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Nintendo Reveals Wii U's Miiverse Social Network

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the spellchecker-hates-it dept.

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chrb writes "Nintendo has announced that its new Wii U console will feature a social network called the Miiverse in which users can video chat, see what others are playing, share game content and swap tips." And with a nod to Zawinski's Law, "The redesigned Wii U GamePad features dual sticks, a touch screen that supports finger and stylus interaction, motion and gyroscope sensors, and the ability to act as a TV remote. The Wii U GamePad has its own dedicated Web browser and can share images and video to a TV so that everyone can enjoy the shared content."

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Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40205635)

Only thing worth playing on that machine is the free bowling game that came w/ it

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (2)

damnbunni (1215350) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205673)

Er, the machine isn't even out yet. And it probably won't come with a bowling game.

Did you, perhaps, mean the Wii? If so, you're sadly mistaken. There aren't _as many_ Wii titles I consider Fantastic Games as some other platforms, but there are still quite a few really damned good games.

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (5, Insightful)

djdanlib (732853) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205725)

Some people apparently only want a system if it has HD graphics. Because, you know, all that crapware and those old-school emulated games look so much better in HD. And BRB, no-scoping some noobs that said they slept with my mother.

Please. I want fun games. How about these:

Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess was amazing. The sound of arrows going from your controller to the screen... genius.

Warioware was great for springing on your unsuspecting friends.

Mario Galaxy was a head trip every time gravity wasn't straight down.

Geometry Wars with point-at-the-screen action... zen.

Super Smash Brothers Brawl: Best in series IMO.

Emulating a zillion classic console games flawlessly? Check. That classic controller.

New Super Mario Bros. Wii, the friendship killer. Good times. For me.

Let's just conveniently forget about Wii Music, the Kirby yarn game, Chocobo Dungeon, and the horribly botched Monkey Ball game... yikes, that game played like it had absolutely no QA.

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (-1, Offtopic)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205779)

Lmao. It's extremely comical how your list of examples is also the exact same list of "The ONLY games worth playing on the Wii."

Fanboys are hilarious. I will wait for you to wrongly accuse me of being a 13 year old call of duty player.

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40206515)

Lmao. It's extremely comical how your list of examples is also the exact same list of "The ONLY games worth playing on the Wii."

Fanboys are hilarious. I will wait for you to wrongly accuse me of being a 13 year old call of duty player.

I know you're trolling, but how about:
Mad World, Metroid M, All Metroid Primes, Zack & Wiki, New Kirby, No More Heroes, Mario Kart, Mario Parties, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Excite Truck, New Goldeneye, Muramasa, Punch Out, Paper Mario, Trauma Center and other shit that I can't name off the top of my head.

Zack & Wiki was misleading (0, Troll)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207621)

Zack & Wiki

Except the "Wiki" part was misleading. Because it was for a console, players could not edit the levels, unlike every single other "Wiki" out there. Even LittleBigPlanet for PS3 reportedly had more Wiki than Zack & Wiki.

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40207033)

Yeah ... well the Wii doesn't have your requirement of a steady diet of blood and guts. Let me guess. You don't have a family. In fact I'll go on to guess that you will *never* have a family. Please don't respond. Like all the loser 12-30 year olds in game chat that pretend they have a 'girlfriend' or 'wife' and 'family'

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40207433)

Oh boy, I sure wish I had other people preventing me from doing things I like whenever I'm home, that's the life I want for me.

More Wii Games (was Re:Nice !! they are just...) (1)

WillAdams (45638) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207349)

There were a lot of other games which I found worth playing (I didn't get around to any of the games on that list):

Metroid Prime: Collector's Trilogy --- amazing repacking of 3 classic games w/ new motion controls which add quite a bit of depth to the game
The Conduit --- the first person shooter for the Wii
Goldeneye --- Amazing remake which is even better for having motion controls and Wii Zapper support
Red Steel 2 --- the first game to make use of the Wii Motion Plus and get swordplay as more than a simulation (I'm looking at you Wii Sports Resort) right
Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword --- the ultimate action adventure game w/ swordplay, archery and more

If Xenoblade Chronicles had been available first quarter in North America, Nintendo probably would've been profitable --- still waiting to see how The Last Story sells (though I'm still raging about the developer not having an option of using IR aiming for the crossbow in that) and really wish Pandora's Tower would come to NA.

William

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (1)

djdanlib (732853) | more than 2 years ago | (#40208023)

Er.... I have other things to do than continue to list games? There are quite a few other system-exclusive titles that were good. And it would be easy to make a list for any system, but this one was in scope at the moment.

Sorry to disappoint. Carry on... you might want to change your sig though, it doesn't match the things you post.

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (1)

MogNuts (97512) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205789)

Yes, it's 2012. You could make that argument in 2005 when it was released. Watching the Wii on a HDTV now is *just painful.* And millions of people who play online via PSN or Live are just worthless because "real men play single player." You do know there are normal people who do like to play online you know.

As for the fun. I'm tired of /. writing that crap. There are tons of fun games on the other consoles as well. Shadow complex for 360. Fun as hell, just like Metroid was. Dead Space: the fun is in how scary it is. Getting caught up in a gripping story of Alone in the Dark is fun. Working as a team and successfully flanking and overtaking an objective in BF3 is fun. Geometry wars IIRC is on both 360 and PS3 too you know. Trials HD? More fun than excitebike for the NES! You can't tell me L4D killing zombies isn't fun. Tomb Raider Guardian of Light or whatever it's called. 2.5D hanging on by a thread aerial platforming at it's best. Emulating games? I played NES games on a NES. Not saying they're not fun and if someone hasn't played them yet, they shouldn't. But c'mon, we've all played them already.

So no, I want games to be fun AND look good. Good graphics IS a requirement for a console. Otherwise, it has little value added over an iPhone someone already has and is satisfied with playing "Punch the Monkey" TM

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (4, Informative)

Zuriel (1760072) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205885)

Watching the Wii on a HDTV now is *just painful.*

Just plugging it into a modern TV can be difficult. The stock composite cables produce a pathetic image with distortion all over the place [google.com] . You need component to even do 480p. Not having a HDMI port is terrible, I bought a more expensive AV receiver with component inputs specifically to accommodate my Wii.

Low resolution in a cartoon-y Mario game is fine. Lack of connectivity isn't.

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (1)

MogNuts (97512) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205923)

Didn't know that. Learn something new every day.

Tho as a side note, you have to agree that, as I'm sure u know already, once you play a game at max settings at native 1080p resolution (or higher), it's *really* tough to go back, regardless of the game.

Perfect example is even let's compare it to Mario directly: play trine 2 on the pc at max settings and 1080p, and then go to the ps3. It hurts. Or even psychonauts, a cartoony game, that while is ancient, looks so much better because at 1080p resolution it's crisp and clear.

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40207195)

No, it's not. Believe me, I know, I've got both a PS3 and a Wii hooked on a HD TV. I can go back and forth between those consoles and feel no pain. Yes, games on the PS3 look much better, but I don't get to play less on the Wii because of that. Then again, I'm one of those old-schoolers that played on the Atari 2600 and NES, so I'm not in it for the looks, I'm in it for the fun. Go figure.

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (2)

damnbunni (1215350) | more than 2 years ago | (#40206369)

I haven't run into an HDTV that doesn't have component yet, but I can see that not having the same connector as everything else makes using a switchbox or receiver a pain.

These guys http://www.neoya.com/shop/wii2hdmi [neoya.com] sell a Wii to HDMI adapter gizmo for thirty bucks. Might be worth it just to simplify cabling.

Monster cable (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207681)

I haven't run into an HDTV that doesn't have component yet

Part of the problem is that Nintendo uses a proprietary connector that no one else uses. Remember the old saw about Monster cables being overpriced? It's not true on the Wii. Monster's component cable for the Wii was cheaper than Nintendo's.

Re:Monster cable (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40208087)

Monoprice has a component cable for the Wii for less than $3. It works fine, I have one.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10830&cs_id=1083007&p_id=5689&seq=1&format=2

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40206593)

I picked up a VGA cable on Ebay for $20 for the Wii and tied it in to my projector with that. Looks pretty nice, and I'm sure you could do the same with a TV and just tie the audio to your receiver. Of course you'll have to press an extra button on a remote to get over to the Wii though.

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (4, Funny)

machine321 (458769) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207265)

"real men play single player."

This is Slashdot, where all the men play "single player".

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207327)

My PS3 obviously has awesome levels of detail on a 40 inch HDTV but the Wii certainly doesn't look painful. It looks just fine.

What's the point of even fighting over whether the Wii is HD or not? The system is at the end of its life and it's successor (Wii U) has HD.

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (0)

MogNuts (97512) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207743)

It was more the point of the poster repeating the same old meme of "graphics aren't important! games must be fun!" and they use this same line over and over to justify purchasing something with shitty graphics. Nevermind the fact that games can have great graphics AND fun.

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40205841)

How about letting go of the same IP they've been using since they started the company?
It's just insane that a company can get away with doing that.

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (1)

gargll (1682636) | more than 2 years ago | (#40206105)

Let's just conveniently forget about [...] the Kirby yarn game

What's wrong with the kirby yarn game? It's obviously meant for kids and, as such, I think it's a great design. As a kid's platformer, I don't really see what more people could be asking for.

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 2 years ago | (#40206407)

And BRB, no-scoping some noobs that said they slept with my mother.

There is only one reason that applies more to the 360 and PS3 and not the wii. And that is because the wii wouldn't let you talk to the people you were playing with online. It has nothing to do with anything other than nintendo didn't put that feature on the wii.

But they seem to have included it on the wii U, so you nintendo fans will also get to experience preteens with high voices excitedly jabbering on voice chat about how they slept with your mother.

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (1)

captjc (453680) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207989)

It also has text and picture comments...so you also get trolled by dick doodles and racist pictures

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (1)

PortaDiFerro (1719902) | more than 2 years ago | (#40206421)

I've never owned a console (hmm, actually dad had some old thing once that had variations of Pong), and I haven't seen the need to downgrade to a one since I have a perfectly good PC to play games on, but now that I have small kids I've been thinking on Wii, since it actually brings something different to the table from PC games and should have plenty of suitable games for kids too. Only problem for me has been the SD graphics. I don't think I'm big snob about the graphics, but since the only screen I have is 130" projector screen I just wish it could do at least 720p. So I think I'll wait for this new console and see if it'll convince me to try it.

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40206585)

There were some other "out of the box" games I really liked on the Wii as well. Boom Blox was a blast, finally you can throw rocks and balls at stacks of things without making a mess in the house or having to clean it up again (and having your parents yell at you for damaging the room like when you were a kid). I got a huge kick out of No More Heroes as well, totally off the wall concept and well executed with the motion controls.

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (2)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 2 years ago | (#40206823)

Old school games do look much better in high resolution graphics with proper post processing. I recently played Persona 4 on a PS2 and PCSX2 emulator side by side when demonstrating this to a friend who was of the same opinion as you. The difference was astounding even though the original material is exactly the same and just rendered in (much) higher resolution with a couple of post-filters applied to it on the emulator. The game simply looked much prettier, which did wonders to enjoyment of the title where artistic approach to many things counts for a lot of presentation like it does in Persona games.

Great game play is good to have, but it can only carry you so far. Presentation is equally if not more important in many cases.

Re:Nice !! they are just 4 year behind in features (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 2 years ago | (#40206945)

Here in Europe we already have a car called the "Mii" [seat.co.uk]

nintendo - the living room integrator (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40206089)

I'm betting they are the first to fully integrate ipod/iphone, android and dozePhones as controllers.

Apple will be their main competitor in this regard with Apple TV.

Sony, Microsoft and Apple will all have the lock-in disease and only work with their branded devices. Nintendo will be the only one to be all inclusive. Thank goodness for competition!

Just my guess...

Email? (2)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205665)

As long as you're invoking Zawinski's Law, where's the email client?

Re:Email? (1)

Lewis Daggart (539805) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205793)

The controller has its own web browser

Flop (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40205677)

It looks terrible and it's going to flop.

Re:Flop (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40205695)

I thought the same thing about the iPad. Never overestimate the average consumer's taste.

Other way (1, Flamebait)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205893)

I thought the same thing about the iPad. Never overestimate the average consumer's taste.

I think the thing we should not overestimate is the intelligence of the Slashdot technoratii, who are miffed there is some corner of technology they cannot lord over others, and that average people can actually make significant use of computing devices. How unfair!

Re:Other way (2)

McFadden (809368) | more than 2 years ago | (#40206023)

And it doesn't run Linux.

Re:Other way (1)

Therad (2493316) | more than 2 years ago | (#40206233)

And it doesn't run Linux.

... Yet.

Cryptographic lockout (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207711)

Nintendo did a better job of locking down the DSi and 3DS than it did the DS and Wii. I don't see Linux or any other copylefted software getting ported to Nintendo platforms any time soon.

Re:Flop (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205953)

Think of it as Stickam with a hardware dongle?

Irrelevant (1, Interesting)

MogNuts (97512) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205701)

I'm gonna start this thread with some good 'ol flamebaiting. Well kinda.

I think Nintendo lost their relevance. They owned casual with the Wii. They failed to realize casual gamers are just that: casual. They have no allegiance. Words with friends on their iPhone is good enough now. Or Cut the Rope. They don't feel the need to buy a second box when their smartphone is good enough and games cost $1 or free.

People have moved on. Adding more gyroscopes or screens wont' help.

But that's an observation. But I have my bias. I moved on from Nintendo after I played Mario Kart 96 and Zelda 47.

Re:Irrelevant (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40205721)

I only play PC games for this very reason. The internal storage on the Wii just sucks, and I doubt there will be an iPhone app or interoperability with the Raspberry PI either. Major fail.

Re:Irrelevant (2)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205811)

But in the next mario, he has a puppy! you're not a brainwashed throwback-pretentious hipster if that gimmick isn't enough to make you beg to hear ole Mario say "lets-a-go" one more time!!!

Let me go grab my oversized glasses (so the SD looks its best), my PBR so I can call it a party, and my trst fund so I have plenty of time to spend reminiscing, contemplating, and focusing on masquerading as a mature productive adult.

Re:Irrelevant (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#40206413)

But in the next mario, he has a puppy! you're not a brainwashed throwback-pretentious hipster if that gimmick isn't enough to make you beg to hear ole Mario say "lets-a-go" one more time!!!

Being a fan of Nintendo's idea of what a sequel should entail is pretentious? Well I guess I had better take my glasses off and go back to playing FPS shooters.

Re:Irrelevant (4, Insightful)

the_nightwulf (1003306) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205837)

I moved on from Nintendo after I played Mario Kart 96 and Zelda 47.

Went back to Halo 67, Rock Guitar Band Hero 82, and Call of Duty 391, eh?

Oh, and Final Fantasy MCMX-37 part 24 disc 13.

How about Resident Evil 113?

Street Fighter 602 Gamma EX Super Turbo Edition perhaps?

Crash Bandicoot Bros. Racer part 88? Ok, that's really stretching.

I never understood people's incessant bitching about Nintendo milking their best franchises. Please name the companies that don't. Wouldn't be much of a company if they didn't.

Re:Irrelevant (1)

MogNuts (97512) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205873)

Yes they make sequels. But none have even come CLOSE, even CoD, to milking it more than Nintendo. Even your FF example: they've had like 12-15 in the span of 20 years. That's 1-2 years in Nintendo time.

Make no mistake. Your examples aren't even in the same league.

Re:Irrelevant (2)

Xeranar (2029624) | more than 2 years ago | (#40206103)

Mario was in 12 games starring him in 21 years. Final fantasy did 14 over 23 years. Without getting into the days difference final fantasy is releasing more often than Mario has. Zelda and metroid are far slower. Other have released in the single digits over the same time period. Admittingly Halo is behind the cure averaging only 8-9 in that same period at the current pace. The only issue for Nintendo has been third party support and always has been because they take their image and quality fairly serious.

The wiiU rectified the lack of power issue and will ironically hobble the PS4/720 as developers will simply port the basest version to the others. So third party support will flood the system, we'll probably see a more "traditional" controller show up as well for the fps games. It's shaping up t be interesting for Nintendo.

Re:Irrelevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40206205)

I love how you threw that "starring" in there, he is more than 200 games games, it's just disgusting.

Re:Irrelevant (4, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#40206485)

Mario was in 12 games starring him in 21 years. Final fantasy did 14 over 23 years.

It's even murkier than that. Look at Super Mario Brothers, then 2, then 3, then Super Mario World, then Super Mario 64, then Super Mario Sunshine, then Super Mario Galaxy. You don't play *any* of those games the same way. I don't mean that they have expanded levels or extra features, I mean the skills you learn from 2 don't directly apply to 3. Compare this to Grand Theft Auto 3, Vice City, and San Andreas. Sure, there are additions and improvements along the way, but you could be driving around Liberty City then suddenly materialize in Vice City and there wouldn't even be a hiccup in the gameplay.

I realize some of you are tired of hearing the name "Mario". I get it, no prob. But if you're going to rake anybody over the coals over video game sequelitis, is it really going to be Nintendo [crackedcdn.com] ? There's a difference between having a game that has "Mario" in the title and creating a sequel. Super Mario Galaxy II is a sequel to Super Mario Galaxy. Super Mario Galaxy is in the same franchise as Super Mario Sunshine. See how Galaxy isn't called Super Mario Bros. 7?

Re:Irrelevant (1)

Kahlandad (1999936) | more than 2 years ago | (#40206829)

Mario was in 12 games starring him in 21 years.

You are really, really leaving out a bunch of titles if you only come up with 12....

Super Mario Bros
Super Mario Bros 2
Super Mario Bros 3
Super Mario Land
Super Mario Land 2
Super Mario World
Super Mario World 2
Super Mario 64
Super Mario Sunshine
New Super Mario Bros
New Super Mario Bros Wii
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Mario Galaxy 2

These are JUST the sidescroller / platformers that star Mario. You can also include the following platformers, although the first 2 arcade games lack side scrolling and the others add RPG elements, but all of these star Mario:

Donkey Kong
Mario Bros
Super Mario RPG
Paper Mario
Super Paper Mario

We're up to 18 now. Other games that star / costar Mario, but are of various other genres:

Dr Mario
Mario Puzzle Party
Mario vs Donkey Kong: Mini-Land Mayhem
Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Tale

Now we're at 23... I can't think of any more that star Mario off the top of my head, but I know there were some Mario pinball games and a few other Mario puzzle games. And where do you even put Mario Paint?

Now, if you include other Nintendo platformers that don't STAR Mario, but do have platformer mechanics that are somewhat similar to the Super Mario series and star other prominent Mario universe characters, like Wario, Peach, Yoshi, and Donkey Kong you get:

Yoshi's Story
Yoshi's Island DS
Super Princess Peach
VB Wario Land
Wario Land 2
Wario Land 3
Wario World
Donkey Kong Country
Donkey Kong Country 2
Donkey Kong Country 3
Donkey Kong Country 64
Donkey Kong Country Returns

These are just the sidescroller / platformers based on Mario and his ilk. I'm sure I'm missing at least a few in there as well. I'm not going to count all the puzzle games, board games, mini game collections, racing games, sports games, fighting games, and other misc action games that don't star Mario per say, but are based on the characters in the Mario universe.

This is JUST ONE of Nintendo's franchises. You can complain about COD, Halo, and even FF until the cows come home, but the fact is, nobody, and I mean NOBODY, milks their franchises the way Nintendo does.

Re:Irrelevant (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207755)

Once you're counting Yoshi's Story and Donkey Kong Country on the Mario side, you have to count the SaGa series (aka Final Fantasy Legend), the Mana series (aka Final Fantasy Adventure), the Tactics series, the Crystal Chronicles series, and the Chocobo games on the FF side.

Re:Irrelevant (1)

Kahlandad (1999936) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207893)

Sure, I wouldn't have argued otherwise. The FF franchise would STILL have a long, long ways to go before reaching the levels to which Nintendo has milked the Mario franchise (let alone the Zelda, Pokemon, and Metroid franchises).

Re:Irrelevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40207409)

3rd party developers didn't flood to the original Wii, and I doubt they come out for the new one. Wii owners didn't buy third party games. when the third parties decided to "dumb them down" even more to reach the "typical" Wii audience, they sold even less. I doubt that third party developers are going to be interested in getting burned again.

Re:Irrelevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40206201)

You do realize that for most of their franchises, Nintendo makes one game per hardware generation, right? Occasionally they'll make 2. You're looking at 3-6 years between sequels. Your exceptions to that are basically Pokemon and Mario Party. Their 2nd tier franchises can go even longer between updates. Nintendo is one of the least sequel happy publishers out there. Most of the major publishers are on a 1-2 year cycle for sequels.

Re:Irrelevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40207261)

One of the least sequel happy publishers out there?? What the fuck are you smoking? They have a handful of major franchises and, altogether, literally hundred of games between them. Mario has over 200 by himself!

Re:Irrelevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40207497)

If you consider something like Mario Tennis to be a sequel to Super Mario Bros, yeah, they're sequel happy. You have to be smoking some pretty potent stuff for that to make any sense though.

Mario's a brand. There are a lot of different Mario franchises, that each get sequels once or twice per console generation. People are far more likely to buy a game if it uses the Mario characters than if it doesn't. That's just basic marketing.

Re:Irrelevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40207919)

How many Mario side-scrollers do you think there are? You don't even have to include remakes and rereleases. Just list how many side-scrollers Nintendo has released with Mario as the main character.

Re:Irrelevant (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 2 years ago | (#40206187)

No kidding it isn't like Madden 2012 wasn't released...

Re:Irrelevant (2)

donaldm (919619) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205861)

Looking at the article the Wii U controller is supposed to be a revamped version of the old NES game-pad which IMHO was a great way of crippling your hands and that controller does not look all that comfortable to hold even for adult hands. The Wii U will support all the other Wii peripherals though and this in itself is good since I don't think many adults would be happy with their kid handling a controller that won't be cheap (not confirmed) or even robust (not confirmed).

I think one of the most important attributes of any game controller is can it survive the drop test and looking at that controller I don't think it could survive repeated drops.

Re:Irrelevant (1)

MogNuts (97512) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205891)

Hah I remember the ol' NES gamepad. You're right, I forgot how uncomfortable it was. And even to press the buttons it took effort and it made a creaking sound. But I remember it fondly. But I sure as hell wouldn't wanna use one now! ;-)

I think the epitome of a great non-analog controller was the SNES controller. Oh my god if I could use that in Super Street Fighter IV Arcade today, I'd wreck. As of now I'm freakin terrible.

Re:Irrelevant (1)

donaldm (919619) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205967)

I think the epitome of a great non-analog controller was the SNES controller.

The first time I saw the SNES controller I thought "OMG I am going to have really sore hands using that". I was actually pleasantly surprised to find that the controller was actually quite comfortable and if you look down on most controllers today (except for the Wii remote and the Move) you can still see a similar layout to the SNES controller.

Another controller I did not like was for the N64's although my initial impression was that it looked comfortable however most games I played on it forced me to have one hand on the middle protrusion and the other on the outer one. Not very comfortable when playing RPG or action adventure games.

Re:Irrelevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40206079)

I think the Gamecube's controller is considered the best yet so far especially for the layout. The SNES was quite a solid one. Not too many buttons and buttons in all the right places and it also felt safe to throw without breaking it. The issue I had with the N64 controller more than anything was the analog stick. They gave sore thumbs easily enough and they always wear out. The Nintendo ones were the best, but they still got loose, even though the accuracy stayed because they used a laser-type sensor. Compared to the 3rd party (like Madcats) that used a mechanical sensor that became inaccurate and loose.

captcha: greatest

Re:Irrelevant (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40206217)

Nintendo has always designed their hardware to take substantial abuse. There's no reason to think this would be any different.

One of the most famous examples of this is the GameBoy that survived a bombing [gadgethim.com] .

Re:Irrelevant (1)

similar_name (1164087) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205875)

I think the Wii is a hit with young families. Trouble is those kids are getting older now so Nintendo needs to capture newer parents with young children. I don't know if they realize that parents with young children don't necessarily want a social networking aspect to the game system. I enjoy playing the Wii casually but it has always seemed cartoonish and geared towards family fun. Phone games don't fill the gap for a family with a 6 year old.

Re:Irrelevant (2, Insightful)

MogNuts (97512) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205903)

You know what is scary? I think competition for that 6 year old is the iPad. You're right, you'd think a family wouldn't want social for their kids. But I can't tell you how many little kids have their parents buy them iPads. It's scary. And not even the cheapest one. We're talking they have to have the 64 GB 3G one that's like what, $1000?

Now, I think it's more being a bad parent or a case of being lazy and just caving to a whiny kid, but that's another story.

Re:Irrelevant (3, Interesting)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 2 years ago | (#40206229)

No, it is just people getting old. When I got Nexus one, I handed my MyTouch down to my 6 year. The sales people at T-Mobile were a bit shocked that a 6 year old had a smartphone. The HTC rep was in the store, and was fascinated at our existence. It was a completely new concept to him that a 6 year old would have one of their phones.

The think was, the phone, even if purchased that day brand new, had a lower dollar value than a Nintendo DS with a dozen games. Yet no one would bat an eye over a 6 year old having that. $1000 is an expensive gift for a 6 year old, but for families that can afford it, it isn't out of line for what would be spent if there was no iPad.

Re:Irrelevant (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207521)

I've been thinking about this for my kids when they get a bit older. 6 may be a bit young, but once they are about 8, a tablet is a much better idea than the other hand held consoles. I'd rather pay $300 for a decent tablet, and then $1-$10 for games than spend $150 on a handheld console where I'd have to spend $30-$50 on games. After you buy 3-4 games, the tablet ends up cheaper, plus, they are great for doing so many other things, like watching movies, browsing the internet, and doing actual creation. People say that tablets are for consumption only, but with the right apps, you really can be quite creative. One last point, we are coming out of a big recession, and sure there are a lot of poor people, and who can afford these things, yadi yadi yada. But there are over 300 million people in the US alone, and there's plenty of people who make plenty of money who have no problem buying stuff like this. If you have a family where both parents are making $70,000 a year (no uncommon if both are well educated), that creates quite a bit of disposable income.

Early termination fee (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207789)

The think was, the phone, even if purchased that day brand new, had a lower dollar value than a Nintendo DS with a dozen games.

Including the ETF that you'd pay for not having a 24-month voice and data contract? It took three years for Android to get a serious competitor to the iPod touch.

Nonsense (5, Interesting)

medv4380 (1604309) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205949)

The Wii U will be as relevant as the Wii, which was as Relevant as the Game Cube, and the N64 before it. It won't be as relevant as the SNES and NES. Nintendo has been playing this game for a while now and every time people like you come out and claim they are dead and no longer relevant. The 360 and PS3 haven't sold as many units and Nintendo was able to make actual profit off of their system right at launch.

It's questionable if MS and Sony have really come out ahead of this or not given the systems cost. The only real reason why MS and Sony aren't releasing a new system this year is that they still haven't made up for all the losses they incurred from the last round.

If Nintendo ever fixes its issue with 3rd party developers then Sony and MS will have to worry since that is the only thing making their system relevant enough to stay in the market. Their 1st party development is lack luster and Nintendo can practically print money without the aid of 3rd parties.

They have only had ONE year with an operational loss. Look at what's happened in Japan in the last year tsunami/nuclear disaster, Every major industry in Japan has been in the red.

To add to your flaimbait. You have to be retarded and ignorant of the history to make the claim that Nintendo will be irrelevant. They've ether been irrelevant for the last 20 year or they haven't been and probably won't be.

The real danger to Nintendo (1)

k(wi)r(kipedia) (2648849) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207785)

The 360 and PS3 haven't sold as many units and Nintendo was able to make actual profit off of their system right at launch.

The problem isn't Microsoft (360) and Sony (PS3). The problem is Kodak. As an analog imaging company, Kodak was at the top of its class. Then the world slowly turned digital, but Kodak refused to go with the flow.

Nintendo's rivals aren't so Microsoft and Sony as the whole gadget ecosystem. As smartphone, tablet, and maybe even (Google) glasses become more powerful, there go the developers. So unless Nintendo transforms the Wii into a gaming cum kitchensink platform, it's in danger of becoming extinct. This is perhaps the motivation behind the Miiverse.

Re:Nonsense (-1)

MogNuts (97512) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207947)

How you got modded to 5 is beyond me. I know, it's because you're repeating the same incorrect meme's that are posted in droves to slashdot.

Now, let's back up a second here. Let's make one thing clear. I don't give a crap about who wins or who sold more or who is in better shape. Unless they pay my bills or pay me a salary, then they don't matter. In essence, if I buy their stuff, they end up even *costing* me money.

The Wii U will be as relevant as the Wii, which was as Relevant as the Game Cube, and the N64 before it. It won't be as relevant as the SNES and NES. Nintendo has been playing this game for a while now and every time people like you come out and claim they are dead and no longer relevant

Now, on to the show. You're so full of BS it isn't funny. Let's now debunk your again tired repeated meme armchair financial analysis. The Wii has been dead for 2 years now. Analysts and various articles have checked out the financials. Even Nintendo has admitted as such. According to them IIRC sales are down like over 73% (not exact, but ballpark).

The 360 and PS3 haven't sold as many units and Nintendo was able to make actual profit off of their system right at launch.

It's questionable if MS and Sony have really come out ahead of this or not given the systems cost. The only real reason why MS and Sony aren't releasing a new system this year is that they still haven't made up for all the losses they incurred from the last round.

Who cares? Did you miss the part where the xbox and ps3 are still selling strong and are maybe what like 10 million behind. And nevermind the fact that the attach rate is non-existent on the Wii where the ecosystem in which MS/Sony earn $7 per machine is much higher. And I don't know when they broke even, but I'm 110% positive your comment is bull that they haven't made up their losses incurred. They wouldn't be pricing even the *first* refresh at that point if it didn't make money at that point, nevertheless now lowering that price. For an armchair business person, you are surely lacking the basic fundamentals.

If Nintendo ever fixes its issue with 3rd party developers then Sony and MS will have to worry since that is the only thing making their system relevant enough to stay in the market. Their 1st party development is lack luster and Nintendo can practically print money without the aid of 3rd parties.

Nintendo will NEVER fix their issue with 3rd party. It's in their culture. And any developer worth their salt after hearing all the stupid whizbang screens and gyroscopes added knows what they learned from the wii. That the platform isn't worth it unless you're making "Babyz 4!" And Nintendo can't print money, as evidenced by the 3DS completely tanking and only now somewhat recovering by lowering the price a whopping $80.

They have only had ONE year with an operational loss. Look at what's happened in Japan in the last year tsunami/nuclear disaster, Every major industry in Japan has been in the red.

Can't blame that on Japan. Sales were down like 73%. You don't think that has ANY part in the fact that they lost $950 MILLION

I think it is more than that (2, Interesting)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#40206113)

One of the reasons the Wii sold was a gimmick. People were interested in the "wave the stick" around method of control. They bought it because it seemed cool, and wasn't too expensive. However that was a gimmick over all. Notice there's been no massive rush to a similar system the world over. That is because it really isn't that great. For a few games you find it is a superior method for control, but for the more part it is just different. Instead of pressing a button to do X, you make a certain motion. Ok, fine, whatever. Nothing revolutionary though.

Also like most gimmicks, it fades with time. The novelty wears off and it actually can become rather annoying. Like in Zelda it was a real pain to have to keep doing that sweep motion to do a spin attack rather than just press a "spin attack" button. That aside once the novelty wears off you are left with a below average console. It doesn't support HDTVs, it doesn't have full surround support (just Pro Logic), the graphics are pretty low level.

As such in the long run it has been sputtering out a bit. Ok fine again no big deal. Nintendo made a lot of money on it and that's really all they need to do. It was a success... However it really isn't a success to try and emulate.

Well that's what they are trying to do. Rather than make a solid console and market that, they are again going for a gimmick, this time with the whole silly "tablets as controllers" thing. I just don't see it working. For one, it is rare for the love of a gimmick to strike a second time around since it is as much luck with what consumers happen to be interested in as anything. Then there's the fact that tablets aren't novel to consumers. They are all over the damn place.

Motion control was novel. Most people had never seen anything like the Wiimote. It wasn't new actually, Gyration made mice that were motion control mice for a long time (no need for an optical sensor either). However it was new to the public. So that made the gimmick more interesting. They'd never seen it and wanted to play with it.

Tablets though, well just look at Apple's balance sheet, that'll tell you all you need to know about how many consumers have encountered tablets. It isn't something that'll make them say "Oh I need to try that!" since most of them have already tried it (and may indeed own a tablet).

I think the Wii U is going to flop on account of that. It's hoping for success on a gimmick, like the Wii had, and I don't think that'll work twice around.

Re:I think it is more than that (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40206679)

I must be reading a comment from about four years ago. Since the launch of the Wii, Sony has launched the Move and MS has launched the kinect. Regardless of them being innovations or evolutions or something totally new, they exist as a direct result of the success of the Wii and the Wii remote.

Re:I think it is more than that (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 2 years ago | (#40206865)

And both had nothing but gimmick games released for them. Essentially dance titles and other similar party games count for vast majority of stuff that is actually playable with these motion control schemes.

Hell, nowadays most of the "kinect compatible" games mean that you have some very limited voice command system that is generally inferior to controller-based one (example: ME3).

Not to even get into the whole "plays best with mouse and keyboard anyway" issue.

Ya and those have totally changed gaming! (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207639)

Oh wait, no, I mean the other thing, they totally HAVEN'T changed gaming. Only a few titles even use them, even less use them in any sort of real fashion, and those that do use them in a real fashion are often gimmick type games.

Ya, MS and Sony hopped on the bandwagon because the Wii was doing well (though for Kinect that's arguable, they started developing it in 2005). However neither have made a splash gaming wise. By and large games continue to be controller based as they've always been.

Sales figures back this up too. There've been 67 million 360s sold, but only 18 million Kinects, and more than a couple of those were sold for research using Windows, not the Xbox. Likewise back in the day the Wii outsold the other consoles considerably, to the point it is still the sole most sold of this generation (though the PS2 is the most sold over all) but lately both the PS3 and the 360 have been outselling the Wii individually.

The Wii was a success financially, and as with most successful gimmicks it got people interested in the gimmick. However it clearly is a gimmick as it is fading fast. I mean if it really were such a revolutionary method for gaming, why wouldn't the Wii U be all about it? Why would there be a completely different kind of controller? While yes the new tablet does have a gyroscope and accelerometer in it, it is very much not designed for motion control. It is designed for touch screen and for classical stick control.

Re:I think it is more than that (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207867)

Regardless of them being innovations or evolutions or something totally new, they exist as a direct result of the success of the Wii and the Wii remote.

AC, meet the PS2 Eyetoy, which predates the Wii...by several years. Also, SCEfoo was working on wand prototypes in 2002! Google "PS2 eyetoy magic duel" for more details on that.

Re:I think it is more than that (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207309)

Maybe gimmicks are all Nintendo has ever had... that, and an uncanny ability to exploit them.

When the NES hit the market retailers were suspicious of video games because they were hard to make money on. While gamers were beyond excited about the NES coming out (I know I was and I was little) they still needed a gimmick to get it into mainstream stores. This was so long ago the robot craze was still sweeping America, so they created R.O.B. and a couple shitty games to go with him so they could sell it as a "Robot Game System". Worked a treat.

By the time the SNES came along they had well-established characters. The Genesis was superior in many ways; the only thing the SNES really did that it didn't was rotation and scaling, and it was impressive but it still usually looked like poop. SNES still rocked.

N64's gimmick was 64-bit. Also alleged SGI heritage.

'Cube's gimmick was cuteness.

The rest is not history.

Re:I think it is more than that (0)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207367)

I think the Wii U is going to flop on account of that. It's hoping for success on a gimmick, like the Wii had, and I don't think that'll work twice around.

You clearly don't know the general populace. They aren't as smart as you think. I think there's every chance as many Wii Us will be sold as Wiis and I think there's every chance that like the Wiis they'll sit unused in people's media cabinets.

Western society have a horrendous track record with pointless consumption.

Re:Irrelevant (1)

muon-catalyzed (2483394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40206173)

That's exactly why they are trying to save the day by painting their controller black and appease to the "mature games" players, but that turf is already taken by Sony and Microsoft's consoles.

Re:Irrelevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40207067)

and that's your prerogative ... those of us with children will stay right were we are. I guess you wouldn't understand that seeing as how people with children aren't the majority and all ... whoops!

Re:Irrelevant (1)

Ogive17 (691899) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207249)

Moved on to what? Medal of Honor 5 or Call of Duty: World War 8? Can't leave out Madden 2020.

Truth be told, just about every successful consol game on the market these days is part of a franchise or series.

Re:Irrelevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40208063)

I hope you didn't move from playing "Mario Kart 96 and Zelda 47", to "Call of Duty 78 and Madden 20XX", cause that would be quite hypocritical.

Off-label uses? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40205715)

The Wii U GamePad has its own dedicated Web browser and can share images and video to a TV so that everyone can enjoy the shared content.

Sounds like a good resource for getting First Goatse [flickr.com] photos. You could do it with your whole family!

as in... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40205719)

Wii U ... as in F**K U ???

Re:as in... (0)

Aighearach (97333) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205853)

No, as in piss on you.

Well, there goes that (2, Interesting)

slashmydots (2189826) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205759)

The Wii was all family friendly and then late horrific rated M games like House of the Head Overkill where every third word was a swear word. That shocked everyone but it was to attract hardcore gamers. Who are they trying to attract with video chat? People banned from chat roulette? I'm sure the creators of that were thinking "oh boy, people will connect and learn about other cultures and there might be a weirdo or two but otherwise it'll basically be 99% Starbucks customers. WRONG! Freaks and pervs aren't outside in public being social, they're inside on their PC and Wii so I'm sure the video chat will be shut down. The only question is, before or after the class action law suit by parents?

Re:Well, there goes that (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40205791)

Xbox also has video chatting... no crazy baseless lawsuits about that yet.

The Wii only allowed people to add friends if both people, on both sides, did so. There were no friend requests. I assume Wii U will either do that for everyone, or will have some similar mode of operation for child accounts. (the Xbox 360 and PS3 both block video and voice comm for child accounts, IIRC)

Re:Well, there goes that (2)

88NoSoup4U88 (721233) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207341)

With the amount of precautions they took (I'd say it was too much) with the Friend-codes having to be entered on previous generations of their console, only to be able to play a coop-game, I deem it unlikely that this chatting will be fully open.
So I don't think that the comparison with the unfiltered Chatroulette is making sense.

Re:Well, there goes that (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 2 years ago | (#40208047)

I've played a fair bit of "House of the Dead", but i'm intrigued by this new "House of the Head" thing, though i'm not sure what to think of the "Overkill" part. What's overkill in terms of head?

Greedo sued first (4, Insightful)

fragMasterFlash (989911) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205787)

So which incumbent social media giant will drag Nintendo into litigation over patent infringement first?

I thought I misread that at first. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40205847)

At first I read it as "Nintendo Reveals Wii U's Metooverse Social Network", so I took a closer look, and yup. I read it right.

Great (-1, Flamebait)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#40205995)

Now I can video chat with other mouth breathers about how fucking awesome Zelda 87 is even though the controls are shit, the graphics are only a half notch above last gen and the storyline is meant for a 6 year old

pass

Bart (1)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40206241)

If you squint your eyes, the E3 logo in the /. summary looks like Bart Simpson.

Cool! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40206315)

Wow, it's very social. I can watch others, others can watch me, and we can, I don't know, trade stuff and... and...

Yeah, I'll stick with MAME.

Wii social network? (2)

kiddygrinder (605598) | more than 2 years ago | (#40206481)

sure, just email your friend your 15 digit friend code and then if you want to play a game together simply email your 15 digit game code! you can even share a picture or a comment by exchanging a simple 15 digit post code! the future is now!

Re:Wii social network? (2)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 2 years ago | (#40206509)

Lol, exactly. It's amazing how good they (Nintendo) are at some things and how ridiculously bad they are at others.

The WII is fine (4, Insightful)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207307)

All of the Nintendo haters need to calm down. I started playing Nintendo at the age of 6 or 7. When I was that age we WERE Nintendos customers. Most importantly we could actually play the games Nintendo was putting out. Now that I'm a father, and stick my son in front of any console on the market that's not a Nintendo and expect them to play a game? It's impossible. In fact, anyone that isn't a 16-35yr old male that's played video games for most of their life is going to have trouble grasping most games these days. Nintendo realized that and hence the WII. My kids can play it. My mom can play it. There's nothing wrong with that. This is what Nintendo always was. They realized that if they kept chasing the other console companies the industry would eventually paint itself into a corner. Is it for the hardcore gamer that plays nothing but FPS all day? No... but that's ok. There's room for what they've done... a lot of room.

Re:The WII is fine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40207415)

It's not impossible. My kids like XBox Kinect way more than the Wii, and they have no problems using it. Nintendo is the one who needs to be catching up at the moment.

Wii U (-1)

P-niiice (1703362) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207451)

I know the Wii made Nintendo several dozen fuckjloads of money, but they won't get a penny from me if they continue to focus on first-party rehashes of their old franchises. Which is exactly what it looks like they're doing.

Terrible design. (1)

Krau Ming (1620473) | more than 2 years ago | (#40207875)

"The redesigned Wii U GamePad features dual sticks, a touch screen that supports finger and stylus interaction, motion and gyroscope sensors, and the ability to act as a TV remote. The Wii U GamePad has its own dedicated Web browser and can share images and video to a TV so that everyone can enjoy the shared content."

But no bottle opener. For shame.

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