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Artist's Catcopter Causes a Stir

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the poor-tatse dept.

The Military 360

derekmead writes "I'm not sure that Dutch artist Bart Jansen had political commentary in mind when he created the Orvillecopter — combining a stuffed cat with a quadrotor, and naming it after Orville Wright — but indeed it's art, whose meaning will lie in the eye of the beholder. And for those that say stitching up a dead animal around the guts of a helicopter and flying it around is 'sick,' what of the massive drone industry, which, more than just producing a symbol, actually is creating flying death?"

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Leather belt/jacket/shoes (5, Funny)

br0ked (2629951) | about 2 years ago | (#40211935)

So of the people that are complaining, how many wear a leather belt, jacket or shoes?? For the record I think this is pretty cool and hope when I did they make me into a drone and fly me over all of my ex's houses on a regular basis....

art? (-1, Offtopic)

noh8rz3 (2593935) | about 2 years ago | (#40212141)

ftfs:

but indeed it's art, whose meaning will lie in the eye of the beholder

I do not think that word means what you think it means...

Re:art? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212369)

If you want to comment on something from TFS, make a new comment, don't reply to the first, completely unrelated comment. It's obnoxious and it completely destroys the flow of conversation.

Re:Leather belt/jacket/shoes (0, Troll)

Sebastopol (189276) | about 2 years ago | (#40212145)

Me.

I'm wearing leather.

I think it's tasteless to use a cat because I think they are cute. He can do whatever he likes, I just think it is crass. I would have used a dog, and probably would have upset dog lovers. They would also have the right to complain and try to stop me.

So what confuses you here?

Re:Leather belt/jacket/shoes (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212265)

I think it's tasteless to use a cat because I think they are cute. He can do whatever he likes, I just think it is crass. I would have used a dog, and probably would have upset dog lovers. They would also have the right to complain and try to stop me.

Hear, hear. I think it's cute to use a cat because the taxidermist did a good enough job in making it, well, smile as it flies towards you. I think it's hilarious, and when my cat's time comes, I'll likely choose to immortalize her thus.

Re:Leather belt/jacket/shoes (5, Insightful)

g0bshiTe (596213) | about 2 years ago | (#40212521)

I think it's funny because when the thing crashes it won't be a big deal. Cats always land on their feet.

Re:Leather belt/jacket/shoes (4, Funny)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#40212407)

>>>So what confuses you here?

Some politician somewhere will try to outlaw the stuffing of cats. (And then go stuff dead cow flesh into his mouth while he walks-round in dead cow skin.) It is confusing why some animals are protected & their killing outlawed, while other animals get murdered in the billions.

Re:Leather belt/jacket/shoes (2)

g0bshiTe (596213) | about 2 years ago | (#40212539)

I'm in agreement here. I don't understand why those animals they put down in the millions due to not being able to find them homes, aren't used to feed the starving.

Re:Leather belt/jacket/shoes (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about 2 years ago | (#40212601)

Talk to PETA! I am sure they would LOVE to do the right thing and help the homeless eat with all the animals they kill

Re:Leather belt/jacket/shoes (2, Insightful)

g0bshiTe (596213) | about 2 years ago | (#40212505)

It's a media stunt. Had it been a pet owner that was an rc enthusiast I could possibly see, but this guy sought out someone to do this. Most likely for the notoriety.

Re:Leather belt/jacket/shoes (1)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about 2 years ago | (#40212613)

They would also have the right to complain and try to stop me.

They would have a right to complain. They would have no right to try to stop you.

Re:Leather belt/jacket/shoes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212363)

It's tasteless because the cat was supposedly his beloved pet. Come on.

Re:Leather belt/jacket/shoes (1)

EStrat (174854) | about 2 years ago | (#40212513)

Reading comprehension fail. The cat used by the artist was roadkill, not a beloved pet (though it could have been someone's beloved pet).

Re:Leather belt/jacket/shoes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212515)

Since it was his beloved pet and not your beloved pet, shouldn't he be the one to decide if this is tasteless?

Re:Leather belt/jacket/shoes (0)

g0bshiTe (596213) | about 2 years ago | (#40212483)

Leather jacket, belt, shoes at least 95% of the animal was used from meat to eat to clothing, to pet toys. Do you think the artist can say the same?

It aint RIGHT! (-1, Flamebait)

jhoegl (638955) | about 2 years ago | (#40211937)

Dead things need to stay dead. What a jackass.
I would like to see someone stuff him and make him into a publicity stunt when he is dead.

Re:It aint RIGHT! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212123)

Should have used a live cat instead, that would be much more tasteful.

Personally I don't see any difference between this and what Damian Hurst produces (It's not for everyone I suppose), except that this flies, which is cool :-)

Re:It aint RIGHT! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212171)

Troll, troll, troll your boat...

Re:It aint RIGHT! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212289)

I normally would think this is terrible, but I'm sick of all the animal rights crap, so I love it.

heavy (2)

X0563511 (793323) | about 2 years ago | (#40211939)

Looks heavy, but it does bring up a question:

Why is it that these UAVs are always naked? Why not build a very simple lightweight frame to stretch some nylon over or something? Give it some kind of a flashy skin.

Do it right and it might help flight in moving air (since the air would just pass around, instead of pushing against the components)

Re:heavy (3, Informative)

QuasiSteve (2042606) | about 2 years ago | (#40212025)

Why is it that these UAVs are always naked?

Because in general you want to avoid putting on extra unneeded weight.

Do it right and it might help flight in moving air (since the air would just pass around, instead of pushing against the components)

The airstream from the rotors itself already hits barely anything (i.e. the struts). I'd guess you could get some better airflow depending on the shape of those struts, but adding a skin between the struts wouldn't help much..in fact, it would make it easier for the wind to 'catch' it.

Toy quadcopters that you can get off-the-shelf for cheap (but usually have poor gyros and are too small to handle themselves in even a slight breeze) do typically have more of a a body, though.

I can't decide... (3, Funny)

eagee (1308589) | about 2 years ago | (#40211947)

Is cat-copter adorable, or disturbing?

Re:I can't decide... (0, Offtopic)

wolfsdaughter (1081205) | about 2 years ago | (#40212075)

Disturbing :(

Doing things like shows lack of empathy, and is I believe is disrespectful to life.

"disrespectful to life?" (1, Funny)

Medievalist (16032) | about 2 years ago | (#40212147)

You have to be kidding me.

Or was that an ironic take on the gay marriage debate? Please say yes.

Re:I can't decide... (5, Insightful)

spidercoz (947220) | about 2 years ago | (#40212181)

Didn't realize the dead have feelings with which to empathize. And since when has humanity possessed any respect for life? Only when it serves an agenda.

Re:I can't decide... (1)

Nutria (679911) | about 2 years ago | (#40212365)

And since when has humanity possessed any respect for life?

It's situational: civilization doesn't progress far w/o "local" respect for human life, and some disrespect for "foreign" human life is partly good at unifying the tribe.

Disrespectful to death you mean surely ? (4, Insightful)

aepervius (535155) | about 2 years ago | (#40212225)

I dunno. I respect life and so forth, but once my pet are dead, or i am dead, who cares ? A corpse is a dead heap of rotting protein and has no intrinsic empathic value. People when they visit tomb in a cemetery are rarely visiting the corpse, but rather re-visiting the memory of the person, working on their grief. At least he found a value to his dead pet : big fat advertising.

Re:Disrespectful to death you mean surely ? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212565)

Oh look, a bunch of aspies try to look "intellectual" by dispassionately defending something just this side of corpse desecration, because it's "just a bag of protein," and "totally illogical to be offended by that."

Just because you never learned how to feel doesn't mean it's "normal" to be a sociopath.

been around a while (1)

Thud457 (234763) | about 2 years ago | (#40212267)

You think that's bad, don't read up on Walter Potter's [wikipedia.org] work.

Or does making it a zombie cyborg (cyborg zombie? what is the proper nomenclature here? ) make it somehow worse?

Re:I can't decide... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212443)

Indifference to the suffering of others indicates psychopathy, narcissism, or sadism.

Re:I can't decide... (2)

strength_of_10_men (967050) | about 2 years ago | (#40212211)

Lord help me, as much as I love my kitty, even I had to LOL at this.

I think it's the expression on the helicat's face more than anything else.

Re:I can't decide... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212295)

Extermely disturbing to birds. To cats, the stuff of dreams.

Re:I can't decide... (1)

ZeroSumHappiness (1710320) | about 2 years ago | (#40212323)

I actually brought this up at lunch today and all of my coworkers were very much in the "disturbing" camp. I was surprised since I find it rather interesting. I guess I really am that weird.

Re:I can't decide... (4, Informative)

Megane (129182) | about 2 years ago | (#40212511)

It's adorasturbing. I think it's important to know that the cat died a natural death and that the decision was made afterward. Now the cat can continue to chase birds after death. And the determined look on its face is rather awesome.

Re:I can't decide... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212537)

Replace a dead cat with a human cadaver. Is it still difficult to differentiate between disturbing and adorable?

For myself, this is disturbing. It makes a mockery of creature, whether it is alive or dead. It's like taking a head of a murder victim, sticking it on a pole and calling it art. Sure, maybe the victim doesn't care anymore, but the entire display is a mockery of life.

Heck, I think this could be a good test to see if someone is a psychopath. A psychopath would definitely not find anything wrong with this usage of a "cat".

Re:I can't decide... (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about 2 years ago | (#40212647)

as long as the human wasnt killed fore the sake of the "art" than no, it is no different, It would also be no different than the museum in NYC that has many human bodies on display in different stages of "being mutilated".....in the name of science that is

Is it worst than an ear-mouse? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40211949)

http://www.famouspictures.org/mag/index.php?title=Ear_Mouse

Ceiling cat is watching you first post. (1)

Thud457 (234763) | about 2 years ago | (#40211967)

A flying zombie kitty?

Does it spew guns from it's mouth while giving out helpful life advice?

Re:Ceiling cat is watching you first post. (5, Funny)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 years ago | (#40212101)

A flying zombie kitty? Does it spew guns from it's mouth while giving out helpful life advice?

No, but it does have a rainbow streamer and a really, really annoying theme song.

Re:Ceiling cat is watching you first post. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212205)

I have never seen the mice this scared.

Enough with the commentary (2)

smooth wombat (796938) | about 2 years ago | (#40211983)

that of the massive drone industry, which, more than just producing a symbol, actually is creating flying death?"

There is a clear and distinct difference between using a dead animal as a work of art (which is pushing the limit of what art really is) and using man-made tools to go after people who have expressed in both word and deed they want to kill us.

Post the article, leave out the commentary. Or would you prefer when articles are posted about government science research, commentary regarding how this only feeds the beast be included?

You don't "get" art, do you? (3, Insightful)

MrEricSir (398214) | about 2 years ago | (#40212077)

The commentary IS the art. To leave out the commentary would be to miss the entire point.

Re:You don't "get" art, do you? (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | about 2 years ago | (#40212257)

The commentary IS the art. To leave out the commentary would be to miss the entire point.

Um, no. The commentary in this case was the second hand blog article - which starts speaking of drones, kill lists, etc - and not the original artist's commentary as far as I know. (Though someone who speaks Dutch could confirm it.)

Re:You don't "get" art, do you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212367)

The commentary IS the art. To leave out the commentary would be to miss the entire point.

"*annoyed grumbling* Yes, I know I dug up this family that was tragically killed in a house fire earlier this year! Geez, you fucking fascists, all I did was desecrate their corpses, remove all their innards (including mortician preparations), replace them with marionette mechanics, and have them do amusing dances as meat puppets for my art exhibit in front of their friends and surviving relatives! BUT DO U NO WHO TEH REAL MONSTERZ AR?!?!?!?!!?1??!?/!? Maybe if YOU had as many fucking art degrees as I had, never polluted your work by personal interactions with other human beings, and took as many recreational drugs as I have, you'd understand such a simple concept and why it's so important I made a mockery of the dead like that!"

Re:Enough with the commentary (0, Troll)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#40212337)

>>>go after people who have expressed in both word and deed they want to kill us.

Take a look at the youtube video of the little girl whose jaw was blown-off by a drone. In fact there are thousands of videos just like that. You really think these little kids deserve to be shot all to hell, and their bodies permanently damaged, just becasue "I'ma skeered little american"

Big. Fat. Pussy. That's what you Americans are. No better then the Natsi scum that broke into homes and shot kids "for sport".
Americans are the new Holocaust.

   

Re:Enough with the commentary (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | about 2 years ago | (#40212383)

There are also thousands of photos taken ever since photography was invented, all of the maiming that humankind has done to one another over the countless years.

Drones aren't anything special - but they do remove the risk to a pilot in the process, and thats good enough for me.

Re:Enough with the commentary (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 years ago | (#40212421)

Big. Fat. Pussy. That's what you Americans are. No better then the Natsi scum that broke into homes and shot kids "for sport". Americans are the new Holocaust.

How do you know "smooth wombat" is American? I though wombats were exclusive to the Australian continent? Anyway, I both agree with the commentary regarding drone attacks, as well as the humor of flying roadkill, and I am an American. So... you know...

"Most generalizations are false, including this one." -- Samuel Clemens

Re:Enough with the commentary (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | about 2 years ago | (#40212527)

There is a clear and distinct difference between using a dead animal as a work of art (which is pushing the limit of what art really is) and using man-made tools to go after people who have expressed in both word and deed they want to kill us.

Yeah. One of those things is legal. The other is not.

Re:Enough with the commentary (4, Insightful)

Arker (91948) | about 2 years ago | (#40212545)

using man-made tools to go after people who have expressed in both word and deed they want to kill us.

You mean people like Tariq Aziz and his 12 year old cousin? There is no evidence that they expressed any such wish at any point. Wouldnt be surprising if their families feel that way now, though.

Needed Chuck Testa (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212005)

That is some very bad taxidermy, the expression on the cat-corpse is completely unnatural. Ignoring the part about it being stretched over a remote control helicopter, that expression is so wrong that both the drone and the taxidermist need a blast of birdshot to the face.

Also, since I was just reading some Warhammer-related content, isn't there a Necron unit that wears the skin of living enemies over its cold, metallic body?

Respect (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212033)

It is not very respectful to take a dead animal and put it on a quadcopter.

Its a lot more respectful to put the thing in the dirt where you may potentially drive over it time and time again. I mean, thats how it died and I am sure it died doing what it loved.

Its freaking dead. For all I care he catapulted it into the moon. Its not like he killed it to make his quadcopter skin. People are fucking retarded.

Re:Respect (1)

Dr. Zim (21278) | about 2 years ago | (#40212083)

Its not like he killed it to make his quadcopter skin.

Yeah! It's not like he.... uh... so what if he did?

Re:Respect (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212283)

I believe it was driven over. And if he did it, thats a case for animal rights. That he used the skin on a quadcopter is not that relevant.

So how many lives do drones save? (2)

Beeftopia (1846720) | about 2 years ago | (#40212035)

They're up there, occasionally letting loose a missile, sending video back to operators. Does that provide any benefit to friendlies?

Remember - all actions are viewed FROM a perspective, and WITHIN a context. Dropping the atomic bomb on Japan, from the perspective of allied troops girding for the invasion of the Japanese mainland, and viewed within the context of the greater wold war swirling about them, was a great idea. From the perspective of the Emperor, it was a terrible idea. From the perspective of the Japanese citizens about to be incinerated and crushed, it was a terrible idea.

Perspective and context. Always necessary to take into account when analyzing an action.

Re:So how many lives do drones save? (3, Insightful)

ravenshrike (808508) | about 2 years ago | (#40212127)

From the perspective of all the Japanese citizens that survived vs would have been killed in the course of invasion or even just a sustained firebombing campaign over all of Japan's major cities. the nukes were also a good idea.

Re:So how many lives do drones save? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212405)

Given the limited number of Japanese psychics in the world war II era, I think you would find a limited number of Japanese citizens who were thankful to the US for their magnanimosity.

Oh sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212047)

Hayao Miyazaki makes a cat-bus and it's cool, and My Neighbor Totoro gets critically lauded. This guy makes a cat copter and suddenly he's Hitler. What a fickle public!

As if he's pointing out hypocrisy? (1)

vistic (556838) | about 2 years ago | (#40212085)

"And for those that say stitching up a dead animal around the guts of a helicopter and flying it around is 'sick'" -- yes, it is.
"...what of the massive drone industry, which, more than just producing a symbol, actually is creating flying death?" --- that's sick as well.

Hilarious (4, Funny)

ifrag (984323) | about 2 years ago | (#40212103)

Almost had to LOL just looking at the pictures. This idea is great, he should make an entire series of dead animal RC vehicles. And then have some kind of epic death match crashing them into each other.

Re:Hilarious (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 years ago | (#40212477)

This idea is great, he should make an entire series of dead animal RC vehicles... then have some kind of epic death match crashing them into each other.

Not sure the term 'deathmatch' would apply... then again, that may be the most appropriate usage of the term ever.

Of all time.

PETA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212105)

...is going to have a field day...

Re:PETA (2)

NiteShaed (315799) | about 2 years ago | (#40212503)

...is going to have a field day...

Are they though? I mean, sure, they want people to treat animals well (by PETA standards) while they're alive, and they definitely don't like it when people turn live animals into dead animals, but doing weird stuff with an animal carcass that was already dead when the guy got it? I'm not sure it fits in with their general focus...

ADDENDUM: Okay, after typing that, I had the idea to google for "peta position on eating roadkill". Yes, they actually have one [peta.org]. I'm thinking the catcopter may actually be okay by PETA standards....

Utterly contrived article (1)

poity (465672) | about 2 years ago | (#40212139)

Did the artist himself say anything about growth in drone technology and usage? It seems to me that motherboard/vice is using the "art is in the eye of the beholder" as a broad excuse to connect the two. Well, Jackson Pollock paintings look like coleslaw to me, so maybe I too can base a polemic on our modern obsession with health foods and fad diets around that observation?

Re:Utterly contrived article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212233)

Art is food for thought, not thought for food.
Although you may take that with a grain of salt.

A True to Life ROFLcopter (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212161)

I can't stop laughing. If I owned this I would terrorize small children, the elderly and political parties that I disagree with.

So much outrage! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212167)

There is one positive comment on the website, where's the outrage again?

no, not funny at all, in any manner (4, Funny)

Thud457 (234763) | about 2 years ago | (#40212359)

dear god help me, there's a guy running a leafblower outside my office while I look at those damn pictures!

News for Nerds, stuff that matters... (1)

diewlasing (1126425) | about 2 years ago | (#40212195)

...I think not.

Re:News for Nerds, stuff that matters... (1)

SteveInMI (985850) | about 2 years ago | (#40212357)

Really? It may not "matter" in terms of galactic importance, but I think a case can be made for this article being "News" and/or "for Nerds". All work and no play, you know... And I'm not sure I would want to live in a world where repurposing dead cats doesn't count as play.

Missed opportunity (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212199)

I know he was going for tying in the outrage of the cat with the flying drone thing, but he missed a brilliant opportunity to use a small pig instead.

What I really want to do... (5, Funny)

judoguy (534886) | about 2 years ago | (#40212243)

... is fly this thing around, meaning above, a dog kennel. Every dog who has terrorized a cat will panic big time. The rest will go nuts trying to leap up high enough to get the damn flying kittie.

Death from above (1)

Meditato (1613545) | about 2 years ago | (#40212299)

Imagine the looks on the faces of mice as CATCOPTERS rain death from above!

Re:Death from above (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212581)

Those mice are laboratory research animals to be used for experimentation, and as such, are to be held only in the highest respect, you insensitive clod.

Now once they are dead, we should totally wrap their skins around some wind up toys. For target practice you know.

[Going for funny. Probably failed.]

Outrageous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212321)

I, for one, am outraged at this. Where's the respect? Where's the dignity?

And, most importantly, where's the Instructable page?

Hmm. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212361)

I guess that there's 102 uses for a dead cat now.

Both disgust (1)

Tommy Bologna (2431404) | about 2 years ago | (#40212427)

>what of the massive drone industry, which, more than just producing a symbol, actually is creating flying death?" Your question depends on a false assumption. Just because we haven't risen up and overthrown our drone-flying overlords doesn't mean we must condone the inappropriate display of a pet carcass under the guise of "art." Both can be (and are) morally abhorrent.

And, in honor of the artist (1)

yoctology (2622527) | about 2 years ago | (#40212459)

And to show him the same dignity as his beloved pet, when dies I think he ought to be stuffed and made into the first literal batman.

Two birds, one stone... (1)

ChaoticPup (80891) | about 2 years ago | (#40212489)

Big cities are talking about getting drones these days, and many of them have a feral cat problem...

Where do I submit my invoice for consulting?

Typo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212517)

*the eye of the beerholder

just one problem (1)

j2.718ff (2441884) | about 2 years ago | (#40212589)

The cat's looking forward. He can't possibly see anything below him, making him most un-useful at making observations, and I imagine landings would therefore be tough. That's really the only issue I have with this.

try another article for some perspective (5, Informative)

liquidsin (398151) | about 2 years ago | (#40212595)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2154283/Cats-away-Artist-turns-dead-pet-flying-helicopter-killed-car.html?ITO=1490 [dailymail.co.uk]

this isn't some mad scientist-type murdering strays to build controversial art. this is an artist who taxidermied his pet after it was hit and killed by a car. the cat was already named 'orville' and the artist thought it befitting to send his pet to play with the birds it so loved in life. the article posted with the /. story tells none of the real info and offers only inflammatory and barely-relevant commentary.

What's the big deal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40212635)

A little pussy never hurt anyone...

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