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Groups Launch $200M Gigabit-per-second Broadband Project

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the greased-lightning dept.

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alphadogg writes "An Ohio startup company has raised $200 million to fund gigabit-per-second broadband projects in six university communities across the U.S., the company announced Wednesday. Gigabit Squared will work with the University Community Next Generation Innovation Project (Gig.U), a coalition of 30 universities focused on improved broadband, to select six communities in which to build the ultra-fast broadband networks, they said. The two organizations will select winning communities between November and the first quarter of 2013, Mark Ansboury, president of Gigabit Squared, said. The new project comes at an important time, when many commercial broadband providers have stopped deploying next-generation networks, said Blair Levin, executive director of Gig.U and lead author of the FCC's 2010 national broadband plan."

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I hate niggers (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40098523)

I really, really, really hate them.

Even the president's one now. Damn.

Re:I hate niggers (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40098549)

But do niggers use Gamemaker? If so, they're forgiven for being niggers.

Return to Gamemakerdom today!

Re:I hate niggers (-1, Offtopic)

Mexifries (938371) | more than 2 years ago | (#40098585)

Wow, what an odd pastime, troll racial comments on tech sites lol. What I AM curious about, thought, is how our IT/Programmer brethren of a darker skin tone feel when they see this kind of crap. Can you just ignore it? I know it gets me sick and tired of seeing it, even if it IS just some idiot wasting his own time..

Re:I hate niggers (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40098655)

maybe its been done so much that desensitisation alleviates any frustration.

Re:I hate niggers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40100349)

how our IT/Programmer brethren of a darker skin tone feel when they see this kind of crap

I hate to admit this. But I've worked in programmer for years and can honestly say I've never met a black programmer. Asian, definitely. Hispanic, a few, yes.

Re:I hate niggers (1)

CimmerianX (2478270) | more than 2 years ago | (#40101213)

Don't feed the troll. And, for the record, I have met and worked with many talented African American programmers.

The color of one's skin is not a measure of the quality of the checked-n code.

Re:I hate niggers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40103925)

how did you know it was africa?

I'm sure the students will appreciate the speed... (-1, Flamebait)

gtvr (1702650) | more than 2 years ago | (#40098573)

What are they going to use it for, pron & torrents?

Re:I'm sure the students will appreciate the speed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40098687)

ray tracing in the clouds...

Re:I'm sure the students will appreciate the speed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40098711)

Im sure the students appreciate the campus dormitories, what will they use them for? pron & parties?

Surelly nothing else and those are a waste of money.

Re:I'm sure the students will appreciate the speed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40098771)

Those grapes were probably sour anyway.

Re:I'm sure the students will appreciate the speed (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 2 years ago | (#40098961)

3d holograms when we have a genius that comes up with the real time compression algorithms.

Re:I'm sure the students will appreciate the speed (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 2 years ago | (#40098963)

yes, all holograms are 3d. So stop your surly post right there...

Re:I'm sure the students will appreciate the speed (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#40101331)

Before you get digital holograms you're going to need a hell of a lot better screen resolution (at least as good as film) to display them. And the screen will need an LCD display backlit by lasers.

Re:I'm sure the students will appreciate the speed (2)

fa2k (881632) | more than 2 years ago | (#40098975)

What are they going to use it for, pron & torrents?

Sometimes it's very convenient to have a fast connection for research purposes. I'm a physics student, and if I need to analyse some data at home, I have the choice between downloading a data file (anywhere from 100 kB to 40 GB) and processing it locally or using some kind of remote desktop, e.g. networked X11. Having a fast connection would mean that I don't have to do something else while waiting for it to download / display.

That said, for my first year I did live in university accommodation, and the connection was very fast. The problem was that they had some lame traffic shaping / blocking system that for example blocked me from accessing my home directory (AFS). So this could be a great help to students, but they should keep blocking to a minimum to avoid interfering with research.

Superb value (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 2 years ago | (#40098677)

Groups Launch $200M Gigabit-per-second Broadband Project

200M Gigabits per second for a dollar - That's 200 petabits a second. I'll have that

Hollywood Trembles (1)

glorybe (946151) | more than 2 years ago | (#40098709)

Download a full length movie in Twelve seconds. Hollywood will have a hissy fit for sure. Thank God for the huge hard drives now for sale.

Re:Hollywood Trembles (2)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 2 years ago | (#40098739)

Ah, but you're missing the catch. The service imposes a 2Gb cap, after that you're throttled down to EDGE speeds.

Re:Hollywood Trembles (1)

stephanruby (542433) | more than 2 years ago | (#40104335)

So assuming your edge speed is already 75 kbps, your maximum average speed over the entire month will be less than 75.8 kilobytes per second (is my calculation correct?).

For most existing University students, that represents a significant decrease in service. So hopefully, that means they're only just planning to scam their investors of out of millions/billions of dollars, and not the Universities themselves.

Re:Hollywood Trembles (1)

Covalent (1001277) | more than 2 years ago | (#40098993)

+1 insightful. When Napster first appeared, many many people were still using dial-up. This limited the impact, and even then the RIAA was having a hissy-fit. Fight as they might, downloading became the default method for obtaining music (legally and illegally).

Fast forward 15 years and internet speeds are now sufficient to do the same with movies. MPAA will have a similar hissy-fit, but I think it's safe to assume that in 5 years, downloading will become the default method for obtaining movies (legally and illegally).

Re:Hollywood Trembles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40104175)

It basically already is...

Re:Hollywood Trembles (1)

hobarrera (2008506) | more than 2 years ago | (#40145433)

15 years? We already have the necessary speed.

Is "squared" the new "book"? (1)

A nonymous Coward (7548) | more than 2 years ago | (#40098755)

I should trademark "squaredbook" and "booksquared".

I2 (3, Insightful)

l3v1 (787564) | more than 2 years ago | (#40098799)

What about Internet2 (internet2.edu)?

Re:I2 (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 2 years ago | (#40098941)

I've been involved with Internet2 in an ancillary way in the past (university departments I've been involved with have been involved with it somewhat, but what I did I wasn't directly involved) and my personal opinion is that isn't even close to what we need for "future" networking. I'm not expert and I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong, but Internet2 seems to be centralized and if that is the case it's the exact opposite of what we need for any sort of next generation network. Another problem is that Inter-networking isn't something where you would ever want a clear incompatible "next generation" anyway. Providing gateways between different network and network types is one of the things the Internet is all about, IMHO.

Re:I2 (4, Interesting)

grommit (97148) | more than 2 years ago | (#40099061)

I2 is meant for transmitting huge amounts of research data like black hole simulations between universities and other research institutions. GigU is meant to connect residential communities in the areas surrounding the member universities so they have access to fast broadband.

Re:I2 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40099419)

Is that so? Well, I just expelled a little tooty right out of my own anus. What do you think of that?

Re:I2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40101017)

"Hole simulations..." You mean, like high-resolution Goatse images?

won't help much (1)

gsgriffin (1195771) | more than 2 years ago | (#40098901)

Except with torrents. Enter throttling from Web servers to make sure these users don't squeeze out the slow people like me at only 30Mbs. I still have trouble finding places online that even allow my connection to run at its full potential.

Re:won't help much (1)

PlusFiveTroll (754249) | more than 2 years ago | (#40098965)

Oh, I'd love to have gig fiber at a number of businesses that run intra-city VPNs. Any number of businesses have sites that generate more data then can easily be sent with current broadband, just across town. I could switch from any number of fixed wireless links, or at least leave them around just for backup.

Re:won't help much (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40099121)

Just get them to move to Chattanooga!

Gig fiber connections available.

Re:won't help much (4, Insightful)

Shinobi (19308) | more than 2 years ago | (#40099055)

That depends a bit on where you download from/what part of the world you're in. I'm in Sweden, with a 100Mbit/s downstream, and I often reach 11.5MiB/s from websites, doing game updates etc even during peak times(Most Swedish ISP's don't work like US ISP's, so forget most of the conceptions you have gotten from using US ISP's). Most torrents fail to reach that speed, due to seeders being, well... bittorrent users...

One big problem, in the nordic countries, is some CDN's being cheapskates. If a file happens to be hosted on both Akamai and LimeLight Networks, the Akamai download will be 3MiB/s at best(which is rarely), while the LLNW download will reach 11.5MiB/s even at peak. You can also tell when Windows Update points you to a LLNW CDN, rather than Akamai, because updates download much faster.

Thus the irony of Akamai's State of the Internet report, when they are one of the speed bumps....

Re:won't help much (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40099403)

Enter throttling from Web servers to make sure these users don't squeeze out the slow people like me at only 30Mbs

Modern TCP stacks are pretty good at being fair. I find the biggest issue for web-page loading isn't bandwidth, but latency. HTTP2.0 should help make use of higher bandwidth connections, but that's in the future.

Fast is great, gigabit not necessary (2)

fa2k (881632) | more than 2 years ago | (#40099063)

It makes a huge difference to go beyond 100 Mbit, but many systems can't handle a full gigabit. Also, many servers can serve exactly one client at 1 Gbit. I wish 10 Gig became more common and cheap, so most servers could use it. With a single SSD you could serve a few clients at gigabit speeds.

Re:Fast is great, gigabit not necessary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40099185)

The good news is Intel claims 10Gb will become really cheap with 22nm and smaller tech. I guess 22nm seems to naturally allow those kinds of speed with little tweaking. They claim 10Gb integrated NICs in the next ~5 years. That should mean cheap dedicated cards even sooner. It will take a bit for large switch/router manufacturers to clear out old stock, but hopefully their prices come down soon also.

Re:Fast is great, gigabit not necessary (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40099315)

Server boards are already shipping with on-board 10GbE. Intel's new twinville controller offers a single chip 10G-baseT solution (RJ45 copper connections). We need the switch vendors to catch up but the future looks promising.

10 gigabit is taking some time to get cheap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40100531)

1 gigabit ethernet has been cheap for nearly a decade. 10 gigabit ethernet is still expensive. I remember checking the price 10 gigabit ethernet back in 2008, and the price was supposed to come down a lot in the next 5 years.... except it has not fallen. I still think there should be a cheaper 2.5 gigabit ethernet.

Re:Fast is great, gigabit not necessary (1)

slazzy (864185) | more than 2 years ago | (#40100401)

I think it's kind of a chicken and egg situation. Once there are more clients with 100 MBPS + , hosting companies will be getting more demand for faster servers and connections. On the other hand, if more websites were capable of serving downloads at faster speeds there would be more demand for faster home connections... It has to start somewhere.

I will hit my Comcast limit in 5 minutes :( (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40099855)

Then my internet will be shut off for the rest of the month. Scumbag GB/s networks.

Re:I will hit my Comcast limit in 5 minutes :( (1)

compro01 (777531) | more than 2 years ago | (#40100153)

Nah, it'll take you at least 16 minutes to hit the cap.

Re:I will hit my Comcast limit in 5 minutes :( (1)

omnichad (1198475) | more than 2 years ago | (#40100319)

Your Comcast cap is 37GB?

Gigabit FTTH already in parts of Minneapolis (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40100109)

Gigabit FTTH already in parts of Minneapolis
They are laying fiber right now.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/minneapolis-st-paul/1550846-us-internet-fiber-optic-service-minneapolis.html

Re:Gigabit FTTH already in parts of Minneapolis (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40100299)

Many universities in Europe have had 1 Gbit internet for more than 10 years, even the students have 1Gbit access right to their dorms now. What the hell, is this? The biggest surprise here is that there are still universities without internet backbones.

You know the internet was BUILT on top of military and university networks, sitting right on top of the backbone of the internet means that the only limiting factor for the internet at most universities is their own infrastructure. Since 1Gbit ethernet became cheap hardware everyone on top of a backbone has access to 1Gbit internet, with a fiber you get even higher speeds.

already starting at University of Maine (2)

sunhou (238795) | more than 2 years ago | (#40100233)

Private telecomm company GWI has already announced plans with the University of Maine (also part of Gig.U) to do this in the nearby Orono and Old Town communities [networkworld.com] .

I'm curious to see the outcome a few years down the road, how it really affects anything.

Fiber to home or (2)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | more than 2 years ago | (#40101049)

Fiber to Gated Communities? I suspect only the already well-to-do enclaves near 'leet unis will be the only beneficiaries for some time, such as Palo Alto, Research Triangle, Ann Arbor... Grambling State? NDSU? Don't hold your breath.

Will they do it aboveground-only, though? (1)

Sosarian Avatar (2509846) | more than 2 years ago | (#40105531)

According to Sonic.net, the ISP that performed the fiber installation for Google in part of San Francisco and now is rolling it out in the North Bay, adding wires underground is costly/difficult enough that they'll only include neighborhoods/homes with existing above-ground wires for the foreseeable future. I wonder whether the same will apply to the Google Gig/sec project as well, and whether they'd then opt to exclude entire universities based on surrounding community wiring, or upgrade connections for students in some neighborhoods/buildings but not others (which could lead to unpleasant disparities if older housing costs a great deal more, as it does here).

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