two-way streak, then.

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (3, Interesting)

JoeZeppy (715167) | about 2 years ago | (#40042161)

Facebook is a media company, more like Time/Warner than IBM, except they produce even less. Facebook delivers eyeballs to advertisers, nothing more.

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (4, Insightful)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | about 2 years ago | (#40042033)

Well - in Whitman's defense, HP needs to retool itself. If their claim to fame is personal computers, they will be an also-ran within 5 years. They need to retool with services, get in on the cloud-storage/processing game, and start putting out products and services that people are interested in. Otherwise, they can sit in a corner with Gateway and talk about the olden days.

That, unfortunately, takes drastic measures. Apotheker had the right idea, but just executed it in the worst possible way. Now the question is whether Whitman has the right idea, AND can execute on it. Cutting 10k workers sounds harsh, but it's a nasty requirement for effecting a turn-around.

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (1)

Creepy (93888) | about 2 years ago | (#40042119)

I'm sure they have plenty of chaff to cull from the EDS merger. As a former worker for a *profitable* EDS group that was spun off, they were in what I call the Control Data spiral before being snapped up by HP. The CD spiral is when you sell off all of your profitable divisions to keep your stock from going junk, which in turn dooms your company. Anyway, I have nothing but ill to say about EDS, so I probably shouldn't say anything. Motherfuckers.

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042413)

get in on the cloud-storage/processing game

That's a good idea. [hpcloud.com]

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042669)

I like that the solution to a formerly well-regarded hardware manufacturer is to do the same "services" crap as everyone else, which will most likely be outsourced to India or China until such time as an Indian or Chinese company does the same services crap and puts HP out of business. Go Team America.

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042099)

You forgot the classic CxO loot your own company scheme: fire everyone, use the "savings" to buy back stock, then cash out/exercise your options on the overinflated stock before it crashes.

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (5, Insightful)

crazyjj (2598719) | about 2 years ago | (#40042159)

There is nothing quite as beautiful as seeing the plane in free-fall and on fire behind you, as you float to your new private island on a parachute stitched from gold thread and destroyed lives.

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042137)

I wish I could give you some points, this is whats wrong with Western industries. I think things will hit absolute rock bottom before anything gets better if it ever does.

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (0)

roman_mir (125474) | about 2 years ago | (#40042143)

So the 21st century CEO takes the exact path and prescription forced upon him by the 21st century type of government. What else is new?

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042713)

1. This isn't a 21st century thing. Human history is full of tyrants and kings who don't exactly treat their serfs very well
2. Nobody's forcing any CEO to take any path. They could have, for example, moved the business completely out of the country, away from those governments they hate.

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042175)

What about Apple?

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042249)

Gotta love how slashdot is all libertarian when it comes to eliminating things like welfare and health insurance for the poor, but when rich nerds start getting hurt it's time to whine and bitch and moan all day.

Suck it up, sunshine. Welcome to the world that the rest of us have been living in basically since that fucking asshole reagan got elected.

R&D (1)

DarthVain (724186) | about 2 years ago | (#40042371)

Though to his credit it seems they might not touch the R&D which would be contrary to what you are talking about. That is of course if it is true...

Re:The 21st century formula for a successful compa (1)

s.petry (762400) | about 2 years ago | (#40042425)

Outside of the obvious gender bias, I agree with most of what you said. HP Shareholders should realize that the 30,000 people they are about to screw over are also customers, and advocates of HP products. Obviously this is going to drop 30,000 people from their customer and advocate list, plus all of their friends and family members will think twice about buying or using HP.

The slow murder of the american worker continues (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40041837)

Overpaid hack CEO moves in, cuts jobs for short term stock price gains. Company eventually falters as the productivity from cut workers eventually works its way out of the system. CEO leaves with golden parachute, buddies on board of another company move CEO to another fresh ground to continue to the slaughter.

I'm beginning to see why the french thought the guillotine was such an attractive option.

Re:The slow murder of the american worker continue (0)

aaarrrgggh (9205) | about 2 years ago | (#40042639)

Oh come on... This is HP we are talking about. They likely have 30,000 people in the packaging division responsible for the absurd amount of trash every time you buy an HP product.

The company needs to be reborn, and that is going to require re-prioritization of jobs. Saying they can't fire people will doom them to Kodak's fate. As long as they use the money for something good, it is how you run a business. So far, Meg isn't talking about a share repurchase or some other nonsense.

Rigth... (3, Interesting)

TheDarkMaster (1292526) | about 2 years ago | (#40041867)

"...CEO Meg Whitman reportedly wants to use that money instead for new products and for bolstering the sales force."

I bought a HP netbook, believing that I would have something of quality. Big mistake. I think is not going to help increase the number of sellers, if you only have crappy products for sale.

Disgraced Republican Candidate for Governor (5, Funny)

bit trollent (824666) | about 2 years ago | (#40041877)

Anyone who watch Meg Whitman run for governor should realize by now that she is an abject retard.

I wouldn't put her in charge of a car wash, much less a multinational company.

I guess after that other Republican candidate, Carley Fiorina started driving HP into the ground they needed another mentally handicapped Republican to finish the job.

Right... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042233)

...because if HP instead had a liberal democrat for a CEO, they would suddenly once again become a vibrant, thriving company due to having no shame to tap into an endless supply of government money just like GM.

Re:Disgraced Republican Candidate for Governor (5, Interesting)

toadlife (301863) | about 2 years ago | (#40042579)

My favorite part of that campaign was when Whitman went on and on about how '30 years ago everything was great in California', forgetting that 30 years ago was during the tail-end of her opponent's first two terms as CA governor.

Re:Disgraced Republican Candidate for Governor (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042617)

I'm in California and I remember that campaign well. I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it a disgrace; but it was certainly a blunder.

Meg carpet bombed the TV with ads. I think I figured she spent $4/citizen and even more if you only count registered or likely voters.

That alone made me sick of her; but then you have to remember what the whole election was about: managing a state in fiscal crisis.

What did Jerry Brown do during the campaign? He had less money, so he waited until later in the election, and deployed it carefully.

Hello!!! Who did we think would make a better governor in this situation?

We also knew that a liberal who had to make cuts would be far more effective in the political process than a conservative who wanted to make cuts. That's exactly what he's doing now. I don't regret voting for him.

H.P. (3, Interesting)

Matheus (586080) | about 2 years ago | (#40041899)

Did it bug anyone else that they kept using H.P. instead of HP?

Maybe it's just me...

It's not just you (1)

twoears (1514043) | about 2 years ago | (#40042165)

The use of H.P. is pretty rare. Nearly as bothersome is the use of H-P by the press. Nobody says I.B.M., do they? Then why H.P.? I've never owned an H.P. product or H-P product, but lots of HP calculators, printers, computers, etc.

Re:It's not just you (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042489)

NY Times follows their own style rules rather than corporate marketing's. H.P. and I.B.M. are abbreviations, so they consistently use periods. (On the other hand, A.T.&T. used be an abbreviation, but they actually renamed the company to "AT&T".)

There's some other weird Timesisms like "Nato" (pronounced as a word) and "compact disk" (Disc is a trademark, not an english word).

Re:H.P. (2)

demonbug (309515) | about 2 years ago | (#40042179)

Did it bug anyone else that they kept using H.P. instead of HP?

Maybe it's just me...

They're just re-branding; they got tired of hiding the fact that they are run by a Lovecraftian Horror, so they're just going to run with it.

Need a new server? Why settle for the lesser of two evils? Just don't look too closely at the docs... that way lies insanity.

Manufacturing is for suckers (0)

Killer Orca (1373645) | about 2 years ago | (#40041985)

Look at all those saps in China stuck working in all the high tech sectors manufacturing plants, you think their standard of living is any good. Trust me people no nation ever improved its status with factories.

Re:Manufacturing is for suckers (1)

0123456 (636235) | about 2 years ago | (#40042109)

Trust me people no nation ever improved its status with factories.

Except all the countries who had industrial revolutions and built large manufacturing bases.

Re:Manufacturing is for suckers (2)

Jeng (926980) | about 2 years ago | (#40042423)

So Africa with it's lack of factories should have a very good standard of living then?

A local manufacturing base helps with social divides by giving the lower classes a way to become the middle class.

HP is like a giant QA department (1)

alen (225700) | about 2 years ago | (#40042003)

it seems like almost everything they sell is OEM'd by someone else and HP just makes sure it works together, rebrands the drivers, rebrands the hardware and markets it. I've bought HP branded Emulex HBA's that looked just like the Emulex branded ones. drivers were compatible as well.

except printers and ink does HP really make anything on it own?

Re:HP is like a giant QA department (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042129)

Yes, they are called memristors

Re:HP is like a giant QA department (1)

Jeng (926980) | about 2 years ago | (#40042729)

One of the products I do tech support for was last updated back in 1999. It works just fine on almost all computers, but there are specific models of HP/Compaq that they do not work no due to an incompatible audio chipset that is only on specific HP/Compaq computers.

CEO Meg Whitman? New Products? (1)

mtrachtenberg (67780) | about 2 years ago | (#40042081)

CEO Meg Whitman wants to use the savings for new products? Oh, come on.

She just needs more cash to pay her household staff. You can't have people talking, you know.

Bad CEO replaced by bad CEO replaced by bad CEO (5, Interesting)

tomhath (637240) | about 2 years ago | (#40042101)

Carly Fiorina gutted the company and put it into a tailspin. Hurd took over and promised to fix things by gutting the company. Now Whitman has taken over and promised to fix things by gutting the company. I hate to see HP go, at one time it was a great company, but they lost their way under Fiorina and never recovered.

Re:Bad CEO replaced by bad CEO replaced by bad CEO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042237)

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

HP going... Stallone's Demolition Man for CEO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042333)

HP going, going, gone....

I see into the future a day where there will be no more Proliant Servers.
All servers will now be Taco Dell.

Oops, I mean all restaurants will be Taco Bell.
Whatever.

PS: pass me those three sea shells.

Re:Bad CEO replaced by bad CEO replaced by bad CEO (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042543)

A new CEO was hired to replace an outgoing CEO. The outgoing CEO met with the incoming CEO for an exit interview. During the discussion, the departing CEO stated he had placed 3 very important letters in his drawer just as his predecessor had done for him. He explained that the new CEO would find opening the letters in order most useful when a serious event took place. He also stated the letters left for him had really helped him over his tenure.

        Several months passed before a major event came up. The new CEO now remembered the letters and noticed they were numbered 1, 2, and 3. The former CEO had instructed they be opened in order for maximal benefit. The new CEO opened letter #1 and the paper inside had the words “blame it on your predecessor.” The new CEO did as the letter stated and amazingly he was able to avert serious problems and keep his job.

        Several months passed before the next serious event took place. This one was growing in magnitude and things were starting to get ugly at the company. There were even calls for the CEO to step down. In desperation, the CEO opened the drawer and pulled out letter #2. With great fear he, opened it carefully to read the word “reorganize.” He followed the instructions and just as before he was saved. The whole company quieted down and went back to business as usual.

        After about a year, a third serious event took place and it was much worse than the rest. The CEO knew how to get out of the mess because he had a third letter left to open. With a smile he reached for the letter #3 and opened it to read “write 3 letters.”

Re:Bad CEO replaced by bad CEO replaced by bad CEO (4, Insightful)

steelfood (895457) | about 2 years ago | (#40042625)

Sounds like a board issue. They're not picking the right people for the job (I would've said person, but this has happened twice within as many decades).

Farewell gift (2)

mnemonic123 (2642629) | about 2 years ago | (#40042319)

HP should send everyone a hp touchpad as a farewell gift, that they always remember why their jobs are now gone. Hope they don't forget the "Thanks Leo" sticker on the backside.

Don't buy HP in a year (1)

p51d007 (656414) | about 2 years ago | (#40042349)

So, does that mean, like it typically does, when a company cuts like that, they will also find ways to "save" on produced products? Which means they will cut corners on products, to make them cheaper, but still sell them at the higher price to "improve" the bottom line.

The HP that was, and isn't any longer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042365)

Back in the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s, HP had a (deserved) reputation for making the most awesome, reliable, and innovative tech gear available. The president kept the business on track, and the vp of engineering (Dr. Bertram Raphael in the 80's) kept the technology on track. Now, HP makes crap. In fact, my data center managers (multiple world-wide data centers) won't buy their stuff because it is unreliable. Even 10 years ago, that would not have been the case. HP got caught up in the "business", and forgot about their vision - innovative gear for engineers. Now they are just an "also-ran" PC manufacturer. Sad.

meg whitman, not a job creator (3, Informative)

Dan667 (564390) | about 2 years ago | (#40042385)

think of what she would have done to California if she had been elected. They dodged a bullet with that one.

Re:meg whitman, not a job creator (1)

andydread (758754) | about 2 years ago | (#40042585)

MOD PARENT UP!! She won't be campaigning again as a so called "Job Creator" lol That term is such a cynical term.

Time will tell if this is a good thing for HP. (4, Insightful)

ErichTheRed (39327) | about 2 years ago | (#40042517)

I'm sure that with the EDS acquisition, as well as all the other companies HP went out and bought, there are tons of people hiding out waiting to see which group of employees survives the merger. With the PC and printer divisions merging, that looks to me like a lot of sales guys, account managers and customer liaison people are going to be looking for work as well. HP has 300,000 people or something like that. It's kind of like IBM -- once a company gets too big, people can build themselves a very safe spot without doing too much work simply because it's too hard to keep track of everything.

I've had some limited experience with EDS, and from what I saw, there's LOTS of room to cut there. Outsourcing contracts can only support so many project managers, support staff and liaisons-to-liaisons without affecting the number of actual workers who do work.

The problem is that mass-firings like this, especially ones led by management consultants, tend to gut product engineering and design teams, and leave the overhead in place. Even though Whitman may be sparing HP Labs, which was cut to the bone under Fiorina and Hurd, that doesn't account for the everyday hardware engineers who have to design HP's next products. If HP wants to stay successful long-term, they need to ignore the typical McKinsey speak and keep the people who can build stuff that HP can sell.

I'm working in one of the very few dinosaur-era fields that actually needs to buy good-quality PCs and servers for customer projects. Think stick-in-the-mud customers, low or no network bandwidth and old applications. HP and Lenovo are basically the only choices if you want a decent, well-made business grade PC with a warranty and stable configuration. All the hardware manufacturers need to lay off the cloud kool-aid and realize that there will be a balance between local, private and hosted for quite a while. Not every business is ready for the cloud, the cloud doesn't make sense for some businesses, and even the cloudy people need decent machines to run VMWare, Hyper-V, Xen, etc. on. In HP's case, I'm sure the McKinsey people read the Gartner people's Magic Quadrant stuff, concluded that every business will be in the cloud by 2017, and recommended that HP get out of the traditional PC and services business, and become strictly a cloud provider. Problem is, when the social media/Web 2.0/cloud bubble pops, things are going to swing back to a sane mix of hosted and local, and HP might not have anything good to offer anymore.

How many from EDS? (1)

Anonymous Meoward (665631) | about 2 years ago | (#40042577)

I know at least one (talented) person who has been let go from what was once EDS. I'm willing to bet that a lot more less-talented ones are on the way out.

Seriously. I really don't know what GM did to EDS before HP bought them, but from the stories I've heard, they have to be the largest collection of mental defectives to run an IT shop. Their processes were totally divorced from reality. I half expected Randall P. McMurphy to show up as new employee one day.

I'm no fan of "resource actions", having been through 2 myself, but purging the Enterprise Services division, or whatever EDS has been re-christened, was probably long long overdue.

.

Start by firing staff in the printer division (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40042593)

Used to really like HP printers but that past few had such crappy, bloated software I'm looking for alternatives when I'm upgrading.

Saddest Part (4, Interesting)

Lord of the Fries (132154) | about 2 years ago | (#40042683)

"While it has a leading position in the sales of low-margin personal computers."

How ironic and sad that this is HP's claim to fame now days. There was a time when this was simply so not true. There was a time when you bought HP stuff (and you paid top dollars for you), you knew you could throw it against a wall or drive a car over it and it just kept working. Quality was #1, bar no competition. That was back when the engineers still had a bit of say in what went down there.

Any idiot can cut costs (2)

ghostdoc (1235612) | about 2 years ago | (#40042763)

Any large company that thinks giving 10% of their workforce to their competition is going to make them a better competitor in their market has got to be dreaming.

But, obviously, clearly, cutting 10% of your overhead must immediately increase your profitability by 10%. This is truth.

For truly it is said: 'any idiot can cut costs, only a true leader can grow sales'

Slowly dying HP...... (2)

who_stole_my_kidneys (1956012) | about 2 years ago | (#40042767)

We use all HP iron, its has been great for the most part. However HP as a whole is such a disorganized cluster fuck, it no wonder they are loosing money.

Their documentation is in such a disarray your have to navigate a shit labyrinth of documents on their website to find the one you need, only to realize its just flat out wrong.

God ford bid you actually need to speak to any one, India is the only place you can call, if you try your sales rep, or "regional manager" they give you the same shitty number where the ass clown in India tells you to restart your entire server cluster, in the middle of the day, to fix a failing HD issue.

I welcome this as an opportunity to jump ship on a sinking empire that has lost its way.

Meg Whitman (2)

DaMattster (977781) | about 2 years ago | (#40042777)

This makes me wonder if Meg Whitman hasn't received some "economic advantages" from China. This is really very sad. HP is a United States-based company. The layoffs should hit China first. This makes me think Meg Whitman isn't very patriotic. She is loyal to her own bottom line. I understand things were better at eBay before she came on the scene. Let's watch her further decimate HP.
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