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Xbox Second Screen Announced

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the take-another-look dept.

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kodiaktau writes "Microsoft has announced a feature called SmartGlass that provides a new set of features when viewing media on mobile or PC devices. Sources say that it will provide context focused advertising/product placement as well as metadata about the media you are currently viewing. Additionally the interface allows you to store viewing data and share between your desktop and mobile devices to continue viewing content between devices. From the article: 'SmartGlass also allows you to view the web on an Xbox 360 using Internet Explorer. The tablet or phone becomes the keyboard and you can easily browse web pages without having a physical keyboard in the living room.'"

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"...using Internet Explorer" (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40211641)

No, thanks.

Re:"...using Internet Explorer" (4, Informative)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212173)

It is IE 9, not IE 6 or the crappy dumb phone nefront on the PS 3

Re:"...using Internet Explorer" (1, Funny)

SockPuppetOfTheWeek (1910282) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212213)

He said "no thanks". Did you not hear him or something? Maybe he should say it in all caps?

Re:"...using Internet Explorer" (3, Informative)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212695)

Why not use IE? Honestly, it sucks WAY less than it used to!

Re:"...using Internet Explorer" (1)

SockPuppetOfTheWeek (1910282) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212893)

I'm afraid I can't tell if you're serious or not.

Re:"...using Internet Explorer" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40213441)

Internet Explorer: It sucks way less than it used to(TM).

I'll pass.

Re:"...using Internet Explorer" (5, Funny)

gweihir (88907) | more than 2 years ago | (#40213541)

Microsoft products. When "sucks way less" is the replacement for "good".

Re:"...using Internet Explorer" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40213471)

What, is he afraid he might get viruses on his super vulnerable Xbox 360?

Re:"...using Internet Explorer" (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212827)

Probably not even IE9 but IE10, since the update is coming in the fall and Windows 8/IE10 is expected to go RTM/Gold by Aug 1.

Re:"...using Internet Explorer" (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#40215001)

Its IE dude, it still yucky. I will give the IE guys credit for supporting low rights mode (Which FF STILL doesn't do, even though the feature has been out for 5 years now) but the Chromium based do too and they are frankly faster and suck less resources, at least from what I've seen. They also have a nice version of ABP and it seems like every malware writer on the planet aims straight for IE because that's what grandma uses, so I agree with the other guy, no thanks Billy.

Re:"...using Internet Explorer" (1)

aglider (2435074) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212559)

Sorry mr. An Onymous Coward, I don't have any mod points to bring you to "+5 insightful".
Please, complain to mr. Slash Dot.

Allready copying Nintendo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40211665)

They were late to the "rip off Nintendo" game last gen, so now they are on it before the Wii U is released.

Re:Allready copying Nintendo (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40211791)

Well, it's certainly similar in concept, but there's a pretty big difference between "interact with this included piece of proprietary hardware" and "interact with otherwise unrelated standard hardware". I was expecting the "standard hardware" to mean Windows hardware, but there does seem to be iOS support, hopefully Android support to follow once Windows 8 tablets inevitably fail.

Re:Allready copying Nintendo (2)

anss123 (985305) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211893)

hopefully Android support to follow once Windows 8 tablets inevitably fail.

Android support was mentioned. (Though not in the linked article)

Re:Allready copying Nintendo (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40211797)

Let's be honest here. Wii U was not first. They did it with Gamecube / GBA.

But did they not rip that off from the dreamcast? I'm arguing a strong yes here.

Re:Allready copying Nintendo (0)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#40215099)

Yep I surfed on the old Dreamcast many a time back in the age of dialup, its really wasn't bad. of course web pages were a lot simpler then so they didn't take gobs of bandwidth and puke JavaScript everywhere, but for a console (I think it was based on WinCE IIRC) it really was ahead of the game. Its a damned shame it bombed, it was the only console that would run emulators that i know of without hacking. I still have my old DC put up for when i feel like breaking out some classic SNES or Genesis or NES, it was a great console.

As for TFA, has anybody announced the hardware specs on the 720 or whatever they are gonna call it? Because if the reports are to be believed the PS4 is gonna be an X86 that is roughly the same as your average $400 PC, so if MSFT doesn't push the hardware we PC gamers may be ahead of the curve even at release day. Personally I'd be fine with that, the current gen graphics look damned sweet to me and the price of development is getting so high trying to crank up the graphics that if they don't stop we'll be looking at hundred dollar games. Does anybody know if the Xbox is going AMD or Nvidia? because if they go AMD that will leave Nvidia without a console next gen, quite a coup for AMD.

So while I won't be buying one (or Win 8 for that matter) I always like to check out new hardware, so if anybody has a comparison of what the new hardware is gonna be I'd love to read it. I figure the Nintendo will be the weakest but finding out PS4 was going MOR X86 was kinda a shock, now all that's left is to see what MSFT brings to the table.

Re:Allready copying Nintendo (1)

anss123 (985305) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211849)

They were late to the "rip off Nintendo" game last gen, so now they are on it before the Wii U is released.

LOL. Well, Nintendo copied them back this time (with the pro controller).

What they won't be coping is games that make good use of this feature.

Re:Allready copying Nintendo (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212237)

Well, in this case both of them copied the Sega Dreamcast [wikipedia.org] , assuming that Sega was actually the first one...

On a side note: that thing looks like it might make an original XBox controller feel comfortable!

Re:Allready copying Nintendo (1)

jtdennis (77869) | more than 2 years ago | (#40213285)

and the Dreamcast ran Windows CE, so it could be said that MS was the innovator originally.

Re:Allready copying Nintendo (3, Interesting)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#40213767)

Erm, no.

Hardware != OS. Sega designed the Dreamcast, not Microsoft. Sega just implemented some of Microsoft's software within it.

If I made a revolutionary new virtual reality system, and happened to choose Linux to run it, would you say that Linus Torvalds was the innovator responsible for this virtual reality system?

Re:Allready copying Nintendo (1)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211877)

and alfred sloan copied ford? what's your point?

the second and third guy to do something is usually the successful one because historically the entrepreneur is stubborn and sticks to his narrow vision

Re:Allready copying Nintendo (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212689)

the second and third guy to do something is usually the successful one because historically the entrepreneur is stubborn and sticks to his narrow vision

Except that nowadays the first guy patents it, and demands shake-down money from everybody else because somehow the patent office granted a patent on either an idea, or something which reads as "something well known, but with a computer".

Somehow, we call this innovation.

Re:Allready copying Nintendo (1)

ToastedRhino (2015614) | more than 2 years ago | (#40214013)

While I wholeheartedly agree that there is a serious problem with the patent system, I don't understand why everyone seems to think this is a new thing. Inventors, or should I say "smart" inventors, have always patented their creations in an effort to lock others out so that they can make as much profit as possible. In fact, that's why the patent system exists.

Right now the focus of patent complaints seems to be largely on software patents, which I agree are largely bunk, but that's not the point. In the past there have been numerous patent wars over a bunch of things that are widespread and largely taken for granted today.

It's well-known that Edison fought hard to keep others from making motion pictures using patents he was granted [wikipedia.org] , for instance.

The story of the "inventor" of FM radio is full of patent disputes and mistakes by the USPO. [wikipedia.org]

There was also significant conflict, with court cases going all the way to the US Supreme Court, regarding telephone patents [wikipedia.org] back in the day.

The point of all of this being that the patent system has always been great for "inventors" and horrible for everyone else. That's kind of the point.

So in summary, are software patents bogus? In my opinion most (and maybe even all) of them most certainly are. But is the use of the patent system to "shake-down money from everybody else" anything new? Not at all. So can we please stop pretending that it is?

Re:Allready copying Nintendo (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#40215185)

Hell you can go farther back than that friend, there were injunctions and patent trials [wikipedia.org] over the first steam engines and that case goes back to 1792. and Watt himself used a sun and planet gearing on his steam engines to get around a patent for using a steam crank design so even back then there were inventors having to work around patents, that's the way its been as long as patents have existed.

Re:Allready copying Nintendo (1)

Captain.Abrecan (1926372) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211953)

Yeah because the kinect technology hasn't been in development since 1999 or anything, you friggin fanboy

Re:Allready copying Nintendo (1)

ganjadude (952775) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212463)

right and because ONLY that software was in development since than.... but no, your not a fanboi....

Re:Allready copying Nintendo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40213167)

It was... by Sony and called the EyeToy

Yay, something I don't need and don't want (-1, Troll)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211669)

How about you work on a next gen console, and stop adding useless crap to your tired console from 2005?

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (4, Insightful)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211757)

To be fair, the summary is extremely harsh and implies the feature is primarily for advertising. The article gives an example of displaying a map depicting where all the action is happening during a TV show—a little like how the game Supreme Commander delegates additional resources to dedicated tasks (like a monitor just for a strategic view) rather than simply virtualising them all together as one big viewport.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211915)

The summary doesn't mention it, and I winder ... by phone or tablet, do they mean *any* phone or tablet, or are they going to pull an Apple and lock it to their devices?

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (4, Informative)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211995)

At the keynote they said it will work with Windows 8, Windows Phone, iOS, and Android. Now to what degree of "works" is yet to be specified. I imagine iOS and Android apps might have access to a subset of features, but it's nice to see some attempts at cross platform functionality.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40213029)

other platform support will be

1) poorly implemented
2) deliberately gimped
3) late
4) all the above

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211999)

So it's like a Gamecube with the Gameboy attached..... the Gameboy displays extra info about the players or overall maps. Nothing new really.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (2)

Cinder6 (894572) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212209)

The problem is that a lot of the stuff mentioned were already possible before this "technology". You can open IMDB on any phone or any tablet already. This sounds a bit more interactive, but why should I be reading about a scene instead of just watching it? There are some potential gaming applications with it, but am I supposed to juggle a controller and a tablet at the same time in order to get a "full" experience? Doesn't sound particularly fun. (Maybe they want me to use Kinect+tablet, but shouting at my TV is definitely not fun.)

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212273)

Presumably the same reason Lost had plot-explanation captions in some broadcasts—to facilitate sloppy storytelling and information overload.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (1)

mattack2 (1165421) | more than 2 years ago | (#40214633)

Umm, those were in *reruns* of shows. They were essentially the same as trivia commentary tracks on some DVDs.

It wasn't like these were in the initial runs of the shows, and necessary to understand the show. They were additional info, for fans. (At least a couple of them succeeded in getting me to watch a rerun, when I otherwise would't've.. But I skipped the ads as always, so it wasn't too successful on the network's part.)

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 2 years ago | (#40214831)

Regardless, I get the feeling they'd've been useful in the initial broadcasts too sometimes!

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (1)

mattack2 (1165421) | more than 2 years ago | (#40215539)

I inferred that you were disparaging them in the original post I responded to. Now it sounds like you thought they were useful.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (1)

Dynedain (141758) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212529)

I can think of a few examples why I'd want this in addition to simply watching.

My wife and I are working our way through all the Star Trek series right now on Netflix, we're in Voyager now. I can't count the number of times we've said "hey, is that the actor from such and such episode or other sci-fi series?" and pulled up IMDB while letting the show continue to play. Having that info auto-linked would speed up the time it takes to find and get us back into the episode that much faster.

Similarly, in a series like Game of Thrones, imagine if you had the full index from the books at your disposal. You could look up who a forgotten character is to remind you of the plotlines. The intro segment on an episode is usually insufficient if you don't watch them back to back.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40212633)

Has nobody noticed that this is, essentially, the same idea as the Wii U from Nintendo?

Wait, What Are We Doing Wrong?! (5, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211773)

How about you work on a next gen console, and stop adding useless crap to your tired console from 2005?

But but but, we can help you find products that you want to spend money on! Don't you want that? Don't you want to spend money? Don't you want to see the new shinies that are coming out on the expensive game system you paid moneys for? Are you some communist that is against buying stuff? And we can build a WEB SERVICE with the RIAA that helps you make sure that you're playing a REAL copy of your favorite movie or album and will make sure you're not some victim using victimizing bittorrent, horrible handbrake and the dangerous PS3MediaServer to enjoy your game system. We just want to give you more purchasing power and help you manage your digital rights. Don't you want power and rights? Huh?

Typical Slashdot bullshit (4, Insightful)

mystikkman (1487801) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212305)

Interesting. If they work only on the XBox 720 and abandon the 360, the typical Slashdot comment will be "OMG THEY WANT TO FORCE YOU TO BUY A NEW CONSOLE THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO GET NEW SOFTWARE FEATURES LIKE A BROWSER".

If you bought a XBox 360, all this is amazing value lasting years (minus RRoD issues which they fixed at their cost) and you can still use all the new features like using your existing iDevice or Android device with the new games.

Why is this a bad thing again, isn't it just more value for your money? They're not even charging the 5, 10 or 20 bucks for the big software upgrades that Apple used to charge for the iPod Touch upgrades.

Why is the summary so lame and talks mostly about ads? I don't even see the "Sources say... ads" line in the article... where did it come from? Now we're going to see that picked up in the comments and without even a proper source.

Again, since when is adding features to something you already bought a bad thing? And no, I am not new here. So I guess it's because we're talking about 'M$' on the Slashdot circle jerk inborn retardation channel. The saner people have left in disgust and the inmates run the asylum, right from the submitters to the commenters to the moderators, perhaps editors too.

Re:Typical Slashdot bullshit (0)

rullywowr (1831632) | more than 2 years ago | (#40213763)

.....and you can still use all the new features like using your existing iDevice or Android device with the new games.

Obviously you didn't RTFA because it says explictly that Android devices are not supported. Only iOS and Windows Phone/Tablets.

Re:Typical Slashdot bullshit (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40214767)

and yet the keynote explicitly mentioned it.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (3, Insightful)

Kaenneth (82978) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211775)

Because the 360 (and PS3) are "Good Enough"

Just like DVDs vs BluRay, sure BluRays hold more detail, higher res, etc. but DVD is sufficient for most people. Many are even willing to get lower quality for more convenience, like crappy streams/ 'R5' torrents. I would say the main reason DVD's outsold VHS is the lack of Rewinding.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (1, Informative)

zlives (2009072) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211875)

you are doing it wrong. " 360 (and PS3) are "Good Enough""

I stopped playing PS3 after last year's madden, the season progression took 15-35 minutes, the game start takes several minutes... time for new hardware...

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (2)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211891)

"Stop adding value to my current investment and bring out a new platform so I can throw money at you all over again!"

Never thought I'd hear that on slashdot, the place that almost universally derides the upgrade train from LPs to tapes to CDs and then on into the downloadable content realm.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212091)

Upgrading from LP to cassettes to CD don't offer new content..... just the same old stuff that you need to repurchase. But the 5-year-cycle for consoles provides better sound, better graphics, and new games. We want and are willing to pay for improved technology & the new game styles it permits. (Unless you're still sitting there playing your old Atari?)

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212551)

Better graphics and new games are something you get in the current cycle, without upgrade consoles. Games from 2012 look a lot better than they did in 2005 on the same hardware.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (3, Interesting)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40213047)

Better graphics and new games are something you get in the current cycle, without upgrade consoles. Games from 2012 look a lot better than they did in 2005 on the same hardware.

This has pretty much always been the case with most formats- the later games look better as they get to grips with the hardware and standards generally improve. Later Atari 400/800 and Commodore 64 games looked miles better than some of the first releases.

Conversely, while the first tranche of next-generation games may look marginally impressive next to their predecessors, it's often not that big a leap, e.g. I remember when my flatmates bought a PS2 in early 2001 and the games looked slightly improved over what you'd expect from the original PlayStation, but nothing that impressed me that much. (The Grand Prix racing game in particular looked just like a PS1 game with higher resolution). Similarly, the early PS1 game Road Rash looked pretty much like a Mega Drive/Genesis racer, just with a few added polygon buildings and some FMV slapped on.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (1)

mattack2 (1165421) | more than 2 years ago | (#40214717)

Upgrading from LP to cassettes to CD don't offer new content

But the 5-year-cycle for consoles provides better sound,...

So you're claiming that LPs, *with the pops/clicks and skipping*, sound better than CDs? Especially "to normal ears".

(Unless you're still sitting there playing your old Atari?)

That's ironic, with your username. While I haven't played any of my Atari 2600 games in a long time, I do think some are "still" fun. Heck, I'll probably get a Wii at some point to play the various Mario games (from the Wii download store) I never played, which is the vast majority of them... as well as Wii games. (I wish the current PS3s were backwards compatible to play my PS2 games.. In fact, I'd pay probably as much for an emulator to then play ALL of my existing PS2 games as I would pay for the the PS3 "upgraded " [in some cases downgraded] versions. Unfortunately, I may hold my nose and 're-buy' a couple of the PS3 versions, esp the Sony published ones, since they will end up free after credit card points.)

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211899)

Why not graduate from consoles and move into PC gaming?

If it wasn't for the rumors that next gen consoles are being designed I would have expected the next gen consoles to be stripped down PC's with a content delivery system that works on consoles and PC's.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (1)

P-niiice (1703362) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212117)

Because consoles are leading gaming now. There will be those few PC games I care enough about to have the right hardware for, but when a game is available on both platforms, I'll get the console version first.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40212473)

Because consoles are leading gaming now.

if you believe that and buy into it... you're telling the console makers and console/pc game developers that

you're OK with one-time-use serials to prevent rentals and used game sales..

you're OK with paying a subscription (e.g. xbox live) on top of the top-dollar paid for a game, just to play it.

you're OK with paying for DLC or content packs that really should be part of the game (and in some cases is actually delivered on the game media but cost extra anyway)

you're happy with the high price of games today....

and you don't mind all of these things making their way to PC gaming (because you're used to it all on the consoles)...

in other words, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40212585)

You're lying. Neither liking consoles nor acknowledging them as the current leading platform type in gaming imply any of those things. You're trying to use emotional blackmail to shame console fans into switching sides, which is stupid for many reasons.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (3, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212787)

Do you honestly believe that the PC gaming companies aren't doing all of this too?

They don't have one time serial numbers? They don't have additional DLC and add-on costs? They don't have DRM that requires an always-on internet connection? They don't cost a fortune?

I'm pretty sure I've seen people complaining about all of these things in PC gaming.

At least on a console I don't have to worry about what other crap they're doing behind the scenes.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40215739)

you're OK with one-time-use serials to prevent rentals and used game sales..

Wrong, that's just as much an issue with PC games.

you're OK with paying a subscription (e.g. xbox live) on top of the top-dollar paid for a game, just to play it.

Wrong, that's only XBox that has subscription fees and wrong again on needing to pay that just to play it.

you're OK with paying for DLC or content packs that really should be part of the game (and in some cases is actually delivered on the game media but cost extra anyway)

Wrong again, this is no different from PC games.

you're happy with the high price of games today....

Wrong again, games on consoles were no more expensive than those on PCs.

and you don't mind all of these things making their way to PC gaming (because you're used to it all on the consoles)...

Nope, they are already in PC gaming because they aren't something that was introduced in console gaming.

Your whole pathetic rant is just a long list of fail, you lose!

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (1)

Spaseboy (185521) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212135)

Overhead of the OS. MS tried the "stripped down PC" with the Xbox...it's already been tried. Didn't work.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212149)

Microsoft altready tried the "Smash a PC into a console" with the original Xbox, and they lost a lot of money doing it. It is cheaper to design a console that is easy-to-assemble and save some cash, especially if it is designed to allow integration later on (such as the PS2slim with one single CPU instead of several independent chips).

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212325)

Why not graduate from consoles and move into PC gaming?

Because not everybody is interested in PC gaming?

It's just another machine to buy and keep up to date, and it is probably more effort than most people are willing to invest.

I don't play games often enough to want to do anything other than pop in the disk, play the game a while, and turn off the console.

I'd be willing to bet most people who play on consoles don't want to have a PC gaming rig, or they'd have done so. I for one have no interest in getting into the "which super awesome video card do I need now". A console is more like an appliance, plug it in and go, which is precisely what I want it to be.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (1)

lexman098 (1983842) | more than 2 years ago | (#40214603)

I for one have no interest in getting into the "which super awesome video card do I need now".

To be fair, these days it's more like "which super awesome video game is going to finally require me to upgrade my video card". If you get a decent one (less than 100 dollars) it will last a ridiculously long time playing all the latest games at close to max settings. My theory is that the games are designed in the first place for console hardware which hardly ever gets deprecated, even after a new console version is released.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212709)

Why not graduate from consoles and move into PC gaming?

Oh no, I already spent way too many years of my life chasing THAT dragon, thank you very much.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (1)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 2 years ago | (#40215761)

Why not graduate from consoles and move into PC gaming?

Because not everyone wants to be on the forums on launch day questioning why their drivers are crashing when they adjust their settings to get a balance between performance and visual quality. Look at the myriad of posts on the forums for AAA titles complaining of crashes with different hardware combinations and hurried releases of drivers to try and fix problems.

Re:Yay, something I don't need and don't want (1)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211929)

to me the non-game stuff was the best part of the show. the latest shoot everyone till they are dead game is getting pretty old.

getting rid of extra crap i have and using the x-box for everything is something i'm looking forward to. few years ago i thought sony was going to do this, but once again sony screwed up

As many have said before... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40212119)

It's called "XBox 360" because after one look you will turn 360 degrees and walk away. Er...by walking backwards...I guess....

batting 1000 (4, Funny)

rullywowr (1831632) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211719)

So let me get this straight. The XBOX360 console, which is more than capable of surfing the web by itself, needs an ad-fueled tablet or other controlling device to enable web functionality. WTH is wrong with the keypad they already have?

Wow. Steve Ballmer batting 1000 lately.

Re:batting 1000 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40211799)

Yes, because *I* want these features to interrupt the video I'm watching, or overlay, or do some other stupid shit instead of using a second screen I already have to do it gracefully...

Re:batting 1000 (2, Insightful)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211903)

the penetration rate of tablets and smartphones is a lot higher than proprietary x-box keyboards that will just add to clutter around the house

Re:batting 1000 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40212129)

Any USB keyboard works on the xbox, I don't think he was referring to that hideous chatpad thing.

Re:batting 1000 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40213075)

Proprietary xbox keyboards... you mean any USB keyboard? Plug in a wireless dongle and you can have it floating wherever, or just plug in any keyboard and go.

Re:batting 1000 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40214177)

Yes. Those proprietary, standard USB keyboards which are so expensive and totally hard to find at, well, anywhere.

Re:batting 1000 (1)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211973)

Steve Ballmer batting 1000 lately.

Remove the 1 and the remaining digits are on the money...

Re:batting 1000 (2)

zoward (188110) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211987)

Hmmm ... I have the little xbox keyboard attachment for my wired controller. I wonder if I'll be able to use IE with that? No mention of it in TFA.

Re:batting 1000 (1)

toriver (11308) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212771)

He did say "keyboards don't belong in the living room". So STOP IT!

Re:batting 1000 (1)

rullywowr (1831632) | more than 2 years ago | (#40213743)

He did say "keyboards don't belong in the living room". So STOP IT!

I think the shareholders are saying that "Steve doesn't belong in the board room."

Re:batting 1000 (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40214467)

Does it actually say that you need a phone/tablet to enter text for web browsing? I'd expect it to just work with any existing Xbox accessories that enable you to type.

2004 called.... (1)

UltimaBuddy (2566017) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211811)

they want their ideas [wikipedia.org] back.

Re:2004 called.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40211879)

they want their ideas [wikipedia.org] back.

Two problems:

1. 2004 called. They want their cliche back.
2. That cliche might be appropriate if not for the very very lucrative truth behind the "IT PRINTS MONEY!" meme regarding the DS.

Re:2004 called.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40213227)

Regarding #1, it's actually closer to 1993. That joke came from (or at least, was popularized by) some stupid bit on Saturday Night Live where David Spade basically repeated it for ten minutes straight.

Giving the people what they want. (5, Funny)

LighterShadeOfBlack (1011407) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211873)

Finally, Microsoft has listened to it's customers and fanbase! People have been clamouring for years to have context focused advertising/product placement on their Xboxen and now these long years have loyalty have been rewarded. Bravo, Microsoft. Bravo.

Re:Giving the people what they want. (1)

LighterShadeOfBlack (1011407) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211897)

its*

I hereby hand in my Grammar Nazi ID card and matching lanyard. Oh, the humiliation.

Re:Giving the people what they want. (1)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212067)

I hereby hand in my Grammar Nazi ID card and matching lanyard.

Congratulations, comrade. You are now a Grammar Commie.
Your membership papers and code-keyring will be sent after you submit appropriately completed forms in triplicate.

Re:Giving the people what they want. (1)

dstyle5 (702493) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212645)

its*

I hereby hand in my Grammar Nazi ID card and matching lanyard. Oh, the humiliation.

You missed the second one:

"...these long years have loyalty have been rewarded".

Shred it! ;)

Re:Giving the people what they want. (1)

i kan reed (749298) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211911)

I always have mod points when I want to comment, and never when i want to mod.

Anyways, I agree. Ads have pushed me away from the 360. Advertisements are literally among my most loathed concepts. I used to be a FAN of the xbox. Not anymore.

Re:Giving the people what they want. (5, Funny)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212021)

Ads have pushed me away from the 360. Advertisements are literally among my most loathed concepts.

What, you think just because you spent several hundred dollars on hardware, and continue to pay a subscription fee to access online content, you shouldn't be bombarded with advertisements every time you turn the thing on? How else are they supposed to make money???

I swear, the selfishness of today's consumer...




.../sarc

Re:Giving the people what they want. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40212579)

I just don't get it. I'm pretty invested in the MS ecosystem (Windows on my home PC's, huge Windows Phone proponent, Skydrive / Zune music subscriptions, etc) but this type of shit has me seriously considering walking away and going back to Apple. It's unfathomable to me how MS can show such complete disregard for user experience. Is the ad revenue from Xbox display ads really that significant in the big picture? Why not focus on making customers happy instead? NOBODY wants to see Mountain Dew ads in their game console menu but unfortunately a lot of people tolerate it.

Re:Giving the people what they want. (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#40213325)

I have to agree. I hate seeing video ads when i fire up my game console. Even my Tivo displays banner text strings when you pause and i PAY them for the privilege of them injecting ads into my OTA feed. I cant stand the hubris of modern electronics manufacturers. While i hate how my apple TV wont let me rearrange the interface a bit to put my content to be featured instead of stuff for purchase, it has never shown me advertising, EVER.

Re:Giving the people what they want. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40214571)

Isn't "stuff for purchase" advertising? Or do you mean it's ALWAYS a direct result of you searching for something?

Re:Giving the people what they want. (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#40211923)

With a battle cry go forth which is
"Give the people what they want."
And what the people want could only be the senseless slaughter
of the gutter-slime that litters this nation for cash and prizes.
Yes, this is the show where people bet their lives to win something big.
'cause when your life is shit, then you haven't got much to lose on
Slaughterama!

Re:Giving the people what they want. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40211975)

lmao oh god

Re:Giving the people what they want. (4, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212087)

This is why the marketers need to be dragged out in the street and gutted like pigs :)

You know that an engineer came up with the idea of SmartGlass, and it was really cool... in the lab. The awesomeness was then taken as a prototype to a bunch of executives who cooed and went gaga over their new money maker... and then the marketers came in and fucked the whole thing up by "giving" customers exactly what they don't want.

Good Job, Marketers, Hip Hip Hooray! :)

Re:Giving the people what they want. (4, Interesting)

subreality (157447) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212703)

It reminds me of Netscape Constellation. Netscape invented a pretty cool system where you could have a network-portable desktop - you could log into any computer anywhere, and all your stuff (programs, documents, desktop, everything) would come up for you. Think Chromebook, but more app-oriented, and in 1997.

One TINY feature of this was push content. Then the Netscape marketing department got wind of it and said "You mean we can use this to PUSH ADS?"

Then all the other stuff was ripped out, and the push content part of it got released as Netcaster, part of the Communicator suite.... And then was promptly ignored by everyone, because the only people interested in pushing content to you were advertisers.

Re:Giving the people what they want. (1)

mattack2 (1165421) | more than 2 years ago | (#40214613)

It reminds me of Netscape Constellation. Netscape invented a pretty cool system where you could have a network-portable desktop - you could log into any computer anywhere, and all your stuff (programs, documents, desktop, everything) would come up for you. Think Chromebook, but more app-oriented, and in 1997.

Gee, kind of like NFS home directories? From 1984 (according to wikipedia).

Re:Giving the people what they want. (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212271)

Yes, because the only thing this does is display ads. From the videos and information released, that's probably about the *least* of what it does. A keyboard/mouse for internet browsing on the TV. A second screen for gaming that displays things like mini maps (a la supreme commander). Allows you to push video and audio around between devices (like airplay). It's even cross platform with Android and iOS support.

And like clockwork, Slashdot comes out crying "invasive advertising shenanigans"!

I see... (2)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212907)

So this time Microsoft is looking to copy the new Nintendo console BEFORE it comes out.

Let me get this straight... (1)

zeroryoko1974 (2634611) | more than 2 years ago | (#40212931)

They want you to connect your phone or tablet to your xbox360, and then use the phone or tablet as a keyboard to browse IE on the Xbox360? Why not just skip that and have an on screen keyboard? Or you know, actually connect a keyboard. They got these fancy wireless one now. Oh what does it matter, after my 6th broken Xbox360, I bought a PS3 and it has outlasted every single 360 I ever bought.

I hope it has Metro (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40213007)

And skydrive-support! Awesome! Windows Phone Sync OMG!
Oh wait wait wait.. oh. jizz BING!!!
I cannot wait for this SmartAss! I want it rite nao!

wtf no android? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40213593)

So it's coming up on IOS and Windows Phones? I expected Windows Phones but IOS over Android? I just want a native browser on the Xbox so if I want to look something up quick I can. Why won't MS just give us a basic browser to use?

Re:wtf no android? (2)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 2 years ago | (#40213759)

so if I want to look something up quick I can.

If you would of used that same logic to goto YouTube and actually watch the announcement you'd know it is supported on Windows, iOS and Android platforms.

Finally! (1)

elabs (2539572) | more than 2 years ago | (#40215823)

I can't wait to get my hands on this! I can't beleive that nobody has solved this problem yet. Hopefully SmartGlass will deliver. i also hope it can talk directly to the XBox through your home router instead of going out to the cloud and back down. We'll see. Oh, and while I'm asking for stuff, let us develop XBox apps using Xaml/C# (or some flavor of Silverlight).
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