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Foxconn Invests $210 Million To Build New Production Line For Apple

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the crank-it-out dept.

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redletterdave writes "On Monday, Foxconn agreed to invest $210 million to help Apple build out a new production line for 'unspecified components.' The 40,000-square-meter plant plans to hire roughly 35,800 new employees to help assemble parts for either desktop and laptop computers, iPhones, iPads, iPods, or possibly even new products or devices. Apple projects the plant's annual output between $949 million to $1.1 billion, and also estimates the import and export value at roughly $55.8 million."

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I think I'll invest my money elsewhere (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40070283)

Since Apple invest their money in China, I think I'll invest my hard earn money in someone else product beside
Apple

Like what? Buying Apple more ethnically sound. (2, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070363)

I buy locally (or at least nationally) produced products when possible.

With electronics, that's pretty much NOT possible, with some small exceptions.

At least with Apple, they are making some efforts for transparency, and improvement in the conditions of factory workers. Currently there is NO other major electronics consumer that I have the same degree of assurances from, not within an order of magnitude...

To that end, I have stopped buying NON-Apple products when possible. Normally in the past I bought non-appel wireless routers, because cheap.

But the last time I went looking I bought an Airport because I knew the chances of the people who assembled it being treated better were higher.

Re:Like what? Buying Apple more ethnically sound. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40070417)

Even after I heard that each chink that wanted to work had to suck Steve Job's cock for a factory job, I reluctantly bought Apple products, easing my guilty conscience with the fact that at least children didn't work there.

But now that Steve is dead, and they are still flying his rotting carcass over there to be sucked off, that right there, I have to say crosses the line.

Re:Like what? Buying Apple more ethnically sound. (-1)

JohnnyMindcrime (2487092) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071047)

Oh please STOP with the typical fanboi elevating yourself on a lofty pedestal and sneering down at the rest of the Great Unwashed.

I don't own one single Apple product because I don't buy into walled gardens, it's that simple. But my study at home is full to the brim with products made by Asus, Samsung, Netgear and probably even a Foxconn motherboard in the very PC I'm using to type this response on. And I'm sure every single one of those devices is assembled by Asian hands somewhere in China or Korea.

You, as an Apple fan, are NO DIFFERENT to me or anyone else that uses a modern piece of electronic equipment, so get used to it!

And, quite frankly, much as I don't like to think about people working in Oriental production lines earning less in a month than I probably do in a day, I am as much of the cause of that as you yourself are. If I'm completely honest, I actually don't care very much because ultimately this is about capitalism and supply and demand - people in the rich West want iPads, laptops and Android phones, and people in China want better standards of living and are prepared to do those jobs.

And if they don't like those conditions then they can go through the same processes as happened in Europe and the USA around a century ago when workers formed unions and fought for proper employment rights and better pay.

Don't get me wrong, I don't *LIKE* the fact that workers are exploited so that the few rich at the top line their pockets even more, but the fact is that because I buy the goods they make that would make me a hypocrite unless I stopped buying those products.

At least I have a backbone and can therefore speak honestly, rather than trying to mask foaming-mouthed fanboi-ism in some non-existant social conscience.

So kindly shut the fuck up and stop pretending you are any different to the rest of us.

Re:Like what? Buying Apple more ethnically sound. (1)

bsane (148894) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071107)

Whoa there... you might want to check your own pedestal.

Re:Like what? Buying Apple more ethnically sound. (-1, Troll)

JohnnyMindcrime (2487092) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071157)

Yep, it's fine, very big, and filled to the brim with honest people with spines like me whose dicks are big enough to admit they're part of the problem.

Re:Like what? Buying Apple more ethnically sound. (0)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071349)

Yep, it's fine, very big, and filled to the brim with honest people with spines like me whose dicks are big enough to admit they're part of the problem.

Dear Sir,

You have my respect, for being honest about the way that is

However imperfect the world we live in, at the very least we must be honest about where we are in the chain of events

There are too many fanbois with foam in the mouth, hopping on the bandwagons accusing the Asians for "stealing their jobs" and accusing the corporations of "exploiting the Asians"

And all the while they never look at themselves, the very root cause of why jobs are leaving Europe/America to Asia and elsewhere

Re:Like what? Buying Apple more ethnically sound. (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#40072233)

They are leaving because they can dump toxic waste straight into the rivers there and treat workers VERY poorly. they can expose them to chemicals you'd never get away with here, unsafe working conditions that would never be allowed, and basically they are nothing but "disposable people". It is no accident that over 10% of the farmland in China is now so toxic the produce from them is unfit for human consumption or 9 out of the top 10 cancer causing cities are in China.

So please get off the bullshit high horse that it is somehow the west's fault because they gasp! horror! Refuse to live like a Charles Dickens novel while sucking carcinogens with every breath and having drinking water just slightly better than raw sewage. free trade should be banned simply because it does not exist but is instead an excuse those 1%ers use to poison third world countries with the help of the 1%ers in power in those same countries. The amount of toxins the average peasant is exposed to in India and china is not only horrifying it just serves as proof that the west has been brainwashed by the "job creators" elite class that exploiting peasants and treating them as disposable people is perfectly alright as long as they aren't over here. Its disgusting, shameful, and I believe the history books will look upon this period just as they do the "white man's burden" of the 19th century.

Re:Like what? Buying Apple more ethnically sound. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40072569)

You're a retarded moron..

Confirmation (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071563)

filled to the brim with honest people with spines like me whose dicks are big enough

Yes, we could tell easily from your first message you were a huge dick. No need to confirm.

Re:Like what? Buying Apple more ethnically sound. (1)

Wovel (964431) | more than 2 years ago | (#40072593)

It was one of the most hypocritical posts I have seen in the sea of /. hypocrisy. The walled garden argument is so lame. Calling everyone who says anything positive about Apple a fanboi is equally lame.

Re:Like what? Buying Apple more ethnically sound. (1, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071607)

Oh please STOP with the typical fanboi elevating yourself on a lofty pedestal

I'm not elevating myself. I'm showing others how they can climb.

I don't own one single Apple product

And some decide to stay in the gutter. That is your choice, but don't pretend you are better than me because of it.

If I'm completely honest, I actually don't care very much because ultimately this is about capitalism and supply and demand

That's fine, but again don't label me with a term like "fanboi" because I seek to become a little more enlightened.

And if they don't like those conditions then they can go through the same processes as happened in Europe and the USA around a century ago when workers formed unions and fought for proper employment rights and better pay.

And get shot and/or fired and replaced by the MILLIONS of other people who would literally kill for those jobs.

I respect a free market myself, and they do have the ability to leave any time if they don't like the conditions. But that doesn't mean it's not better to throw a little support behind those that try to help the workers even before they make moves to help themselves. You are waiting for some event that may never come, living high atop the conditions of the moment until that happens.

I choose to make things better in whatever way is possible NOW, so that change may come gradually and peacefully instead of rapidly and with destruction and mayhem as the mother.

Re:Like what? Buying Apple more ethnically sound. (5, Insightful)

alphamax (1176593) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071767)

I don't own one single Apple product

And some decide to stay in the gutter. That is your choice, but don't pretend you are better than me because of it.

Why do you think he is pretending he is better than you? The rest of the quote you conveniently left out is

because I don't buy into walled gardens, it's that simple.

It sounds to me like the closed ecosystem doesn't appeal to him. Saying that "some decide to stay in the gutter" sounds like you are pretending that you are better because you purchased a particular brand.

Re:Like what? Buying Apple more ethnically sound. (1)

Wovel (964431) | more than 2 years ago | (#40072601)

Someone really abused their mod points. Great post btw.

Some Samsung monitors are made in Mexico ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40071191)

I buy locally (or at least nationally) produced products when possible. With electronics, that's pretty much NOT possible, with some small exceptions.

Those exceptions can still represent common and decent options. For example I recently noted that a 24" 1080p monitor from Samsung was "made" in Mexico.

Conditions? (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071545)

For example I recently noted that a 24" 1080p monitor from Samsung was "made" in Mexico.

Yes but what are conditions like THERE? I can only imagine the horrors that would be easily hid in Mexico...

But since we lack any visibly into TV manufacturing I suppose possibly Mexican assembly workers may be treated better... it's a pretty large jump to make though, with no facts to back up what is the better choice. I'm limping along with older equipment until I know better (and no, I'm not waiting for Apple to produce a TV, I would have no use for that).

Re:Conditions? (4, Interesting)

adolf (21054) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071913)

Whatever the conditions in a Mexican factory might be, the workers are there by choice. Communism is dead in that country, and folks there aren't generally told what jobs they must do. It might have been different a long time ago (when I lived there as a kid, the mountain overlooking our house featured a giant hammer-and-sickle formed from boulders, which I'm told has since been destroyed).

Life is full of choices. If I have the choice to buy products made in a country who has a history of treating their workers respectfully, I do so. Even little things: I like fasteners made by company called Spax, for instance. Their manufacturing happens either in Germany or not so far from me in Bryan, Ohio (also home of the Etch-a-Sketch), and either one is perfectly fine with me and -vastly- preferable over anything which might be Chinese in origin because I can be reasonably certain that their workers are well-paid.

But given a choice between China and Mexico, I prefer Mexico, just because anything I can do to support my neighbors to the south is far preferable to supporting a country on the other side of the world. Put simply: I'd rather see Mexico's economy do well, than see China's do the same, since the former will have a greater positive influence on the economy of my own country.

And it's just the neighborly thing to do.

No different than China (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40072563)

Whatever the conditions in a Mexican factory might be, the workers are there by choice.

I disagree that that differs at all from conditions in China. The Chinese workers are the ones that seek to work in the factories. They can also leave at any time, the state does not have to force them to work there because there are so many that wish to.

In both countries poverty makes the factory choice much more appealing than the peasant countryside life.

Life is full of choices. If I have the choice to buy products made in a country who has a history of treating their workers respectfully, I do so.

As do I. But on that front there is no difference between modern China and Mexico. In fact if anything the Chinese are a little better off because China is trying to bring in capitalism, while Mexico is fighting a losing war against corruption and REALLY scary drug cartels. I was in China last year and felt very comfortable there, I would not step foot in Mexico at this point.

anything I can do to support my neighbors to the south is far preferable to supporting a country on the other side of the world.

I agree with the sentiment but am not sure money filtered down to the factories is the best form of help for those in Mexico, whereas it is the only way I can help the Chinese.

I think the better thing to do for Mexico is greatly increase legal immigration from that country and treat them as a true neighbor.

Re:Like what? Buying Apple more ethnically sound. (1)

tixxit (1107127) | more than 2 years ago | (#40072113)

I remember several years ago (5 maybe?), a report came out about how "green" various laptop manufacturers were. Lenovo won, flat out. Apple was the worst. A couple years later, Apple was on top and boasting about it. However, they changed because the spotlight was put on them. They work to a different standard now because people are holding them to a higher standard. So, it's not all altruistic. But this doesn't really matter, as your point still holds (now, anyways).

Re:Like what? Buying Apple more ethnically sound. (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40072591)

Apple changed when the spotlight was put on the industry, way before the spotlight was put on Apple.

The thing that really gets me is now that spotlight is only on Apple, not the industry. There is a factor of decreasing gains, Apple can only do so much - meanwhile the rest of the industry laughs and continues to do whatever the hell they like, burning egrets to make bezels or what have you.

That is what is making me angry, that the focus on Apple is a HUGE opportunity cost for cleaning up all other consumer electronic makers.

Re:I think I'll invest my money elsewhere (1)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071627)

Since Apple invest their money in China, I think I'll invest my hard earn money in someone else product beside Apple

Hard to believe this poorly worded comment is Score: 0.

Re:I think I'll invest my money elsewhere (2)

Wovel (964431) | more than 2 years ago | (#40072621)

I just want to know where he plans on spending his money...You can't build a computer of any kind without parts from Asia. Even all of those companies with the american flags in their ads are just assembling parts from Asia.

36,000 employees? Why? (2)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070301)

Why on earth do they need that many people. Aren't these electronics lines automated? (On another note: When was the last time a U.S. or EU company announced hiring 36,000 people.)

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (4, Funny)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070339)

Don't you get it? The new product will be the technological equivalent of Soylent Green ... a "Soylent brushed metal and glass".

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40071651)

a "Soylent brushed metal and glass".

With rounded corners!

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (5, Insightful)

Hentes (2461350) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070369)

In some places people are cheaper than robots.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (2)

imbusy (1002705) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070513)

I sometimes wonder what these people will do once the reverse is true.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40070805)

This is why baby factories need to be shut down. Technology is all about eliminating jobs. Sometimes, but not always, the technology in question happens to produce a net-gain in empoloyment if it can scale out. But generally, that should not be a goal. For example, come up with a vision of a future city/town -- does that vision include more cars, more postal workers, more smoke-filled factory stacks?

Stop producing babies that will need to be socially protected and require jobs. Technology will just keep marching forward to eliminate the need for them

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (2)

cheesybagel (670288) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071905)

Don't be an idiot. The more people we have, the higher the rate of technological advancement will happen. Humans are the ultimate resource. Without people eventually development would stagnate or even reverse itself. It has happened before when there were large population implosions (fall of the Roman Empire, Black Death, etc).

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (4, Interesting)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#40072409)

The problem with your argument is thus, Humans are NOT the ultimate resource but SMART humans ARE. the problem is the smart are NOT breeding in any real numbers while the dumb as fuck, barely able to count their change total retards are popping out kids by the pile. Hell didn't you see that story that went around last week about the guy that had THIRTY KIDS and wanted them to cut down his child support because he only makes minimum wage (and frankly always will) even though divided up among that many damned kids they each get on average $1.94 a month?

Sadly what we are seeing is the simple fact that while a comedy Idiocracy is rapidly becoming reality. When you have someone with a 90 IQ frankly education will only go so far, because just as you can't train someone without the genetically gifted muscle type (lack of lactic acid buildup but off the top of my head i can't remember if there is a term for it) to be a world class or even state level sprinter you simply can't turn people with 80 to 90 IQ into rocket scientists, it simply can NOT be done.

Whether you choose to believe it or not frankly a HELL of a lot of the work at the bottom of the ladder in the USA right now is simply "make work" that wouldn't be feasible if the government didn't pay for it by taking it out of your pocket. Walmart even shows a training video on how to apply for food stamps for Pete's sake! Do you HONESTLY think if those government programs disappeared tomorrow it would be cheaper for the stores like Walmart to pay a living wage than to simply automate?

In the end we are playing IQ musical chairs and more and more simply will never get a seat. Most of the minimum wage jobs in the USA could be replaced by machines tomorrow if government programs didn't artificially tilt the favor for humans. Hell you could replace most fast food with automated assembly quite easily, stocking shelves with robots, self checkout lines, hell you could even replace most plumbers and electricians by just using prefabbed homes.

Whether we like it or not the day is RAPIDLY approaching where capitalism, like every other ism before it, will simply fail. If the workers can't trade their labor for capital then how is capitalism gonna survive? We are already seeing the beginnings of it by how so few at the top can control so much of the capital while it becomes ever harder for those at the bottom to rise above anything but poverty because they simply can't get the capital required to advance from labor alone. Did you know you can put the ones that control over 80% of the capitol in your average HS gym and still have seats left over? This is a sign that the system is failing because otherwise those workers killing themselves daily would be able to work their way into that club but the majority just can't.

In the end it just doesn't work friend, you have nearly half a billion people in the USA alone and with just current technology you could get by just fine without any real losses with just 1/5th of that number. Mark my words the next bubble to burst will be the education bubble as millions go into debt they will never be able to pay only to find that the jobs simply don't exist. With robots and computers frankly we just DO NOT NEED all of these people, so short of make work or handouts you are gonna have some major upheavals as all these unneeded people aren't simply gonna wander off and die, they WILL fight back any way they can. But in the end one simply can't escape the simple fact that we have millions more people than we have jobs that need doing.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (1)

homer_ca (144738) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071187)

Kick back to a life of leisure while machines do all the work?

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071919)

If someone else owns the machines do they owe you anything? This is not some sort of socialist paradise.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (1)

homer_ca (144738) | more than 2 years ago | (#40072245)

/. really needs a sarcasm tag

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (1)

Jeremi (14640) | more than 2 years ago | (#40072577)

It will be after the revolution, comrade.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (1)

gutnor (872759) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070867)

And you cannot believe how cheap they are. I order tools from india from time to time. Any type of marking is done by hand. For the majority of the markings, the machinery to do that can of work cost only a few thousands and would run literally forever with little maintenance. Yet, people (and mistake made by those people) are cheaper than that.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (3, Funny)

Lord_of_the_nerf (895604) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071111)

Yeah, but you don't need to install netting for robots.

They prefer using the suicide booths.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40070389)

It's mostly down to the time it takes to design and construct an assembly line for making electronic products. The time it takes to do all that it generally longer than the production run of the device (especially with smartphones). It's much cheaper and simpler to just get a massive manned production line to do it instead.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40070421)

This is all part of their new environmentally friendly strategy.
35,000 of these employees will be running on treadmills to generate the plants electricity.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070493)

Here's your 1.2 square meters, now get to work!!

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (1)

InspectorGadget1964 (2439148) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070573)

1.2 Square meters? You are way to generous. And do not forget the bars on the windows and restricted access to anything over 1 mt high, so they can not jump and kill themselves. No sharp devices and no poisonous chemicalls (The last one will be a bit difficult considering is China we are talking about)

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40070749)

It's called shifts. Likely 3 of them. An average 3.6 square meters is definitely small (surely less when you subtract equipment) but it isn't 1.2.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (4, Informative)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070979)

There's also some loss of information in TFA. The submitter changed "a plant that covers 40,000 square meters" to "a 40,000 square meters plant". Quite possible there will be more than one floor. A plant with five floors covering 40,000 square meters would be a 200,000 square meter plant.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40071061)

I'm sure it is a 1 m^2 40,000 floor building. They love their tall buildings.

In all seriousness, footage is based on floor (walkable), at least before machinery and accommodations are added. Now they may have some high ceilings, but they can't walk up there.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (1)

KingMotley (944240) | more than 2 years ago | (#40072301)

The don't have two story buildings where you are from?

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40070507)

They are accounting already for the suicides?

bad joke.. very bad joke I know.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40070629)

Why on earth do they need that many people.

I don't know, but I'm imagining many years from now: a Spartacus like 3D epic with a cast of thousands of Cgi avatars, all battling over freedom from the apple slave pits in China. It probably won't be as good as the original book, and the producers will probably make the Apple employees english, whilst all the chinese workers magically transform into american actors speaking in a scottish accent. The film will naturally be saved by the romantic love interest who almost shows some clevage, the really over-done screen wipes, the freemium app tie in, and the 17 weeks of marketing preeceding release. The lack of any plot, or any relation to real life events, is unlikely to raise too much concern: because it's created some skilled jobs.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (5, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070773)

I'm sure they know what they're doing. But I do find it interesting that this foxconn plant will employ ten times as many people [fb.com] as all of facebook.com (with 3500 employees). The idea that there could ever be enough "knowledge worker" jobs to replace what manufacturing used to be just doesn't hold up.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071745)

Well one hardware device can support a whole lot more than one site or one piece of software. So Foxconn makes hardware for Apple devices. How many app developers in total make software for Apple devices? According to the latest bragging numbers there's over 500,000 apps and while many are simple some are not. And that doesn't include every other site on the Internet who can live off people using the web browser. For that matter, look at PCs and compare the hardware industry to the whole software industry. Intel may be big but there's many millions of people writing software from the smallest one-man shops to juggernauts like Microsoft. I just don't see your data supporting your conclusion.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071935)

Especially since knowledge management is ever increasingly done by machines. Even some tasks which used to require human intelligence like voice recognition or eyeball inspections of produced goods can now be automated. What's left? Making clay pots and selling them? Or perhaps tulips...

No, lines aren't automated (5, Informative)

mveloso (325617) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070971)

If you watched the Foxconn video (or seen any industrial production video), you'd see that for certain types of assembly it's cheaper and easier to get people to do it than to mechanize.

Mechanization requires lots of tooling and is relatively hard to change once built. It's easier to just hire a lot of people and change their procedures when needed.

There's no secret to mass assembly - it's just a serious logistical challenge. Everything needs to be specified, exactly.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (2)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070985)

Why on earth do they need that many people. Aren't these electronics lines automated? (On another note: When was the last time a U.S. or EU company announced hiring 36,000 people.)

- yeah, because Chinese government hasn't yet mandated an entire slew of things that would prevent a company just from trying to build a business and instead would force a company to look for ways to get away from hiring people and find ways to do the same work without any hiring at all.

This is the direct proof that all this government intervention in the USA and Europe etc. is what PREVENTS JOBS FROM HAPPENING and KILLS EXISTING JOBS.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (2)

rajafarian (49150) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071849)

Not everyone here wants to get rid of regulations like minimum wage, OSHA, and environmental laws. Historically corporations here have screwed the environment (and everything else) if they are not regulated. I think things would be different if somehow the CEO was personally liable to some extent for the corporations' actions but I think we can agree that they are not.

Yeah, ALEC and Republicans really want to bring China here, fast. And many Americans don't like it!

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071937)

Nah, it just means if they can save a buck by moving to China they will.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071203)

Flexible work force. You can issue orders to a group and have them execute different orders or work different shifts immediately.

The Chinese gov't wouldn't support automation ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40071219)

The Chinese gov't wouldn't support automation, the gov't wants jobs for the masses.

That massive FoxConn factory/city, it was built by the gov't not FoxConn. That's a helluva subsidy/stimulus package, and you only get such a package if you are going to employ people.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (2)

Chas (5144) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071273)

It's so that Apple can have their own clean, friendly production facility so that Foxconn can stop disrupting work at their hellhole^H^H^H^slave camp^H^H^H^H^other sweatshops to comply with public inspections by people who'd be outraged by how they NORMALLY do business.

In other words, a facade, like everything else at Apple.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071845)

Wait, are you saying that Apple demanding, and getting, better working conditions for the employees that assemble their products is somehow a bad thing?!? I mean why would you be down on Apple rather than all the other tech companies that outsource to Foxconn and don't make the same demands?

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#40072471)

Nooo...he is saying what Apple and Foxconn is doing is simply a variation of a Potemkin Village [wikipedia.org] where you build a front to please the suits but in reality the vast majority of Foxconn workers will be living like shit. This lets Apple say they are "changing things" when in reality they are still doing business with a scummy company, they are simply having a nice front made for THEIR products and their products alone.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (1)

djdavetrouble (442175) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071969)

Portions of the parts manufacture are automated, but Assembly is done by humans. Don't know if you have ever disassembled a laptop or not, but it is definitely delicate work better done by quick dextrous humans.

Re:36,000 employees? Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40072403)

Aren't these electronics lines automated?

No, that's ridiculous. Robots are expensive to buy, and expensive and difficult to re-program and re-tool.

Humans take instructions readily, are easy to find, easy to fire, and more dextrous than most robots. And you don't have to make any investment in them; just pay them while they're working and stop paying when you don't have anything for them to do.

The only things that are automated are things that require too much precision for human hands, which is basically only the chips themselves. Everything after that, from putting them on boards to sealing the case, is done by meatbags.

If you were building such a line in an industrialized country, where even an entry-level worker requires twenty times as much compensation, you would be stupid not to automate. But that's why they don't build them in industrialized countries.

Close quarters! (0)

spitzak (4019) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070373)

35800 employees in 40000 square meters means 1.117 square meters per employee. Assuming they are arranged in a square pattern then the distance between employes is 1.06 meters. This is in both directions, ie if they are arranged along production lines then they can be 1.06 meters apart along the line, but also there is somebody facing the other side of the production line 1.06 meters away in front of you, and somebody facing the line behind you 1.06 meters behind you.

Re:Close quarters! (5, Insightful)

WizADSL (839896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070431)

I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that ALL the employees will not be present at the SAME TIME.

Re:Close quarters! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40070711)

I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that ALL the employees will not be present at the SAME TIME.

Even with three shifts, that's still less than 4 m^2 per employee.

In other words, on average there will be 8 other employees within about 2-3 m of you.

Re:Close quarters! (1)

Telvin_3d (855514) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070931)

8 other people within three meters? Most cubicle workers can say the same.

Re:Close quarters! (1)

Kreigaffe (765218) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071297)

Actually it's probably more likely that they have 4 shifts, not 3. 3 8-hour shifts makes a 24 hour day, but you then have those same sets of people working 7 days a week -- but if you rotate schedules, go to a 12 hour shift, it's really simple to have a plant running 24/7 with 4 crews of employees putting in 3-5 days per 'week', and if any critical employee can't show up on any given shift of any given day -- there's always 2 other employees not working the following shift who can be brought in to cover for them.

Re:Close quarters! (5, Insightful)

olsmeister (1488789) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070435)

I would assume the employees are working in multiple shifts, in other words, not all 35,800 are in the building at the same time.

Re:Close quarters! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40071471)

Unless of course, the shifts are so long that the only reasonable place to go after their shift ends is their living quarters.

And of course, in China, the factories provide all the food and accommodation the employees need. The living quarters will therefore be part of the 40000 square metres, which means the employees can choose to be closer together when working, or closer together when sleeping, or both!

Re:Close quarters! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40070439)

I assume they don't all work at once. Still with 3 shifts that would be 3.3 square meters per employee. And they still need room for all the non-people equipment, walkways, facilities etc.

Re:Close quarters! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40070465)

... assuming all employees are working at the same time, and not in staggered shifts.

Re:Close quarters! (1)

aurashift (2037038) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070469)

My guess is that you've never laid eyes on a call center. Usually the desks are about two and a half to three feet wide, and I believe the distance between aisles is dictated by fire code, although the general idea is to pack them in tight. To say though this is different than any other place makes me think you aren't basing it on much besides the math.

Re:Close quarters! (1)

erikscott (1360245) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071773)

You have to leave 39 inches for ADA and room to get a stretcher through for EMS. But really, most jurisdictions have a "people per square foot" clause that winds up being the limiting factor. The idea is based on how many people you can evacuate in some number of seconds, and unless the building is long and skinny, you just can't put enough doors in. I also suspect this is going to increase, because you can't get a bariatrics stretcher through a 39" walkway. :-)

Re:Close quarters! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40070473)

Because they'll only be running 1 shift

Re:Close quarters! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40070499)

They would be had the news not broken about them exploiting people.

Re:Close quarters! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40070497)

This will run 24x7, so if you want to be overly optimistic and say 3 working shifts of 8 hours/5 days a week (HAH!), that means about 8.5K workers at any one time. If you work the more like 12 hour/6 day schedule, you are still at 15.3K workers at any one time. Not quite as dramatic.

Re:Close quarters! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40070509)

Multiple shifts. You are assuming everyone is working there at same time.

Factories run 24h a day. 3 shifts of 8h, 4 shifts of 6, whatever.

Re:Close quarters! (2)

Declinations (2634793) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070523)

They aren't all working at the same time. I have no idea what kind of shifts they run, but I would have to assume at least 2, probably 3 or 4 if all the worker protection stuff has actually come to fruition. So you numbers are kind of off.

How specific (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40070383)

"to help assemble parts for either desktop and laptop computers, iPhones, iPads, iPods, or possibly even new products or devices" How specific, thanks.

Re:How specific (1)

supremebob (574732) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070425)

Come on... were you honestly expecting Apple (the most secretive consumer electronics company on the planet) to announce to the world that they're building a special assembly line for Apple iTV's months before they're ready to ship?

Re:How specific (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40071005)

All of above. Apple will need as much production capacity as possible after Microsoft suicide-bombs the PC industry with Windows 8.

gotta love the density (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40070391)

1 person / square meter

Re:gotta love the density (0)

Sketchly (1354369) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070659)

1 person / square meter

This is the reason these plants aren't built in America. The average American's obese ass wouldn't fit into a square metre.

Foxconn Invests $210 Million (0)

kamaluddin (2644611) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070405)

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Where does IBT get its info? (5, Informative)

Animats (122034) | more than 2 years ago | (#40070599)

Huh? Huai'an city is not in Hainan. It's in Jiangsu province, about 100km west of Shanghai. Hainan is an island off the southern coast of China, near Vietnam.

The China Daily article [chinadaily.com.cn] says there are two separate projects. Foxconn is both building this plant in Huai'an and starting up a new manufacturing base down in Hainan. The Hainan facility is not necessarily Apple-oriented.

Please let it be iTV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40070709)

Please let it be iTV. That should be enough for the people who think they're "different" to wake up and realize they aren't. "Dude. It's TV. The revolution is dead, to the extent that it was ever alive".

In the USA? (2, Interesting)

mspohr (589790) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071145)

I'll go out on a limb and hazard a guess that this plant is not in the USA and won't provide any jobs in the USA.
Too bad that one of America's top companies outsources most of its production. Their profit margins could support USA jobs.

Would you accept Chinese wages in US of A? (4, Interesting)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071619)

Too bad that one of America's top companies outsources most of its production

Well ... there is one very simple way of stop companies from outsourcing anything - work in America while accepting Chinese wages

Are you willing to work in America while receiving wages equal to what the Chinese workers are receiving?

Re:Would you accept Chinese wages in US of A? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40071679)

Well ... there is one very simple way of stop companies from outsourcing anything - work in America while accepting Chinese wages

Federal and state minimum wage laws make your idea a non-starter.

Re:Would you accept Chinese wages in US of A? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40072263)

Tell that to all the undocumented workers that underpin your entire economy!

Re:Would you accept Chinese wages in US of A? (5, Interesting)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071713)

There's another way. Stop this suicidal race to the bottom. It would be nice if we had CEOs that weren't a bunch of Randist supermen, who might actually consider helping the society that let them reach their current heights. Since that doesn't seem likely to happen, I'd settle for raising their taxes. They always complain that increasing taxes will drive away the job creators. From where I sit, those people aren't creating any American jobs, so their argument falls flat.

Re:Would you accept Chinese wages in US of A? (5, Insightful)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | more than 2 years ago | (#40072553)

There's another way. Stop this suicidal race to the bottom.

Unfortunately there is no way to stop this blind rush to the bottom

How much are you willing to pay for your next iPAD? $7,999.00 or $499.00 ?

How much are you willing to pay for your next iTV? $18,999.00 or $999.00 ?

You are the consumer, you vote with your wallet. and get to decide where your next purchase will be made

If you want your next gadget to be made in the US of A, be prepared to pay more, much more than what you are currently willing to pay

Do not blame the CEO, the "Top 1%", for the outsourcing of jobs

It's YOU and ME, the consumers, who have told corporations such as Apple, LOUDLY, with our collective wallets, that we want our next gadget to be CHEAP - and the corporations oblige, by seeking out the place where they can make the gadget with the lowest cost possible, namely the Far East

Re:In the USA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40071647)

I think Apple has something ridiculous like 30%-40% profit margins.

I work in a car company. Most (>70%) of the components are made in the USA. Most of the vehicles are made here except for a few models. Some of the models are designed from the ground up here. The company's profit margin in the USA is about 2%. That's right, they make about $300 for an entry level car.

Funnily enough its not a US company. I catch shit about it from people all the time, too.

Re:In the USA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40071859)

The reason is simple, China does not have to pay union wages. If Apple mfg'd here and had a union shop, their margin would be pretty low as well (or the devices would be twice as expensive).

Outsources most? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40071659)

Apple outsources ALL of its commercial production.

Re:Outsources most? (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 2 years ago | (#40072103)

Apple outsources ALL of its commercial production.

Even those processors that Samsung makes for it in Texas?

Re:In the USA? (1, Insightful)

hahn (101816) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071795)

They are not a charity organization. Why would they create much more expensive USA jobs if it doesn't help their business or maximize profits for their shareholders? You might think it's the right thing to do. A shareholder of AAPL might disagree. People who like to buy Apple products might also disagree when the prices go up.

Re:In the USA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40071883)

As an Apple shareholder I'm quite glad that Apple isn't wasting money subsidizing jobs for lazy Americans who want to be overpaid for their efforts simply because in the past they were overpaid.

Generous! (0)

Synon (847155) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071299)

"The 40,000-square-meter plant plans to hire roughly 35,800 new employees" That's a little OVER a square meter per person! How generous!

Yes! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40071399)

Let's see... Apple pays almost no taxes. Apple is throwing away 38,000+ U.S. jobs down the toilet.
I'm so happy I learned my lesson and stayed away from Apple for going on 12 years now.

How's your iThingy look now...

Re:Yes! (0)

allanw (842185) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071655)

How is your usage of electronics products from company X any better?

Apple haters where are you? (1)

TimHunter (174406) | more than 2 years ago | (#40071691)

I'm just waiting to see how the /. Apple haters twist this around so that it's bad when Apple builds their stuff in China but okay when Dell and HP do the same thing because Linux. Or something.
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