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Are Porn and Video Games Ruining a Generation?

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the won't-somebody-think-of-the-manchildren dept.

Editorial 1034

silentbrad writes "An editorial published at CNN is titled 'The Demise of Guys: How Videogames and Porn are Ruining a Generation.' It makes the sensationalized case that not only do game addiction and porn addiction share similar characteristics, but they're also both damaging to young men, destroying their ability to connect with women, and therefore threatening the future of our entire species. A response by IGN dissects the idea that pornography and videogames are pretty much the same thing. 'The article, by psychologist Philip G. Zimbardo and Nikita Duncan argues that young men are "hooked on arousal, sacrificing their schoolwork and relationships in the pursuit of getting a tech-based buzz."' Zimbardo, has danced this jig before. At the Long Beach TED conference last year he told a delighted audience that "guys are wiping out socially with girls and sexually with women." He added that young men have been so zombiefied by games and porn that they are unable to function in basic human interactions. "It's a social awkwardness like a stranger in a foreign land", he said. "They don't know what to say. They don't know what to do."'"

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Well, if they're going to generalize, I am too (5, Funny)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112539)

Why is it that every psychologist I've ever met was much crazier than their patients?

Re:Well, if they're going to generalize, I am too (1)

ZeroSumHappiness (1710320) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112581)

So. Much. Win.

Re:Well, if they're going to generalize, I am too (5, Insightful)

Reverand Dave (1959652) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112609)

That's why the became psychologists in the first place. They hope to fix the world because they identify so closely with the defects they see in everyone else.

Re:Well, if they're going to generalize, I am too (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112707)

That's why the became psychologists in the first place. They hope to fix the world because they identify so closely with the defects they see in everyone else.

No. People go into that field with the hopes of fixing themselves - at least that's what motivated my crazy friends and family who are in that field.

Re:Well, if they're going to generalize, I am too (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112625)

A friend of mine took some psychology classes "to understand what's wrong with me."
The ones who get their answers quickly finish their degree in some other field, only the ones who have a lot of issues go for the psych degree.

Re:Well, if they're going to generalize, I am too (5, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112633)

I took an undergrad psychology class in the '70s (it was either that or sociology), and the instructor once said something similar to what you just wrote (he also said there wasn't a psychologist alive that there wasn't another psychologist calling him a gold-studded liar).

Like we haven't had porn and games since Ugg and his brother scrawled dirty pictures on the cave wall and played "hit the target with this rock."

This is as bad as the patent office. "But this is different! It's on a COMPUTER!!!"

Re:Well, if they're going to generalize, I am too (2)

orthancstone (665890) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112977)

Like we haven't had porn and games since Ugg and his brother scrawled dirty pictures on the cave wall and played "hit the target with this rock."

This is as bad as the patent office. "But this is different! It's on a COMPUTER!!!"

Brilliant!

Re:Well, if they're going to generalize, I am too (4, Insightful)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112653)

It's a form of confirmation bias. It's the sensationalist dolts that make it to the news, so that's why it seems we have to put up with such a high concentration of them. It's not just in psychology.

Re:Well, if they're going to generalize, I am too (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112935)

This is why the field of robotics is represented by Kevin Warwick, AKA Captain Cyborg.

Re:Well, if they're going to generalize, I am too (4, Funny)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112719)

Why is it that every psychologist I've ever met was much crazier than their patients?

Well, whats wrong with a crazy psych? At least they are experienced.

It's those real sane ones that suck, they don't know how to relate to their patients.

Re:Well, if they're going to generalize, I am too (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112787)

The mother of one of my ex-girlfriends was a child psychologist, and the girlfriend turned out to be a complete psycho. I'm sure it's not unrelated.

Re:Well, if they're going to generalize, I am too (3, Funny)

oneiros27 (46144) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112945)

My former boss's wife was working on her psych major -- she explained everyone in her class was basically trying to figure out what was wrong with them.

And that's not to say that Heather didn't have quirks, either -- she had an obsession for buying stuff at auctions ... especially jewlery and shiny things ... but she never wore jewelry ... and then she found eBay, and it was all downhill from there. (this was the late 1990s)

Re:Well, if they're going to generalize, I am too (4, Insightful)

Eil (82413) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112965)

Psychologists don't have patients.

Everybody knows... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112573)

...the species isn't worth it.

If they really are wiping out generations... (2)

suso (153703) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112667)

then what we really need is a few deer hunter MMOs.

Re:If they really are wiping out generations... (4, Funny)

berashith (222128) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112873)

I wipe generations off of my stomach every day!

THE SOLUTION IS: GET WOMEN INTO PORN AND GAMING !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112575)

Oh, wait, they already are !!

totally untrue (5, Funny)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112583)

This is totally untrue. I can easily falsify by point out that it it WERE true that Slashdot would be filled with socially awkward men who don't know how to talk to women and live in their parents' basement.

Re:totally untrue (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112737)

That is...false?!

Re:totally untrue (1)

del_diablo (1747634) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112767)

The majority is in upper middleclass and is married?

Re:totally untrue (5, Funny)

medv4380 (1604309) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112805)

So where does that leave me. I'm a happily married father, and my father lives in my basement.

Re:totally untrue (4, Funny)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112885)

So where does that leave me. I'm a happily married father, and my father lives in my basement.

It leaves you liable when your father's kiddie-porn is discovered by the feds.

What I am waiting for..... (4, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112587)

The Porn Video Games. we have not had any good ones for over a decade! And Duke Nukem Forever was not porn unless you are a right wing extremist.

Us zombies demand good porn video games! And PLEASE have it voiced by Ron Jeremey!

Re:What I am waiting for..... (4, Funny)

s_p_oneil (795792) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112661)

I hear you may be able to find what you're looking for if you're willing to learn Japanese.

Re:What I am waiting for..... (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112757)

Those are just highly evolved graphic choose-your-own-adventure novels. Calling them a game is a stretch.

Re:What I am waiting for..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112993)

now someone just needs to write a game that uses MS's Kinect system and requires a real girl to be in the room to control the game.

Then you could have porn, video games, and survival of the species all combined...

Been there, done that (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112591)

It's just like that horrid rock and roll music, it's ruining the entire generation

huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112595)

Dafuq did I just read?

Well... (2)

dubsnipe (1822200) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112601)

Last time I checked, people were still having sex. Our species is safe for now.

Dilemma (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112605)

Stay at home and play video games and then beat off to porn, or go out in public and get my wallet drained by a woman who has only contempt for me. Tough choice.

Re:Dilemma (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112803)

Yeah, really. Is it really porn and video games or are women just making so much work any more that it's just not worth it?

Picture demonstrates (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112607)

The first photo of kids gaming with n64 controllers on the article demonstrates how current and knowledgeable the person is on current gaming trends. I couldn't find any classic porn photos though.

Oh well, ill just ask my girlfriend to get naked for me.

Your girlfriend? (1)

mevets (322601) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112681)

Is her name Siri?

If the title's a question, the answer is always (5, Funny)

tocsy (2489832) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112613)

No.

Re:If the title's a question, the answer is always (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112971)

This isn't funny, dammit. It's INSIGHTFUL.

What are good relationships made of? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112615)

What makes a good relationship is a fucked up question.

You can answer what made the relationship between person x and person y work, but only the past tense. You won't know until it happens.

Some say that sex ruins relationships. When my wife and I met we were only concerned with one thing, sex. We have been together for 15 years with only one short separation and sex is still a cornerstone of our relationship.

Dear God no... (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112619)

hooked on arousal...

I can stop any time I want.

No chance of ruining the species... (1, Flamebait)

dada21 (163177) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112623)

...recent Western culture has shown that a higher percentage of men have become fathers in the past few generations than before that.

As more and more males become adjusted to the instant high of popular culture, we'll just return to the times when a tinier percentage of men were having all the babies.

Marriage is already on a decline, in some races good husbands are hard to find so women have more biracial babies, and the powerful men won't stop spreading their seed.

Does it matter to me if the weak male class doesn't have kids? Hell no -- and they make good employees, too. Maybe better ones.

Re:No chance of ruining the species... (4, Funny)

idontgno (624372) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112733)

Does it matter to me if the weak male class doesn't have kids? Hell no -- and they make good employees, too. Maybe better ones.

I dunno. They both have their encumbrances. Daddy says "Sorry, can't work late, gotta watch Junior." Non-daddy says "Sorry, can't work late, gotta raid."

This is good news (1)

s_p_oneil (795792) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112629)

This is good news. It means more for the rest of us.

And the Female side of things? (5, Insightful)

dryriver (1010635) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112637)

You could just as easily argue that women who look at cute catpics and stupid youtube cats/dogs/makeup videos are also becoming "socially inept". Why is it always the "guy side" that is "doing it wrong"? --------------

Re:And the Female side of things? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112855)

Because straight women and gay men are the rulers of the sex kingdom. It doesn't matter how fucked up, fat, or ugly they are, they can always get laid.

Re:And the Female side of things? (5, Insightful)

Piata (927858) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112869)

Men have been in the wrong since the women's lib movement. We are going to continue being in the wrong until our entire sex is demoralized and demonized to the point that we will never attempt to do anything beyond watch porn and play video games.

Re:And the Female side of things? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112903)

mod parent insightful.

Re:And the Female side of things? (4, Insightful)

sa666_666 (924613) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112917)

Because the male is always wrong in current society; didn't you get the memo? Of course this pervasive attitude couldn't possibly be related to why many men consider women (and relationships) not worth the effort, could it??

Social exclusion (5, Insightful)

Ironchew (1069966) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112643)

Social exclusion is widely employed by American culture and is meant to be a punishment, but video games and porn, among other things, route around that. Authoritarians are now angry that the punishment no longer works.

Past generations were already ruined (1)

LateArthurDent (1403947) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112645)

The past generations were already ruined, thanks to Elvis and his gyrating hips.

Re:Past generations were already ruined (5, Insightful)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112915)

. . . and before that, they were ruined by Jazz music . . . and in the 60's by LSD . . . marijuana in the 70's . . . cocaine in the 80's . . . Grunge music in the 90's . . . the Internet in the 00's . . .

Basically, anything a generation is doing for fun, is ruining them.

You can't blame games and porn (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112647)

I come from an older generation and I've been socially awkward since long before I had easy access to games and porn.

Re:You can't blame games and porn (2)

jzu (74789) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112927)

Me too. Does that mean an entire generation will become what I am now? How scary.

Re:You can't blame games and porn (1)

localman57 (1340533) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112955)

The funny thing is, I think even porn used to be more social. When I started college, the only porn you could get off the internet was either text, or uuencoded binaries on usenet, and you had to do it on the downlow from a terminal in the lab, then ftp them to a floppy through a handful of DOS machines that had network access.. Decoding them was a major pain at the time. The moving porn in the dorm was all on video tape. And there weren't that many, even in the whole dorm, so you passed them around.

More Corn Flakes! (3, Funny)

Surazal (729) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112655)

Clearly we need to be feeding the youth of America more Corn Flakes, since they have been scientifically proven to subdue the carnal desires of young men and reduce their masturbational tendencies!

Re:More Corn Flakes! (4, Informative)

idontgno (624372) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112801)

If you want your old-timey exhortation to have the true flavor, you'd use "Onanistic" instead of "masturbational". The latter word wasn't spoken by polite society, while the former is both Biblical and very popular in the actual anti-masturbation propaganda of the time you're hearkening back to.

Very good parody other than that, though. I hope.

Maybe they're looking at it the wrong way around? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112669)

Maybe most girls haven't adapted to the socializing of new digital age :P

Re:Maybe they're looking at it the wrong way aroun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112895)

Girls have adapted just fine and now cast a wide net on Facebook & dating sites rather than settling for the nearest porn-addicted videogamer.

Wold Population (1)

SuperCharlie (1068072) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112677)

It seems to disagree with your hypothesis.

Last I checked... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112679)

I play video games and watch porn all the time. 122 hours of video games for the past month.

I can still function like a human being. Pretty well, in fact.

Philip Zimbardo (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112683)

This is the same Philip Zimbardo who is infamous for the Stamford Experiment in which he placed university students into a jailhouse environment and allowed it to descend into chaos. Whilst it could be argued he's at the top of his field it could equally be argued that he's an idiot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Zimbardo)

Re:Philip Zimbardo (5, Funny)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112999)

This is the same Philip Zimbardo who is infamous for the Stamford Experiment in which he placed university students into a jailhouse environment and allowed it to descend into chaos. Whilst it could be argued he's at the top of his field it could equally be argued that he's an idiot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Zimbardo)

The only way you could argue he's at the top of his field is to define the entire field as a clusterfuck of pseudo-science performed by mentally unstable morons who believe their own bullshit.

Oh wait.

Don't know what to say? (1)

stevegee58 (1179505) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112687)

A little advice from one generation to another:

I found that "hey baby" works reasonably well. Unoriginal, yes, but generally effective.

Re:Don't know what to say? (2)

Scarletdown (886459) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112881)

A little advice from one generation to another:

I found that "hey baby" works reasonably well. Unoriginal, yes, but generally effective.

Nowadays, like most anything else you might open with (possibly even a sincere hello if it is accompanied by even a polite friendly smile), there are good odds that your line may be construed as sexual harassment.

This is interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112691)

I don't know what to say. I feel so...awkward.

Zimbardo's alarmist but there are real differences (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112693)

As the parent of a teenage boy, I have to say Zimbardo's not entirely wrong. It's just that he's sensationalizing the issue - which, to his credit, he admits in his TED talk.

These kids are different and the opposite sex reacts differently to them simply because of the incredible web of distance communication they swim in.

My generation went outside every day. I make my kids go outside every day, too - and you know what? They are all alone out there. They see more deer, fox and geese than other kids, and I live in the suburbs, less than a mile from a shopping complex! Nature's creeping back in, more every day, and the kids lurk inside like vampires out of the sun.

These days my kids finally have their own phones, so they rarely look up from the screens any more, even when they are outside. The only reason that took so long is that I insisted they legally buy their own phones and pay their own bills.

One of the weirdest things about all this, is that my kids are the most physically capable of kicking some other kids' asses in their whole peer group, and also the least likely to try. I'm pretty sure the first part of that is my doing, but I don't know about the second part.

Symptom not the disease (4, Insightful)

avandesande (143899) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112699)

Has the dismantling of our patriarchal society has something to do with it? Maybe young men are 'checking out', be it games, porn, drugs whatever.....

Good for me (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112725)

Take it from me, college ladies. You'd have way more fun with me, a 32 year old who can hold a conversation AND I'm prepared to demonstrate what's called the "classy fuck." You won't get that from "Reese" or whatever his stupid 90's name is. Seriously, I'm here to help.

alarmist and overgeneralized? yes. but also true. (5, Insightful)

Ionized (170001) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112735)

while we are at no risk of extinction (from social awkwardness anyway), and while there are plenty of well-adjusted guys playing porn and watching video games (or maybe its the other way around), there is a lot more truth to the story than many here would like to admit.

playing video games and watching porn IS a much easier and more fulfilling way to spend your time than getting shot down by girls from school. boys ARE socializing less and withdrawing more.

when i have kids, i can guarantee you that the amount of time they spend playing video games or surfing the web will be very closely watched. and they damn well won't have either of those things in their bedroom.

i don't think that porn or video games are inherently unhealthy, but i do think that they are potentially addictive in the same way that many other things are - things I would want to keep tabs on my child's access to and use of.

Methinks he doth protest too much... (1)

eagee (1308589) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112739)

I mean, we always want to blame our failures on something...

I'd wait for some actual research (4, Insightful)

Trepidity (597) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112745)

Just because someone did something famous some decades ago doesn't mean all their pronouncements in an op-ed count as science. It's an interesting hypothesis, but note the distinct lack of peer-reviewed papers mentioned in the article on the subject (the article mentions some peer-reviewed papers in vaguely related areas, like the big debate over violence in videogames, but nothing on this new hypothesis). It could turn out to have some truth to it; could turn out not to. It will probably turn out to be more complex than this op-ed indicates, in any case.

In short, wait for actual science. Until then it's just some speculation.

I'm pretty sure it's the other way around... (2)

Zapotek (1032314) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112747)

And by that I mean that guys who aren't that social in the first place can now at least get some interaction with others via games and get more comfortable with sexual matters via porn.
But no...it can't be that. We better start ringing the town bells on the word of a bunch of repressed pseudo-doctors.

quote (5, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112751)

...destroying their ability to connect with women, and therefore threatening the future of our entire species.

For 20,000 years, men have been busy beating each other and other animals to a pulp, engaging in risky behaviors, being generally anti-social, and treating women like dirt. If they're playing video games and watching porn instead of those things, I think we're going to be just fine, thanks.

And as for being unable to connect with women, they haven't been able to do that since we crawled down from the trees. Somehow, dick still manages to meet vagina. People will keep having sex no matter how bad it is, because bad sex is worse than no sex... and really, if you're going to be a straight woman, once you've weaned yourself off Disney propaganda, your standards drop dramatically. Look at how many of us married fat dudes who beach themselves on couches.

The human species is in no danger of going extinct... despite yearly predictions of the end of the world. Which is disappointing really... it means I'll probably have to pay back my student loans. -_-

Why does this populist shit still get posted here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112753)

This is obviously written for the typical ranting grandpa and always-afraid housewife type, who are afraid of the new, and rather than understanding it, like to bitch with their armchair analysis from the outside.

I suppose.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112755)

we need more women playing games and starring in porn. Wait, who writes this crap.

Just jealous (4, Funny)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112775)

I ditched my G/F, bought a second flat panel, and can play Diablo III while watching pr0n at the same. What's the problem again?

As always... (3, Insightful)

Sarten-X (1102295) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112777)

Kids today and their video games! And their rock music! And their short leggings! And their science! And their disrespect for the Church of England! And their their caring for the slaves! And their rebellion against the Holy Roman Empire!

It's a terrible shame that the modern kids of the 400's won't be able to attract women with their service to the Empire. If he hasn't conquered a few cities, what good is he as a man, anyway?

...

More seriously, it's called a "generation gap". Today's young adults have different common standards for finding a mate, and every generation before has had other different standards. That's not even accounting for variance within the population, which in something as personal as mating preference is very widespread.

This psychologist's notions seem to go beyond merely "sensationalized" and into the realm of "utterly insane".

Oversimplified answer ... (2, Insightful)

MacTO (1161105) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112797)

I would argue that the problem is that many men don't know how to behave respectfully around women. That is a result of many factors: pop culture (games, porn, television, music, etc.), parenting, and the failure to establish civil social norms in a society where all genders are considered equal.

In related news ... (5, Funny)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112823)

... researchers say women are hooked on shopping and soap operas. This destroys their ability to connect with men, becoming addicted to instant gratification, the pursuit of unrealistic emotional drama and fantasy relationships.

No (1)

Dunge (922521) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112831)

Just getting better

On the flip side... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112833)

Porn and video games are reducing the number of rapes and violent crimes.

In my generation it was Heavy Metal... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112835)

Every generation has some thing that's "ruining the kids". In the 80s it was Heavy Metal and MTV. In the 70s it was marijuana. In the 60s it was Rock and Roll. This is just the latest incarnation.

Please respond with whatever it was YOU were told was ruining your generation.

That's right, we got Trouble! (3, Interesting)

edraven (45764) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112837)

Right here in River City!
With a capital "T", and that rhymes with "P", and that stands for...

yup (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112849)

and it's not this gamer generation that's earning the billions he's not! ;D (dumbass at dumbass...)

Sounds to me (2)

WillgasM (1646719) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112857)

Sounds to me like girls need to more quickly adapt to a sudden surplus of awkward guys.

Relationships (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112859)

And women who read too many romance novels don't know how to relate to real men.

Are Porn and Video Games Ruining a Generation? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112861)

Yeah they are both too expensive ...

Not fair to only look at one side (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112867)

Don't worry. Most females aren't worth perusing. They've been damaged by modern culture and made be believe they're far more important than they are, and that rationality isn't a virtue. No, I'm not bitter. No, I'm not gay. I just don't care. I've met far too many 'I'm a princess because I have the pussy' trainwrecks to know that pursuing damaged goods isn't a worthwhile idea.

Not saying that there aren't genuinely great girls out there. There are! Lots. But they've got their pick of mates and statistically, you aren't it. There's always someone smarter, funnier, more outgoing, more successful, etc.

If you know you're not the greatest catch, just don't bother. You're lucky (Actually, to be aware of one's own deficiencies is a rare gift in itself). Think of every dysfunctional, nightmarish relationship you've ever witnessed.. Then think about replacing all of the great things you like to do, with that.

Who's ruined now?

Perhaps he's on to /something/, perhaps not (3, Interesting)

Y2K is bogus (7647) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112875)

I wonder if the neighbor's kids have ever gotten laid.

Them kids just sit in their rooms and play games, smoke weed, and play some more. There is some sort of employment they are involved with, but it doesn't look real stable or regular, certainly not a 9-5 job.

That said, I blame their mom. They are over privileged and simply have to pitch a fit to get what they want, whether it's a new computer part or a car to replace the last POS they bought.

I don't think it was games that did it, I think their mother's lack of parenting and failure to instill drive in them is to blame. Dad is whipped, so he's not much of an influence.

Teach kids right from wrong, learn them some work ethic, and give them opportunity to succeed, that's what I think is lacking.

Or part of the problem could be... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112877)

Let's see.

Social interaction with a woman in the work place can end in a career ending sexual harrassment accusation when you have a falling out and she decides to exact retribution.

Social interaction with a woman on a date leading to a sexual encounter the woman regrets after can end in a life ending rape charge.

Social interaction with a women leading to marriage and children ends in a divorce which results in your ex wife taking the house and a slice of your possesions and wealth, and leaves you with an extended obligation to support her with alimony and child support while she lives with the next guy, conveniently avoiding remarriage to leave you on the hook for as long as possible. Though child support is a legitimate obligation if you willingly and knowingly fathered them.

I seriously doubt social interaction between the sexes has ever been great. Most guys were/are just jumping through a lot of painful socially mandated hoops to satify their sexual needs.

At least its less bad now than it used to be when the societal norm was you had to marry someone for LIFE, the sex stopped being good about a week after the honeymoon and there then followed 60 years of ball and chain misery.

Of course, that model was traded for one where women have acquired a nearly completely dominant position legally, socially and in the work place, which has resulted in a situation where is probably better for men in the long run, especially financially, to avoid relationships with women all together, hence the preference for games and porn.

Addictions ruin lives regardless of type (2)

techstar25 (556988) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112889)

Sure, men/boys can become addicted to porn, and/or video games, and yes it's a problem that can ruin their lives. However it's no different than alcohol or drug addiction. Both types can hinder your social development making you less desirable to the opposite sex, less likely to procreate, etc. The thing is that porn/video games/beer/marijuana all are perfectly healthy in small doses. It's only when it becomes an addiction is there a problem, and there is no reason to think that a porn/video game addiction is any worse for the future of the human race than alcohol/drug addition. So, let's not get too excited here.

Robotic Lucy Liu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112901)

Don't we already know that robotic Lucy Liu's will be the end of guys?

Sex and violence ruin every generation. (1)

conspirator23 (207097) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112907)

That's why we hate our parents.

China? (1)

JoeMerchant (803320) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112911)

Surprised nobody has extended this to China, where they have too many men anyway...

No, video games and porn are escapism. (5, Insightful)

pathological liar (659969) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112913)

Unemployment and wage stagnation are ruining a generation.

Nothing new to read here. (1)

jaskelling (1927116) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112925)

Replace porn and videogames with: rock and roll, religion, television, books, Boy Scouts, long hair, jazz music, jeans, tennis shoes, MTV, etc, etc... New year, same story, different target. Move along.

Why are they even in the same sentence? (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112929)

Porn has been around since, well... the dawn of humanity. Heck, there are cave drawings that were probably considered porn back then.

Giving up Porn and Masturbation has cured my ED (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112975)

I'm anonymous here for the obvious reason. I'm a married 42 year old male, and when we had our first kid 6 years ago, my sex life was thrown a major curveball. Around that time I had other stress in my life, and I retreated to Porn and Masturbation as an outlet. Over the last few years, I would masturbate several times a day to online porn. My occasional ED (erectile dysfunction) became worse and worse over time, to the point where successful 10 minute intercourse was highly unlikely.

About 6 months ago I made the connection between PMO (Porn, Masturbation, and Orgasm) and my sexual performance and attitude. It took me several months of failed attempts to give it up (neurochemically reinforced habits are HARD to break). I can tell you that at the 2-month-mark of giving it up I have noticed several changes within myself, and I'm amazed. I now get MHOs (morning hard ons) where I never did before. I find women WAY WAY more real and attractive than I did before. I'm a better father and husband and person. I have more desire and energy to engage with life. The occasional few tries I've had with sex have been more successful.

I'm looking forward to making it 4-6 months, and I'll bet that I'll have the raging boners of a 19 year old again. There's a reddit group called "NoFap" that is a good discussion of this experience, and a site called "Your Brain On Porn" that has another take on things.

Don't believe me? You shouldn't. I don't want you to. Be a skeptic. However, if you AT ALL have any ED problems, or if you jerk off a few times a week, I challenge you to go cold-turkey for six months and observe the changes within yourself. You have nothing to lose!

Well, I'm a 21st century digital boy... (1)

eternaldoctorwho (2563923) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112983)

...I don't know how to live, but I've got a lot of toys!

borqed assumption from the get-go (4, Insightful)

log0n (18224) | more than 2 years ago | (#40112991)

The article starts with the faulty premise that connecting with women is a requirement.

If a women isn't dependent on a man (thanks to increasingly equal (and in some cases exceeding) employment/opportunity/education, sperm banks, etc) for the things she desires in life, why isn't it fair game for a man to not need a women for what he desires?

I love my wife, happily married with 2 kids and I'm not a mascu-nazi, but I look at my parents generation with their greater than 50% divorce rate (with largely 1-sided devastation of the husband) and constant bombardment of the whole 'demeaning men to empower women' approach [seriously, just about any commercial in the last 40 years - the man is the moron who couldn't function w/o the woman], why would anyone want that short of being conditioned to accepting it?

So are the kids having too much sex or too little? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40112997)

Because I thought our newest generation was too promiscuous and needed strict abstinence education to keep from getting pregnant in middle school?

Or are they too entranced by porn and gaming to do so?

It can't be both.

No time. (1)

p0p0 (1841106) | more than 2 years ago | (#40113003)

I wanted to RTFA but I'm too busy masturbating and I really need to finish this game like RIGHT NOW AAARGH!
.. Also I need to do my college work, I'm going out with friends tonight and I work all weekend.
What? I don't fit into your little schema mister Doctor? Well that's odd, because if I sure as heck don't fit in there then you really screwed up.

The world needs to calm down. A few kids fiddling with their joysticks and yelling on Call of Duty isn't going to doom the human race into extinction. I know some pretty out there nerds and they get laid just fine, and have female friends just like every demographic. There are 2 sides to every coin and some peoples coins just happen to be covered in acne and instead of a head it's a controller.
It's still legal tender, we all came from the same Bank of Life.

Ha, I think I got a little fancy at the end there.
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