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Curt Schilling's 38 Studios Struggling Financially

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the welcome-to-the-big-leagues dept.

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medv4380 writes "38 Studios, run by Curt Schilling, is having a hard time paying its bills and employees. The gaming community hasn't been happy with the company since the issue with an Online Pass for Single Player Content, which we discussed previously. Now, 38 Studios has bounced a check intended as a payment on its $75 million loan from the state of Rhode Island. If the company defaults, Rhode Island taxpayers will have to cover the loan and interest, which could total nearly $100 million."

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who? (1, Offtopic)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044445)

Why do we care about this?

Re:who? (4, Informative)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044477)

Curt Schilling.

Mr. Bloody Sock himself.

You need to get out of your basement once in a while.

--
BMO

Re:who? (2)

sunderland56 (621843) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044523)

A little bit of ketchup goes a long, long way.

Re:who? (4, Funny)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044875)

You need to get out of your basement once in a while.

Isn't this really the sort of knowledge gained by spending more time in the basement?

Re:who? (5, Interesting)

Rogue Haggis Landing (1230830) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045397)

You need to get out of your basement once in a while.

Isn't this really the sort of knowledge gained by spending more time in the basement?

Schilling's Bloody Sock is one of the most famous incidents in American sports in the 21st century [wikipedia.org] , and occurred during the most-remembered playoff series in baseball of the last few decades. Lots of people who aren't basement dwellers know all about it.

A basement dweller hears Schilling's name and remembers that only 4.9% of the runs that Schilling allowed over his career were unearned, which is the lowest percentage for any pitcher with a long career. We, er, *they* know that this means that ERA undervalues Schilling, because preventing unearned runs is a skill -- you do it by striking out batters, not walking anyone, and getting batters to hit fly balls rather than ground balls.

Basement dwellers, and a lot of other people, also know that Schilling has been a very outspoken conservative proponent of small government for many years. He'd say that a free-spending government corrupts the market, corrupts individuals, and leads to lots of waste. I guess he just went out and proved himself right!

Now if you'll excuse me, Mom says that lunch is ready. Hope it isn't PB&J again!

Re:who? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40045495)

A basement dweller hears Schilling's name and remembers that only 4.9% of the runs that Schilling allowed over his career were unearned, which is the lowest percentage for any pitcher with a long career. We, er, *they* know that this means that ERA undervalues Schilling, because preventing unearned runs is a skill -- you do it by striking out batters, not walking anyone, and getting batters to hit fly balls rather than ground balls.

Yeah, that's way more useful than being able to identify the classes of various starships.

Re:who? (1)

skids (119237) | more than 2 years ago | (#40046037)

Ah, Sports Geeks. Gotta love them. It takes a lot of talent to turn what is normally a social bridge into a social liability.

Re:who? (1)

Rogue Haggis Landing (1230830) | more than 2 years ago | (#40046471)

A basement dweller hears Schilling's name and remembers that only 4.9% of the runs that Schilling allowed over his career were unearned, which is the lowest percentage for any pitcher with a long career. We, er, *they* know that this means that ERA undervalues Schilling, because preventing unearned runs is a skill -- you do it by striking out batters, not walking anyone, and getting batters to hit fly balls rather than ground balls.

Yeah, that's way more useful than being able to identify the classes of various starships.

Of course it's not at all useful, which is the great beauty of it. Baseball probably has more nerd fans than any other American sport, in large part because it is an incredible generator of numerical data. Just look at Schilling's page at Baseball Reference [baseball-reference.com] . Look at all of those beautiful numbers!

A baseball game is largely a series of discrete events with a relatively limited number of possible outcomes. A typical baseball game has maybe 250-300 pitches thrown in it, each one of which has a measurable outcome that can be described in a relatively small number of ways. Almost every plate appearance results in one of these 27 outcomes [baseballscorecard.com] . We have box scores recording most or all of this information going back to 1918, and various more basic levels of data back to 1871.

You can probably see where this is leading. Lots of data compiled over many years plus a relatively simple array of outcomes means that baseball is extremely well suited to the statistically inclined. There is a vast well of data to mine, you can create mathematical models of the game relatively easily, and, most importantly, many of these models do a decent job of describing what actually occurs on the field. And so now we have the vast and ever-expanding field of Sabermetrics [wikipedia.org] , full of wonderful things like minor league equivalencies [baseballthinkfactory.org] and extensive studies of the effects of a catcher's ability to "frame" a pitch [baseballprospectus.com] . It's even possible to be a knowledgeable baseball fan and *never* watch a game or listen to one on the radio, but instead just look at the numbers every day. Almost like in The Matrix.

Compare this to other team sports, like football (either kind) or basketball. In them, numerous people are involved in every play and you have no good way of recording this in a way you can put on a spreadsheet. You can watch a soccer game and see that the goal was scored because a player who never touched the ball made a great run that confused the defense. But it's very difficult to record this information in a form that is friendly to data analysis. Or think of American football -- how do you make a good statistical record of the play of an offensive lineman? It's very difficult. In baseball, the fundamental interaction is between the pitcher throwing the ball and the batter trying to hit it. It's almost binary, and everything else on the field is vastly less important. It's a game for numbers, it's a game for nerds.

Re:who? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045801)

Basement dwellers, and a lot of other people, also know that Schilling has been a very outspoken conservative proponent of small government for many years. He'd say that a free-spending government corrupts the market, corrupts individuals, and leads to lots of waste. I guess he just went out and proved himself right!

This stuff about this person is all news to me, as I don't waste my time watching the idiotic and non-athletic children's game masquerading as a "sport" called baseball. However, I have noticed that most people, high-profile or not, who claim to be proponents of "small government" are generally liars or hypocrites, who will happily suck on the government teat any time they have an opportunity to. Defense contractors, for instance, are full of people claiming to be "small-government conservatives", yet they're all happily get overpaid for BS work courtesy the US taxpayer.

Re:who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40046459)

I don't waste my time watching the idiotic and non-athletic children's game masquerading as a "sport" called baseball.

Troll much

Re:who? (2)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#40046525)

No, it's an honest opinion, and probably shared by most everyone outside the USA. Are you some moronic baseball fan or something?

Honestly, watching paint dry is more exciting than that "sport".

Re:who? (4, Insightful)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045825)

Of course, Slashdotters who aren't from the United States will be hard-pressed to even name a baseball team*, will wonder why unearned runs aren't prevented by the referee and will wonder what a French New Age pop band has to do with sports. Baseball and American football, while big in the states, are entirely obscure in much of the rest of the world.

* Well, I know that there is a team called the "Red Socks" but I have no idea whether it's a baseball or football team, nor do I care about it enough to ask Wikipedia.

Re:who? (2)

david.given (6740) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045913)

Apparently it's really popular in South Korea, too. Go figure.

We also have it here in the UK; although we call it 'rounders', and it's usually played only by little girls.

Re:who? (1)

Xphile101361 (1017774) | more than 2 years ago | (#40046153)

This quote made my day

Re:who? (-1)

SomeJoel (1061138) | more than 2 years ago | (#40046127)

* Well, I know that there is a team called the "Red Socks" but I have no idea whether it's a baseball or football team, nor do I care about it enough to ask Wikipedia.

There's no such team in the NFL or the MLB. However, the Boston Red Sox are a professional baseball team (MLB). So, the one little fact you knew about sports was wrong. That's a shame.

I'd explain the difference between an earned run and an unearned run, but I know deep down you don't give a shit.

Re:who? (1)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 2 years ago | (#40046409)

To be honest I pretty much only know the name from hearing it in movies or series (usually in relation with some character being a Red Sox fan even though they apparently never win, IIRC) so I wasn't sure about the spelling. I figured I must have had confused them with the Sarbanes-Oxley Act.

And for the record, I'm from Germany and I don't give a shit about soccer, as well. That should serve to illustrate how I don't care about sports at all, given that most Germans are extremely enthusiastic about soccer even if, just like Hollywood's version of the Red Sox, we never win.

Re:who? (1)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#40046157)

So apparently Japan, Taiwan, Korea, the Philippines, and almost all of Latin America don't count. And to think, Europeans think Americans are insular...

Re:who? (1)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 2 years ago | (#40046327)

I said "much of the rest of the world", not "the entire rest of the world". I know that baseball is popular in certain parts of asia but that doesn't change the fact that in large parts of the world no one will know a baseball player even if he is a household name in places where baseball is celebrated.

Re:who? (1)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#40046419)

One would be hard pressed to come up with a story that is interesting to the whole world. Honestly, even setting aside the baseball angle, would your average Russian or Indian care about the bankruptcy of a small American video game shop?

Re:who? (2)

chispito (1870390) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044529)

Video games matter to a lot of nerds. Also, some nerds live in Rhode Island. Or are Red Sox fans. Really, there are a lot of angles here. I'm surprised you didn't think of any of them yourself.

Re:who? (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044561)

It might help if the summary mentioned some games they'd produced, so we'd know whether to care.

Re:who? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40044693)

Only one game. Amalur. Came out a few months ago. Got good reviews.

Re:who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40045203)

I have no idea. Who is this guy? Why is he notable? What games has his company made? What is this "bloody sock" nonsense that people are referring to? This isn't someone with the notability of Sid Meier or Sean Connery, yet people are talking about him like he's some household name.

Re:who? (2)

paiute (550198) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045261)

Curt Schilling: 216 MLB wins
Sean Connery: 0 MLB wins

Re:who? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40045399)

And /. cares about MLB because...?

Baseball is just about the most boring sport one can subject oneself too. Curling is faster paced and, more importantly, over sooner.

Re:who? (2)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045545)

How about: As a successful major league baseball player, he's banged more ladies than Captain Kirk.

Re:who? (1)

toriver (11308) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045997)

And as a failed, state-backed video game company executive? Welcome to the world of "what have you done lately, not ages ago".

Re:who? (2)

Mattcelt (454751) | more than 2 years ago | (#40046315)

Curt Schilling: 216 MLB wins
Sean Connery: 007 wins

Fixed.

Schilling. (4, Informative)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044457)

Jesus people.

It's Schilling.

Re:Schilling. (4, Funny)

fdskfs (2642685) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044565)

Hey, it just continues the slashdot trend of calling anyone you don't agree with a shill!

Re:Schilling. (-1, Offtopic)

toadlife (301863) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045769)

Hey, it just continues the slashdot trend of calling anyone you don't agree with a shill!

Says the Facebook IPO shill [slashdot.org] .

Re:Schilling. (-1, Troll)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044663)

Oh noes they spelled some jocks name wrong on slashdot! One that played quite possible the most boring sport this side of curling. I take that back, if you are drunk curling is actually fun, unlike baseball.

Re:Schilling. (1)

seepho (1959226) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044751)

You've clearly never played beer-league softball.

Re:Schilling. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044817)

That might work, I still contend that watching it would be boring though.

Re:Schilling. (1)

seepho (1959226) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044883)

I enjoy it, but my team is bad enough that I usually get drunk and heckle outfielders by the time the game ends. Then again, I also enjoyed watching curling when it was on TV in 2010. Shuster's a bum.

Re:Schilling. (1)

sunderland56 (621843) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044801)

Shill (noun)
2. a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, [...]

So Schilling is a shill. Are you sure the spelling is a mistake? He is, in fact, shilling.

Re:Schilling. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40044893)

It is a different one to the one who creates the best cdrecord application for *NIX (Which the useless Linux community broke when they forked it).

Re:Schilling. (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045635)

Yeah, because derping around with fucking access keys for a CLI utility is such an efficient use of time...

Re:Schilling. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40045957)

Schlax bro

so he bounced a check.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40044473)

...foreclose on the sucker, and sell the shit off. should be a no brainer to me

Re:so he bounced a check.... (3, Informative)

Darth Snowshoe (1434515) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045135)

See that's the problem. He took, how much, $75 million, of the state of Rhode Island's money (as a loan.) And spent it. It's gone. If you seize the company and put it up at auction, all you're going to get is a bunch of scratched-up aeron chairs and three-year-old computers. The state is out the money.

Re:so he bounced a check.... (4, Insightful)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045875)

I honestly don't see the problem here. What was the state of RI doing giving venture capital to a start-up business in the first place? Most new businesses fail, so VC is basically a big gamble; you're hoping the company is going to take off and you, being part-owner, will make a ton of money, the way the Facebook owners have done. Giving a loan to a start-up is utterly stupid, and normally it's only done when the company is going to use it to buy a lot of capital equipment, which of course becomes collateral and the bank can seize in the case of default. You'll never find a bank willing to loan you millions to fund a start-up that doesn't have any significant capital equipment (or probably any start-up at all; it seems to me that most business loans are only given to companies that have already "started up" and are successfully operating, but want to grow and need capital equipment to do that; banks don't like to make loans without collateral).

So again, I fail to see the problem. The people of RI were stupid in giving this company so much (or any) money with no collateral except Aeron chairs, and were stupid to be in the business of angel investing. They deserve to lose their money for their stupidity. Maybe next time they'll do a better job electing leaders. At least the federal government investing in firms like Solyndra makes some kind of sense: Solyndra had tons of capital equipment (you can buy some of it on Ebay right now), and its business was something that seemed to be of genuine national importance (developing alternative energy technology). But a video game company? WTF? Not only is that not important, it's not even something we have a shortage of. There's tons of video game companies out there.

Re:so he bounced a check.... (1)

toriver (11308) | more than 2 years ago | (#40046029)

Because he promised them he would create lots of jobs in the fastest-growing entertainment industry, maybe even making them believe the RI could become the next Austin for game companies.

Re:so he bounced a check.... (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#40046477)

Anyone can make claims like that for almost any business. "We'll create lots of jobs!!" That doesn't mean the government should be funding every harebrained private business venture out there. It makes some sense if the industry, regardless of any jobs it creates, is of strategic national importance (e.g., having viable electric vehicles would greatly reduce or even eliminate our dependence on foreign oil, so even if they were built all by robots it'd be strategically important to the nation and the economy to have this capability). There's nothing remotely of national importance about making video games.

And again, there's no shortage of games or game companies. What's RI going to "invest" in next? Some fast-talker who says he's going to build a new social networking website? Sounds like RI would be dumb enough to pour a bunch of money into that, just because Facebook has been highly successful.

Re:so he bounced a check.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40046335)

The problem is that the deal was done behind closed doors in secret contracts. The "people" of Rhode island had nothing to do with this arrangement, but will be on the hook for it.

Re:so he bounced a check.... (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#40046503)

Doesn't matter; the people behind those closed doors were duly elected by the people of Rhode Island. They're on the hook for their own stupid decisions in the voting booth. Hopefully next time they won't make that mistake again, but I wouldn't be too sure.

Everyone has the government they deserve.

Re:so he bounced a check.... (1)

Darth Snowshoe (1434515) | more than 2 years ago | (#40046473)

> The people of RI were stupid in giving this company so much (or any) money with no collateral
> except Aeron chairs, and were stupid to be in the business of angel investing.

That's a problem if you are one of the people in Rhode Island, or one of the people who Schilling employed (now holding a rubber check), or somebody that extended credit or resources to a (now broke) startup, or even one of the people who bought a great computer game that now has no support or upgrade path. Being stupid is not some kind of big flag that says "come exploit me, I deserve to have bad things happen to me". It's not a game, its people's money and livelihoods.

Maybe what you instead mean to say is "I fail to see the problem -- for me." Or maybe "I have no empathy for anybody that does anything I wouldn't, in hindsight, do."

Re:so he bounced a check.... (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#40046687)

The problem is that people need to be responsible for their actions. Obviously, sometimes bad things happen, and that's why good societies have safety nets, etc., but overall the people of society are responsible, collectively, for choosing their own leadership, which runs the society and makes decisions on their behalf and for their welfare.

If the people of a region are too stupid to pick good leadership, and instead pick incompetent or corrupt leadership, what are you going to do about it? What is your proposed solution for the problem? Eliminate elections and establish a dictatorship, hoping for a benevolent one? Allow some foreign power to invade and take over? Beg for some friendly and intelligent aliens to come run the place?

Sure, it's sad if a whole region full of people are too dumb to pick non-corrupt leadership, but if they do, what can you do about it? Wringing your hands isn't going to help the situation.

Moreover, we in the US have been doing a lot of this stupid stuff lately, and not just in RI. We keep picking horrible leadership. That's our fault, and if we want better leadership, then we need to start making better choices. But these days, I don't think American society is capable of it any more, so we're getting the government we deserve.

So close (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044483)

They should have had a deeper crafting system, and fixed some of the oddities. I would have bought ALL the DLC if they had done that.

Seriously, my smithing is maxed out to 10, and I'm getting bottom rung components when I break up top of the line armor and weapons? It's like I became a smithing god when crafting a weapon, but when it's time to disassemble something, I turn into a three year old with a mallet.

The detection skill was a good idea, though.

Re:So close (1)

PerfectionLost (1004287) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044975)

I thought the demo looked pretty neat. That said, I didn't feel like paying AAA pricing for the game. If it was 40 I would have been all over it while I waited for D3.

Bad Investment --- again (3, Insightful)

cellocgw (617879) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044501)

Is there ever going to be a time when the pols realize that throwing massive tax breaks at corporations is a bad idea for the state/city/country they're supposed to be representing?

And BTW everyone in MA and NY knows about Schilling, the bloody sock, the piano in the lake, and a record-setting choke which led to the end of an 86-year curse.

Re:Bad Investment --- again (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40044661)

Is there ever going to be a time when the pols realize that throwing massive tax breaks at corporations is a bad idea for the state/city/country they're supposed to be representing?

When it starts being a bad idea for them.

Which will be right after we ban lobbying and right before we implement punitive measures for such actions.

Re:Bad Investment --- again (1)

Bigby (659157) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045119)

Tax breaks are fine, when done so in an unbiased manner. However, when they favor a specific corporation, a specific person, or people over corporations, or corporations over people, then you will get circumvention or entities taking advantage of the situation. Simply remove the bias in law.

Re:Bad Investment --- again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40045891)

Tax breaks work, there are countless examples. I'd list some but I'm not quite bored enough...it's intellectually dishonest to claim that they never work when surely you can think of dozens of examples where they have.

Uh Oh (0)

MrVictor (872700) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044503)

Quick, someone tell Curt to auction off his bloody sock!

Re:Uh Oh (1)

Jon_S (15368) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044969)

It was in a display case in cooperstown last time I visited there.

Re:Uh Oh (2)

MrVictor (872700) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045087)

I wonder if he'll pull an OJ and try to break in and steal it.

Kingdom of....what, exactly? (1)

raydobbs (99133) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044545)

Sounds like anyone who avoided their game dodged a serious bullet, and now this is the logical result. Learn the lesson Mr. Shilling - you brought this entirely upon yourself.

Re:Kingdom of....what, exactly? (1)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045823)

Actually, the combat in the game is one of the most fun action-RPG combat systems I've ever played. The story was also fairly interesting, and more mature than most.

I ended up clicking past the dialog like I usually do, because good for a videogame means "absolutely fucking terrible" by literary standards, so I lost the story, and the extremely limited enemy variety (there were about 10 monsters total when you discount reskinnings) meant that the combat, while really, really good, also lost its charm, so I never ended up finishing it, but it was far from a "serious bullet".

All in all though, if you're a videogame person, I'd say it's worth $20 easy just to try out the really neat combat system that they should totally tack onto one of the oodles of games that needs a fun one.

ya (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044667)

I was sympathetic until I got to the Rhode Island loan guarantee.

Which reminds me -- for a proper response I need a popcorn icon. Get with the modern, Slashdot!

Hypocrite (n): (4, Insightful)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044679)

"There can be no question our country is in the worst economic crisis of our lifetimes. I also think there can be no question that it falls on us, the individuals, to find a way out of our own personal crisis." - Curt Schilling

It well and truly stinks that this man was ever allowed within ten feet of public funding in the first place. Even more confusing, though, is that he even pursued public funding in the first place.

It's enough to make one think that he never really believed the anti-gubmit pablum he was spouting in the first place.

Re:Hypocrite (n): (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044747)

Why is that?
All of these anti-government types are like that. They love to suck that government teat and use all the services it provides, when it comes time to pay the tax bill that is when they start to complain.

Re:Hypocrite (n): (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40045715)

It's why "hypocrisy" and "cowardice" are the cornerstones of conservative 'thought' patterns.

Re:Hypocrite (n): (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40044853)

I think if you investigate the facts of this, you will see that you have mischaracterized his stance. Also, RI approached him, not the other way around.

Re:Hypocrite (n): (2)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045121)

From the Wayback Machine [archive.org] :

At a news conference after the board meeting, Schilling said he’s been negotiating exclusively with Rhode Island for the last four months, and denied any intent to play one state off another. “This is a partnership,” he said. Under the terms of the deal, the state will issue $75 million in bonds, which would be purchased by private investors. 38 Studios is responsible for repaying the money, but if it can’t, the state would be responsible.

Regardless of who approached whom, Mr. Shilling was clearly willing to enter into a government-guaranteed loan, and spent several months securing the deal. If I'm mischaracterizing Mr. Shillings' political beliefs, I'm happy to be directed to a more thorough examination of his beliefs.

That said, given Mr. Shilling's political background and positions, I would indeed be surprised to learn he believes that government should take an active role in funding and guaranteeing loans to private enterprise, on principle.

Re:Hypocrite (n): (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40046521)

I believe people shouldn't just give their money to random people for no reason. However, if someone wants to give me money at random for no reason, I won't object. I don't see that as hypocrisy, and I think you have the same position yourself. It's perfectly consistent to say "I believe this activity should be illegal. It's not currently illegal, so I'll engage in it."

the solution (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40044685)

the game needs more niggers.

The real story (5, Insightful)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044687)

Paying companies to relocation is a win for owners a loss for working stiffs. In the best scenario, tax payers in the new community get the benefit of more jobs at the expense of subsidizing millionaires. The old community losts the jobs the new community gains.

In this case, not only did the new community not gain jobs in the long term, but they are now responsible for $100M in loans. Brilliant job.

I like free markets. I have government in bed with big business.

Re:The real story (4, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045155)

An you know what the real irony is here?

Curt Schilling is a full-blown teabagger.

--
BMO

Re:The real story (1)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045579)

Curt Schilling is a full-blown teabagger.

Well, the whole Boston thing made that obvious :)

And yea... people are hypocrites, film at 11:00...

Why is it ironic? (4, Insightful)

publiclurker (952615) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045819)

Teabaggers are normally self important blowhards who expect everyone else to sacrifice for their benefit.

No VC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40044715)

There was a good reason Curt couldn't get any VC funding

But I'm sure Rhode Island Governor Donald Carcieri has a lot of experience funding tech startups...

Re:No VC (1)

Sez Zero (586611) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044977)

But I'm sure Rhode Island Governor Donald Carcieri has a lot of experience funding tech startups...

From TFA:

Chafee opposed the loan guarantee as a candidate for governor.

Re:No VC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40045045)

Current Gov Chafee opposed the loan, but Donald Carcieri was the Gov in 2010 and he pushed for it...

Solved (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40044753)

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/story/2012-05-18/curt-schilling-38-studios-payment/55060556/1

FTA:
Gov. Lincoln Chafee (CHAY'fee) announced on Friday that the check from 38 Studios cleared.

Re:Solved (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40045085)

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/story/2012-05-18/curt-schilling-38-studios-payment/55060556/1

FTA:
Gov. Lincoln Chafee (CHAY'fee) announced on Friday that the check from 38 Studios cleared.

Yes, now Curt is in bed with the Providence mafia. There's only one profession that profits from being in bed with the Providence mafia - and it ain't video games...

Re:Solved (1)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045409)

The Providence Mafia is a pale shadow of what it used to be.

Luigi "Baby Shacks" Manocchio, the head of the mob, got sentenced to 66 months in prison last Friday. He's 84.

Nobody knows what "Baby Shacks" actually means, btw.

All the old ones that more or less knew what they were doing are dying out. The younger ones...not so bright.

--
BMO

Re:Solved (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045937)

All the old ones that more or less knew what they were doing are dying out. The younger ones...not so bright.

That seems to be the case for most of the US population, not just mobsters.

As surprising as a Hollywood divorce (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40044793)

All of us techies living in Mass. saw this coming. You had a sports celebrity non-businessman CEO on one side, and unsophisticated investors on the other who happened to be controlling $75 million of taxpayers' money. The agreement they signed pretty much compelled 38 Studios to build the payroll to an unsustainable level (since the state was trying to hoping to create a local tech industry) and thus burn money as fast as possible. Elementary budgeting and accounting skills were lacking.

For what its worth... (1)

gsgriffin (1195771) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045539)

You would think that some might have learned from the DotCom bubble and not go about it the very same way the Silly Valley did a decade ago. That's my two-Schillings worth.

Re:As surprising as a Hollywood divorce (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045897)

"unsophisticated investors" = dumbfuck jock sniffers.

People who worship jocks deserve to get viciously exploited for being craven fools. The taxpayers get fucked, but they relentlessly vote in people who in a decent society would be broken on the wheel for corruption.

Thank Goodness! (4, Informative)

MogNuts (97512) | more than 2 years ago | (#40044873)

All I can say is good riddance. I'm glad that a shitty game with an even shittier DRM practice is not rewarded. We should be happy about this.

Remember all the hub-bub that KoA was getting about even though it was single player you couldn't get 1/3 the game unless you purchased new? Yet all of a sudden, even though it's average score was a 7, it was getting rave or good comments all over every game sites message board. The astroturfing was so obvious and egregious. And the problem was, it was so prevalent and everywhere people actually genuinely believed it was a good game.

What pissed me off more though is that everyone was carrying torches the day before it was released about the DRM, and then "they just bent over and took it."

So I say good riddances and thank god. Because if that game sold well, you know damn well that would open the floodgates to needing online passes for single player games forever on...consoles!

Ugh.

Re:Thank Goodness! (3, Interesting)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045289)

... and then there was diablo 3.

requires online and unique serial (non transferable) to play single player.

Trust me, the rape never ended.

Re:Thank Goodness! (1)

medv4380 (1604309) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045563)

It was consensual Officer Bill. Last week Jackie came in and asked for KoA gave me money and I game him KoA. This week he came in asked for D3 and gave me money so I gave him D3. There was no rape involved. He actually asked for it. Others begged for it. I'm just their dealer. They know I lace with DRM.

Don't buy it either (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045809)

There are plenty of games that are not like that. While some publishers are trying for that crap, others are not and some are emphatic about not doing it. So buy games that don't do that. IF we vote with our wallets, it will work itself out long term.

Re:Thank Goodness! (0, Flamebait)

Tharkkun (2605613) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045699)

All I can say is good riddance. I'm glad that a shitty game with an even shittier DRM practice is not rewarded. We should be happy about this.

Remember all the hub-bub that KoA was getting about even though it was single player you couldn't get 1/3 the game unless you purchased new? Yet all of a sudden, even though it's average score was a 7, it was getting rave or good comments all over every game sites message board. The astroturfing was so obvious and egregious. And the problem was, it was so prevalent and everywhere people actually genuinely believed it was a good game.

What pissed me off more though is that everyone was carrying torches the day before it was released about the DRM, and then "they just bent over and took it."

So I say good riddances and thank god. Because if that game sold well, you know damn well that would open the floodgates to needing online passes for single player games forever on...consoles!

Ugh.

Koa was an absolutely amazing game. The extra content was bound to a cd-key so present reselling used games. If you think resellers should be able to purchase used games for 10$, re-price them for $30-40 and take in double the profit compared to brand new game you're insane. I'd be pissed also if I was a publisher because you're dipping twice into the profits. Diablo 3. Not DRM. It's a online only game, period. Whether you make your session public or private is up to you but the game is played online. This was mad very clear over a year ago. DRM is designed to stop piracy. Always online is there to combat hackers and keep the Real Money Auction House legit. If you really think it's about piracy then you're delusional. Always online is going to become more and more common so you better suck it up now.

Re:Thank Goodness! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40045893)

Yes, I don't see how anyone that likes action RPGs and actually played the game for a bit wouldn't love it (or at least like it a lot). It has a massive world and has wicked fun game play, alchemy, weapon crafting etc..

Re:Thank Goodness! (2)

HapSlappy_2222 (1089149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045933)

If you think resellers should be able to purchase used games for 10$, re-price them for $30-40 and take in double the profit compared to brand new game you're insane.

Uh, yeah.... then I'm insane. Or, at least, have an insane desire to be able to sell old stuff I don't use; perhaps on Craigslist or for store credit at a Gamestop clone. Whatever; it's my item, so it's my rules.

Or, are YOU insane for thinking it's ok for products to be purchased once, and from that point on have absolutely zero (not depreciated... but ZERO) monetary value? Hmm. If I bought a lawnmower, but then moved to a place without grass, I guess I'd still be insane for wanting to sell my lawn mower to a store that re-sells used lawn mowers, yeah?

Re:Thank Goodness! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40045833)

I'm not a fan of the DRM crap either, but lets be fair here. The pass they included wasn't for 1/3 of KoA, it was for a short quest line that took maybe 2-3hours to complete. It was nothing really special or essential for the main story of the game. I wasn't happy about it, and I certainly wouldn't have bought the game had I known they were doing it, but lets not accuse them of preventing used game buyers from finishing the game just yet.

As for KoA itself, I actually thought it was pretty good. Kind of like Fable, except way longer with a bunch more weapons. The main issue is that it was released fairly close to other high profile games. Lets be honest here, if you only had enough time/money for either Skyrim or KoA which would you choose? I think the sales numbers speak for themselves.

Re:Thank Goodness! (1)

Nixoloco (675549) | more than 2 years ago | (#40046011)

I'm not a fan of the DRM crap either, but lets be fair here. The pass they included wasn't for 1/3 of KoA, it was for a short quest line that took maybe 2-3hours to complete. It was nothing really special or essential for the main story of the game. I wasn't happy about it, and I certainly wouldn't have bought the game had I known they were doing it, but lets not accuse them of preventing used game buyers from finishing the game just yet. As for KoA itself, I actually thought it was pretty good. Kind of like Fable, except way longer with a bunch more weapons. The main issue is that it was released fairly close to other high profile games. Lets be honest here, if you only had enough time/money for either Skyrim or KoA which would you choose? I think the sales numbers speak for themselves.

I agree with you, except I don't like the gameplay in the Elder series. KoA has amazing game play and movement. It actually feels like an action game. The world is just so massive, that one locked quest (House of Valor) is miniscule. As you say, it isn't part of the main story line and it is far from 1/3. There are 100s of quests in the game.

Re:Thank Goodness! (1)

Nixoloco (675549) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045855)

All I can say is good riddance. I'm glad that a shitty game with an even shittier DRM practice is not rewarded. We should be happy about this.

Have you actually even played Kingdoms of Amalur or are just ranting because of some stuff you read on the Internet? I have spent many hours playing and absolutely love it. It is quite the opposite of a "shitty" game.

I played the console version, so I can't really speak of the DRM. It doesn't seem to have any more than any other console game. There is one quest (House of Valor) that is unlocked with a key you get when you buy it new, but you can get it as DLC. I bought it used for pretty cheap. Loved the game so much I didn't mind paying a bit for the one quest. The game has such a massive world that it is worth it and the action game play is fantastic. IMHO far superior game play than the Elder series. Then they released two new DLCs which are also massive new areas to explore and worth the cost to purchase.

Re:Thank Goodness! (1)

beerdragoon (1142579) | more than 2 years ago | (#40046513)

I'm all for bashing KoA because of the DRM, but a lot of people (myself included) actually liked the game. It has excellent action RPG combat and a gigantic world to explore with hundreds of quests to complete. Yes, the average rating [gamerankings.com] wasn't in the 90% range, but most of the reviews were legitimately decent. If it weren't for the dick move on the DRM, I think a lot of people here might actually like this game.

Bailout hypocrisy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40044957)

spouting out unneeded advice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40045033)

He should be focusing on his business instead spouting out unneeded advice on running the Red Sox.

The taxpayers have to cover interest on the loans? (1)

artfulshrapnel (1893096) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045551)

I'm a little unclear on why so much. Only $50mil in loans have been paid out, but most articles suggest that taxpayers would be on the hook for both the loan AND the interest. Isn't the loan *from* the taxpayers? I understand that the budget might be $100mil *short* of its intended level as a result, but the taxpayers should only really be down the $50mil in cash that they've actually paid out.

Can someone with a better understanding of this kind of economics explain?

As a RI'er (1)

kilodelta (843627) | more than 2 years ago | (#40045887)

This pisses me off to no end. I'm not a big fan of Bob Watson but I agree - I think former Governor Carcieri was starstruck and pushed this deal through.

And how curious - I wrote a blog post with a pro forma estimate of how much they should have burned through using 20 employees as my benchmark. It's been in operation for about a year now, and they did make $60 million on that game, probably half that was profit So Schilling got his $30 million investment back. But then there's the matter that of the $75 million, even at the 150 actual employees, they would only have spent about $40 million. So there is something going on here and Schilling should be on the fucking hook for this.

Mark my words, 38 Studios will fold. And Schilling will come out smelling like a rose. Meanwhile the State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations will get left holding the bag, and we the tax payers will be each saddled with $100+ of tax increase to cover this ludicrously bad investment.

They asked for it. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40045917)

Their first release is "Every Other Action RPG Ever Made". It's nothing new. It's Every Other Action RPG Ever Made. It's a 5 or a 6 on a ten-scale.

Ok, so you're Curt Schilling with your shovelware of a game, and you're gonna have EA publish the thing. EA, the most hated game publishing company of all time. AND you're gonna have the sack to ask for $59.99? On a title developed by a company nobody's heard of that's run by a bored baseball player? AND you're gonna deploy DRM? AND you're gonna play the retarded EA DLC / content lock games with us? With all the preorder bonus / Mass Effect 3 cross promotion trimmings? On your first time out? ON YOUR FIRST FUCKING TIME OUT, CURT?

It's not like 38 was some kickass company that sold out to a major publisher and got shittier and shittier over time. They drank the asshole sellout money-grab who-cares koolaid from day one, and they weren't shy about it.

It's like they purposefully exited the race gate, cut across 5 running lanes, made a mad dash off the track for the gamer killing grounds, only to shoulder-check Bioware off the chopping block, and look up at the executioner screaming "Me! Me Next! No, Me! My turn!".

Well, okay then. If you insist. Chop, motherfucker. Just don't have the audacity to suddenly look confused and try to scream "PIRACY!" before the blade drops.

Nice Job 38 Studios... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40045959)

Thanks for fucking up Rhode Island's economy.

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