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Microsoft To Run Linux On Azure

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the odd-couple dept.

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snydeq writes "After years of battling Linux as a competitive threat, Microsoft is now offering Linux-based operating systems on its Windows Azure cloud service. The Linux services will go live on Azure at 4 a.m. EDT on Thursday. At that time, the Azure portal will offer a number of Linux distributions, including Suse Linux Enterprise Server 11 SP2, OpenSuse 12.01, CentOS 6.2 and Canonical Ubuntu 12.04. Azure users will be able to choose and deploy a Linux distribution from the Microsoft Windows Azure Image Gallery and be charged on an hourly pay-as-you-go basis."

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189 comments

Heh... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40238341)

Yeah but how many people honestly use Azure?

Re:Heh... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40238389)

Why is it always so hard with you linux people? Don't use windows, it sucks, don't use anything with fruit on it, it sucks too. OH, WHAT'S THAT??? You want to use LINUX?? THE Holy Grail of OS? YES!!!

Oh, GOD, NO, why did you choose that distro?????

PLEBIAN!!

Re:Heh... (4, Informative)

alexborges (313924) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238429)

They called us commie scum. We will never forget.

Re:Heh... (4, Informative)

Nutria (679911) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238527)

And a cancer.

Re:Heh... (3, Funny)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239105)

And a cancer

And throw in a chair

Re:Heh... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40238971)

All three of you?

NOOOOO!!!!!!!

Re:Heh... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40239635)

Oh, I know and it's so inaccurate. You guys are more like Techfags or Distro Niggers.

Re:Heh... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40239793)

That must be hard on your poor tender virgin ass.

Re:Heh... (2)

zill (1690130) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238489)

Azure isn't a Linux distro. Azure is a cloud computing service from Microsoft.

Are you sure? (4, Funny)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238707)

With so many different Linux distributions, how are you so sure one isn't named Azure?

Re:Heh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40238723)

woosh!

Re:Heh... (4, Insightful)

Shavano (2541114) | more than 2 years ago | (#40240235)

Yeah, but why would you want to run Linux through a Microsoft cloud server? That's the big mystery.

Re:Heh... (-1, Flamebait)

terjeber (856226) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238545)

Sigh. Religious morons always plant their foot firmly in their mouth. The answer to your question, probably more than any other cloud service. You see, there is this thing called the iCloud. The thing where "all" iPhone users store their stuff, pictures, documents, you name it. iCloud is also known under the name "Azure".

Re:Heh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40238669)

http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/09/04/0051209/apples-icloud-runs-on-microsoft-azure

http://www.macnn.com/articles/12/04/24/mobile.me.service.nearing.its.end/ (states iCloud migration at 125M users)

125 million before the end of April, minimum. As of October 2011, Dropbox had 50M.

Re:Heh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40239655)

Azure and iCloud have different targets. You can compare iCloud to Dropbox and Azure to Amazon EC2, but not mix them: One is suited for end users, the other for companies/people looking for cloud servers.

So, Apple would count as one customer of Azure, not 125M.

Re:Heh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40239907)

According to Microsoft, high tens of thousands of customers (above 50,000?)

Re:Heh... (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#40240043)

Yeah, but did you cross-check against IDC and Gartner?

So what's new? (4, Insightful)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238349)

Microsoft almost always supports other platforms if it has enough marketshare and if they think they can make money off it. They even seem to be making Office for the iPad. The summary is trying to be a troll as usual. This is like WINE, more support is always good if you trying to get as many customers as possible.

They even released an Android app recently.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsofts-bing-mobile-team-introduces-new-app-first-for-android-phones/12856 [zdnet.com]

Steve Jobs? (-1, Flamebait)

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Re:So what's new? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40238923)

One app?

https://play.google.com/store/search?q=microsoft+corp&c=apps

Bing, OneNote, Lync

OneNote is actually really awesome on android and so is Lync/communicator.

Everyone forgets Microsoft has always been developer and platform friendly just not open source.
They used to be good at documentation at least but that's been failing as of late also.

So glad i just signed up for my free 90 day trial of Azure today though, was about to cancel that because even as a .NET developer it wasn't appealing to me to get that locked into a way of doing things, now i get a free *nix box for a few days ;)

Re:So what's new? (5, Insightful)

chrb (1083577) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239059)

Microsoft almost always supports other platforms if it has enough marketshare and if they think they can make money off it.

Microsoft will not support other platforms if they pose a real threat to their core product of Windows+Office, but they will support other platforms if it helps to maintain the appearance of competition and hence keep antitrust regulators at bay. Having an Apple desktop taking 5% of the global market is acceptable if it means that Microsoft gets the other 95%, and when accused of having a monopoly, they can point to Apple as evidence of a competitive alternative. A duopoly with a single-digit market share competitor is better than being subject to antitrust regulators.

Re:So what's new? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40239535)

Microsoft will not support other platforms if they pose a real threat to their core product of Windows+Office

Who would? What sort of idiotic corporation would support their direct competitor's attempt destroy their own revenue stream?!

but they will support other platforms if it helps to maintain the appearance of competition and hence keep antitrust regulators at bay.

Or the more obvious reason of: They make money supporting those platforms. They are interested, like any other company, in making money so they will support any platform on which they can make money.

Re:So what's new? (1)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239851)

Microsoft currently doesn't make money on anything but Windows and Office -- everything else is either runs at loss, or has so much money sunk in it while it was being developed or ran at loss, it will take significant amount of time to turn profit.

Microsoft behavior is all about strategy now -- they want to keep their two platforms dominants and dabble into things that they think, they can have profitable in the future. But "dabble" is a key word -- Bing, Azure, their "Microsoft Nook" shit with Barnes and Noble, Windows Phone, and before that Zune, are examples of that -- all unprofitable.

Re:So what's new? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40239717)

It's not the 90s anymore, dude.

1) This is about competing with Amazon, Google, IBM, and other 'cloud' services

2) The desktop market and antitrust have nothing to do with this

Are you a teenager? (1, Troll)

jmcbain (1233044) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239375)

Are you 15 years old or something? Microsoft has long shown that it wants to destroy all competing platforms that compete with Windows.

Guess what? Linux is a platform. Guess what? Linux competes with Windows on the server end.

My guess is that you are one of those millennials who has no idea about history beyond what you had for lunch.

Re:Are you a teenager? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40239545)

My guess is you're one of the fucking freetard faggots living in the past who can't see past his sister's tits.

Re:So what's new? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40239507)

Microsoft almost always supports other platforms if it has enough marketshare and if they think they can make money off it.

Like pretty much all companies.

Kilkenny Cats (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#40240075)

There once were two cats of Kilkenny

Each thought there was one cat too many

So they fought and they fit

And they scratched and they bit

'Til (excepting their nails

And the tips of their tails)

Instead of two cats there weren't any!

Kilkenny Cats [wikipedia.org]

Microsoft and Android aren't just an "other platform" to each other. They are death itself.

A good start (0)

war4peace (1628283) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238363)

I think it's a good step towards the right direction. Evil or not, Microsoft at least tilts towards being... less evil with this move. Might be too early to state that, but any nudge should be regarded with hope.

Wait... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40238411)

until Linux is eating into their desktop business and then see them launch the Patent ICBMs. Canonical better buy some kinetic kill vehicles...

The LOL of the day, actually, a ROTFL (5, Informative)

terjeber (856226) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238599)

Ah, I haven't had a good ROTFL in a long time. Some time in the '90s I guess. Thanks.

Wait until ... Linux is eating into their desktop business...

Yes, and that will be two days after pigs grow wings and fly.

PS, I love Linux as a server, and it runs my Rails stuff very well, but "Linux on the Desktop"? Seriously? Does anyone believe in that anymore?

Microsoft makes big bucks from their server stuff. Really big money. Linux on the server is more of a threat to MS than is (an extremely theoretical) Linux on the desktop. Still they do it in Azure. Looks like you just proved that you are a clueless git (no, not the distributed kind that Torvalds did).

Re:The LOL of the day, actually, a ROTFL (2)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238763)

No but I still point people to ubuntu.com and say, "Here have some free software." Maybe they'll try it and like it.

Re:The LOL of the day, actually, a ROTFL (1)

griffjon (14945) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239083)

I wouldn't count it out yet. Ubuntu+Unity is one damned slick OS. Now, will it overtake windows? Not in the near future, to be sure, but I definitely see the role for Linux on tablets and netbooks as primed and ready. Unity is clearly structured for a touch+voice interface.

Re:The LOL of the day, actually, a ROTFL (1)

lgw (121541) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239689)

PS, I love Linux as a server, and it runs my Rails stuff very well, but "Linux on the Desktop"? Seriously? Does anyone believe in that anymore?

If by "desktop" you mean "tablet, phone, or thin client with a real keyboard and monitor attached" then, yes. I expect Android to be a serious threat to Microsoft's "desktop" business once people realize that simply plugging in their existing KVM into the existing USB/HDMI ports on a typical andriod phone already have meets all the non-geek's computing needs. (And on the corporate desktop, thin client + desktop virtualization serves the need, though Microsoft still gets a Win7 licence fee there, so that will keep them going).

Microsoft could dominate this new market if they took advantage of the fact the the new Windows phone, Win8, and (from what we hear) Xbox720 all run the same kernel and could in theory be a common platform, but they instead seem determined to segment those markets. I can remember when a suite of second-rate products that all worked together nicely was all Microsoft needed to dominate, but I guess those days have passed.

Re:The LOL of the day, actually, a ROTFL (2)

aztracker1 (702135) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239925)

Actually, using C# (.Net) you can share a lot of the same codebase for all of the above platforms. There are some UI differences, but most of the underlying libraries/code is the same.

Re:The LOL of the day, actually, a ROTFL (1, Interesting)

turbidostato (878842) | more than 2 years ago | (#40240203)

"PS, I love Linux as a server, and it runs my Rails stuff very well, but "Linux on the Desktop"? Seriously? Does anyone believe in that anymore?"

Well, since 2000 I've been working for four companies; all of them supported linux as their main desktop OS, so go figure.

Re:Wait... (2)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239551)

until Linux is eating into their desktop business and then see them launch the Patent ICBMs. Canonical better buy some kinetic kill vehicles...

Haha, it's been a while since i've seen a 'Year of the Linux Desktop is coming!' advocate :)

Re:A good start (5, Insightful)

uigrad_2000 (398500) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238699)

I agree that this is a positive step.

I have nearly a religious hatred towards MS, and it has nothing to do with "Microsoft's desire for profit." I work for a company that sells software for profit, so obviously that would would be hypocritical if I felt that way.

What I've always hated about Microsoft was their willingness to buck standards just to prevent their users from using other products along with MS products.

This started with early versions of Windows that required you to also buy DOS. A competitor to DOS came out (Dr. DOS), and Microsoft responded by putting a check into the Windows bootstrap that would cause it to exit out with an error if Dr. DOS was detected. Any time a company goes out of their way to make their own product not operate with 3rd party software, it generates serious rage from customers like me.

As I look back over the last few years, the last move by MS that really angered me was the whole OOXML vs Open Document war [wikipedia.org] , where Microsoft refused to use the new standard, and instead made their own new standard with built in obfuscation.

There's still a lot terrible decisions that MS makes for their customers (hiding file extensions by default [techie-buzz.com] in Windows, modifying extensions on files downloaded with IE without informing the user [techtalkz.com] , automatically removing line breaks [microsoft.com] on messages read in Outlook without telling the user), but I've seen far less pure evil come from the giant, compared to ages past.

Re:A good start (4, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239001)

This started with early versions of Windows that required you to also buy DOS. A competitor to DOS came out (Dr. DOS), and Microsoft responded by putting a check into the Windows bootstrap that would cause it to exit out with an error if Dr. DOS was detected.

If you're telling old war stories, at least tell them right. This particular one is known as AARD code [wikipedia.org] . It was present in a beta version of Windows 3.1. Digital Research found it a month before release, and so it was disabled there.

Re:A good start (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40239979)

And always remember to include the memo from Microsoft Senior Vice President Brad Silverberg:

"What the [user] is supposed to do is feel uncomfortable, and when he has bugs, suspect that the problem is DR-DOS and then go out to buy MS-DOS."

Re:A good start (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40239455)

Selling software for profit isn't enough to make even the most die-hard OSS advocate a hypocrite.

Hypocricy is when you justify your actions but prosecute others for them. It's not enough to engage in something you see as wrong. You have to actively believe you are not in violation of your own principles.

Re:A good start (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40239597)

Any time a company goes out of their way to make their own product not operate with 3rd party software, it generates serious rage from customers like me.

Man you must fucking hate Apple then! At least MS is less anal about that sort of thing these days, Apple is still right on to artificially preventing their software from running on other hardware (be it desktop/laptops, tablets or phones) and proprietary shit like AirPlay and FaceTime (with it's Apple certificate restrictions).

Re:A good start (2)

bram (490) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238787)

you must be new here

Re:A good start (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40239099)

Damn, your UID is even lower than AC's !

No, I'm New Here (1)

New Here (701369) | more than 2 years ago | (#40240389)

No, I'm New Here

Re:A good start (0)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239871)

Keep your pants on, they are running it under their shitty virtualization with Windows-bound management and infrastructure.

Re:A good start (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40239899)

Microsoft's Hypervisor and management stack are actually pretty good. Have you used them in an enterprise setting? I have. 4 years now, 0 problems.

Re:A good start (1)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 2 years ago | (#40240073)

I don't run Windows (the only OS with kernel worse than hypervisor, so adding one does not hurt it) in enterprise setting.

Re:A good start (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40240259)

I don't run Windows (the only OS with kernel worse than hypervisor, so adding one does not hurt it) in enterprise setting.

So your comment is based on no actual experience...though given the characterization of it as "shitty" instead of presenting any actual factual details that shouldn't have really been surprising.

Re:A good start (1)

turbidostato (878842) | more than 2 years ago | (#40240169)

"I think it's a good step towards the right direction. Evil or not, Microsoft at least tilts towards being... less evil with this move."

You think so.

Microsoft knows it has a hard time with Azure being a Microsoft-only platform. Linux is now considered a valid choice at least server-side so a number of companies, even if going with Microsoft servers, would reject Azure in the basis of "what if we want to go the Linux path tomorrow?" when other "cloud" companies are offering support for both platforms.

But "less evil?" I don't think it's just a coincidence that the supported Linux distritutions seems all to be corporate-backed ones: Microsoft knows how to deal with (or against) companies, so for them, supporting something coming from, i.e. Red Hat is one thing, supporting Debian, something completly different.

It's nothing personal, Linux (1)

catmistake (814204) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238383)

Microsoft doesn't care about loyalty, to customers, to vendors, to themselves, or even their own products. They simply care about profit.

Re:It's nothing personal, Linux (2)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238523)

Microsoft cares about loyalty to their own products. They will never exclude them, and will always give them an advantage. But they will support things if they are forced to by the market, which is damn near miraculous given how hard Microsoft has tried (and is trying) to destroy them.

Re:It's nothing personal, Linux (-1)

catmistake (814204) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239055)

Microsoft cares about loyalty to their own products. They will never exclude them, and will always give them an advantage. But they will support things if they are forced to by the market,

It is not interesting that you didn't read the article, nor that you failed to read the summary. What is fascinating is that you didn't even read the summary title, "Microsoft to Run Linux." Microsoft has their own enterprise software solutions to accomplish the same thing they're using Linux for... but somehow, they likely found it was less expensive and more lucritive for them to run Linux for these purposes. They have excluded their own proprietary enterprise solutions in favor of Linux. I stand by my claim, and have sufficiently countered your own. If nothing else, Microsoft is a study in pure business.

Re:It's nothing personal, Linux (1)

DaHat (247651) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239565)

They have excluded their own proprietary enterprise solutions in favor of Linux.

Citation please.

I stand by my claim, and have sufficiently countered your own.

Stand by what? You've made claims, but not supported them in any way, other than with more seemingly baseless claims!

Re:It's nothing personal, Linux (5, Funny)

catmistake (814204) | more than 2 years ago | (#40240493)

They have excluded their own proprietary enterprise solutions in favor of Linux.

Citation please.

it was a little tough to find this, but here ya go:
Microsoft To Run Linux On Azure [slashdot.org]

Re:It's nothing personal, Linux (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40239977)

You're either a fucking idiot or you're doing some sort of "I'm going to look like a moron in order to troll you" deal.

The article is about Microsoft offering to run Linux distros on Azure, not Microsoft stripping away all of their production servers and reinstalling their Azure stack on SLES servers with Xen. Microlith is absolutely correct when he says that while Microsoft will primary protect and care their own products, they might also support things you would not expect (Linux) when it is beneficial to them in a way (their cloud service being interesting for Linux users).

Re:It's nothing personal, Linux (1)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239637)

Microsoft cares about loyalty to their own products. They will never exclude them, and will always give them an advantage.

Not really, perfect example is Photosynth wrt Windows Phone, or on{x} [computerworld.com.au] on Android.

Not even close (0)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#40240099)

They care about control. From control all else comes.

What's next? (2)

QuebecNerd (924754) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238401)

As a 'distributor' of Linux services will they be suing themselves for all the 'blatant' patent infringement that Linux is doing or just trap the end users with those patent fees?

Re:What's next? (2)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238673)

As a 'distributor' of Linux services will they be suing themselves for all the 'blatant' patent infringement that Linux is doing or just trap the end users with those patent fees?

No, Microsoft won't sue themselves, because they have a right to exercise their own patents. Microsoft has nothing against people paying Microsoft in order to use Linux, whether its because the direct user is paying for Azure, or because someone in the distribution chain is paying Microsoft a patent licensing fee.

What Microsoft objects to is people using Linux without paying Microsoft.

Re:What's next? (0)

a_n_d_e_r_s (136412) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239133)

No what microsoft is objecting to is poeple using software without paying them.

Does not matter which software.

Nice troll! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40239687)

No what microsoft is objecting to is poeple using software without paying them.

Does not matter which software.

Thank you sir, may i have another?

Re:What's next? (1)

QuebecNerd (924754) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239409)

They have a history of double dipping so why the hell not?

Surely, at some point, it will become inconceivable that they earn more money from AWS or other cloud users patent fees than from their own cloud clients. They're extracting money from Android manufacturers. They know all too well how and where to piggy back themselves onto others along the food chain... Parasites...

How much are we charging? (1)

aybiss (876862) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238451)

I hope someone is charging them an absolute pantload of money and giving them absolutely no support options whatsoever.

Re:How much are we charging? (2)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238861)

It's Linux. The second part is included with the install.

Re:How much are we charging? (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239011)

Not in this case, apparently. TFA:

Open-source support company OpenLogic is providing CentOS for the Azure portal. CentOS is a clone of the enterprise-focused Red Hat Enterprise Linux distribution. (Red Hat did not respond to queries to comment on the Azure announcement.) OpenLogic has provided commercial support for CentOS since 2009, along with 600 other open-source programs. For Microsoft, OpenLogic will support all the running instances of CentOS, which includes providing Azure with the latest version of CentOS. Users will be able to update their CentOS virtual machines from a repository of patches that OpenLogic will maintain on Azure. Microsoft has contracted OpenLogic to provide support, initially, for a set monthly fee, said Steve Grandchamp, CEO of OpenLogic.

Dear Micro$hit, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40238507)

Take your azure'ldo and plug it on your bug'd backdoor.

Regards,
Not a single fuck given...

But will it run (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40238551)

Xenix?

Re:But will it run (1)

Caesar Tjalbo (1010523) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238941)

It's rebranded, it's now called "Azux".

I'm apparently out of date: (4, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238593)

My understanding, back when MS first started talking about the whole 'Azure' thing, was that they were trying to distinguish themselves from Amazon(and others) 'just a bunch of VMs, but easy to buy/release programmatically' product in favor of some sort of more abstracted 'platform' that would hide both the hardware details and the OS guts, in favor of an environment that mostly resembled an application's-eye-view of Windows; but without the Windows administration, along with some similarly abstracted SQL and web-hosting things. It was always presumed that it wouldn't exactly be running on Linux; but that it didn't 'run Windows' in the sense of any 'Windows' SKU that Joe Customer could buy a box of and plunk onto a server at the office...

Was offering just-plain-boring offsite VMs always part of the plan? Did they discover somewhere partway through the execution phase that their pure-cloud application environment just wasn't quite Windows enough for their customers? Are the plain-VM offerings an integral part of the somewhat confusing alphabet soup of 'azure services', or is this a checkbox-filling thing that was tacked on because somebody wanted it and the internal cost of hyper-v licenses is small?

Re:I'm apparently out of date: (4, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239093)

I don't know what the original plan was, but today Azure covers both ends of the spectrum. If you want, you can treat it as an abstract black box, deploying websites or services without caring what the underlying OS is and how it runs - all you know that it runs .NET and native Win32 binaries. Ditto for SQL Azure and other services.

On the other end, VMs have already been available for a while, and you could even upload your own VHDs there and mount them. I don't recall when that was added, but certainly not from the very beginning.

The original black box is not so black anymore, either. For example, you can use RDP to connect to your web and worker instances, to e.g. debug things there. In practice, it turns out that it was "Windows enough" all along, it just wasn't revealed entirely. On other fronts, it lets you e.g. configure PHP to run as an ISAPI module or via FastCGI, which exposes the fact that its IIS.

As to why, well... I guess some people want more control and VMs with RDP (and now Linux, too), while others are perfectly happy with not bothering at all and just clicking "Deploy" for their package in the admin interface. If you can convince both of those to give you money, why not? Especially if you're heavily competing against two other cloud service providers, one of which pretty much dominates the market.

Re:I'm apparently out of date: (1)

Junta (36770) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239807)

Regardless of initial intent (I seem to vaguely remember the same message being relayed by people *swearing* azure was going to render other platforms irrelevant), they probably see EC2 continuing on without popularity abating. MS realized they aren't fundamentally changing the game so they want to try to beat EC2 at their own game. Probably a whole lot of practical realization that while in theory a platform that magically has 'no OS' is actually going to be harder to debug/service than they expected....

In other news.... (1)

hguorbray (967940) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238605)

frozen confectioneries sighted in the Netherworld

-I'm just sayin'

This affects my vacation plans (4, Funny)

claytongulick (725397) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238621)

I was planning to book a skiing vacation in Colorado, but it looks at if all the sweet powder will be on the mountains in hell.

Re:This affects my vacation plans (2)

digitig (1056110) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239101)

Don't worry. The version Microsoft supports will be an "improved" one that is subtly incompatible with "traditional" Linux services.

Re:This affects my vacation plans (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40239305)

Otherwise known as Ubuntu

Charon (3, Informative)

Saija (1114681) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238627)

I heard this Charon guy it's having problems with the freeze of the styx river

If you had a sexy enemy... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40238659)

And she didnt mind... I mean, you could sleep with her... if anything its a kinda twisted turn on. C'mon, you sexy lil penguin, give these 4-eyed-boxy-thingie-with-a-butterfly a chance.

going live at 4am.... (1)

Cyko_01 (1092499) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238697)

after which it is expected to spontaneously burst into flames

Shameless Plug - DevOps (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238717)

If you're into devops, the company I work for has today released a knife client plugin for compatibility with Azure, allowing you to spin up and manage Azure instances easily from the command line. And of course knife can bootstrap Chef onto any of the announced Azure OSs. I'll let the press release provide details, because it does a better job of it than I will ;)

http://www.opscode.com/press-releases/opscode-announces-interoperability-with-windows-azure/ [opscode.com]

Of course... (1)

nashv (1479253) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238721)

If you can't beat 'em, find a way to make money while you join 'em.

Well played, Microsoft, well played.

The Sixth Seal is open! Judgment draws nigh! (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238735)

Repent, ye sinners, as this is certain sign that the End of Days is upon us.

Typo (1)

Lord Byron Eee PC (1579911) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238741)

OpenSUSE 12.01 doesn't exist, but 12.1 is the current version, so that's probably what was meant in the summary.

Isn't it Reassuring to Know ... (4, Funny)

srobert (4099) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238777)

... that Microsoft is now embracing Linux and will be extending its capabilities?

Re:Isn't it Reassuring to Know ... (3, Informative)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239301)

To extinguish that joke before it goes any further, MS was one of the biggest single contributors to the Linux kernel for a little while because they were adding Hyper-V compatibility stuff. So they've been embracing and extending it for some time now.

Re:Isn't it Reassuring to Know ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40240483)

I guess we just found out why they've been contributing to Linux.

I honestly haven't kept up with Azure but I assume it is partly based on Hyper-V.

Bug fix or change request (1)

realitycheckplease (2487810) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238873)

Go back to the original spec. If it's not working per the spec, that's a bug, fix it free. If they want a change to something that is working per the spec, that's a chargeable change.

Re:Bug fix or change request (1)

realitycheckplease (2487810) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238913)

bah, commented to totally the wrong thread. I am a noob!

Re:Bug fix or change request (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239163)

That's what you get for using a blasphemous browser with multiple tabs!

http://saveie6.com/ [saveie6.com]

Oh, irony. (0)

boorack (1345877) | more than 2 years ago | (#40238919)

Red Hat apparently not supported. Yet CentOS is. And lots of others. The biggest and most important one omitted for some reason. Me thinks it smells like divide & conquer. Anybody (still) believes in M$ intentions ? "Honest Microsoft" ? Isn't it an oxymoron ?

Re:Oh, irony. (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239025)

Maybe Red Hat declined to participate?

Isn't that the point of CentOS in the first place?

Re:Oh, irony. (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239111)

It's "supported" as in "official support".

Open-source support company OpenLogic is providing CentOS for the Azure portal. CentOS is a clone of the enterprise-focused Red Hat Enterprise Linux distribution. (Red Hat did not respond to queries to comment on the Azure announcement.) OpenLogic has provided commercial support for CentOS since 2009, along with 600 other open-source programs. For Microsoft, OpenLogic will support all the running instances of CentOS, which includes providing Azure with the latest version of CentOS. Users will be able to update their CentOS virtual machines from a repository of patches that OpenLogic will maintain on Azure. Microsoft has contracted OpenLogic to provide support, initially, for a set monthly fee, said Steve Grandchamp, CEO of OpenLogic.

Otherwise you can run whatever the hell you want there:

In addition to the virtual machine images of selected distributions, users will be able to import their own Linux builds through Microsoft's Virtual Hard Disk (VHD) capability, according to the announcement posted by Microsoft.

I guess the reason why it's CentOS + paid support rather than RedHat is either because it's cheaper, or because MS doesn't want to give money to one of their major competitors in server space, or likely both.

Re:Oh, irony. (2)

CajunArson (465943) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239539)

So basically when people come on here and loudly brag about how they use Centos and never pay Redhat for support that's uber-cool sticking it to the man because Redhat is evil (for some undefined reason while we blindly worship Ubuntu).

However, when "evil" "M$" does the same thing it just proves they are sub-human 1%er scum (because George Soros told me to say that since he is betting against them in the derivatives market and George Soros is just a humble grass-roots community organizer).

Gotcha: No matter what M$ does is evil becuase you feel like it and the facts don't matter. Have you considered working for Assad to spread propaganda about the Syrian people?

the phrase tits on a bull come to mind (1)

awpoopy (1054584) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239007)

Or was it tits on a boar? The idea is the same though. Let's put this Bugatti Veyron together and remove the steering wheel, windows and tires.

Re:the phrase tits on a bull come to mind (1)

fotoguzzi (230256) | more than 2 years ago | (#40240481)

Let's have Volkswagen put this Bugatti Veyron together.... Seems just as ridiculous.

FreeBSD? (1)

kchoudhu (2572437) | more than 2 years ago | (#40239243)

And when will FreeBSD be coming to Azure?

Re:FreeBSD? (2)

Holistic Missile (976980) | more than 2 years ago | (#40240283)

or OS X?

*ducks*

Klein said it best (2)

mykro76 (1137341) | more than 2 years ago | (#40240489)

First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. And then they attack you and want to burn you. And then they build monuments to you.

Worst of Both Worlds (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 2 years ago | (#40240557)

So: run an unpopular OS on a monopoly business network? Depend on the monopoly to run an OS it hates, on top of an OS it loves that sucks?

That sounds like a terrible deal, the worst of both worlds.

the real reason (2, Funny)

slashmydots (2189826) | more than 2 years ago | (#40240673)

Apparently even Microsoft can't affording Microsoft licensing on its servers, lol.
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