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Windows 8 Release Preview Now Available To Download

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the air-conditioning-for-me dept.

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MrSeb writes "Microsoft has announced the immediate availability of Windows 8 Release Preview. Unfortunately there isn't a Consumer Preview > Release Preview upgrade path — you'll have to format and perform a clean installation. After downloading the ISO, simply burn Windows 8 RP onto a USB stick or DVD, reboot, and follow the (exceedingly quick and easy) installer. Alternatively, if you don't want to format a partition, ExtremeTech has a guide on virtualizing Windows 8 with VirtualBox. After a lot of fluster on the Building Windows 8 blog, the Release Preview is actually surprisingly similar to the Consumer Preview. Despite being promised a new, flat, Desktop/Explorer UI, Aero is still the default theme in Windows 8 RP. The tutorial that will introduce new users to the brave new Start buttonless Windows 8 world is also missing. Major features that did make the cut are improved multi-monitor support — it's now easier to hit the hot corners on a multi-monitor setup, and Metro apps can be moved between displays — and the Metro version of IE10 now has a built-in Flash plug-in. There will be no further pre-releases of Windows 8: the next build will be the RTM."

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363 comments

What? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40172859)

I can't go CP to RP? Don't be so silly Microsoft, I know you want the installer to be tested but I'm not going to install the RP now,

Re:What? (2)

jakimfett (2629943) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173153)

Aha! Procrastination for the win! (I hadn't gotten around to testing out the CP I downloaded a while back).

Re:What? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173587)

(I hadn't gotten around to testing out the CP I downloaded a while back).

Burn in hell, paedophile!

Re:What? (2)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173259)

I installed Win 8, and have the World's BIGGEST Kin - without touch!

KINNING!

Re:What? (4, Funny)

Tough Love (215404) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173533)

I would have loved to be a fly on the wall in the exec meeting where they came up with the idea of turning Microsoft's monopoly desktop product into a cell phone.

Ok, Sherlock, your mystery is not a, uh, mystery. (4, Insightful)

trifish (826353) | more than 2 years ago | (#40172885)

Despite being promised a new, flat, Desktop/Explorer UI, Aero is still the default theme in Windows 8 RP

All right, only they didn't promise the new UI for pre-release versions. They explicitly said it will be in RTM.

Re:Ok, Sherlock, your mystery is not a, uh, myster (1)

jakimfett (2629943) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173179)

they didn't promise the new UI for pre-release versions. They explicitly said it will be in RTM.

But...the chances of it actually happening for the RTM (if they haven't already gotten the kinks worked out of it) are pretty much Nil...maybe it will be in one of the service packs?

IF YOU WANT TO PIRATE A COPY (4, Informative)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173297)

Here's a working activation key:
TK8TP-9JN6P-7X7WW-RFFTV-B7QPF

Re:IF YOU WANT TO PIRATE A COPY (4, Informative)

DRJlaw (946416) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173563)

IF YOU WANT TO PIRATE A COPY

If activation works in the release preview like it did in the consumer preview, there will only be one "activation key" for the publicly downloadable copy. Presumably, that key activates it for the limited time period and each copy will expire or de-activate on whatever their target date is.

What you're suggesting is about as far from piracy as you could get. I personally 'pirated' the consumer preview because the tail end of the official download (which I tried 3 times on that release day) was corrupted by whoever's transparent proxy service I had the joy of unknowingly using. Probably Time Warner's, as I've had corruption isses with other large downloads from official sources for other software.

Odds of Microsoft coming after you for torrenting freely available 'free' previews are pretty darn low. They have bigger fish to fry.

Re:IF YOU WANT TO PIRATE A COPY (2)

mister_playboy (1474163) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173749)

He was being sarcastic.

Re:Ok, Sherlock, your mystery is not a, uh, myster (1)

trifish (826353) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173347)

Source? Remember: Vista Aero was introduced in RTM too.

Re:Ok, Sherlock, your mystery is not a, uh, myster (1, Insightful)

Anpheus (908711) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173359)

I'm really tired of people spreading stupidity about Win8, and the irrational fear of the future that seems to have gripped the tech rags and social sites I visit. There are legitimate concerns that Windows 8 will be a Vista style flop with changes too substantial to be readily adopted by consumers or businesses. Then there is your inanity.

I will wager you $250 (payable to charity) via longbets.org to put your money where your mouth is. The wager would be that the RTM release of Windows 8 lacks the flattened, opaque interface previewed in a screenshot in the Building Windows 8 blog post on May 18th.

Otherwise kindly shut up.

Re:Ok, Sherlock, your mystery is not a, uh, myster (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173597)

You assume that the work on RTM only starts after RP is shipped to public. RP build is actually about a week old (says so right in the blog post), and the corresponding branch forked even earlier than that.

Linux on the desktop, now? (0, Troll)

charnov (183495) | more than 2 years ago | (#40172923)

So there's finally a good reason to move to Linux on the desktop. Thanks, Microsoft for taking a masterpiece of design like Windows 7 and making it a pain in the butt to use.

Re:Linux on the desktop, now? (4, Interesting)

BenJeremy (181303) | more than 2 years ago | (#40172989)

Windows 7 is still good, and it's the next "XP" - the version Enterprise customers will be keeping until Microsoft finally shuts the doors on it, so we have a good 10 years or so left - and Microsoft has time to pull its collective head out of its collective ass and being back a GUI that makes sense in a desktop world.

If the Linux world can deliver an operating system that won't give my mother fits to use, maybe it can make inroads while Microsoft tries to shove WinMetro down people's throats, but I gave up holding my breath for that years ago.

Re:Linux on the desktop, now? (0)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173267)

I set up a computer for my six year old nephew to use when he comes by and installed Linux Mint with the LXDE desktop for him, so far he isn't having any issues.

It's just like the classic Windows 95/98/2000 desktop.

Re:Linux on the desktop, now? (1)

zennyboy (1002544) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173289)

"WinMetro" kind of reminds me of Active Desktop... Cool idea, not so good in usage...

Re:Linux on the desktop, now? (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173757)

Once it occurred to me its basically an on screen start menu, it became really easy for me to use.

Re:Linux on the desktop, now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173603)

Mainstream support for Windows 7 ends in less than three years, on January 12, 2015. That is, unless Microsoft extends it like they did for Windows XP when Vista wasn't well-received.

All of us who keep denying that the desktop is dying are ignoring that most people already only use their computer to access "the cloud", even if it isn't called that. Web mail, web galleries, media streaming, even the occasional image editing and office work is now done in a browser. The masses are longing for the walled gardens where they can buy a new computer when the old one breaks or catches a cold and everything is still there, just as it is when they're visiting friends and want to show them a picture or a document. What's more natural than to use a mobile device instead of a desktop in that kind of environment? And then you have a touch screen: If you think that the desktop metaphor is an appropriate user interface for a touchscreen, you must have loved Windows CE.

Metro isn't a GUI for the desktop. It's a GUI for a tablet or a phone. The desktop isn't going away, but there's a growing divide between professional content creators and home users. The latter don't want to worry about their computer's health anymore. They don't want to lose their data to a hard disk crash, a virus or a service technician who wipes the disk by reimaging the OS.

This isn't an age-problem either. People in their twenties "get" computers less than the people who grew up in the 80s. They didn't witness the transformation from the 8-bit computers to the multi-gigabyte OS installations of today, so their approach is like that of an archaeologist who discovers a complex machine and tries to understand it without destroying it. These people are fed up with the complexity of keeping a system in good shape. They want to just pay someone else to keep it all tidy for them. They want the cloud. That's why the desktop is dying. That's why Windows 8 has Metro.

Re:Linux on the desktop, now? (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173751)

Hi. I work for a very large customer of MS. we also don't like upgrading. We ahve been given pretty definitive dats on when to stop using XP.
Hint: not 10 years.

If enterprise customer wants to run an old unsupported OS with known vulnerabilities, they sure can. But they aren't getting support, and there are fewer and fewer IT people willing to twiddle there career away duct taping XP and going without the latest tools.

Re:Linux on the desktop, now? (3, Interesting)

BlackSnake112 (912158) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173755)

The last time I got the call to fix my parents computer I backed up all their data and installed ubuntu I think it was version 9 or 10. Installed Open office and copied back their data. Set up their email, tested a few things that I didn't test before I went there. They thought they were on windows for about 4 months. They did not like having to use a password at first. But for what they do, ubuntu worked fine. The hardest part was finding an application that let them do what print shop did.

Re:Linux on the desktop, now? (3, Interesting)

RuaisLampSilog (2646223) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173761)

If your mother has no computer experience, she will easily use linux. That's my experience. asking some other thing to look and behave as windows will not happen.

Re:Linux on the desktop, now? (1)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | more than 2 years ago | (#40172997)

Why would you stop using windows 7?

the only reason I switched to vista at all was the whole "we won't put directx 10 on xp" bullshit that microsoft did, and even then i dual booted into linux for a year and a half for everything non-game related until windows 7 came out.

until microsoft pulls a stunt like that again, long live windows 7.

Re:Linux on the desktop, now? (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173013)

>>>masterpiece of design like Windows 7 and making it a pain in the butt to use.

I'm planning to buy a second Win7 machine, so if the first goes bad I am not forced into upgrading to Windows Vista..... er, I mean 8. (And no I can't use GNUlinux or Mac, as I need Windows for working at home.)

Re:Linux on the desktop, now? (5, Funny)

busyqth (2566075) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173073)

I'm going to buy 10 retail copies of Windows 7 so that I'll have plenty for any future needs.
That'll show Microsoft they can't jerk me around.

Re:Linux on the desktop, now? (1, Funny)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173209)

yeah you tell em...

"microsoft, you're a bunch of assholes... now let me pay you a heap of money to prove to myself that you're a bunch of assholes!"

later, after purchasing several copies of win7...

"hehehe... suckers"

Re:Linux on the desktop, now? (2)

peragrin (659227) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173233)

you joke but with windows 7 hardware installation requirements you might need 10 copies to last you 10 years.

Sure (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173649)

Just get me all the apps I need and I'll move on over.

Re:Linux on the desktop, now? (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173723)

You're welcome to move, but i'm not sure how you consider this to be a pain in the but. I find it much easier and more intuitive.

OTOH, you own't really change. you'll use what you are using as long as you can, then switch to whatever version of windows is and make up excuses on why it's ok for you to use.

Does it still suck? (1, Funny)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#40172929)

Last preview I downloaded was pretty miserable, is it even remotely useable yet?

If they quit offering Windows 7 when Windows 8 comes out then it may just end up being the year that Linux takes over the desktop market.

Re:Does it still suck? (1)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173021)

you can still buy vista. 7 is going nowhere for several years.

in fact, i forsee an "xp still on sale a decade after release, due to demand" deal going on with windows 7 unless windows 9 is excellent.

Re:Does it still suck? (4, Funny)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173095)

you can still buy vista

Oh god why? Can't they make that against the law or something?

Re:Does it still suck? (1)

MistabewM (17044) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173081)

Too bad they have locked down their hardware vendors with UEFI certs etc and it will be a giant pain in the ass for a user to install Linux.

Re:Does it still suck? (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173115)

Only on an OEM board and depending on which distribution you want to load. The total application fee to get included in the UEFI cert is $99 so unless you roll your own it shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Re:Does it still suck? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173561)

Too bad that prevents any kernel upgrades (a new cert every minor revision) or user kernel recompilations. So $99 for every security update for every non-profit distro. Debian will be verboten. Also the latest Microsoft commandment for "windows certification" is that while you are allowed other UEFI certs, actually adding one or disabling "Secure boot" must render any installation of Windows 8 unbootable to prevent dual boot systems. So it is a wee bit more of an issue that you think.

Re:Does it still suck? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173333)

Too bad they have locked down their hardware vendors with UEFI certs etc and it will be a giant pain in the ass for a user to install Linux.

Or windows 7 and xp, I imagine.

Re:Does it still suck? (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173611)

Only true on ARM, not on x86.

Re:Does it still suck? (1)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173225)

ebay

Re:Does it still suck? (-1, Troll)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173777)

Yes, windows 8 will be the reason linux.. bwahahahahah... sorry, just couldn't get through the sentence without laughing.

I'll wait (1)

ozduo (2043408) | more than 2 years ago | (#40172943)

for service pack two, then it might be worth investigating

Re:I'll wait (1)

tunapez (1161697) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173071)

That's what I said about Vista. It took all the way to SP 7 to fix that steaming pile. Where Vista nudged me into Linux, I believe 8 will be the last push over the edge.
 
Off to dust off my whiteboard with my CLI commands cheat sheet...

Re:I'll wait (1)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173279)

surely you only need one
ultracoolusername@mypornpyewta:~$ /usr/sbin/pr0n -load -t "gay" -a "60+"

Re:I'll wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173431)

Off to dust off my whiteboard with my CLI commands cheat sheet...

I don't think that's such a good plan:

"OH! it's my whiteboard with all my notes that I don't have anywhere else"
*Closes eyes, dust, dust, dust*
"NOOOO!! My notes are all gone!!"

Posting with it now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40172955)

...Microsoft is doomed. Hope Canonical's download servers are beefed up.

Re:Posting with it now... (4, Insightful)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173051)

look, i'm writing this from a machine running a canonical OS, but if you think people are going to view windows 8 as a reason to go to linux, i think you're in a pipe dream. they're going to view windows 8 as a reason to stick with windows 7.

Re:Posting with it now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173091)

People are switching to Macs in droves. This is just going to accelerate that trend.

Re:Posting with it now... (2, Funny)

busyqth (2566075) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173119)

Windows 8 : The final triumph of Steve Jobs.

Re:Posting with it now... (1)

tunapez (1161697) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173113)

Can anyone say 'End User Downgrade Rights'? Vista was actually pretty good for the bottom line after all those XP up...er...downgrades.

Re:Posting with it now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173545)

Ummmm yeah..... about that GUI Canonical is trying to force on everyone......

(Dont think you thought this one out very well)

Re:Posting with it now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173577)

Beats the fuck out of Metro the last time I checked, e.g., now.

nigger (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40172967)

I'd use linux but i dont want to code my own drivers, programs, etc...

Timewarp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173023)

I'd use linux but i dont want to code my own drivers, programs, etc...

Hop in your time machine and come and live in 2012...

Re:Timewarp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173065)

Why? has it gotten easier to code your own linux drivers in 2012?

Re:Timewarp (1)

jakimfett (2629943) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173135)

Why? has it gotten easier to code your own linux drivers in 2012?

No, now we have monkeys to code them for us.

Seriously, go download and test out a live ISO of any of the "desktop" linux flavors...Ubuntu (pre-metro), Xubuntu, Mint...none of these have required you to write your own drivers in...well, not since I started using them several years ago.

Re:Timewarp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173157)

Why? has it gotten easier to code your own linux drivers in 2012?

Yes. Since 1991, we now have gigabytes of Free source code to learn from and O'Reily men write good book on subject.

Re:Timewarp (2)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173315)

on the contrary... i can plug in some things (such as a USB-RS232 converter cable) into a linux machine and use it without loading any drivers, whereas I would have to install the supplied drivers from CD on a Windows box

is any desktop user going to be upgrading? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40172973)

I mean, seriously? Starting stuff from the stupid Start screen? Cripple the regular version of Visual Studio to only write apps for this screen?

What the hell is wrong with MS? Does it not realise that a desktop is not a tablet?

Re:is any desktop user going to be upgrading? (5, Funny)

busyqth (2566075) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173191)

I mean, seriously? Starting stuff from the stupid Start screen?

It was so much better back in the day when you started stuff from the shutdown menu.

Re:is any desktop user going to be upgrading? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173275)

They can call it the "Click here if you like a mouth full of dicks" Menu for all I care, as long as it's actually usable. Honestly, the Windows 3.x Program Manager was less over-takey than this bullshit, and that's when screens were sufficiently small and low resolution to warrant it.

Re:is any desktop user going to be upgrading? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173245)

I think you mean "downgrading" to windows 8. I played around with the previews thus far, and they are terrible. Terrible enough to where I won't even check out this release preview, or even consider buying a copy when it is released. I'm on Windows 7 for the forseeable future. Hopefully MS will wake up when they develop their next OS iteration, and scrap everything about windows 8.

Re:is any desktop user going to be upgrading? (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173253)

I've been considering getting it for my parents based on the reasoning that my mom at least might find the tablet-style interface intuitive. Looking at it, though...probably not. I have a hard enough time getting her to understand that attaching a Word document to an email is the exact same as attaching a photograph. I don't think I could survive teaching her how to use Metro.

Metro actually is a pretty slick UI on a phone, though the information density in its current incarnation is much too low. I think Microsoft is a little too obsessed with their crusade to make all devices run the exact same copy as Windows. Apple's plan is, IMO, better--bring over iOS ideas that work well on the desktop but keep the underlying UI traditional.

Re:is any desktop user going to be upgrading? (2)

Bobakitoo (1814374) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173263)

Does it not realise that a desktop is not a tablet?

They are moving away from desktop, clearing the way for 2013 year of the Linux desktop.

Re:is any desktop user going to be upgrading? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173331)

There may be a bit of complaining at first since it is something new to learn, but I'm guessing that relatively few people will care in the long run. The thing is, very few people spend a lot of time in the Start Menu so its dysfunctionality won't matter very much.

Re:is any desktop user going to be upgrading? (2)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173433)

I have OSX lion, one of the most awkward features in launchpad, which tries to make the screen like iOS' Springboard screen. Springboard works best when you have hand gestures on a small area, not so useful on a non-touch 20" screen. Thats a lot of mousing.

Metro reminds me of this, touch metaphors on a non-touch screen to show they're changing something at least. At least i'm not forced to use Launchpad on OSX.

Launchers are surprisingly hard to do well. Apple had some bad ones in System 7 and before - At Ease, then morphing into Launcher. And then Control Strip.

Re:is any desktop user going to be upgrading? (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173473)

Yeah, that's the important difference--though Launchpad is lame, at least it's optional. It's marginally more useful on a trackpad than a regular mouse, but I don't use it very often (only if my cursor is near where I know a certain app's icon is going to be when I do the pinch gesture to bring it up). For an example of a good launcher, look to Alfred.

IT'S A TRAP !! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40172979)

sNuff nSaid !!

Nothing new here (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173087)

Sadly Linux won't take over anything (at least not now). Think Longhorn revolt followed by the success of W7. You gotta take a shot in the dark sometimes and if this turns out to be a ton of crap, they'll listen and go back to what's right. That's generally been the way MS has done things.

Re:Nothing new here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173243)

Sadly Linux won't take over anything (at least not now). Think Longhorn revolt followed by the success of W7. You gotta take a shot in the dark sometimes and if this turns out to be a ton of crap, they'll listen and go back to what's right. That's generally been the way MS has done things.

Exactly. Ubuntu's new Unity interface is the equivalent to Vista. Buggy, shitty, slow, and you have to re-learn where everything is. And who the hell wants to search for everything? How do I know if it's called 'monitors' or 'displays' or 'screen resolution' in their new stupid search menu.

Re:Nothing new here (1)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173371)

nah... more likely they will do what they want, and the rest of the world will just follow suit, at great pains and expense

if you're going to be convicted of monopolisation, you might as well make something of it

CPU speed? (0)

spaceyhackerlady (462530) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173219)

The /. article before this was about a new overclocking record. Will 7 GHz be fast enough to run this puppy?

...laura

Re:CPU speed? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173335)

It runs very fast on a 5 year old ThinkPad T61.

The problem is that makes it suck faster as well.

Microsoft Vanishing From Average Person's Life (5, Interesting)

Boyer (2652231) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173231)

Of course Microsoft will still get the massive number of automatic installs due to their lock on OEMs and corporations locked into Microsoft tech, but for every single person I know Microsoft has become a non-entity in their lives.

Over the past few years it has rapidly become cellphones and tablets. No one goes home after work to sit in front of their computer checking their email and webbrowsing. They do that all day long now on their Android phones and tablets or iPhones and iPads. Ten years ago I would hear all the time about what computer someone was planning on buying or what they were doing with their computer. Now it is all about what Android or Apple cellphone or tablet to buy. And in the rare occasion someone actually does talk about buying a new computer it is almost universally a Mac to replace their old Windows machine.

Re:Microsoft Vanishing From Average Person's Life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173309)

TL;DR - you don't know any PC gamers

PC Gamers? Are Those Like Amiga Gamers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173389)

The PC games section at the local computer chain is being constantly being pushed into the back where no one ever goes. The shelves are half empty and look like some pathetic garage sale. I can't remember the last time seeing anyone actually enter the PC gaming section.

But let me guess...you're one of those faggots who calls their computer his 'rig'. Don't ya dipshit?

Re:PC Gamers? Are Those Like Amiga Gamers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173531)

The PC games section at the local computer chain is being constantly being pushed into the back where no one ever goes. The shelves are half empty and look like some pathetic garage sale. I can't remember the last time seeing anyone actually enter the PC gaming section.

probably because they buy all their games online

Steam??? LOL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173615)

Valve's shitty game download service?

Yeah, that will make up for PC games almost vanishing from the average consumer in retailers across the world.

The dumb fucks still stuck putting out games for the PC have no choice other than dump their crap on Steam.

Funny how you constantly hear stories about developers making millions putting out Android and iPhone games, and yet Steam...

Re:PC Gamers? Are Those Like Amiga Gamers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173551)

One word: Steam.

Re:Microsoft Vanishing From Average Person's Life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173327)

I honestly can't remember the last time anyone I know brought up Microsoft or Windows. At least outside of a business environment.

I remember a single person talking about how they checked out a Windows Phone and how much it sucked.

I remember people laughing at Microsoft's piece of shit Xbox 360.

Outside of that I can't remember the last time anyone in real life talked about Microsoft let alone Microsoft in any sort of positive way. It has been years since someone talked about buying a new computer to run the newest Microsoft OS.

Re:Microsoft Vanishing From Average Person's Life (1)

Quillem (2641391) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173565)

What you state is, IMHO, for people who use their phones and tablets to do nothing besides mail and casual browsing. I think anything that involves extended typing or requires a more complex level of input still necessitates a laptop, if not a desktop. The desktop is still my most comfortable environment.

P.S. I wonder what you used to type your post :)

Why are they still releasing Windows? (1, Redundant)

HansKloss (665474) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173239)

It is such a ugly primitive OS. I moved to OS X and Linux and sometimes have to reboot to Windows 7.
Polished on the outside, ugly on the inside. Still the same widgets from Windows 95 era.

Windows 7 it's like walking into dirty toilet.

For God sake stop wasting people's time and fix first what we paid for. Not another half-baked release.

Metro apps (1)

Narishma (822073) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173257)

Anybody knows why Metro apps are restricted to screen resolutions of 1024x768 or higher?
Is it just an arbitrary limitation or is there a technical reason for this?

Re:Metro apps (1)

Quillem (2641391) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173489)

My guess would be that it's similar to the problems Android apps had between Gingerbread (mobiles) and Honeycomb (tablets) - screen size. Presumably metro apps will also run on mobiles.

Re:Metro apps (1)

ZeroSumHappiness (1710320) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173589)

Probably to ensure support for limited resolution tablets. It would probably make more sense to require a 1024x768 layout and allow any other layout in addition but that imposes more costs, particularly support costs, on Microsoft.

Re:Metro apps (3, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173641)

Simply put, it's so that Metro app developers don't have to concern themselves with supporting anything smaller.

Linux over Windows 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173399)

I see people mention "It will then be the year of Linux". I doubt that. If the common user dislike Windows 8, they will just turn to Mac's. They already using the iPhone and like the Apple products. This could be a year of the Mac more than Linux. Just go to Best Buy and stand in the computer department and wait for the common people come in and look for computers and then ask them, "have you thought about Linux instead of Windows?" Most would reply, "What is Linux?"

Pretty and all ... (1)

Quillem (2641391) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173457)

... but what are the reasons why I would need to upgrade from W7 to W8? Besides the HTML5 interface shenanigans, is there any ground-breaking feature that makes it attractive? I moved to W7 (from XP) only because of expanded memory support, 64-bit and improved driver support out of the box. I'm quite happy with it and feel no necessity to move up.

My Linux upgrades nowadays are LTS only and even those are delayed until something (usually a package without reliable backports or better driver support) absolutely demands it. Maybe I'm simply getting old, overly patient and content?

And In A Non Related News Event (4, Funny)

LifesABeach (234436) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173501)

Tomorrows sunrise will be at 5:42am.

Why upgrade? (1)

optimism (2183618) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173513)

This is a dead serious question, so please do not downmod because it doesn't agree with some corporate agenda. ;)

I currently run Windows XPSP3 on 7 laptops, and 1 desktop, at home. Behind a NAT firewall. I've never had a virus or other security problem. I re-image and update approximately every 2 years because, yes, Windows does slow down and break with age, and I also want a backup of the latest apps. But otherwise XP works great, with minimal interference,on machines with as little as 800Mhz P3, 128MB RAM.

I think that most folks here realize that Vista was an intentional boondoggle to make Windows 7 look better. But in total seriousness....why would I move from XP to 7 or 8?

Thanks.

Re:Why upgrade? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173623)

Windows 8? No idea. Windows 7? Because you get the same goodness of XP with improved usability.

Re:Why upgrade? (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173655)

Win7 has a slew of features that you may or may not like; if you do (most people seem to), it's a question of whether you consider them worth the price.

It's really impossible to answer your question precisely. If you are absolutely happy with XP and can't see how it could possibly be any better, then you probably don't have any reasons to switch (until support ends entirely, that is).

Re:Why upgrade? (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173725)

There's no reason I can see. From XP to 7 you get DX11 which is a bonus plus better handling and proper handling soundlayer system. From XP or 7 to 8? Maybe the filesystem, but I can't see that being a huge thing for the average person. Not for you, not for me. There doesn't appear to be anything specific for directX either.

Oddly, I've been running Win7 for the last 3ish years(Original Install Date: 10/28/2009, 11:44:46 AM) and have yet to reinstall it. It seems to be running as fast as the day I installed it no less. Though I'm building a new rig in July or August so I'll be able to tell then. Though to be honest I have been running it off a OCZ Vertex as well, so that might have something to do with it. At worst I've noticed the boot times a bit slower the last 2 months, but I think that's because the drive is getting close to it's EOL, or might need a secure erase.
 

ISO? Where? (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173527)

I went to http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/release-preview [microsoft.com] and all I got was a 5MB .EXE file.

Kind of pointless for those of us who want to try it via VMWare or similar.

Re:ISO? Where? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173607)

You can either click on the Download ISO highlighted text on the same page or run the app you downloaded and it will create an ISO for you. Why don't you read the page you download from?

Re:ISO? Where? (2)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173677)

The link was there, it's just not up in your face the way web installer is.

Windows 8 RP: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/iso [microsoft.com]
Windows Server 2012 RC: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/hh670538.aspx [microsoft.com]
Visual Studio 2012 RC: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=247147 [microsoft.com]

Does it have better monitor resolution support? (1)

cplusplus (782679) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173657)

I tried Windows 8 on a netbook that has a touchscreen display... perfect for Windows 8, right?!! However, my netbook's display has a max resolution of 1024x600. Unfortunately, all the nice fancy new buttony looking Metro apps enforce a minimum resolution of something like 1024x768 and will not run if you're monitor doesn't support that resolution. This means that every single damn button/app/whatever-they-call-it on the default Windows 8 Metro UI didn't work. I can understand why Microsoft would enforce minimum requirements, but still...

Experiment then refinement... (5, Interesting)

aaronb1138 (2035478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173661)

I think a lot of people are missing a few really smart choices it would appear Microsoft is intentionally making. First, they realize that corporate customers like their long term anchor software. They have done that with Windows 7 as the successor to XP as frequently mentioned. Second I think they are going to a release plan of Experiment followed by a Refinement release.

Consider first that Microsoft supports too many customers with too diverse of requirements to be doing miniscule yearly feature releases as with OSX and Linux. OSX can because they have fixed hardware to support and a vastly smaller software library. Linux can because the community doesn't have anywhere near the hardware support of Windows and software is not binary compatible a requires recompilation.

Faced with this issue, it only makes sense that Microsoft will release an OS filled with experimentation to find out what users and customers do a don't like and then make the next version the refinement, enhancement, and trimming of those features. Vista was full of UI experiments which were great ideas but only marginally implemented or just didn't flow easily. I couldn't stand Vista and only used it a few hours before going back to XP. I know I am by far not in a minority in having this experience. Windows 7 was taking all those features and fixing them, making them flow and interact together and getting rid of the development cruft. Windows 7 is great for many users, myself included.

Windows 8 is filled with great ideas. It's filled with original ideas and people are complaining. Sure, Metro came from WP7 development, but nobody else considered using the metaphors for desktop use or how to adapt them. Again the number one complaint is incompleteness or not enough UI interoperability with the manners in which users have become acclimated. If Microsoft continues the pattern, then sure, some consumers will be forced to be guinea pigs with Windows 8, especially if the Windows tablet market takes off appreciably. In the same stroke, Windows 9 could easily come as the refinement stage where it all makes better sense.

Who cares if Windows 8 is a dog. Vista was a dog and it led directly to 7. Give some credit to a company that could sit on it's old style of business like IBM in the late 70's, but instead challenges itself with products which can fail and are interesting and different.

Linux by comparison has no consistent desktop metaphors. You have to test drive at least 3 different distros before you are sure which one will work. The only nearly consistent interfaces are the ones released at the same time as XP in stripped down distros. Unity is not bad, but it's just not for me. The more recent release is really getting there though. It's great experimentation in a different direction for fusing the desktop, laptop, and tablet UI segments.

OSX is the opposite of where Linux and Windows have been experimenting. There is an extreme lack of interesting change since 2001 and only very small incremental refinements. Oooh, we just got a notification system, but really it's the one from our phones because we couldn't stand the thought of using a functional desktop one like in Windows 7 or Linux. You could actually load identical machines with OSX from 10 years ago and the latest Mountain Lion side by side and the average user wouldn't notice that they were different. If you think I am full of it, check this out: http://macgateway.com/featured-articles/a-decade-of-mac-os-x-a-retrospective/ [macgateway.com]

Finally. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40173697)

I've been waiting to move from XP for years. Now can safely install Windows 7.

Reasons to move from XP (1)

RuaisLampSilog (2646223) | more than 2 years ago | (#40173789)

I simply can't find any reason to move away from XP, but 64 bits support (very crappy on XP 64) Can somebody here give some of the good reasons one should take the time and pain, to migrate to a new OS that doesn't seems to make anything new, no breakthroughs, nothing I can't do on XP?
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