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Microsoft Tests Social Search Waters With 'so.cl' Network

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the solution-looking-for-a-problem dept.

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benfrog writes "Microsoft just quietly launched so.cl in an experiment to more closely unite web searches and social networking. It's not intended as a stand-alone social network — users can log in with Facebook or Windows Live IDs, and it will share your searches publicly by default. "As students work together, they often search for the same items, and discover new shared interests by sharing links. We see this trend today on many social networks, such as Twitter, where shared links spread virally and amplify popular content. So.cl experiments with this concept by automatically sharing links as you search." They've also (wisely?) put Bing Search at the center of the site."

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135 comments

Another failed social project from Microsoft (-1, Flamebait)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079231)

Another go-nowhere project from Microsoft's social research group Fuse Labs, following in the footsteps of Live Labs, a previous group that disbanded in 2010. Anyone remember Pivot? Deepfish? Listas? Photosynth? And about 10 other discontinued products.

We all know this will be swept under the rug and forgotten faster than you can say "Google Wave", but it's amusing seeing Betteridge's Law of Headlines [wikipedia.org] at play in the coverage, such as this gem [foxnews.com] from Fox News: "Is this the next Facebook? Microsoft unveils so.cl social network" The best part is that the article spends its first six paragraphs definitely answering its own headline with a no. Mainstream tech coverage is barely above tabloids [imgur.com] .

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (2)

Fwipp (1473271) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079289)

When the headline is a question, the answer is usually "no."

Paradox! (3, Funny)

naroom (1560139) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079359)

If this sentence was a headline, would the answer be "no"?

Re:Paradox! (2)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079475)

To be henceforth called naroom's paradox! :D

Re:Paradox! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40081557)

Bonch's paradox:

How to diss Google in an arena where his beloved Microsoft failed first and fastest.

Hey Bonch, got another for you -

Microsoft buys Nokia, Nokia shares tank.
Google buys Motorola Mobility. Moto shares lift.

You backed the dead horse.

Re:Paradox! (1, Interesting)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079621)

No, but hypothetically speaking yes. One cannot answer hypothetical questions correctly, since they offer no "truth" (the "yes") from which to derive an answer.

The logic (Philosophy) professors at college hated me, because I was right. ALL hypothetical questions must be answered hypothetically. The question in class were usually something like "If all cats are dogs and all dogs are horses, are all cats horses?", the hypothetical answer is "yes" but in reality (truth) is no. And I would answer them that way. Thus, all hypothetical questions are outside the framework of Truth, even if they are "true" .. hypothetically speaking.

This is important because people often base hypothetical questions as "fact", and thus trap people into thinking the logic of the question is "true" and thus the whole premise is "true" when in fact, it was just a hypothetical question, with a false premise, of which the answer ... by default ... should have been in the negative.

In your case, the question is in fact NOT a Headline (unless you offer evidence to the contrary), so the answer is "no" since it is not a headline, the premise is false, therefore the answer should be false/negative. You offer a classic example of why hypothetical questions are misleading. However, the correct answer is "hypothetically speaking ... yes"

Re:Paradox! (4, Funny)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079739)

You must be fun at parties.

Re:Paradox! (0)

Threni (635302) | more than 2 years ago | (#40080167)

When people say that it usually reads as "you are smarter than me".

Re:Paradox! (1)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 2 years ago | (#40080465)

Probably, but it was the kind of lengthy and unsolicited tangential offshoot that I felt should be otherwise cheapened by a terse and simple response. I'm glad at least one other person got a chuckle from my comment.

As far as being less intelligent than anyone else, well, hopefully my ego will manage.

Re:Paradox! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40079977)

No, they hated you because you insisted on missing the point of the lesson through pig-headed, stubborn, stupidity, and by willfully ignoring the "If" at the start of the question in order to satisfy some childish need to demonstrate that you are cleverer than everyone else. You weren't being clever, you were being frustrating, and you should stop being so proud of your behaviour.

Re:Paradox! (5, Interesting)

FrootLoops (1817694) | more than 2 years ago | (#40080349)

That's very stupid. Hypothetical questions can have value, and if you insist on answering them all with "no" you lose that value. Here's an example taken from Albert Einstein; I've modified it somewhat, but the ideas are the same:

If I pursue a beam of light with the velocity c (velocity of light in a vacuum), do I observe such a beam of light as an electromagnetic field at rest though spatially oscillating? Yes, according to the Gallilean transformation, I would. However, there seems to be no such thing, neither on the basis of experience nor according to Maxwell's equations, so I deduced the principle of relativity.

(Original here [pitt.edu] )

If you insisted on answering "no" to his question, you'd get the wrong conclusion. Just because you can't get to velocity c doesn't mean the thought experiment is "outside the framework of Truth" (whatever the hell that means). This would all be fine if you simply accepted that an argument can have a truth value independent of its premises and conclusions. The argument "If all cats are dogs and all dogs are horses, all cats are horses" is true. However, the premises are false, so the conclusion does not necessarily follow from the truth of the argument, and in fact in this case the conclusion is false. I could write this more clearly in first order predicate logic if needed.

To be honest, you don't really know what you're talking about, your professors were probably annoyed by your smugness mixed with your stupidity--not the fact that you were right--and you should have been modded down, not up.

Re:Paradox! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40080365)

A hypothetical statement with a false antecedent is considered vacuously true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuous_truth

Re:Paradox! (4, Insightful)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 2 years ago | (#40081621)

One cannot answer hypothetical questions correctly

Sure you can.

since they offer no "truth" (the "yes") from which to derive an answer.

Assuming by "truth" you mean something like "accurate statements of external reality", this is not required for a correct response to a hypothetical question.

The logic (Philosophy) professors at college hated me, because I was right. ALL hypothetical questions must be answered hypothetically.

Uh, yeah. I doubt they hated you for that, since everyone knows that. They might have disliked your failure to understand what answering hypothetically means, though.

The question in class were usually something like "If all cats are dogs and all dogs are horses, are all cats horses?", the hypothetical answer is "yes" but in reality (truth) is no.

No, the answer, period, is yes, whether this is intended as a definition blind hypothetical (so that "cat", "dog", and "horse" are just variable names, not terms with definitions outside the question) or whether its a hypothetical about "cats", "dogs", and "horses" under the usual definitions.

In the former case, the question is equivalent to:
Given p -> q and q -> r, does p -> r? Implication is transitive, the answer is yes.

In the latter case, then the question is "Is the implication ((p -> q) && (q -> r)) -> (p->r) satisfied when p->q, q->r, and p->r are always false." The answer here is also yes.

This is important because people often base hypothetical questions as "fact"

This clause is incoherent. If you mean people often assume that the premise of a hypothetical question is fact, then, to the extent that that is true, its simply a failure to understand what a hypothetical question is. It has no impact on the correct manner of answering such a question.

Re:Paradox! (1)

Chelloveck (14643) | more than 2 years ago | (#40081877)

That wasn't hate, that was pity. Most people eventually grow out of the sophomore bullshit phase, but you're special.

Re:Paradox! (1)

sudonymous (2585501) | more than 2 years ago | (#40080345)

Yes.

If your question was a headline, the answer would be "no".

Also, if the moon is made of green cheese, then pigs would fly.

And if I am Albert Einstein, then 2+2 = 5.

All true statements. Lrn2 classical Boolean algebra.

F IMP __ = T

Re:Paradox! (1)

sudonymous (2585501) | more than 2 years ago | (#40080361)

Now, for a more interesting question:

IFF this sentence was a headline, would the answer be "no"?

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40079377)

Yes, that's Betteridge's Law of Headlines, which he linked.

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (1)

Fwipp (1473271) | more than 2 years ago | (#40080153)

Oh. Yes he did. Clearly I need to work on my reading comprehension.

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (1)

Dragonslicer (991472) | more than 2 years ago | (#40080965)

I believe it's also called Punctuation Punditry.

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (1)

LordKaT (619540) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079315)

Mainstream tech coverage is barely above tabloids [imgur.com] .

I came here to say "that's why independent tech podcasts are so important" but then I realized my own tech podcast was completely and utterly irrelevant :(

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (1)

orthancstone (665890) | more than 2 years ago | (#40080223)

So your irrelevant podcast is on the same level as mainstream media? Hey, at least you've made it!

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (2)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079389)

Photosynth lives on as a popular iOS app and on the web.

This is a research project, nothing like Google Wave or even Ping. Not everything that is researched needs to be a successful product.

Also, note to posters who keep calling bonch a MS shill, he's nothing like one. He's actually a anti-MS, anti-Google, pro-Apple shill.

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (-1, Troll)

Big Sausage Festival (2645385) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079471)

What I find great about Microsoft is that they actually provide open public api to their search engine. It allows people and researchers to do stuff like this. It even allows new search engines [duckduckgo.com] . Google has nothing of the sort - in fact they block your access to their servers just after a few requests if you try to scrape the search results automatically.

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (2)

Sarten-X (1102295) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079609)

Google has nothing of the sort, except its API [google.com] , which allows only 100 queries per day per account, unless you pay at a rate of $5 per 1000 queries. That's well within most research budgets, and certainly within the needs of most individuals.

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (0)

Big Sausage Festival (2645385) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079673)

And how would you create something like his so.cl site or DuckDuckGo with that kind of rate? You'd be burning money really, really fast. Microsoft allows completely free access to the API.

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (1)

Local ID10T (790134) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079841)

And how would you create something like his so.cl site or DuckDuckGo with that kind of rate?

The preferred method is to call (or email) google and ask for free access for your project. Or you could apply to the summer of code [google.com] project and see if you can get google to pay you.

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (3, Informative)

Sarten-X (1102295) | more than 2 years ago | (#40080021)

Completely free, up to 5000 per month, which is still far under anything like DuckDuckGo's needs. For comparison, Google's 100-per-day is 3000 free queries per month. Microsoft's free offering is slightly less ridiculously limited than Google, but neither is usable for a successful site. If your site is popular, you're going to have to pay somebody.

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (2)

Dishevel (1105119) | more than 2 years ago | (#40081255)

Ridiculously limited?
So how much free shit should you be given before it moves up to just limited.

Seems to me that they are both attempting to offer people who want to try out cool little things all the access they would ever need for free.

But if you want them to spend money on power and cooling for 1000 requests per day so that you can make money on their dime they charge for that.

I think that this is a completely fair stance for both companies to take.

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40080061)

Also, note to posters who keep calling bonch a MS shill, he's nothing like one. He's actually a anti-MS, anti-Google, pro-Apple shill.

You know, I see constantly that Bonch is a "pro-Apple shill" yet never actually see any pro-Apple shill posts by him. The only remotely pro-Apple posts I could find in his post history are some recent ones talking about the Apple developer program. He just sounds like some Apple developer who posts on Slashdot, and that pisses off the Linux fans, I guess? I don't get it.

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (0)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079417)

NBC News isn't any better:
Too Hot To Work at a Lingerie Shop? (No I'm just too old.)
http://lifeinc.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/22/11812107-too-hot-to-work-at-a-lingerie-shop?lite [msn.com]

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (1, Insightful)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079845)

Too Hot To Work at a Lingerie Shop? (No I'm just too old.)

http://lifeinc.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/22/11812107-too-hot-to-work-at-a-lingerie-shop?lite [msn.com]

WTF!?!?

If the blonde chick in the article picture is the one asking the question, I think we can all easily answer no!!.

She's too old, ugly face and pudgy to be 'too hot' for anything...especially lingerie. Unless said lingerie was for heavy set women...and even with that...she's not what anyone would say was "hot" upon first glance at her.....ugh!!

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (0)

SadBob (2645421) | more than 2 years ago | (#40081271)

Well that's mostly because all western women are ugly, big and fat. Japanese and Koreans, on the other hand...

There's a reason why Mark Zuzgerberg chose Chinese wife.

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (2)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079463)

I know its MS, but is there really any such thing as bad research? Barring obviously nazi experimentation and whatnot. Maybe it will fail, maybe it will bring something new to the table, maybe it will inspire someone to do something completely different, even if it does fail.

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (2)

ILongForDarkness (1134931) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079557)

It is the privacy side of things that are worrisome I think. Social search sounds great until you forget it is broadcasting and search for something embarrassing.

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (2)

ILongForDarkness (1134931) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079607)

Oh for example in Canada a murder trial just finished and one of the pieces of evidence (that were thrown out on technical grounds) was that the suspect has searched for kiddy rape/porn. Guy admits to being guilty I think (argument was just whether or not he or his girlfriend was the one that came up with the idea and used the hammer), but still say he was innocent but a pervert. Sure get him on the kiddy porn but I'm sure he'd wish they couldn't even find it in the first place since it makes him look like a likely candidate for the murder as well. Social search just adds another layer of potential screw ups leaving incriminating evidence around.

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079865)

It is the privacy side of things that are worrisome I think. Social search sounds great until you forget it is broadcasting and search for something embarrassing.

Really...I mean, would you want to seriously be broadcasting all your pr0n searches!?!?

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40081071)

It is the privacy side of things that are worrisome I think. Social search sounds great until you forget it is broadcasting and search for something embarrassing.

That's probably the reason it will fail in the end, because people will forget or simply don't get it, but I guess that's simply part of the research project (testing it).

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (1)

Local ID10T (790134) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079879)

Microsoft Research [microsoft.com] does some pretty cool stuff...

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079491)

Actually, there's something to be said of Microsoft accusing google of being a "monopoly" and abusing, search, etc when microsoft is doing the *same* thing.

Not that it's mentioned anywhere.

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079547)

Actually, there's something to be said of Microsoft accusing google of being a "monopoly" and abusing, search, etc when microsoft is doing the *same* thing.

Not that it's mentioned anywhere.

What? I know you like to shit on Microsoft in every comment but what are you even blathering about? The integration with Bing search? You think Google will allow integration with Google search?

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (1)

man_of_mr_e (217855) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079601)

Actually, that's kind of the point. Research projects are intended to be shut down, and their results used in real projects later down the line.

That's the entire purpose of Microsoft Research, unlike Wave or Buzz, which are actual failed commercial products.

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40080975)

So what?
Dude, at least Microsoft is still doing some research, they're not trying to market unfinished products disguised as research.
They are spending money in a lot of areas that will end up in nothing as research should do instead of throwing money in the latest, irrelevant, web-scale-ready, cool, social-featured site that will need to have 200% ROI in one year.
This is the difference between the ephemeral dreams in the valley and a company forward thinking for the long term.
Try to understand a little bit more about the project instead of stopping at the headline and making immediately comparisons with an endless list of things. Eventually, you'll realize what is all about.

Re:Another failed social project from Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40081953)

Dude, at least Microsoft is still doing some research, they're not trying to market unfinished products disguised as research.

They save that for their OS...

Collaborative search so.cl (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40079249)

This seems like a fun idea from Microsoft. The data should also be great for researchers who can now dig deeper into looking how people use the internet and search.

You could also help grandma with her searches or even random people if they are struggling with theirs.

It's great they still innovate while Google mostly spends time making their search engine worse. In fact, this should also give Bing competitive edge since it's a good data entry. (like they don't already kick Google's ass, amirite?)

Re:Collaborative search so.cl (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40079411)

Looks like anonymously accusing people of being an anti-Google shill in every story didn't work out, so now you're trying to create the illusion that Slashdot is infiltrated with astroturfers to keep your premise going?

Facebook is still tops (2)

TheGoodNamesWereGone (1844118) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079309)

Yeah, FB jumped the shark a long time ago, and look for it to become even more careless about user privacy now that it's publicly traded. No other network, not even Google+, has been able to knock it down yet though. Myspace died because Facebook was 'cooler'. You can't put that in a bottle. Or, if you think you know how, billions of dollars await you.

Re:Facebook is still tops (1)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079347)

that's why you should surf your porn in a different browser than you normally use. so you don't share it to facebook by accident

Re:Facebook is still tops (2)

ILongForDarkness (1134931) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079635)

My, albeit limited, experience with MySpace is that it is a completely different animal. It is designed as a simple personal website with extras to allow you to interact with your "fans". FB from the ground up was designed to find other people and interact with them. The wall/profile is more of a way of knowing you got the right Melissa Etheridge before you start throwing your tomatoes.

Probably violates Facebook's TOS ... (0)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079325)

users can log in with Facebook or Windows Live IDs

So, you need to provide Microsoft with your login credentials to do this. Brilliant. Bet that violates Facebook's TOS.

I rank that right up there with trusting Facebook with my gmail password so they can find me new friends ... sorry there skippy, but WTF do you think makes me want to trust you with the password to my account? Sure, I believe you when you tell me you won't save it. Oh, wait, I don't.

I have no idea of why I would want Microsoft to allow Facebook to know all of the searches I do on Bing. In fact, I have no idea of who would want this.

This just sounds like one of those solutions in search of a problem.

Re:Probably violates Facebook's TOS ... (2)

snl2587 (1177409) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079381)

It's Facebook Connect, which is a pretty standard login method now...

Re:Probably violates Facebook's TOS ... (1)

Big Sausage Festival (2645385) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079395)

So, you need to provide Microsoft with your login credentials to do this. Brilliant. Bet that violates Facebook's TOS.

You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Facebook Connect goes via Facebook. It's like OpenID. You don't even need to provide your password if you're already logged in.

I have no idea of why I would want Microsoft to allow Facebook to know all of the searches I do on Bing. In fact, I have no idea of who would want this.

Searches from Bing don't count, only from so.cl site. It's made for collaborative searching and discovery.

Re:Probably violates Facebook's TOS ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40079521)

So, you need to provide Microsoft with your login credentials to do this. Brilliant. Bet that violates Facebook's TOS.

You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Facebook Connect goes via Facebook. It's like OpenID. You don't even need to provide your password if you're already logged in.

I have no idea of why I would want Microsoft to allow Facebook to know all of the searches I do on Bing. In fact, I have no idea of who would want this.

Searches from Bing don't count, only from so.cl site. It's made for collaborative searching and discovery.

And you think you have an argument against
  said policies.

It's not worth posting line by line - answering your post.

Giving any information online is opening yourself up to many things. All you Slashdot guys are included. You think you're so smart, but your account will be the death of you.

AC and Proud of it! Because I'm smarter than you!

ACs are the smart ones. Proxy baby!!

Re:Probably violates Facebook's TOS ... (1)

baka_toroi (1194359) | more than 2 years ago | (#40080355)

I'm sure all your brain processing power you use to be paranoid could better serve you if you focus on something more productive

Re:Probably violates Facebook's TOS ... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079537)

You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

Did I know about Facebook Connect? Nope. Do I believe that gives me any more reason to trust in this? Absolutely not.

Then again, I've disabled APIs against my Facebook account ... I don't want every web site I visit to be able to access that information.

You don't even need to provide your password if you're already logged in.

That's the last thing I'd want enabled. Otherwise half of the websites you hit would suddenly have access to my information. Fuck that.

In fact, it sounds incredibly stupid and risky. Because when I think of Microsoft and Facebook, neither of them are making me think "now there's a couple of companies I trust to share my information without me needing to do anything".

This is just another example of companies trying to make their products share information that the users generally probably don't.

Re:Probably violates Facebook's TOS ... (2)

Big Sausage Festival (2645385) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079641)

And you continue jabbering about things you don't know anything about.

It's not automatic. Facebook Connect will popup in a new window, it will tell you what information the site will get and then you have a button where you can login using Facebook.

Google has similar stuff [google.com] , but for Google accounts.

Re:Probably violates Facebook's TOS ... (0)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079947)

And you continue jabbering about things you don't know anything about.

It's Slashdot, that's what we do.

In the mean time, you'll forgive me for not giving a shit if someone with a 7 digit ID and a posting history of all of 6 comments wants to impress us by waving his pecker around.

Now run along.

Re:Probably violates Facebook's TOS ... (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#40080279)

Way to care about shit that matters. He proved you wrong, so you attack him?

Here, attack me instead. I have the same number of digits as you and quite a posting history.

Re:Probably violates Facebook's TOS ... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#40080979)

My point was instead of acting like a douchebag, he could have simply explained his position.

Instead he went straight to being a dick ... so he's not much better than an AC who trolls, and doesn't have enough presence for me to treat him otherwise.

I'm willing to concede I'm wrong. I'm not as willing to listen to some whiny prick who has barely posted anything if he's going to act like an asshole out of the gate.

Re:Probably violates Facebook's TOS ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40080391)

Who raped you and why are you taking it out here?

Re:Probably violates Facebook's TOS ... (3, Informative)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079435)

Not your login information, no. You login through Facebook itself (HTTPS) and it uses some sort of identifier system to verify the login to MS. However, it also lets MS access your name and profile information, especially email address (including friends, although those are supposedly not retained). So no, you don't give MS your login information. You do, however, grant them the right to retain all your searches and use all your public information for any purposes whatsoever, so there is that.

And probably your friend's data too... (2)

thrill12 (711899) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079535)

...which is the biggest problem with many of these schemes: friends giving away other friends' data. Is that term still correct in that case ?

Re:Probably violates Facebook's TOS ... (1)

gstewart (453924) | more than 2 years ago | (#40080113)

It's connecting to Facebook via an FB app. Essentially, it is an FB app that reports back to Microsoft's so.cl servers.

It gains whatever permissions the app has access to, that you provide it access to.

Under the app settings for "so.cl".

This app needs:
        Your email address (your@email.dom)
        Your groups

I have a FB dev account that I added this thing to so I could see what it wanted. It's supposed to be sending me an e-mail "invitation...soon" and it won't let me log into "so.cl" before that. Not sure what's taking it so long.

The only thing it's letting me do is follow them on Twitter while I wait (yeah... right).

Re:Probably violates Facebook's TOS ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40079921)

Do you know what an API is chief?

Re:Probably violates Facebook's TOS ... (1)

strength_of_10_men (967050) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079985)

So I tried logging in by clicking on the "Windows Live" option. A pop-up window appears listing the access and permissions that Socl will need. Makes me leery so I click "NO".

Brix were shat.

Seriously, which summer intern wrote this site?

Broken english error message (4, Insightful)

Dwedit (232252) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079351)

"Open require Javascript, please enable the javascript in your browser and try again"

Sounds like an outsourced job.

Re:Broken english error message (5, Funny)

maztuhblastah (745586) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079595)

Sounds like an outsourced job.

Have you ever been so far as to wanting the Microsoft needful search? With JavaScript, you will experience the very social!

As modern Internet Explorer browser and functionality such as JavaScript support, download and try requested site again. ...

Yeah. About that... I'll leave NoScript on, thanks. :D

I see Frank is searching for nude girls with meat (4, Insightful)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079353)

No.
There are some things about my friends I'd rather not know.

Re:I see Frank is searching for nude girls with me (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079721)

- 1 Offtopic
Hmmm.
A post about a SEARCH on an article about SHARABLE SEARCHES is "offtopic" how?

Re:I see Frank is searching for nude girls with me (1)

baka_toroi (1194359) | more than 2 years ago | (#40080367)

There is no -1 Offbase

I think we can officially diagnose Microsoft... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40079413)

with a bad case of ADHD.

If anyone (2, Funny)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079439)

Dear Mr. Microsoft.

Since you already have penetrated my life so fully, I also want you to have access to a list of my friends and their information too. I know you will never use this information in a bad way, or to profit off of me.

Sincerely, The Ignorant Masses

W00T fp. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40079441)

At my frrelance accounts for less

Site attempts to breach browser security (3, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079453)

Timestamp: 5/22/2012 12:06:38 PM Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Security error" code: "1000" nsresult: "0x805303e8 (NS_ERROR_DOM_SECURITY_ERR)" location: "http://www.so.cl/ Line: 185"]

That site has such intrusive code that Firefox 12 with high security settings won't even display it.

Oh god (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40079485)

It's like someone shit a cheap Chinese knockoff of Google+ all over my screen. What an abomination.

One Rule 34 to Rule them All (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40079499)

I for one welcome automated sharing of the terrible things I search for when bored.

pr0n, not academic use (3, Insightful)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079541)

As students work together, they often search for the same items, and discover new shared interests by sharing links. We see this trend today on many social networks, such as Twitter, where shared links spread virally and amplify popular content.

Yes, the above is true and I'm sure the reader is suppose to think kids are researching academic topics like Dr Martin Luther King Jr's speeches and the metabolic pathways of the TCA cycle, but lets be realistic, its going to be used to search for pr0n. And there's nothing really wrong with that, either.

Do not want! (1)

coinreturn (617535) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079627)

The only thing worse than a search engine knowing everything you've searched for is your social network knowing everything you've searched for.

And in other news... (2)

JohnnyMindcrime (2487092) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079683)

...tickets for the "How many days does Ballmer have left" sweepstake went on sale today.

Share links? wtf? (5, Insightful)

Nyder (754090) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079711)

Seriously, I don't care what my friends are searching, and honestly, knowing some of the shit i search for, I don't want to know what my friends are searching for.

Social Networking is cool, i guess, but seriously, do we fucking need to share everything we do online?

If I find something cool, I can easily tell my friends. I can email them, twitter them, facebook wall it, text them, and probably some other ways also. In fact, it gives me a chance to actually communicate with them, instead them getting some automated message about what I'm doing.

I'm sure all this social stuff is really cool, but really, aren't we going a bit overboard on it? Is this the way to communicate by not actually communicating?

For example:

Joe: "Hey, how is your brother doing, Dave?"
Dave: "According to so.cl, he's got crabs, is looking for a new job, and seems to be interested in Chicks with Dicks."
Joe: "So you haven't actually talked to him lately?"
Dave: "Talk about what? Everything we do is recorded and sent to all my friends, nothing to talk about."

Re:Share links? wtf? (1)

wcrowe (94389) | more than 2 years ago | (#40080151)

No doubt. Social isn't always cool. STDs come to mind.

Re:Share links? wtf? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40081155)

Seriously, I don't care what my friends are searching, and honestly, knowing some of the shit i search for, I don't want to know what my friends are searching for.

I don't think that's the main purpose of the research. I think the main purpose is to see whether there's a way for people to informally collaborate on things by searching and bundling different content of interest for those things they are collaborating on. That's why they kept it closed for so long. Having said so, I don't think it will work. For one reason, exactly because of your reaction: most people will think that the main purpose is to peek into other people interests by looking at their searches and that gets immediately boring. As for the main purpose, people already collaborate using a lot of other means and I don't see any real value proposition in this stuff.

I suspect... (0)

bbbaldie (935205) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079741)

...that Internet Explorer will be required to participate. @_o

RE: "so.cl" (3, Funny)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079929)

anybody else first pronounced it in their head as "Suckle"?

Re: "so.cl" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40080795)

anybody else first pronounced it in their head as "Suckle"?

no

SOCl2 I read (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40081685)

Which is quite an obnoxious chemical... thionyl chloride.

Oh boy. (2)

JustAnotherIdiot (1980292) | more than 2 years ago | (#40079953)

Another contender for the world's most empty social network.

plus 2@, Troll) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40080019)

Why? (2)

wcrowe (94389) | more than 2 years ago | (#40080143)

I have two questions:

1. Why would I want to share my search results with everyone?

and more importantly,

2. Why would I want everyone to share their search results with me?

Now if they could fix update loop for .net update (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40080173)

Now if they could just fix their crap software. All my XP machines at home are stuck in update loops for 3 updates.

Research shows this to be a chronic problem for microsoft.
 

Re:Now if they could fix update loop for .net upda (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40080423)

Now if they could just fix their crap software. All my XP machines at home are stuck in update loops for 3 updates.

lol @ you expecting Microsoft to address software issues in a decade-old operating system. Also, lol @ you for having more than one XP machine (or at this point, more than zero) at home.

Re:Now if they could fix update loop for .net upda (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | more than 2 years ago | (#40081059)

Now if they could just fix their crap software. All my XP machines at home are stuck in update loops for 3 updates.

lol @ you expecting Microsoft to address software issues in a decade-old operating system. Also, lol @ you for having more than one XP machine (or at this point, more than zero) at home.

To be fair, my relative's brand new Toshiba notebook w/ Win7 has such update error loop problems. User error? Nope, I restored to factory default and did nothing but update, several fail, then it goes into an update loop. I thought it was due to OEM crapware, so after haggling on the phone with support about giving us a clean OS (which they couldn't do), we bought a very expensive version of Win7 (Note: we already have a license w/ the PC purchase). Fresh install, same issue. After a certain update it just gets stuck in a cycle. The PC is usable if we turn off the updates, or ignore that the OS isn't getting patched...

... fortunately, my years of simple explanations of security bugs paid off: coders make errors, malware exploits errors, patches fix errors -- no patches = no security. So, we installed GNU/Linux and they've never had a problem in the past year and a half. The UI learning curve was actually less going from XP to Gnome2 than XP to W7. Now, when my family calls me it's just to talk, there's no hidden "oh, by the way I screwed up my computer again" motives.

Furthermore, after the install, the OS already had the majority of the updates and was fully up to date in about 10min of updates (no reboot), unlike with Windows which took several hours and multiple reboots before it even failed to patch.

lol @ BSA members wondering why people pirate their shite software -- It's not really worth the asking price.
lol @ me replying to AC -- Meh, my code's compiling...

Another failed group of Slashdot comments (2)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | more than 2 years ago | (#40080425)

Insert generic "Microsoft sucks" comment.

Seriously guys?

Regardless of whether so.cl succeeds or fails, by having another "giant" enter the social networking arena will drive up innovation.

When Google released Google+, yes we can agree that its kind of stillborn and lacking, but if forced Facebook to innovate and provide additional features. Google+ then also followed suit by making its features better.

I have no doubt that Microsoft is capable of doing a few things better then the rest, so if those things are disruptive to the way the current "standards" deliver social networking, then it will be a win for everyone when social networking improves as a whole.

Lets put it this way, Google, Apple and Facebook are ALL paying close attention. Its the reason why the are billion dollar companies and you drive a used Corolla, they don't just say "Microsoft sucks" and move on, they made something better.

Sure its easy and safe to say that Microsoft does not have a chance to displace Facebook, or even Google+, but this is only a research project and I think a few ideas will most likely trickle their way into Facebook and Google+ and social networking in general. Its interesting to see their take on social networking and foolish to assume they are completely irrelevant.

Re:Another failed group of Slashdot comments (2)

Nyder (754090) | more than 2 years ago | (#40080497)

Insert generic "Microsoft sucks" comment.

Seriously guys?

Regardless of whether so.cl succeeds or fails, by having another "giant" enter the social networking arena will drive up innovation.

...

Really? Seems to me it's just another example of MS trying to get on a bandwagon once again, since they are always late to the party. And having searches shared with friends isn't innovation, it's fucking creepy.

Re:Another failed group of Slashdot comments (1)

bbbaldie (935205) | more than 2 years ago | (#40080705)

LOL, name one MS innovation in the last three years that hasn't turned out to be a joke. A BAD joke.

Re:Another failed group of Slashdot comments (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40081185)

"You must be new here".

Terrible name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40080551)

Shared searches with your friends?

would have prefer sear.cl :)

Bunch of useless clods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40081057)

"Oh no the popcorn man is asking me money for popcorns" really people do you ever think that the only reason FB, G+, Twitter, ... is free is because they use all your data as THEY see fit. After you register everything you do in their system is theirs, so if you don't want that you simply don't register.

Something (1)

hey (83763) | more than 2 years ago | (#40081183)

Something has to replace Facebook. Not this but something has to. I am sure most Slashdotters would prefer some open/free/libre thing. Where is it?!

If Google did this? (1)

dgharmon (2564621) | more than 2 years ago | (#40081833)

If Google did this would it be an invasion of our privacy?

Bing Minus “cut off Facebook’s air sup (4, Funny)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 2 years ago | (#40081875)

YESLER WAY, Seattle,, Saturday (MSBBC) — Microsoft today stealth-released its new social network, Bing Minus [newstechnica.com] , automatically adding every person in the world still using Internet Explorer, such as your mother.

The Bing Minus software was distributed Friday morning in an automatic urgent mandatory critical Windows security update. It will also be available on Windows Phone 7 and BlackBerry.

“Social networking is the new primary focus Microsoft is betting the business on,” said CEO Steve Ballmer, defining “the business” as “my job.” “It’s already banned in China!” he proudly declared, although Chinese contacts deny this. Productivity has also increased in offices containing Bing Minus users.

Bloggers and tweeters are already swapping tips on how not to obtain Bing Minus invitations every time you click on anything whatsoever in IE or Windows itself.

“Facebook is definitely quaking in its boots. Who are users going to want to give all their information to, Facebook or Microsoft? I think the choice is obvious.”

Ballmer looks forward to a bright future for Bing Minus. “Whatever happens,” he said, “it’s going to suck less than Buzz.”

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