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Aero Glass UI No More On Windows 8

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the zombie-nextstep-will-eat-your-ui dept.

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New submitter closer2it writes with news of interface changes in Windows 8. From the article: "Microsoft has revealed that it has made some big changes to its desktop UI for Windows 8, which includes moving away from Aero Glass — the UI first introduced with Vista. According to the company, this means visual changes that include 'flattening surfaces, removing reflections, and scaling back distracting gradients.' Despite all of these changes with the interface, the company doesn't appear to be worried about the issue of 'learnability.' Instead, Microsoft believes that with a little help it won't take long for users to adapt to the new operating system."

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Less eye candy (5, Funny)

gagol (583737) | more than 2 years ago | (#40050971)

more walled garden... still not enough to make me leave my Linux freedom that I enjoy so much.

Re:Less eye candy (1)

Junta (36770) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051009)

At least they scaled back the window borders a tad, I thought the borders were unforgiveably large.

However, the window borders still look pretty gigantic compared to other platforms. At least the Aero look helped mitigate the borders by making them translucent, though that wasn't much of a comfort.

Re:Less eye candy (1)

wh1pp3t (1286918) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051033)

At least they scaled back the window borders a tad, I thought the borders were unforgiveably large.

However, the window borders still look pretty gigantic compared to other platforms.

I forget exactly where to do it since I've gone back to Windows 7 -- but I believe if you change the font size (in windows appearance options) to normal (100%), the borders and buttons will follow to a normal size. The default out of box was 125% IIRC.

Re:Less eye candy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051307)

Incorrect. The default is 100%.

Re:Less eye candy (5, Informative)

maitai (46370) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051065)

There's an option in Windows to adjust the border width (it defaults to 4 but can be lowered all the way to 0).

Appearance -> Window Color -> Advanced appearance settings.. -> Border padding

Re:Less eye candy (2)

kpainter (901021) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051143)

There's an option in Windows to adjust the border width (it defaults to 4 but can be lowered all the way to 0).

Appearance -> Window Color -> Advanced appearance settings.. -> Border padding

Control Panel->Appearance and Personalization->Personalization->Window Color and Appearance->Advanced appearance settings.. -> Border Padding Default was 5 on my machine

Microsoft Pledges (5, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051209)

To sell more Macs.

Re:Microsoft Pledges (5, Funny)

cjb658 (1235986) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051349)

To sell more Macs.

FTA: "It won't take users long to adapt to a new operating system.

Re:Less eye candy (1)

Canazza (1428553) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051245)

Or you could could select "Windows 7 Basic" theme and get what pretty much amounts to the Windows 8 theme. It's what I use all the time on Windows 7. I just think it's alot nicer. It has the best bits of the classic interface with the new features of Aero.
The screenshots of the Windows 8 interface don't seem to have the rounded corners of 7 (Aero or basic) but do seem to have the right-on-the-edge title bar buttons of Aero (that basic omits)
Win8 looks like something between Aero and Basic, I wonder if they'll dump Basic entirely.

Re:Less eye candy (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051393)

Or you could could select "Windows 7 Basic" theme and get what pretty much amounts to the Windows 8 theme. It's what I use all the time on Windows 7. I just think it's alot nicer. It has the best bits of the classic interface with the new features of Aero.

You lose Aero Peek. That's one of the few features of Glass I actually care about it, the shiny gradient crap can get lost.

Re: Obligatory (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051309)

Hey! How do I make a sandwich?

Go to Control Panel->Food and Beverages->Food->Common Food->Snacks->Sandwich->Sandwich options and enable cheese, ham, lettuce and mustard. Then execute Applications->Food and Beverages->Food->Common Food->Snacks->Make Sandwhich !

Meanwhile in a smarter world:

Hey! How do I make a sandwich?

make sandwich -Icheese -Iham -Ilettuce -lmustard

Re:Less eye candy (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051285)

There's an option in Windows to adjust the border width (it defaults to 4 but can be lowered all the way to 0).

Appearance -> Window Color -> Advanced appearance settings.. -> Border padding

Shush now....you're making sense. You can't do that if you use Windows!

Just jump on the hate wagon, and ignore the fact that Linux(in terms of real freedom) is just as compromised by the US Govt. as any other OS.
Ignore the fact that the collective Linux UIs still look 20 years old(unless they look just like Win Aero-I'm looking at you KDE, oh and I can point to elements in Unity that mimick shit I have from pics of 1970's nightclub signs).

Look I hate M$ as much as any Linux fanboy....I'm just not willing to call a duck anything other than a duck, even if I'm partial to geese.
So far, the elephant in the room, is that Aero was the most advanced 'looking' UI to date. It is clean for the most part, feels bright, and rarely, if ever, gets in the way as much as I've heard so many complain about. When it does, it's usually some clueless application developer that thinks he knows better than M$, breaks with convention, and ends up creating more problems in the long run. I'm looking DIRECTLY at you Adobe!

Either way, the M$ argument for dumbing down UIs to 20 years ago, is lame. Not once have I ever been 'distracted' by a UI element unless it ceased to function properly(yeah KDE, staring at you, M$ Ribbon-you too). I would fault M$ for not coming up with a better way to manage the desktop for the last ten+ years. Their answer now? Ditch it as the most used UI element.

It's still there, but now they hope to force users to learn to lose it's overall workflow. All this......all this UI change crap, was never needed by Desktops, Laptops, or Servers. Nobody was clamoring for it en masse, and I swear it's the reverse knee-jerk reaction that AMD had over netbook chips not being ready. Tablets needed this, that's all. The whole damned OS changes due to a niche product. This is what hype gets you.

Where the functional limits of the device are more important than designing a UI that's ergonomic to all platforms. (DO NOT let me hear whining about the cost involved...they can suck it up with spades and not notice.)

While I will agree, Windows on tablets sucked badly....such a massive restructuring of the core OS was not necessary, and will end up hurting them in the long run.

All of this said....many of the new features in W8 are welcome additions, and I know they will never be backported to 7, so the wait is on, to see how well it does....and how well folks learn to hack Aero back in for those that realize change for change sake is no excuse to "shift a paradigm". Forgive me, I know, the biggest bullshit phrase in business, their words, not mine.

Re:Less eye candy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051409)

*squints eyes*

can't tell if you're a complete idiot or just a really great example of Poe's Law [wikipedia.org]

Re:Less eye candy (1)

Shavano (2541114) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051275)

Aero glass is nonfunctional eye candy. I just turn it off.

Re:Less eye candy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051059)

the linux freedom of not using software (lol)lol)lol)lol)

Re:Less eye candy (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051273)

I don't see this as less eye candy, but just a change in style. In terms of User Interfaces you have an Uncanny Valley type effect going on. you can only make it seem to life like until people start to react negatively to it. Microsoft with on Vista and Windows 7 probably reached that limit. So in the new UI, they are cutting back and making things more abstract.
But if you pay careful attention in windows 8 you can see a lot of eye candy going on, I had installed the Customer Preview there are a lot of effects going on but they are not designed to be as showy as before, but seem to have more of purpose.

Re:Less eye candy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051297)

it comes with a free xbox

Re:Less eye candy (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051345)

The xbox is also cursed.

They got it all wrong (5, Funny)

kakaburra (2508064) | more than 2 years ago | (#40050983)

The start button seems to be missing

Re:They got it all wrong (2, Insightful)

gagol (583737) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051011)

I believe you have to the windows key or send your mouse pointer to the lower left corner of your screen to bring it up. Hiding everything and let the clueless user guess what to do is the next step in computer usability evolution, or the latest mistake of the 800 pounds gorilla. Anyone knows how long gorillas live?

Re:They got it all wrong (4, Insightful)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051029)

If I have to guess what to do, the GUI lost its purpose. May as well just go back to DOS

Re:They got it all wrong (0, Troll)

Brian Feldman (350) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051239)

It's not called guessing -- it is called LEARNING. Or did you just magically know COPY/MOVE/RENAME/MD/CD/C:/B:/whatever commands? Ridiculous.

Re:They got it all wrong (3, Informative)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051269)

I believe the point is that GUIs no longer provide an advantage. The first rule of good GUI design is that good interfaces are intuitive—i.e., learning is minimal and discoverability is maximized. There are only a few circumstances under which this rule should be broken, like a safety-critical system where mistakes and assumptions are dangerous.

Re:They got it all wrong (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051315)

It's not called guessing -- it is called LEARNING. Or did you just magically know COPY/MOVE/RENAME/MD/CD/C:/B:/whatever commands? Ridiculous.

Which is something the GUI was supposed to do away with. i.e. you never need to remember commands since you can just find what you want by seeing all the available options displayed in front of you.

The CLI never pretended to be discoverable, GUIs have always claimed that. The problem is that it's becoming unfocused, the CLI knows what it is, GUIs seem to be forgetting why they exist.

Re:They got it all wrong (1)

Brian Feldman (350) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051437)

No, your available options are actually NOT displayed in front of you. In GUI software there are deep hierarchical menus, keyboard commands, drag-and-drop, hybrid input-output widgets, additional actions for different mouse buttons and the mouse wheel... It's not some simple box full of buttons you can click, emulating an ancient computer operator panel. The GUI is neither simple nor intuitive: it just IS. Like the CLI.

Re:They got it all wrong (4, Insightful)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051339)

If there is a learning curve using a GUI, I'm telling you, you are doing it wrong. Even when something isn't flat out obvious, in your face, my grandma should be able to say "If I had to guess how I would do this, I'd do it this way..." and be right most of the time.

Re:They got it all wrong (2)

Brian Feldman (350) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051403)

You only work with trivial software if you have formulated that opinion from your software experience. Intuition is not even remotely a universally-shared notion. This is why there are manuals and why training exists.

Re:They got it all wrong (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051257)

If I have to guess what to do, the GUI lost its purpose. May as well just go back to DOS

The purpose of the GUI is to keep UX designers employed. The year 24-bit color becomes standard, XP's Fisher-price look is "needed" to make that boring and stodgy NT/2K look go away. The year 3d graphics appears on commodity hardware, Aero is "needed" to make that "childish" XP look go away. The year touchscreens come out, Metro is "needed" to make that "distracting" 3D glossy look go away.

Same sorta deal with Firefox - a few years ago, a browser with lots of options and user control was a good thing. Now it's "distracting" and even the status bar and the name of the communications protocol in the title bar needs to go away to make it "clean".

It's not UX design, it's fashion design. Bunch of artistes wanking away on Photoshop trying to out-trendify each other. It's an utter waste of computing resources, and I'm sick of it.

Re:They got it all wrong (-1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051363)

You're right. Also they should still make cars that look like the Model T. Whats the point of these new fangled designs for cars?

Re:They got it all wrong (5, Interesting)

Fishead (658061) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051427)

If I could buy a car today with no features, minimal upholstery, nothing more than a chassis, powertrain, and seat... available in flat black paint... I'd buy one so fast your head would spin.

Re:They got it all wrong (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051375)

The only reason you think the start button is obvious and intuitive us because you've been using it for 17 years. Microsoft tried an office start button in 2007 and no one understood it was an actual clicks le button, since they e never seen it before. By removing the button, and instead using a hot corner, Microsoft made the interface MORE useful in my opinion. First, they removed a click, making a two step process into one. Then, they made the button infinite size for greater targetability according to fitts law. Once you discover how to use it, its a much better option.

Re:They got it all wrong (0)

drwhat99 (2596325) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051085)

People complained in Windows95 that the Shutdown feature was under the Start menu. That it didn't make any sense. But you know what? They learned. I suspect people who are so upset (or are at least jumping on the "I'm cool because I think I know better than Microsoft" bandwagon) by this lack of the old start orb would have been horrified by the invention of the double click - it's certainly not 100% obvious and it's something you need to discover or be trained to do, but it's a great way to use a UI and I wouldn't have it any other way. The double click is discoverable (keep clicking), just as the shutdown under Start button (it's the first thing you see under the start menu), and the new Metro start screen (keep moving the mouse around until you find the hot spot.)

The truly clueless user is better off in Windows 8 than any previous version of Windows and Mac OS. The larger learning curve (which is not even remotely large at all) is for existing users of Windows.

I got used to the new UI in about 15 minutes, and from what I can tell it's faster than any of my old ways of launching stuff.

Re:They got it all wrong (1)

hobarrera (2008506) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051453)

Nope, the windows key shows the metro screen, at least by default in the current preview.

Re:They got it all wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051027)

It's still there, you just have to move your mouse at the bottom left of the screen. Metro replaced it.

Re:They got it all wrong (2)

bejiitas_wrath (825021) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051031)

The vistart addon for Windows 8 will fix that. It still allows access to Metro as well. http://lee-soft.com/vistart/ [lee-soft.com] .

Re:They got it all wrong (1)

enginear81 (2643075) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051141)

...ya, start button is slow

Oblig. car analogy (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051005)

Yes, it was tiring that all the car designers seemed to be copying each other when it came to body shapes for sedans, with the rounded "aero" corners and indented "soapdish" transoms.

But if you look at an old car from the '80s or early '90s, with its boxy shape, it just looks really out of date.

Re:Oblig. car analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051193)

I want a car that can change shape [wikipedia.org] so I can transform from the horrid Metro interface into something more work-friendly.

Relearn an OS? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051007)

Instead, Microsoft believes that with a little help it won't take long for users to adapt to the new operating system.

I finally agree with Microsoft on this one. They are correct, with only a little help it won't take long for users to adapt to a new OS such as MacOSX or Linux! Glad they finally are admitting it.

The only reason anyone stuck with Windows was the backwards compatibility and all the software available and that people have already invested in. Seems they are working pretty hard to remove as much of that as they can from Win8, which lowers the reasons to use it from 1 to 0 for a large number of people.

Re:Relearn an OS? (2, Insightful)

Hyperhaplo (575219) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051109)

This.

Windows 7 is killing the platform for me. Yes, I can see how there are various improvements.. which is good, but this price to pay for them is terrible.

So far as I can tell, Windows 7 is just XP with some extra features and some bug fixes. Pity that they still haven't bought out Teracopy. It is extremely annoying for some things which are now crippled. I can't imagine putting up with this in Windows 8. The only reason I persist is because it is easier, on this machine, to leave W7 installed. Linux Mint dual boot now. Windows only stays due to old programs.

As you say, the day of ubiquitous VM software will probably spell the end of Windows.

Re:Relearn an OS? (3, Informative)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051223)

The biggest improvement in Windows 7 (or rather Vista) is the sudo-like interface for running things that require elevated permissions. It is much better than the su-like interface in Windows XP which doesn't always work, or having to log out and log in as administrator.

Re:Relearn an OS? (1)

Nemyst (1383049) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051271)

If you'd bothered reading *anything* about Windows 8, you'd have noticed that they have a dramatically improved file copy/move dialog, in many ways superior to TeraCopy. But hey, keep on whining.

Re:Relearn an OS? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051301)

It's windows advocates like you that feel the need to insult that had driven me away from even considering windows anymore.

Re:Relearn an OS? (1)

Linknoid (46137) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051279)

What stuff is now broken? I'm just curious. I just upgraded from XP to Windows 7 (new computer) last week, and the only thing I've found actually broken is the audio won't send to multiple devices at once (headphones/spdif). Are there other things broken that are less obvious?

Re:Relearn an OS? (2)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051327)

It is much much more than just bug fixes. First you have DirectX 10/11. Then you have things being able to access a mapped drive from a different user (this really helps when logged in as myself, but run an admin backup script). I have games some wonderful windows games that work now, that would never work on anything but Windows 95, with REAL hardware of the era. GDI is hardware accelerated. You can boot straight to a VHD. I could go on and on, but I am satisfied with my point.

Re:Relearn an OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051205)

They are not removing any backwards compatibility. MATALB, Illustrator, Endnote, Office, everything works perfectly fine on windows 8. The changes to windows 8 are mostly superficial. Metro is optional, I almost never see it. You only see it when you first start the computer. Then, I stay in desktop mode the whole time, hibernating the computer when I'm not using it. It can stay like that for weeks before you need to restart for an update or something. Just use ViStart so that you don't actually keep triggering Metro. In desktop mode, Windows 8 is basically Windows 7 Second Edition. It's much nicer than the first edition.

Re:Relearn an OS? (1)

chesterVonWinchester (2051198) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051337)

People are "stuck" because they have a tendency to continue to use that which they're familiar. Unfortunately, they've grown familiar with windows because countless computer labs, libraries, etc... are filled with windows machines.

Windows classic interface? (2)

bejiitas_wrath (825021) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051017)

Windows 8 might be worth using if it had the Windows classic interface with the Windows 2000 look, the Metro abomination is a shovel digging the grave of Win 8. Like Ubuntu dumping Gnome 2.32.2 and adopting Unity in 11.04. You just drive users away. I just installed Windows 7 in a Virtualbox instance and the Windows classic interface is the only one I can stand.

Re:Windows classic interface? (0, Flamebait)

santosh.k83 (2442182) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051037)

You underestimate the resilience of the masses to abuse. The sheep won't leave their pasture no matter how much they are beat and sheared...

Re:Windows classic interface? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051179)

The sheep wont. But their tech support people will. And once they start repeating the magic words "i don't work on metro". Suddenly alot of people will take a second or 15th look at linux/mac. Or go back to windows 7.

Re:Windows classic interface? (1)

ilsaloving (1534307) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051365)

Except they won't. They'll just go to a tech support person who WILL work with them. The ones who refuse to adapt will have gradually less clients, until finally they either realize that their steadfast stubbornness is not economically viable and so change, or crash and burn.

Re:Windows classic interface? (4, Insightful)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051241)

You underestimate the resilience of the masses to abuse. The sheep won't leave their pasture no matter how much they are beat and sheared...

Yes, but do bear in mind that "that pasture" they want to stay in can extend to *specific* versions of Windows. The great mass of Windows XP users didn't jump to Windows Vista when MS would have liked them to (admittedly that was because Vista was shite) and it was only some time after the launch of Windows 7 that they started to seriously move away, around 10 years after XP first came out.

Re:Windows classic interface? (0)

hobarrera (2008506) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051491)

You deserve a medal for that. I've never seen so much truth so elegantly put to works.
Not only is that, but it's also exactly 140 characters long! :)

Re:Windows classic interface? (2)

gagol (583737) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051041)

I love Ubuntu but hate this Unity nonsense, I am now using Xubuntu and could not be happier. Diversity is good!

Re:Windows classic interface? (1)

Gozzin (2125020) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051093)

I love Ubuntu but hate this Unity nonsense, I am now using Xubuntu and could not be happier. Diversity is good!

Same here...I'd hate the new Windows gui as well... Looking at Xubuntu or Mint for my next os.

Re:Windows classic interface? (0)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051173)

I recommend taking a look at openSUSE, too. It gives a very responsive classic Windows-style UI with lots of configurability.

User adaptation? Really? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051023)

If they so badly want users to adapt to a new OS, then those users might as well switch to Linux and adapt to something good.

The user is getting f**ked by unfamiliar territory either way. This would be the most perfect opportunity so far to break out of the Windows cycle and dependence.

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, again.. (0)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051043)

Here's the workflow they should have done:

1) Start with Metro-driven login screen.
2) Show the user a panorama of Metro for a minute and ask "do you want this or the traditional windows experience on start up?"
3) If they want classic, login takes them back into the desktop like they're used to.
4) In classic, the effin start menu works like it did in Windows 7.
5) Metro apps can be launched seamlessly from explorer with Windows shifting effortlessly back and forth between metro for metro apps and explorer for everything else.
6) Windows key + tab shifts between the two environments like alt-tab between windows in explorer.

Microsoft's only hope in fighting Apple in the integrated PC/tablet/phone market is to make Windows be more open and more "whatever you want is cool with us." That means they should be planning RIGHT NOW how to make Windows on PC behave in a totally laissez faire fashion in UI and have a touch UI system for traditional Windows apps so that businesses that don't like Metro can recompile for ARM.

Re:Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, agai (1)

Gozzin (2125020) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051105)

Here's the workflow they should have done:

1) Start with Metro-driven login screen. 2) Show the user a panorama of Metro for a minute and ask "do you want this or the traditional windows experience on start up?" .

Yup..Ubuntu should have done the same thing,but noooooo.

Re:Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, agai (1, Interesting)

bondsbw (888959) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051149)

I like Windows 8. I'm typing this post from my laptop with Windows 8 CP, and I have little problem with it. In Windows 7, the start menu makes me click on two buttons and scroll a list, then click another folder and click an icon. In Windows 8, the start screen has large buttons that are easier to hit with a mouse (better for Fitts' law). The Metro-style apps help focus, and the snap view feature helps multitask. Most of the Windows desktop applications have been revamped in a good way. The startup time has improved considerably, and the whole OS seems a bit faster.

While not surprising, it is quite annoying that every post on the internet about changing something in Windows is met with hatred and fear. Get over it, you figured out how to use Windows 95 after the "abomination" of replacing Program Manager. You figured out how to use XP with its colorful toy interface. You figured out that Aero wasn't going to drain all the performance of your computer and slow it to a grinding halt. And now you're going to figure out that really smart geeks knew what they are doing when they put a lot of thought into the design of the Windows 8 UI.

(Not to say that I like everything in Windows 8... for instance, I put my taskbar on the left, so now my Windows 7 work computer has the start button in the upper left, and my Windows 8 laptop activates the start screen from the lower left. The split-thumb keyboard on the tablet interface really needs work. And I am a bit pissed that Microsoft put the snap view cutoff at 1366 px wide, when my laptop display can only do 1280.)

Re:Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, agai (-1, Offtopic)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051215)

>modded offtopic

Explain this, motherfuckers.

I see the Windows Shills have started using their mod points.

Mod this one down too, guys.

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BMO

If they want 'classic' (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051321)

That sounds good on paper, but it takes resources to develop the 'classic' interface.

Now, while i don't agree with changes for the sake of change, they did make the decision to go in another direction and there really isn't a need to keep spending money on legacy.

Legacy support is part of Microsoft's problem that has held them back. But to be fair, if you leave existing platforms in the dust every time you come out with new product, you wont have customers for long.. I am still surprised that Apple pulled it off with the 86k to PPC and then again with PPC to intel.. We bitched and moaned at first but did adapt.

Not news (4, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051055)

This isn't even news for nerds. Nerds have already been using the Developer and Consumer Previews and await the first beta, like me.

Flattening of window widgets is not news. It's not even a story.

And a link to the MSDN blog that discusses the entire history of Windows from 1.0 to 8 to justify the shenanigans in 8? Come the hell on. The Windows "defenders" here already do that in the comments. I can't even imagine the flood of grievances filed with the MWSU.

The story is Metro. The story is how maddening Metro is going to be to the vast majority of desktop users when you can't turn it off. The story is about how Microsoft thinks they've found the holy grail of a "one interface for all devices" when it's self-delusion, again. The story is how you and I and every other nerd on the planet is going to have to answer dumb questions about Metro just to be polite. Repeatedly. Until Windows 9.

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BMO

Re:Not news (1)

Relayman (1068986) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051191)

Mod parent up. I can even load Windows 8 on my Mac with Parallels.

At least Microsoft is just not copying Mac. I have to give them credit for that.

Re:Not news (1)

Nemyst (1383049) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051283)

Which is a shame, really, because outside of Metro Windows 8 has a few nifty additions that I wouldn't mind having.

Nah, we'll just bypass it (5, Interesting)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051319)

If they keep Metro as The One UI to Rule Them All, as it seems they wish to, my strategy at work will be twofold:

1) Don't roll out Windows 8. 7 has support until 2020, there's plenty of time. We'll stay on 7, and we'll make sure to let the MS rep know why.

2) In cases where we need/want 8 get a UI mod to make 8 look like 7. Someone will have what we need, probably Stardock. They already have a start button restorer (http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/) and given that UI customization is their big market, I imagine they'll develop a suite of tools that'll make 8 act like 7 to whatever degree you desire.

So that's my plan. If people want to use Metro they'll be allowed, of course, but I'm not going to be doing any hand holding on it. Anyone who says "I don't like this can I have the old way back," will be accommodated.

I just think it is funny that MS doesn't seem to realize they are going to create another XP, meaning an OS that people don't want to move off of. XP wasn't all their fault, it was just the first real solid version of Windows most people had used (the first NT based OS for home users), Vista had teething problems initially due to very lazy-ass driver development from many manufacturers, and there was a big smear campaign against it (to the point I'll see people at work say that Vista sucks and they like 7... working on a Vista machine, they don't even know what it is, they just know it is bad, so they think they are on 7).

Well this time they'll do it again with 7, but it'll be all their fault. They have a good OS that people were happy with the upgrade to. If they release one that people don't like, they'll get stuck in the mentality of "7 is the only good OS, I won't upgrade."

That's the part I'm going to be annoyed about. Not 8, but in 2018 when 9 or 10 is the thing and it is a good OS, trying to convince people that yes, there is a new good one and you need to move to it before support expires.

Vista (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051067)

Cause that worked with vista. It seems like every time Microsoft has a successful launch they ignore all their lessons learned in the next release. I wouldn't be surprised if windows 8 has driver issues and is certified for under performing systems.

Omg, please bring back a 'start' button! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051081)

I cannot believe that they still left that startbutton out. It will be a disaster for people picking up windows 8 for the first time. And no, a 'first boot' help screen still will not help! This is mystery meat UI!
http://reverttosaved.com/2012/03/14/mystery-meat-ui-design-in-windows-8-ios-and-os-x-could-point-to-a-confusing-computing-future/

Stop fiddling with the GUI (5, Insightful)

Karmashock (2415832) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051091)

The windows OS was largely similar from Windows 3.1 to Vista. Stop toying with it. I think it's find to have these as optional or even the default GUI if people really want it. But some of us have been using the windows GUI for ages and it's frankly not appreciated when things are moved around.

We know where all the buttons and features are supposed to be guys. There is no other place you can put them that will be better.

Every new version of windows is like some guy randomly coming into your kitchen and reorganizing everything only to leave a little message behind saying "I fixed your kitchen, you're welcome.".... Well great... I can't find the maynanese... my spice rack is completely out of order... and there are about a hundred things that i have to patiently remove from whatever stupid location they were put and put them back where I want them.

What? I can't move it there because you outright removed cabinets and installed totally different appliances? I had that experience in Windows 7 where they took away the ability to sort folders manually. Happily I found a registry hack that added the feature back into the system.

This is obnoxious Microsoft. And beyond that, we've lost compatibilty with most of the old dos apps in the 64 bit version of windows. There's no good reason for that since dos was already being emulated. You can't tell me that you can't emulate a 16 bit environment in a 64 bit environment when there are a dozen dos emulators on the market that will do just that. Of course, most of them are designed for games and so don't work with networked printers or any of the other fun stuff that we've been counting on for YEARS.

Seriously Microsoft. You're killing it. Your selling point forever has been standards and backward compatibility.

I can over look a lot of nonsense if you just give me an updated version of the same thing. I don't use windows to be wowed by the GUI graphics. I use windows because that's how I launch the programs and manage the files that I ACTUALLY care about. Changing everything around randomly is not helpful. Stop doing it. At the very least, at least provide some buried Classic mode somewhere in the system.

I'm tired of New Coke Windows. No one stick with you because you're innovative. We stick with you because you're consistent.

Re:Stop fiddling with the GUI (1)

jader3rd (2222716) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051157)

in Windows 7 where they took away the ability to sort folders manually

Ummm, what? What exactly are you describing by sorting folders manually? I've never had any problem with Explorer sorting the contents of a directory based off of any attribute the files may have. And what do you mean by manually? Computers are phenomenal at sorting, why would you not have the computer do the sorting?

Re:Stop fiddling with the GUI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051419)

Take my current My Pictures folder. It'd be great to have the subfolders organized "Photos, My Pics, DL, Wallpaper" but I'm stuck with "DL, My Pics, Photos, Wallpaper" since I can't rearrange them. I could use the "tag" sort but then I wouldn't see the folders (each of these except Wallpaper has several dozen subfolders), which defeats the point, plus I'd have to go through and tag several thousand images.

Re:Stop fiddling with the GUI (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051201)

Slashdot needs a "LIKE" button. ;)

I totally agree with your analogy of rearranging the kitchen, spice rack, etc... when MS does this with each new iteration of Windows, it drives me freaking NUTS!

Re:Stop fiddling with the GUI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051203)

I'm really annoyed by the ribbon bar on Office 2010, which I hear is being copied by some free software projects. Now I can't find any feature without doing a Google search.

I heard the complaints and thought I might like it, maybe the complainers were old users set in their ways. No, they were right.

In your face OS (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051097)

I shudder to think how a typical employee will use an OS that has such an in-your-face look.The icon boxes in The Metro (rhymes with the Matrix) look huge, perfect for a small device or a huge TV that you view from 10 feet away. But for a desktop that sits an arm at most from the user? Perfect for the boss to look over that naughty FB notification that just came in.

On the other hand, if The Metro is a mere option, then what is all the fuss about? It would have been better if Miscrosoft simply targeted the tablet market with a pure tablet OS, and left the already successful Win 7 for the desktop.

Everything old is new again (1)

Helios101 (2643253) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051099)

So its back to windows 3.1 then? And for a prediction. The next version will feature lots of gradients and maybe some wordart/clipart.

just start making arm based desktops already... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051113)

I need less expensive MBs for my headless GNU/Linux server....

Re:just start making arm based desktops already... (1)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051211)

How about an Atom mini-ITX board?

help? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051115)

Sure, let that grand mother who barely even know how to use a computer find that "help" of yours.

Seriously Microsoft, Windows 8 is crap as it is, at least bring back the damn start menu, who the hell thought it was a good idea to hide it completely and require you to move the mouse to the corner of the screen, where there's nothing apparent there, to open "metro".

Windows 9 (4, Funny)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051117)

Based on recent trends in IE and Win UI design, Microsoft's announced plans, and their track record doing things just a little differently from Apple, I expect the default UI for Windows 9 to be just a blank bluish-grey screen with a lighter logo in the middle, and functions will be brought on screen and selected by gesturing in front of it in a dialect of American Sign Language. (Passwords will be entered by hiding one hand behind the other and finger-spelling.)

Re:Windows 9 (1)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051161)

gesturing in front of it

In whatever case, there will be rude gesticulation.

--
BMO

Re:Windows 9 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051429)

Better if the logo is just Hitler's face:

xkcd.com/528/

Aero What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051121)

I switched the to classic theme immediately upon installing Windows 7 so this is of no matter to me.

Learning? (1)

Dripdry (1062282) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051135)

I'll show you learning. How about that I just learned Win7 over the past year, and now that I'm settling in to it alright MS is changing things *again*.

Learning should be on their part, that constantly changing things makes life difficult for people. Unless this is a VERY intriguing usability upgrade then I find this development disturbing.

Nice job guys... (2, Interesting)

erac3rx (832099) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051139)

Take away the one thing that differentiates you from Mac OS X-- the fact that your UI isn't ugly. We like Aero. If you make your UI ugly, why not just use OS X with it's ugly brushed aluminum and stoplights. Works for me. Metro is cool on tablets and phones, ridiculous and stupid on desktops. Clearly we've got this 'every other release is crap' thing going on with Windows now. But keep in mind that it's easier than ever to switch to Mac these days. Sure the UI is ugly, but the architecture is clearly superior to Windows, and 80% of the time we're using a web browser anyway. Make the UI suck and there's nothing left. Sure, Windows Explorer is superior to Finder (in basically every way), but that's not enough to keep us from using Mac OS X. If you thoroughly ruin the UI, there aren't many good reasons left to use Windows.

Re:Nice job guys... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051293)

There are so many reasons to not use Mac OSX. The biggest one is that you need to buy a new computer, and it will cost at least twice as much as a normal equivalent computer.

I use windows 8 everyday. It stays in classic mode. You don't need to use Metro for anything.

Re:Nice job guys... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051391)

You have the oddest priorities.. The UI that is, in your opinion, prettier is a good reason to keep with Windows. But.. if the UI goes ugly, then the Explorer's advantage over Finder is not a reason to keep with Windows.

Apple redefined the "modern" look (3, Interesting)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051151)

Everyone was happily moving along in a world where more gradients, more gloss, or more 3D was the way of the future. Then Apple changed all that by going retro. They still used gradients and gloss, but in a more subtle way. Their icons were 2D, flat, iconic rather than 3D and realistic. This changed more than just GUIs: slideshows, packaging, advertisements, and trade show posters are changing too.

Microsoft is just following the trend. This will be consistent with the look and feel of Metro, and Visual Studio 2012.

Re:Apple redefined the "modern" look (2)

mysidia (191772) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051183)

That would be an indication that Apple is now leading the industry, and Microsoft is just a follower.....

Re:Apple redefined the "modern" look (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051287)

Um, Microsoft was pioneering metro when apple was in the thick of its glossy/shadow/gradient/3d phase. Metro stands in stark contrast to apple's design language, which now seems to be about mimicking real world interfaces (bookshelf GUI in ibooks, faux leather and stitching in notes, etc.) Its very hard to see how you can claim Microsoft is following in this case

Re:Apple redefined the "modern" look (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051299)

Huh, by what I've heard of recent OS X, Apple seems to be moving completely contrary to what you're saying: more and more towards daftly realistic representations of everything. Ie, the calendar has leather details, note taking applications emulate lined paper, and so on. Often, these metaphors are even allowed to run wild over both usability and features.

Disclaimer: I don't personally use OS X or iDevices (I've never found them appealing, nor could I justify handing money to a corporation so clearly against my principles, even if I did), nor do I follow their development much. Thus, the statements above are merely what friends and colleagues have complained about, not what I've experienced myself. Some of them are quite die-hard Apple fans though, so if they complain about it, I assume they have reason. Regardless, I conclude that I may well have understood either them or you wrong.

cycles... (1)

wood_dude (1548377) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051181)

It has all happened before and will all happen again... Chris

balmer's plan to run microsft into the ground (5, Insightful)

Dan667 (564390) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051251)

is complete.

Thank you Jeebus. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051255)

Worst interface in OS history.

A 5 year olds drawing of a computer screen would likely be better.
And I'm not even kidding.

The interface is a mish-mash stuck in the void between desktop OS and tablet OS.
The interface is literally what ended up happening to Spore, the cute team vs the science team. Sadly that tit Chris won and ruined what Spore could have been.
Then there is the generaly bloat.
And whatever retard thought it was a great idea to make the CLOSE WINDOW button wider should actually be shot.

There were a few nice things added here and there, but that doesn't make up for the lack of consistency and straightforwardness.

Thank god (2)

biodata (1981610) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051277)

It's about time OS stopped wasting time, cpu and ram with rubbish like pretending to be something it isn't, and focused instead on using resources wisely to be a better computer. They can't ditch skeumorphism fast enough for me. Are you listening Apple? I'm talking to you.

Re:Thank god (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051359)

You know you could turn all that off, didn't you? You know that you didn't have to use it?

Less and less interested in windows 8 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051383)

The more I learn about windows 8 the less I want to use it. Are the extremely functional UI's that have evolved for the last 30 years that broken? Why does every company want to subject me to a "streamlined interface" that makes what I want to do more and more cumbersome.

Ubuntu unity, the new gnome, and current kde, stopped me from rejoining the linux world. In my opinion Linux desktops have gone down hill since kde 2. I know that there are lots of options, but what good is that if all the mainstream ones suck.

OSX is still good but heading a direction I don't like. plus I really hate apples tendency to break and/or remove features I like on a whim, and I really hate apples fans because they see it as progress rather than getting shafted. Their removal of Rosetta, express card slots, and affordable matte screens just piss me off. If they take away firewire there is no way I'll buy another mac (no making me buy a 100 dollar dongle so they can save 50 cents is not an option).

Windows 7 is easily the best windows ever. But I don't like the changes made to start menu and control panel.

Windows 8 just looks awful, everything about it rubs me the wrong way. I don't know where to start so I won't say anything.

Why are they trying to make computers suck. Why fix what isn't broken? why force me to use programs in full screen that have almost no function or content. Why force me to search for a program rather than picking one from a list. Why make me memorize stupid keyboard shortcuts?

Im not old, I love improvements in technology, but change for changes sake is not improvement. new is not always better. Plus the market isn't driving the changes, the vast majority of computer users are just annoyed that they have to relearn how to use computers and get no benefit.

I found metro pretty much useless (1)

Stan92057 (737634) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051431)

I found metro pretty much useless as i get all my work done from the Desktop. Metro is just a speed bump where im betting a lot of advertising is going to go on. OEMs have been trying to get a better grip on the desktop i think this is the golden key. Some will find it useful but i think its just going to confuse and slow people down. They say the change is because most people don't use the start tab and when i have my task bar all set up i don't use it much either but i do shut down at nite and this has made shutting down, installing programs a very unpleasant event.

Why even care about backwards compatibility? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40051439)

All the software vendors have come up with a new game. If you upgrade your Windows, you need to upgrade our software too!

I've got a customer that has Quickbooks 2003 running on Windows 7 with no problems.
I've got another customer that has Quickbooks 2008 or 2009 and had to upgrade to 2011 because they went to Windows 7.

Screw backwards compatibility, at least you will get some new programming when you get charged up the yang for new software, and not just a "Old version+1" and new "Check for OS version > 6.1" or whatever.

It won't take long for users to adapt to the OS... (1)

whargoul (932206) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051445)

"Microsoft believes that with a little help it won't take long for users to adapt to the new operating system."

Already ahead of you on that one M$. I've been ramping up my Ubuntu usage ever since details of Win 8 started appearing.

Contrast is a good thing (1)

Twinbee (767046) | more than 2 years ago | (#40051493)

I quite like the Aero glass effect, but if you are going to make it simple like this, at least make the window frame bezelled and ensure it's not white. It's horrible to have (say) a notepad open, and the frame looks like it's part of the document. That screenshot in the main link is horrible. It all looks white and washed out (it's a disturbing trend that's become more apparent on the web too).

Some contrast goes a long way.
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