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Star Wars: 1313, a 'Darker, Grittier' Star Wars Game

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the no-jar-jar-here dept.

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MojoKid writes "When it comes to Star Wars, the gaming industry has a long history of cranking out titles of uncertain quality. For every brilliant title like Knights of the Old Republic, we've seen several clunkers and a few outright failures like Republic Heroes. LucasArts demonstrated a new Star Wars game at E3 this week, Star Wars: 1313 and despite the brand's uneven history, folks are cautiously optimistic. The 1313 moniker refers to a specific level of Coruscant which is a haven for criminals, bounty hunters, and crime lords. You take on the role of a bounty hunter looking for information on an unspecified criminal conspiracy who descends to 1313 in search of data. This will likely be the first Star Wars game to be rated 'M' for mature, and it focuses on the seedy underbelly of the universe."

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133 comments

Lame (1)

kamapuaa (555446) | more than 2 years ago | (#40228597)

Hard to tell from what little it on display, but it looks like a Star Wars take on Uncharted - where the emphasis is on making it through set pieces, rather than proper game play. I hope to be pleasantly surprised, but this game looks like something you'd be just as well off checking out a few highlights on Youtube rather than playing.

And for every KOTOR there are far sight more than a few clunkers and failures.

Re:Lame (4, Insightful)

macshit (157376) | more than 2 years ago | (#40228677)

Er, yeah, sure, I like open games too, but Uncharted was really fun. Really really really fun. Uncharted is one of the few games I've played through many times (and similarly for Uncharted 2, which was arguably even better).

So while I'm generally kind of down on overly linear games, when done well, they can be wonderful. So don't write off "1313" just yet...

Re:Lame (2)

ShakaUVM (157947) | more than 2 years ago | (#40230239)

Eh, different strokes for different folks. I have trouble enjoying linear games. Uncharted drove me bonkers.

Skyrim is much more my cup of tea.

Re:Lame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40230969)

Uncharted 2 is the best game I have ever played. Have played through it several times, the second time just to accumulate all the treasure. Fun all the way through. This game looks good from the very brief clips. I also thought both Force Unleased were great games, so I am probably biased.

Re:Lame (1)

BigSes (1623417) | more than 2 years ago | (#40233223)

I enjoyed Uncharted as well. In my trophy-whoring ways, I played the hell out of it, but beating it on the hardest difficulty drove me nuts and I gave up. It still haunts me. I remain impressed with those who can platinum it. Never played 2 or 3, mostly because of the required online trophies.

Re:Lame (1)

thereitis (2355426) | more than 2 years ago | (#40228707)

Agreed. The graphics are amazing, but the game looks stiff and scripted. Some people like that genre of game, I suppose, but it's not my cup of tea.

Re:Lame (5, Funny)

CanEHdian (1098955) | more than 2 years ago | (#40229007)

the game looks stiff and scripted

In this game, the Force guides all your actions...

Re:Lame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40228719)

In the video the guy mentioned they wanted to blur the transitions from cut scene and gameplay so you're not sure which state you're in. That sounds like crap for an FPS (so it must be a strict path adventure game). You're going to be forced through the story wheather you want to take a few steps backwards or not. I'd hate if that jumping scene was actualy gameplay (as in when you control the character. If you're not controlling the players, it's not real gameplay wheather it's the ingame engine or not). How do you know what you're supposed to jump to? Are you supposed to grab the ledge fast enough to keep from falling off?

I won't be able to play this on my laptop. $70 more for me :)

(still hoping for a SWBF3, sigh)

Re:Lame (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40229105)

blur the transitions from cut scene and gameplay

That's code for quick time events.

Re:Lame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40229773)

This doesn't look any "darker" or "grittier" than TFU, TFU 2 or Republic Commando.

For a truly dark Star Wars game, I recommend KOTOR 2. In my opinion it was better than the original in almost every way. It had much improved gameplay, great characters, complex interactions between those characters, an interesting storyline and an overall bleak atmosphere.

Re:Lame (1)

Tarsir (1175373) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231145)

The ending sucked though :P

Re:Lame (1)

P-niiice (1703362) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231433)

I loved KOTOR 2 but it was obviously rushed out the door. I don't appreciate paying good money for unfinished games.

Re:Lame (2)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231417)

I saw their presentation on G4 yesterday. It was a joke. All they have is some concept art and a vague idea about it following bounty hunters. They're barely in pre-production. They had so little information that I'm not sure why they were even at E3. I guess LucasArts wants to remind people that Star Wars still exists, since there hasn't really been a decent Star Wars game since the KOTOR/Battlefront days in the early 00's (unless you count The Old Republic, which seems to have burned out pretty fast).

1313 ... PG-13? (3, Funny)

Korbeau (913903) | more than 2 years ago | (#40228627)

Please show me some hardcore 18+ Star Wars with Nathalie Por ... heu, Chewbacca kinky X-mas explosions and stuff.

Re:1313 ... PG-13? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40228759)

Can you hang Gungans wtih their own tongues and hack the swinging bodies into bits with your lightsaber?

If so, I'm in.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:1313 ... PG-13? (1)

colinrichardday (768814) | more than 2 years ago | (#40228881)

Meesa no like that! -- Jar Jar Binks.

Or is that the point?

Re:1313 ... PG-13? (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231447)

I think LucasArts' idea of "mature" these days is having Han shoot first and not having some annoying kiddie character running around making fart jokes.

I'm burned out, thanks to TOR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40228661)

Sorry, but while it wasn't the suckiest MMORPG I've ever played, it comes close. In the top 5 for sure.

That and I've heard rumors of some other movies they made once. Apparently they weren't very good?

Re:I'm burned out, thanks to TOR (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40228981)

The Old Republic had flaws, but if you haven't played five worse MMOs then your experience is limited.

Re:I'm burned out, thanks to TOR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40229615)

The Old Republic had flaws, but if you haven't played five worse MMOs then your experience is limited.

I agree, but to be blunt the only Star Wars game since the old school Tie Fighter which was worth spending money on was the MMO. And a lot of people didn't consider the MMO to be worth it either, although personally I had a good bit of fun playing it.

Maybe this will be good, maybe not. Lucas seems to hand his licensing to anybody willing to pony up the cash without any real concern for anything else.

Re:I'm burned out, thanks to TOR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40230595)

but to be blunt the only Star Wars game since the old school Tie Fighter which was worth spending money on was the MMO

You mean the old vector graphics arcade game? If so, then I have to disagree on the other-not-worth-playing part. Dark Forces was really well done IMHO. I haven't played most of the other SW games, so I've no opinion on them.

Re:I'm burned out, thanks to TOR (1)

wed128 (722152) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231055)

I think he means that first-person tie fighter sim that was very "Wing Commander". It was a lot of fun mid-90s.

Re:I'm burned out, thanks to TOR (1)

noh8rz3 (2593935) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231825)

I played a lot of x wing but not tie fighter

Re:I'm burned out, thanks to TOR (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40231249)

I still have pretty fond memories of playing Dark Forces. It felt Star Warsy - back when the Star Wars IP lived off the good graces of the original trilogy.

These days? It's so tainted and diluted with an abundance of junk that it no longer represents any particular tone, style, or theme.

Re:I'm burned out, thanks to TOR (0)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231473)

Sorry, but give me "Knights of the Old Republic" *ANY* day over "The Old Republic" MMO. If I wanted to play WoW, I would play WoW.

Re:I'm burned out, thanks to TOR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40232663)

I'm smart enough to ignore the really really really really bad MMOs.

If you want, I can clarify it to the A-List MMOs.

Re:I'm burned out, thanks to TOR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40231643)

SWG pre cu
best mmo ever made

Real-time rendering.... (1)

Junta (36770) | more than 2 years ago | (#40228669)

The 'interviewer' being overwhelmed that the scenes aren't pre-rendered seems pretty forced. Considering that pretty much every new title looks about that good/bad, disbelief around a scene being realtime seems silly. I do think it is part of a good trend of moving away from the pre-rendered scenes. So long as all graphics are done realtime, you can easily forget just how lacking the graphics are. In a modern title with cutscenes, they just serve to remind you that the lighting isn't quite right, reflections are bad, and textures just look not-quite-right. Stranger still are the obviously 'pre-rendered' cutscenes, but seemingly done in the game engine (e.g. the lighting and other stuff is still obviously off, but with the added mismatch of resolution and in some cases even encoding artifacts).

In terms of gameplay, who knows how it will be. I will say one of my first thoughts is the last scene looked like you were handed control, and within 5 seconds a cinematic sequence happens taking the control away for the scripted scene to play out. I hope that's the exception not the rule. Just because a cinematic, scripted scene isn't a 'prerendered' cutscene, doesn't mean it is any less intrusive on the gaming. At least with the cutscene scenario, you knew you weren't controlling it, nowadays it isn't uncommon that you will still be trying to control your character a few seconds before you realize control has been disabled.

AKA (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#40228697)

Starwars Pumps and a Bump edition

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsunEfZFG1Y [youtube.com]

Good luck with that, the edgy card only works when you are not known for being soft

I suspect there really is a god. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40228745)

But only when I'm farting.

No other time.

Chest high walls....chest high walls everywhere (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40228767)

Seriously. Can we all move past the GOW cover based shooting formula already? It's been obnoxious for a long time now. The Dark Forces series was awesome back in the day. Noticeably absent were chest high walls.

Re:Chest high walls....chest high walls everywhere (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#40228947)

In the future... there will be crates.

(OK fanboys, I know Star Wars is set 'a long time ago')

Re:Chest high walls....chest high walls everywhere (1)

Dekker3D (989692) | more than 2 years ago | (#40230975)

There will always be crates. No matter if you must use them for cover or break them for goodies; there WILL be crates!

Re:Chest high walls....chest high walls everywhere (0)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231501)

If real life were like a video game, everywhere would look like a warehouse or shipyard.

Everything is darker and grittier. (2)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 2 years ago | (#40228813)

It seems like everyone has as their go-to thing to reboot or add life into old material is to make them darker and grittier. Some cases this goes really well, like the Batman movies. Sometimes less so. I have to wonder what is going to be next? Darker and grittier Carebares where they fight actual drug dealers and pimps? Dark and gritty My Little Pony where Nightmare Moon stomps Twilight Sparkle to death? Maybe a darker and grittier Mario game where the koopahs die violent deaths and at the end you find out exactly what Bowser was doing to the Princess the whole time she was kidnapped? Maybe a dark and gritty live-action He-Man movie? Actually, I'd watch that last one probably. But this really feels like writers and producers have run out of ideas and think that "darker and grittier" are magic words which automatically revive franchises. Maybe instead they could try actually writing good plot lines?

Re:Everything is darker and grittier. (0, Flamebait)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#40229151)

its called a paragraph, bang enter once in a while

Re:Everything is darker and grittier. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40229657)

its called a paragraph, bang enter once in a while

Parent is correct, GP needs to learn to use paragraphs or the return key. Reading that was painful.
Back on topic....

The reason they go for the "darker and grittier" is because gamers are not just kids anymore, and adults tend to get rather bored of happy-go-lucky plot lines where everything is all smiles and giggles. If you want a good analogy go look at the books in the young adults section, then compare the types of plotlines to what you find in the Novels or Sci-Fi sections. You'll notice the adult novels are a lot "darker and grittier" in many cases.

Maybe instead they could try actually writing good plot lines?

Well yea, that would be nice. But after a while even a fresh plot line isn't going to satisfy people, they want variety and a lot of people are tired of playing games with plots which have been gutted in order to appeal to teenagers and children.

Re:Everything is darker and grittier. (2)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#40233539)

I disagree. It's not just comic books and such that have gotten that way, it's everything. Maybe you're not old enough to remember, but back in the 70s and 80s, even things aimed at adults were much "lighter" (and some say "campier", at least for the 70s). Serious TV shows like Star Trek: TNG weren't "dark" or "gritty" at all, but the later shows in the 90s and 00s were darker and grittier than it, though that was nothing compared to what's going on these days. The levels of violence depicted in those previous decades were much less than what's shown now; many shows went to great lengths to avoid anyone, even villains, dying, and others simply showed their vehicles exploding in a fireball and that was that (I'm thinking Airwolf here). These days, if people aren't shown being tortured to death, people don't take it seriously. The whole thing is rather disturbing, and before long we'll probably just be watching mindlessly violent programs like shown in the movie THX-1138.

Re:Everything is darker and grittier. (1)

noh8rz3 (2593935) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231843)

The line breaks never work for me in the comment box. If I do [p] or [br] (using the triangle braces rather than the square braces) it works sometimes, but a regular carriage return does not. What's your secret?

Re:Everything is darker and grittier. (1)

tywjohn (1676686) | more than 2 years ago | (#40229339)

There was a dark and gritty He-Man movie. Masters of the Universe.

Re:Everything is darker and grittier. (0)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231529)

The only thing dark about that movie was that it actually got made.

Re:Everything is darker and grittier. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40229435)

and at the end you find out exactly what Bowser was doing to the Princess the whole time she was kidnapped?

Kidnapped? You've got it all wrong! She's a runaway, banging Bowser to 'get even' with her father who's been molesting her ever since she was eleven and Mario is her drugged-out Milhouse.

Re:Everything is darker and grittier. (1)

james_van (2241758) | more than 2 years ago | (#40230507)

Maybe a darker and grittier Mario game where the koopahs die violent deaths and at the end you find out exactly what Bowser was doing to the Princess the whole time she was kidnapped?

i would play that game in a heartbeat!

Re:Everything is darker and grittier. (1)

Remus Shepherd (32833) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231401)

I have to wonder what is going to be next? ... Dark and gritty My Little Pony where Nightmare Moon stomps Twilight Sparkle to death?

Poor waif, you have no idea what kind of fanfics are out there, do you? Take a look at Fallout: Equestria [equestriadaily.com] sometime. It doesn't get any darker or grittier than post-apocalyptic ponies. (It's also possibly the best fanfic ever, from any fandom, if you can handle the darkness.)

The simple fact is that the major consumers of games and fiction these days are adults, not teens or children. The most valuable demographic is 18-35 now, not the 10-17 that it used to be. So companies are going to produce some content geared for an adult audience, and if they can bring in the kids also then so much the better. If England or Japan were economic powerhouses then there'd be more porn games, because violence is abhorred there but sex is okay. However, America is where the money is, and in America sex is forbidden but brutal violence is okay. So the developers are creating violent content in hopes it will hit the 18-35s and pull in some of the 10-17s also.

TL;DR -- Dark and gritty is the lowest common denominator in America. Get used to it.

Re:Everything is darker and grittier. (1)

noh8rz3 (2593935) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231875)

Umm, doesn't Japan make lots of video games? Where are the oversexed games? Amazon links are apreciated.

Re:Everything is darker and grittier. (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#40233581)

I'm just guessing, but they're probably all in Japan. The ones they make for export are, of course, geared to American tastes, which is ultraviolence.

Re:Everything is darker and grittier. (1)

ultranova (717540) | more than 2 years ago | (#40232091)

Dark and gritty My Little Pony where Nightmare Moon stomps Twilight Sparkle to death?

That would still be lighter and softer than the original, which featured such lovely things like the Penguin Hitler and his explicitly depicted and visualized plans of genocide of all the "unworthy" non-Northern species (and on-screen murder). And of course Nightmare Moon herself is a way toned-down version of Tirec. Ah, golden childhood memories.

The old MLP was pretty much a superhero show with ponies. It even had the villain leave the heroes into an unescapable deathtrap unsupervised once.

Maybe a dark and gritty live-action He-Man movie?

The comic book version had one story where He-Man accidentally teleported his magic sword into the future. Since he couldn't transform without it, he went looking for it, and found a world ruled by Skeletor where everyone was dead or imprisoned.

But this really feels like writers and producers have run out of ideas and think that "darker and grittier" are magic words which automatically revive franchises.

Many old-time franchises were pretty dark to begin with, and only degenerated to jokes when that darkness was bleached out. So, if you wish to revitalize them, re-injecting some of the darkness is a good place to start. But of course that can easily go overboard and become ridiculous in its own way too.

Maybe instead they could try actually writing good plot lines?

Having darker elements present in a setting helps with that quite a bit. One of the unescapable truths of life is that nothing gets things moving like an evil maniac with lots of power. Without villains a series has a tendency to turn into slice-of-life show, which in turn degenerates to soap once status quo gets fixed in stone.

Why? (-1, Offtopic)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#40228819)

I don't get it.

>lucas arts

George Lucas does not deserve any more money from this franchise, since he's driven it into the ground with episodes 1-3. The downfall of the franchise started with the fucking Ewoks, because Lucas decided it was better to have gewgaws to sell rather than have a decent story.

I know I'm talking about taking the food off developers' plates when I say it, but there is a time when a franchise should die, and that was the end of the Empire Strikes Back.

And Solo *always* shoots first.

When the movie reviews are more entertaining than the movies themselves, it's pretty much proof the franchise is crap.

To wit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfBhi6qqFLA [youtube.com]

And now, after some pretty crappy games, people still give Lucas the time of day and say "Well, this one might not be so bad."

All SW fans at this point must be out-and-out bottoms, and their Lucas is their top and there is no longer a safe-word.

--
BMO

Literally blown away? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40228833)

Have I gone insane or did I actually hear the reviewer host guy say, "You'll be literally blown away"?

Egad.

Re:Literally blown away? (5, Insightful)

xevioso (598654) | more than 2 years ago | (#40229085)

Literally, when people say literally, the almost never actually mean literally. Literally.

Re:Literally blown away? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40229279)

I literally threw up in my mouth when the reviewer guy said it.

Re:Literally blown away? (1)

isorox (205688) | more than 2 years ago | (#40230647)

Have I gone insane or did I actually hear the reviewer host guy say, "You'll be literally blown away"?

Egad.

I think he means the game is Da Bomb

Re:Literally blown away? (3, Insightful)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231865)

Unless you're talking about the most illiterate users, most are using it as a form of ironic emphasis.

Of course, due to Poe's Law, you never really know. Make your best guess, but at some point you just gotta let go, man.

Meh ... (3, Insightful)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 2 years ago | (#40228839)

Looks like a lot of button mashing, which means we'll most likely end up with a fucking dumbed down console port again that barely works on the PC (e.g., Force Unleashed 2, where the game's toughest enemies were the character controls, camera controls and other assorted bugs).

Re:Meh ... (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#40228909)

As far as I can see, Star Wars games have sucked since X-Wing/Tie Fighter. Have there been any good ones in the last twenty years?

Re:Meh ... (1)

The_Myth (84113) | more than 2 years ago | (#40228937)

Echo the lament of the lack of a decent successor to XvT!

Rebellion was a good remake of MoO and the ability to make multiple death stars and cruise around and blow up every planet in the galaxy was a bonus!

Re:Meh ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40229029)

Knights of the old republic and Dark forces 1 and 2. Other than that, I can't think of any.

Re:Meh ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40229159)

Jedi Outcast.

Re:Meh ... (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 2 years ago | (#40229513)

As far as I can see, Star Wars games have sucked since X-Wing/Tie Fighter. Have there been any good ones in the last twenty years?

You might like this then. Only 13 years old. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_X-Wing_Alliance [wikipedia.org]

Re:Meh ... (4, Interesting)

GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) | more than 2 years ago | (#40229567)

Imagine if SWTOR's space combat was similar to Xwing vs TieFighter? You'd run missions and suit up your fleet by spending credits. They could make the curve long for you to get a full squadron of capital ships, interceptors, and supply ships, like 6 months. PVP could involve your fleet + your friends flying the interceptors. This idea is very simple, but it'd make the game very desirable. And if you threw on a map of the galaxy to tactically control and take over places, making it harder and harder to conquer the whole thing, you'd have people addicted. The reason it should get more difficult as you control more of the galaxy is that the best players need a handicap to even things out. Also it is Starwars Lore,"The tigher you grip the systems, the more will fall through your fingers."

The funniest part of all this is that aside from the art/sfx, design and coding a space shooter is one of the easiest things to do in game development. I could solo the a whole project like this myself, and I'm weak in matrix algebra.

Re:Meh ... (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231923)

Yes, you could probably knock it out over a long weekend, then retire by next Wednesday. <eye roll>

From my cousin, who saw Phantom Menace first.... (3, Funny)

Lord_of_the_nerf (895604) | more than 2 years ago | (#40228915)

'But.....it just won't be Star Wars without child-friendly racist analogues and Galactic Dance-offs'

I've raised this young Padawan well.

Nope, sorry, pass. (-1, Troll)

lexsird (1208192) | more than 2 years ago | (#40228959)

I don't give a shit if I install it and gold coins fall out my ass, and magic genies pop out granting wishes, they can shove any Star Wars game up their collective asses. Why for do you ask, such a hyperbole laden sentiment? Star Wars The Old Republic, is my answer. That game is the greatest sum of quirky bugs in the history of MMOs. It's got so many Easter Eggs of annoying fail it's mind numbing. It's fucking bad. It's so bad it has to be on a list of things to do if you ever come across a way to time travel.

1. Go visit Jesus and tell him to write his own book so assholes don't fuck what he's about all up.
2. Shoot Hitler in the head, repeatedly and before he matters.
3. Beat the living shit out of Lucus and tell him if he ever utters the words Ewoks, or Jar jar Biggs you will come back the previous day and kill him. Then tell him if he ever lets some assholes make a game called Star Wars The Old Republic, you will be along to kill him just before he gets laid for the first time.

After that duty, it's all gravy, have a good time with it, don't break time space and create a black hole where Earth was. Or go ahead if you really feel strongly about it needing to be a black hole. Just be aware of cocking around with time travel can result in things like Arkansaw having it's damn named changed to Arkansas as if Arkansaw and Kansas fucking merged for something, or in a worse case, a big fat black hole.

This isn't where they jumped the shark, oh hell no. This is where it was like an animated .gif of infinite shark jumping a shark jumping a shark jumping a shark....

It was the last straw on the camel's back of "Ha ha, we fucked you hard with our Star Wars lure, by painting up some shit game, hyping the living fuck out of it, then dumping it on you stupid cock suckers who can't get enough of this Star Wars horseshit."

Not no; it's fuck no.

Re:Nope, sorry, pass. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40229443)

I don't give a shit if I install it and gold coins fall out my ass, and magic genies pop out granting wishes, they can shove any Star Wars game up their collective asses. Why for do you ask, such a hyperbole laden sentiment? Star Wars The Old Republic, is my answer. That game is the greatest sum of quirky bugs in the history of MMOs. It's got so many Easter Eggs of annoying fail it's mind numbing.

I'm afraid I don't follow. What exactly upsets you about 1313 based on TOR? It's an entirely different game by a different developer with the only common ground being the setting. TOR's poor launch hardly has any effect on the value of 1313 as a game.
It's like refusing to drive at all just because someone bumped your car once before.

Go visit Jesus and tell him to write his own book so assholes don't fuck what he's about all up.

Jeasus didn't write any books, at least according to Christian mythology.

Shoot Hitler in the head, repeatedly and before he matters.

If I had the ability to change history by interacting with people in the past, I would rather be a time psychiatrist, not a time executioner. It's not as cool as being a time Doctor, but hey, I'd actually be doing something positive instead of substituting Hitler in the history book as the world's most hated man.

Beat the living shit out of Lucus and tell him if he ever utters the words Ewoks, or Jar jar Biggs you will come back the previous day and kill him.

After that duty, it's all gravy, have a good time with it, don't break time space and create a black hole where Earth was.

You can't "break" spacetime anymore than you can break any other universal law.
But even if you did, the result is unlikely to be a blackhole seing as blackholes exist within spacetime.

Re:Nope, sorry, pass. (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 2 years ago | (#40229651)

Jar jar Biggs

That's some really disturbing slashfic you've got going there, mate.

Re:Nope, sorry, pass. (1)

noh8rz3 (2593935) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231929)

Classic post. Love the time travel to-do list. Sorry about "Arkansas" - I'd go back and fix it, but my delorean was struck by lightning and disappeared to 1885.

Quick time events suck. (3, Insightful)

SirDrinksAlot (226001) | more than 2 years ago | (#40228985)

The demo video they showed looks like it's entirely quick time events. Which means as pretty as this game may be, it'll be complete garbage.

Quick time events ruin everything they're put in and make the game suck. I cant think of any example where they actually add anything but frustration. You can't pay attention to the action that they trigger because you have to focus on hitting the combination it throws up on the screen.

1313 Mockingbird Lane (1, Interesting)

Billy the Mountain (225541) | more than 2 years ago | (#40229039)

The 1313 moniker refers to a specific level of Coruscant which is a haven for criminals, bounty hunters, and crime lords.

Well there's that but there was also 1313 Mockingbird lane, lest we forget! (Munster's street address)

Re:1313 Mockingbird Lane (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 2 years ago | (#40229185)

And a reboot of The Munsters with Jerry O'Connell. See Dark Horizons [darkhorizons.com] for the details. :(

Re:1313 Mockingbird Lane (1)

The Archon V2.0 (782634) | more than 2 years ago | (#40232427)

I'm still disappointed that's not what this is about. Vader's already a giant put-together man with an unliving wife, he'd be PERFECT!

Blaster sound effect off? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40229127)

What's up with the blaster sound effect? It sounds more like a real gun than the blaster in the movies.

Dark and Gritty...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40229245)

I'm nearly forty and getting too old for this dark and gritty nonsense. I guess I'm not "mature" to understand the depth of these monochromatic gore fests. Well then, Minecraft it is!

deathsticks? (1)

Grindalf (1089511) | more than 2 years ago | (#40229335)

This looks like a great opportunity to run off last years video cards! :0)

PC gamers o_O (2, Insightful)

ToasterMonkey (467067) | more than 2 years ago | (#40229393)

One thing that jumps out at us from watching the video is that the game clearly isn't running on legacy console hardware. Creative director Dominic Robilliard confirms this a little later in the interview, when he states that the demo is being powered by PCs using Nvidia hardware.

Obviously we can't say for certain, but there's some good circumstantial evidence that the game is built for DX11. Shadows are always the best thing to check -- DX10/DX11 shadows are softer and more realistic than their DX9 counterparts. Fog is another area where DX11 implementations tend to noticably improve on DX9, and the 1313 scenes are impressive on both counts.

There's no reason LucasArts couldn't develop the title for current consoles and cutting-edge PC hardware simultaneously, but this is good news for computer gamers -- games built on our platform tend to play better (and look nicer) than console ports that offer better textures but otherwise keep to the limits of six year-old hardware.

Nobody cares about PC gaming epeen. Really, nobody. Prettier shadows.. got it, that's one of those boxes we uncheck for consistent framerate when playing against other people.

These guys are as bad as the audiophiles that are made fun of on /. all the time. First it was frame rate, 200+ FPS with 85/75/60 display refresh rate... /eyeroll
Now that the average PC gamer has found vsync it's teh softer shadows and highlights. Lets be honest, if you can't do pretty with a moderately consistent frame rate, it gets turned off by any serious gamer.

I'm not saying your shadows _aren't_ super pretty, just that the money you have to spend for slightly prettier visuals at smooth not-disrupting-gameplay frame rates reminds me of $200 audio cables.

And... as nearly all of us are typing and reading this on a PC.. we most likely play/have played games on them. There is no us v them, just mostly people who already have played PC games and still don't give a damn about ridiculous epeen contests.

Re:PC gamers o_O (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40229713)

And then there are those of us who would rather play a game on a much higher resolution than you get on your TV, even if you're running off a PS3 at full 1080p. You might call it eye candy, but quite frankly it does give you quite a competitive advantage over players at a lower resolution. In FPS style games, you can see people farther away and aim much more accurately, in MMO's you get the same type of thing.
Another area you're ignoring is that on your console you're limited to maybe 16 or 20 avatars on-screen at the same time, where a high-end gaming PC can handle hundreds.
I generally turn off a lot of things like the fancy shadows and extra lighting effects. You might not care about the difference between 60 FPS and 200 FPS but in a real-time shooter it directly affects how finely grained your controls and shooting accuracy are. MMO's, yea not so much.

Yes, some people go around bragging about their epeen, most of us aren't in it for the bragging rights. But trying to compare it to the bullshit audio cables is more than unfair, it's downright dishonest.

Re:PC gamers o_O (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40231713)

What screen are you getting higher than 1080p on? I mean they "do" exist but not generally under $1k. You do realize that 1080p is 1920x1080 resolution right?

Re:PC gamers o_O (1)

noh8rz3 (2593935) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231997)

Umm, how about a big monitor like 24" or something? Or a new MacBook pro with retina display? To be clear, the go was referring to computers vs console/tv, not fancy TVs like 4k or whTever.

Re:PC gamers o_O (2)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231963)

Woah, slow your roll there, you're missing one vitally important difference: While the softer shadows might not be important to you (or even objectively important), they are an actual, measurable difference, that somebody can rationally decide is worth the money.

$200 digital cables do absolutely, positively nothing, and $200 analog cables either measurably don't do what's claimed, or the claims are unmeasurable nonsense--"It's a brighter soundstage, with a hint of orange peel tang."

Sceptical (1)

countach (534280) | more than 2 years ago | (#40229423)

I'm always immediately sceptical of any game that tries to trade off a successful movie. If the game can't trade on its own merits, why should I bother? I wish the game companies would give up trying to franchise from Hollywood. I don't support it.

Re:Sceptical (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40229699)

Knights of the Old Republic is a hell of a game. And even if it's set way before the movies, does a pretty good job of showing why franchises are made: because people enjoy the world of the Star Wars movies and want a game where you're free to move about in a Star Wars type setting.

Anyway, franchise games are only made because they tend to sell really well. Don't blame the companies, blame the unwashed masses.

Gritty has already been done... (3, Informative)

StevenMaurer (115071) | more than 2 years ago | (#40229717)

Republic Commando [wikipedia.org] was a gritty look that for once nearly made Star Wars look like an actual war. It had casual senseless death and the tactics in it were pure military.

I'm pretty sure the reason why it wasn't all that well received was that it was so jarringly different from the cheesy "war-esque" melodrama that pervades Star Wars, and never got the idea playing it, that the clones were really finding their situation terribly fun.

It was, needless to say, the best Star Wars game I played, at least in terms of actual suspension of disbelief.

Re:Gritty has already been done... (2)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 2 years ago | (#40229953)

I liked Republic Commando and have been surprised that it never got a sequel. I think it came out at the wrong time - a few months before the launch of the 360 and the start of the transition to the current generation of console hardware. It was very rapidly eclipsed by prettier (though often shallower) games (and its PC version suffered from being a less than stellar port of a game for old hardware).

Worse still, despite still being a fairly new release, it wasn't on the 360's backward-compatibility list at launch. They did patch it in a couple of years later, but by then, the chance of the game benefitting from any kind of "long tail" was dead. I think this is one case where they might have been better to hold back for a year or so and make the game an early wave 360 title (or even a launch title, where it would have blown away the competition).

Re:Gritty has already been done... (1)

supermank17 (923993) | more than 2 years ago | (#40232031)

I actually enjoyed that game quite a bit as well, and it was the last Star Wars game I actually completed. That's despite it being set in the Prequel setting, which never grabbed me as much. I kept hoping for a sequel, but it never materialized...

J.E.D.I. or G.T.F.O (1)

Leo Sasquatch (977162) | more than 2 years ago | (#40229877)

Why would anyone want to play in the SW universe, if you're not going to be a Jedi? Lightsabers are cool, using the Force to do stuff is cool - everything else in the SW universe is generic space fantasy. Nothing wrong with any of it per se, but no more or less interesting than any one of a dozen other 'realities' you might choose for your gaming experience. If I'm being a bounty hunter, running fetchquests, then is it going to make the game any better if it's using some of the SW names for things? Doesn't it just devolve into Shadowrun-lite?

Actually, I have to admit, I'd love to see them do a Clone Wars game - either in the Genndy Tartakovsky cel-shaded style or the CGI style - both had their merits and were largely superior to the second trilogy. Just as long as I get to name my astromech droid RU12.

Re:J.E.D.I. or G.T.F.O (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 2 years ago | (#40230319)

I'm having trouble thinking of a star wars game (with perhaps the exception of Star Wars: Rebellion, a 4X game) that the main character doesn't later on find out that he has some level of latent jedi abilities. There'll be cameos by C3, R2 droids, star destroyers in the background and all the other bits and bobs that help verify what universe you're currently occupying.

Re:J.E.D.I. or G.T.F.O (2)

Sez Zero (586611) | more than 2 years ago | (#40230515)

Why would anyone want to play in the SW universe, if you're not going to be a Jedi?

Two words: Boba Fett. BOBA FETT!

Jetpack, a host of nerd gadgets, awesome outfits, cool ship, trained and skilled enough to hold his own with the magical-powered Jedi.

Re:J.E.D.I. or G.T.F.O (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40232259)

Nerd gadgets? *headdesk* *facepalm* *ballpunch*

Re:J.E.D.I. or G.T.F.O (1)

heathen_01 (1191043) | more than 2 years ago | (#40230667)

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good TIE fighter.

Yes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40230243)

Can't wait! This is gonna rock!

www.weka-sauna-holzprofi24.de [weka-sauna...profi24.de] .

Attn: LucasArts (4, Insightful)

Digital Vomit (891734) | more than 2 years ago | (#40230675)

Look, just give us a new TIE Fighter or X-wing vs TIE Fighter game already, okay? That is what the market has been demanding for years.

God I hate IP laws. With LucasArts sitting on the Star Wars IP, it's impossible for any competitors to come out and make a TIE Fighter game.

Re:Attn: LucasArts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40231083)

You does not equal "the market". I seriously doubt a TIE-fighter game would attract more than a niche-market.

Re:Attn: LucasArts (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231131)

Haven't you heard? Space fighter sims have been dead since Freespace 2.

Re:Attn: LucasArts (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231215)

Haven't you heard? Space fighter sims have been dead since Freespace 2.

Are there any decent space battleship sims out there? I wanted to like Vega Strike for that but there's not enough controls in the game to even build a keyboard map that would make it fun.

Re:Attn: LucasArts (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 2 years ago | (#40232005)

I've yet to find one. You could possibly class Gratuitous Space Battles or EVE as "space battleships", but they're essentially exercises in offline design, leading to pretty screen savers.

Personally I'd like to see a skill based wet navy game like Navy Field given a space spin. You know, actually aiming guns rather than just clicking and letting some subroutine handle it while you get on with the serious business of trading in the auction house or removing spam from your clan's forum.

Re:Attn: LucasArts (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#40232125)

I've yet to find one. You could possibly class Gratuitous Space Battles or EVE as "space battleships", but they're essentially exercises in offline design, leading to pretty screen savers.

EVE is too deep for me to get into at this point and GSB is great but it's not got the immersion I'm looking for.

Personally I'd like to see a skill based wet navy game like Navy Field given a space spin. You know, actually aiming guns rather than just clicking and letting some subroutine handle it while you get on with the serious business of trading in the auction house or removing spam from your clan's forum.

Yes, please. This sounds like a game I'd buy new. Lost Planet 2 had aspects of this from a third-person perspective and that was pretty cool (running around the vehicle to load the cannon and fire it and so on) but I'm not clear I'd like to see that in space either. It's close-ish to what I mean, though. Not enough replay value, glad I got it used :)

Stop with the fucking star wars games! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40230777)

Lucasarts needs to do something besides jerkoff the star wars franchise over and over and over again. There hasnt been a really good star wars games since jedi knight 2. Well knights of the old republic was good but it was made by bioware.

But is this all lucasarts really can do is jerkoff star wars everytime the cocaine bucket dries out? They are one of the most thoughtless, talentless, unimaginative and uninspired developers in gaming right now because thats all they can do is make star wars games. And when they do make them they normally never aspire to be more than just mediocre at best.

Here is how I imagine their meetings go....

"We need new game"

"Me got it, star wars!"

"You got good idea we make star wars game again".

And thats how every meeting goes with them.

And this new one just shows how incredibly unimaginative they are because they stuck boba fetts name on it. Boba is just a generic bounty hunter and nothing else that got famous for god knows what reason. And worse yet they used the words gritty and dark to describe it, I was hoping developers had stopped using those buzz words a year ago when everytime they would use dark/gritty it meant the game was going to be shit.

Come on lucasarts do something original for once. I would rather have a mediocre original game from you instead a another mediocre star wars game.

No new Games till New Movie is out..... (1)

who_stole_my_kidneys (1956012) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231479)

If you have all these great story's to tell, put them in movies, and stop making these half ass'ed shitty games that further destroy the franchise.

30 year obsession, needs an intervention (1)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | more than 2 years ago | (#40231827)

Seriously, George needs an intervention because in any other social circle being obsessed with something for 30+ years would warrant some form of mental deficiency diagnosis.

What is most disappointing about Star Wars is just how much new and innovative concepts that COULD have come out of Lucasarts/film were stifled because of an all encompassing desire to increase the Star Wars Franchise payload. They don't even do special effects for other movies anymore (well, Red Tails, meh), they are just automatons pushing out more Star Wars related drivel.

How greedy and self-obsessed can one company be to shove a single franchise down the throats of 3+ generations of kids? I can only lump Walt Disney and Nintendo in that category.

The Human Centipede exists and George Lucas is at the front. There can be no self-respecting employee at Lucasarts/films these days, only people that love the taste of his shit.

I'd rather he dancer from Galaxies... (0)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 2 years ago | (#40232063)

> You take on the role of a Bounty Hunter...

And...I will see Star Wars later at whatever is even further down the road.

Re:I'd rather he dancer from Galaxies... (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 2 years ago | (#40232105)

FYI I just bought that festering turd SW:The Old Republic MMORPG, where Jedi wield wiffle bats as neutered tanks, unlike Star Wars but exactly like MMO design dictates, and I'm pissed.

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