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Oracle's Ellison Vows "Most Comprehensive Cloud On Earth"

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the silver-lining dept.

Cloud 78

CWmike writes "Oracle CEO Larry Ellison declared the company is ready to offer 'the most comprehensive cloud on the planet Earth,' during a webcast event on Wednesday. 'It's been a long time coming,' Ellison said of the Oracle Public Cloud, which encompasses Oracle's suite of Fusion Applications delivered as both SaaS (software as a service) and PaaS (platform as a service) features, including the Java Cloud Service and Database Cloud Service. It's also the home of Oracle Social Network, the company's foray into Facebook-like collaboration tools for enterprises. Wednesday's event — and Twitter (where his first tweet is a gem) — also provided Ellison with an opportunity to tout what he called Oracle Public Cloud's many advantages over rivals such as SAP and Salesforce.com, as well as to engage in some of his traditional competitive trash talk."

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What's he going to call it? (4, Funny)

theNetImp (190602) | more than 2 years ago | (#40242783)

The "rain cloud"?

Re:What's he going to call it? (2)

Kergan (780543) | more than 2 years ago | (#40242791)

How about the tear cloud?

Re:What's he going to call it? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#40248009)

I gots sunshiiiiiiine, on a cloudy day
When the web is dow-own, I got the month of May
I hear you say, what can make me feel this way?
Local! Local! Local! Talking 'bout STORAGE!
LOCAL!

(apologies to The Temptations)

Re:What's he going to call it? (1)

marcello_dl (667940) | more than 2 years ago | (#40242815)

The "undryable cloud"?

  But hey why are we doing the work of Oracle ads team? let's see what they come it up with.

Re:What's he going to call it? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40242835)

OoyA

"Oracle Owns Your Ass"

Re:What's he going to call it? (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 2 years ago | (#40244417)

Should've added "Big" to the beginning.

Re:What's he going to call it? (1)

gsgriffin (1195771) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243235)

I think you mean "reign cloud"

Re:What's he going to call it? (1)

Migala77 (1179151) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243303)

He says it's a cloud on planet Earth, I think that's called "fog". So maybe Oracle Fog, or even Oracle's Fogging Service?

Re:What's he going to call it? (2)

Shirogitsune (1810950) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243485)

"The cloudiest cloud to ever cloud the Cloud!" +12 points for having more buzz than words in the sentence. :D

Re:What's he going to call it? (2)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243665)

The "rain cloud"?

Given their pricing model, Operation Vacu-Suck is fitting. Anything less would be downright disrespectful to Larry's greed.

Re:What's he going to call it? (1)

fche (36607) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243943)

A cloud right on the earth (surface) is called "fog".

Re:What's he going to call it? (4, Funny)

Jon_E (148226) | more than 2 years ago | (#40244377)

yeah .. the huge one that blots out what's left of the Sun (pun intended) ..

Re:What's he going to call it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40250325)

.. and rains in my java.

Re:What's he going to call it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40248789)

Let's hope it rains off soon.

Bah! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40242787)

I am for 100% natural clouds!

Ellison's Cload Dream (1, Troll)

lipanitech (2620815) | more than 2 years ago | (#40242809)

Larry Ellison has been talking about the cloud for years he has openly said the client / server configuration is stupid. His big hold up in the 90's was dial up now with everyone having dial up this is no longer a pipe dream. I am happy Oracle is pushing forward with this in Ellison book he talks extensively on cloud environment.

Re:Ellison's Cload Dream (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40242823)

+1 low effort cloadsourced astroturf.

Re:Ellison's Cload Dream (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40242831)

Hop off his dick.

Re:Ellison's Cload Dream (3, Funny)

arth1 (260657) | more than 2 years ago | (#40242903)

Larry Ellison has been talking about the cloud for years he has openly said the client / server configuration is stupid.

Is this the same Larry Ellison who said that PCs were doomed and the future was client-server models with thin clients - especially his Network Computer?

Don't you guys all reply on your Oracle NCs at the same time, now...
 

Re:Ellison's Cload Dream (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40243849)

Cload? Fun typo. You just took me back to my first computer with software on audio cassette. Thanks!

Ode to Nature (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40242821)

I've seen thee
Sitting there under the faggotree
No reasons abound
Besides your wet mound
i just wanted a kiss
Water, sports, in my mouth you doth piss
Then I turned to leave
After I found out together we'd be Adam & Steve

Oracle Social Network (5, Funny)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | more than 2 years ago | (#40242839)

It's a pretty slick interface. First you edit 5 different text files in various directories, then you run half a dozen commands from the command line, then you log in and do another half dozen commands before finally loading your friends and likes/dislikes lists, then you go out and buy more memory. But at last, you're ready to log in see what all your friends named "scott" are up to.

Re:Oracle Social Network (5, Insightful)

Freaky Spook (811861) | more than 2 years ago | (#40242931)

Also knowing Oracle's licensing model.

You buy a license per friend you add
You pay per photo upload
You also pay per click when friends click on your photo
You get an allocated number of status updates a month, and after that allocation you pay per message.
You also need to buy Premium support in case your account gets hijacked.
If you want to move to another social network, you need to pay Oracle to return your data to you.

Re:Oracle Social Network (1)

gsgriffin (1195771) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243251)

You forgot that you also pay dearly for how fast you can type.

more licensing (1)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243415)

It will run IA64 software, but only for the next 12 months, however, they will sign contracts with you to pledge support for that architecture.
It will run X86_64 software, but the licenses will cost 4 times as much as running SPARC software.

And the kicker:
The developers will all flee to another company and fork the project once enough momentum has been gained to impose a draconian license change

Re:Oracle Social Network (1)

sticks_us (150624) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243401)

The Oracle Social Network piece seems pretty solid, but some people think the configuration might be a little difficult (until they pass their Oracle cert tests).

Here's the sample SCLINIT.ORA (it should be "social-init.ora" but damn that 8+3 filename convention):

FRIEND_LIST_LISTENER =
  (FRIEND_LIST =
        (FRIEND_DESC =
            (GLOBAL_FRIENDNAME = GENGHIS.KHAN)
            (FRIEND_HOME = /mongolia/otrar/)
            (FRIEND_NAME = my-doppelganger)
        )
    )
    (FRIEND_LIST =
        (FRIEND_DESC =
            (GLOBAL_FRIENDNAME = COMMANDER.TACO)
            (FRIEND_HOME = /no_california/silicon_valley/)
            (FRIEND_NAME = cmdrtaco)
        )
    )
    (FRIEND_LIST =
        (FRIEND_DESC =
            (GLOBAL_FRIENDNAME = MARC.BENIOFF)
            (FRIEND_HOME = /no_california/marin_county/)
            (FRIEND_NAME = markee-mark)
        )
    )
)

Re:Oracle Social Network (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40243583)

When you create your account you have to guess at the maximum number of friends you'll ever need. If you guess wrong you'll have to ALTER FRIENDSPACE later.

Re:Oracle Social Network (1)

MachineShedFred (621896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40248079)

Don't forget that when you have any application that wants to use the Oracle Social Network, you have to reconfigure your tnsnames.ora file.

Oracle? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40242859)

I'll PaaS on that.

Oh lordy.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40242867)

The very word "cloud" is beginning to piss me off. And this just pushes it over the edge. I already hear tech ignorant MBA types blabbering on about cloud this and cloud that now that Oracle is involved its just going to reach a crescendo. In my day we just called it the internet, meh

Re:Oh lordy.... (1)

arth1 (260657) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243005)

The very word "cloud" is beginning to piss me off. And this just pushes it over the edge. I already hear tech ignorant MBA types blabbering on about cloud this and cloud that now that Oracle is involved its just going to reach a crescendo.

Remember that there's sunshine behind every cloud. Well, except at night, of course. Or during lunar eclipses. Or when seen from above. But otherwise.
This too shall pass. No fad or bandwagon lasts forever, thankfully. And in this case, all it takes is one company being badly burned by problems that are unique to or exposed by clouds.

In my day we just called it the internet, meh

No, it's different. In a cloud service, you don't know or care where your software runs, or what it runs on.

Re:Oh lordy.... (1)

u64 (1450711) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243285)

"In a cloud service, you don't know or care where your software runs, or what it runs on."

Sounds like a perfect way for businesses to fly above the Laws. Hmmm... perhaps we need a torrent/magnet-cloud...

That reminds me of something... (1)

zill (1690130) | more than 2 years ago | (#40242893)

Most Comprehensive Cloud On Earth

At a summit of political and military leaders from around the world, unanimous approval is given to a plan code-named "Operation Dark Storm [wikipedia.org] ", which aims to cut the machines off from the sun, their primary energy source. The plan is executed in 2095, with high altitude bombers dispersing sky-darkening nanomachines into the air, while the human armies simultaneously launch a ground offensive against the machine forces.

Another Oracle patent (4, Insightful)

Alien Being (18488) | more than 2 years ago | (#40242907)

A cloud with no silver lining.

yup (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40242945)

Insane egotistical CEO makes sweeping hyped-up statement.

Here's Tom with the weather

Larry's Cloud (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40242987)

It's been raining here in New England for three weeks. The last thing we need is another cloud. Stick to boat racing Larry.

DevOps Borat got this covered. (4, Funny)

eddy (18759) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243043)

Oracle Cloud is combine best of both world: cheap of Oracle Enterprise DB and simple of J2EE.

source [twitter.com]

Link to the service itself (3, Informative)

philj (13777) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243053)

Re:Link to the service itself (3, Funny)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243211)

Heh. "DATABASE: The Oracle database you love, now in the cloud".

"DINNER: The coppery taste you love, now in larger portions."

Re:Link to the service itself (1)

rgbrenner (317308) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243595)

Wait.. "comprehensive" is 3 applications + java platform + oracle DB? I don't think that word means what Ellison thinks it means.

Re:Link to the service itself (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40243971)

But JAVA!!!

Re:Link to the service itself (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40244083)

Source here: http://www.cipsum.com

Re:Link to the service itself (1)

RicktheBrick (588466) | more than 2 years ago | (#40245201)

I guess cloud is mainly for business as for an individual it doesn't make much sense. I keep seeing an add for backup that advertise it cost $.25 a gigabyte per month. That would mean it would cost $250 a terabyte per month. One could buy two usb 2 terabyte hard drives for that amount so one could store locally a lot more. The only thing I could see that would be worth backing up would be home videos, music, and pictures and one would have to do a lot to generate that much data. I can see a day soon when the motherboard has a ssd on it and the operating system would be on both the ssd and the hard drive. One would boot from the ssd and would have the hard drive for backup. One could purchase an usb3 external hard drive. I would thing that backup to that drive would be fairly easy for all personal data. Even if they could offer backup for a penny a gigabyte it would be hard for me to justify that cost. I guess if my house would burn down, I would lose all of my personal data but my insurance for it is not even close to that of backup cost.

SAP bought Ariba (5, Interesting)

aslanuk (949345) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243097)

This is pure headlines because SAP announced they are to acquire Ariba for $4.7bln a few weeks back. Ariba is the #1 SaaS procurement software vendor from sourcing through to payment. I beleive what made Ariba so valuable (10x revenue) was their network of businesses. I would not class myself as an expert but it appears that if you want to source, procure or invoice then you connect your business to your trading partners over this network - it was described as the Facebook for business. A quick guess would be this removes paper from the process, means everything's electronic, reduces cost and other PHB's wet dreams. Reading around it looks like Ariba was kicking Oracle and SAP's booty in this space and their network was growing at a huge rate. There is a lot of opinion on SAP's acquisition of Ariba but if Larry hasn't got this network part then it's Oracle On Demand by another name. I guess SAP think this network is the key, looked at google+ and realised that to build it themselves once an established player is in play is difficult.

Re:SAP bought Ariba (1)

semi-extrinsic (1997002) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243357)

What are you doing writing sensible comments on an article whose headline includes the words "Oracle" and "Cloud"? I came here for the lulz, dammit!

"Comprehensive Cloud" . . . Oxymoron . . . ? (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243147)

Sound like a definite oxymoron to me. "Apprehensive Cloud" would be more fitting.

Cloud? (1)

JasterBobaMereel (1102861) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243347)

Cloud : A meaningless term that encompasses everything from network storage up to a fully virtualised system

By most of the industry definitions a desktop PC is a local single node cloud ...!

Put your data in the cloud, where the company hosting it can ransom it back to you

Run your business from the cloud, so if your internet connection goes down you have no business ....

Re:Cloud? (1)

JAlexoi (1085785) | more than 2 years ago | (#40244449)

Cloud : A meaningless term that encompasses everything from network storage up to a fully virtualised system

By most of the industry definitions a desktop PC is a local single node cloud ...!

Ok. I'll bite. Enlighten us oh knowledgeable one. By who's definitions a desktop PC is a cloud? And how is the term meaningless?
Or are you raging on because you can't put that term into your CV?

Re:Cloud? (1)

WaffleMonster (969671) | more than 2 years ago | (#40247385)

Ok. I'll bite. Enlighten us oh knowledgeable one. By who's definitions a desktop PC is a cloud?
And how is the term meaningless?

"Cloud" is a meme propogated virally. I doubt anyone has any clue who is responsible for the term or what it really means. In the process of propogation it has been abused, misused and redefined by everyone wishing to describe any service offered over a WAN as they all believe or assert it to be a critically important keyword that will bring interest and sales to their offerings.

I used to see it in network diagrams to show telco ATM/Frame cloud, Internet..etc as simply a resources outside of your administrative control.

Then many years later something weird happened. Everyone who was offering any online service or network service started using the word cloud simply because it became a viral meme. A "local cloud" is what? Like an online service run by someone else except it is over a local network run by you?...Any local computer offering any network service such as a file server, backup system, database server, virtual machine host could all legitimatly qualify as far as I can tell as a local cloud. Who coined the term? Who is responsible for any of this terminology? If you were to tell me no my defintion is false where is the authoratitive basis for you to make this claim?

Before the cloud meme went viral we had things like grid computing which had a specific meaning with regards to distribution and abstraction of compute, storage, network, federation of control. Now all of these things have been lost when the term compute grid is replaced with "cloud".

Virtualization had a specific meaning until it was replaced with "cloud".

The concept of SAAS was also understood separatly before it too fell vicitim to "cloud".

Now all of these separate concepts are described by a noun, verb and "cloud"...not helpful if your goal is to communicate unambiguous useful information.

When you purchased an online service the services computers and network infustructure may or may not be run by the company you purchased it from...now this is "clouded" leaving users with a mental image where before it was clear your data was on just a bunch of servers run by company x. These companies always now often use language like "the cloud" like it is "the Internet" or something leading the user to imagine something that may or may not be true.

I know from personal experience when someone says "cloud" without qualification I tend to have little clue on what it is they are talking about without asking for clarification. This has been a source of confusion. Even if there was an authoratitive definition of "cloud" to be had language is not defined by authority it is defined by convention. What everyone alives understands it to mean is what it means. I have run into more divergent understandings than I am comfortable with.

Re:Cloud? (1)

JAlexoi (1085785) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278573)

I believe NIST has a definition of what the cloud is - http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-145/SP800-145.pdf [nist.gov]
It will go through several iterations, just like SOA did.

Also, cloud isn't a meme it's a buzzword.
Virtualization hasn't been replaced by the term cloud neither has it changed it's meaning, with that you are mistaken.(There are some people that refer to virtualization as cloud, but those are mostly people that want to mock both terms)


I'm just waiting for someone to throw in "The cloud is just a bunch of servers". Just like it was quite usual for some people to say "SOA is a bunch of SOAP web services."

And I used to denote the internet as the cloud, simply because of the elasticity of the resources it referred to. And that migrated into the cloud successfully. I also denoted many external providers of facilities management in a shape of a cloud in a departmental diagram.

Re:Cloud? (1)

JasterBobaMereel (1102861) | more than 2 years ago | (#40256207)

Desktop PC - Run Apache Hadoop on it .... is this now a cloud computer? Or Not ....?

I don't want that term on my CV ... it is so nebulous it is meaningless ... my CV has real Specific Applications on it some of which are generally thought of as "Cloud" ...

Re:Cloud? (1)

JAlexoi (1085785) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278609)

Desktop PC - Run Apache Hadoop on it .... is this now a cloud computer? Or Not ....?

Yeah.... Right.... Hadoop makes a desktop PC into a cloud.
Next time when you try to mock something you don't really understand, at least make an effort to know why it's bad.

my CV has real Specific Applications on it some of which are generally thought of as "Cloud"

Based on your first statement, I will keep my doubts.

Re:Cloud? (1)

Intropy (2009018) | more than 2 years ago | (#40245051)

Don't worry "cloud" is just what Ellison likes to call litigation.

I dont like his idea.... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243521)

I prefer Harlan Ellison's Ideas instead.

Croatoan (1)

mcneely.mike (927221) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243779)

What? Give/have an abortion and flush the fetus away so that an underground society can call you father?

Cool! :-)

As Al Bundy once said: (1)

mcneely.mike (927221) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243727)

"Bake a pie, eat a pie."

Wake up Larry. The world hates you. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40243805)

I know he's the type of person that surrounds himself with yes men and sycophants because he seems oblivious to the notion that the world hates him and his company.

Oracle's relationships with it's customers resembles a hostage situation more than anything else. I imagine an Oracle sales rep as a crazed gunman making ever wilder and arbitrary demands while keeping your servers and data hostage.

At some point in every company's life their core products become obsolete. The company either adapts or dies. When new products/tech/models obslete Oracle's traditional offerings, and they can no longer leverage dependency on their software.. Who's going to buy Oracle's new offerings? Why would I go near Oracle if they're just interested in extorting money or suing me in oblivion?

Oracle's acquiring companies like Mad because the above is already starting to happen, but it won't work because the core of the company is Rotten. Maybe when Larry gets older, realizes his life is hollow, his presence in the world is toxic, and it's time to go in to "legacy building" as all old rich men do. Maybe then he'll start acting like a human being.

Now (1)

frankgerlach11 (2657679) | more than 2 years ago | (#40255257)

..why is Oracle still in business ? Is it sadomasochism on the part of his victims ? Would be a nice explanation - sado-maso is real biz.

The World's Most Comprehensive ... (1)

Rambo Tribble (1273454) | more than 2 years ago | (#40243899)

... Payment Plan, to boot, I'd wager.

"Cloud" is now officially dead (1)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | more than 2 years ago | (#40244063)

When Ahboracle jumps on board with crap like this you know it has peaked.

You insensitive clod! (1)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#40244363)

I'm in Seattle. We already have widespread cloud coverage here.

Re:You insensitive clod! (1)

Scarred Intellect (1648867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40244753)

Yea, some of those leaked over here to the Tri-Cities. It's depressing, all this gray and rain. Will you take you clouds back? We don't like them over here.

In exchange, we'll gladly take that big yellow orb in the sky that frightens you so much whenever it sneaks into your area.

Thanks.

Ship's already sailed (3, Informative)

sandytaru (1158959) | more than 2 years ago | (#40244383)

Their real competition in this space is Amazon, and they don't even seem to be addressing that. The majority of cloud work I've done lately has been using AWS instances. Yes, Salesforce has the big name for enterprise class ERP apps, but the big data crunching, file distribution, and work all seems to be happening with AWS these days.

Re:Ship's already sailed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40250167)

Their real competition in this space is Amazon, and they don't even seem to be addressing that. The majority of cloud work I've done lately has been using AWS instances. Yes, Salesforce has the big name for enterprise class ERP apps, but the big data crunching, file distribution, and work all seems to be happening with AWS these days.

ask Salesforce what database they use

Death Cloud! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40244623)

All kneel before the Death Cloud!

Ya no (0)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 2 years ago | (#40244805)

Oracle isn't competing with Salesforce.com. They have NO sales offering what-so-ever. They just bought RightNow which has a mediocre sales offering, but Oracles specifically told its customers it doesn't plan to invest any time into it, and Rightnow certainly hasn't over the past 10 years. So they basically have a bunch of SAAS ticketing systems, which are nice and work well, but they do not have anything that can even remotely touch salesforce.

As long as none of them run Android (1)

phonewebcam (446772) | more than 2 years ago | (#40244989)

Oracle lost, but they have not been forgiven or forgotten. Good luck picking them up as future customers with your me-too-but-costs-ten-times-as-much cloud offering. Oh, and there are quite a few of them already, with literally millions more every day.

Oracle WANTS to be "Paradise" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40245557)

It's like they decided that being the graveyard where apps go to die was not finite enough, so they moved it to the cloud...

So we have to move our network computers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40245721)

We just finished implementing them for the internet database....

Most expensive cloud on earth (1)

WaffleMonster (969671) | more than 2 years ago | (#40246157)

If you thought Oracle was not already cool enough just wait for the hosted grid version of rman and an even more incredibly "unbreakable" platform with the security record that makes Adobe look good.

Mr Ellison and crew always put a grin on my face ...how they are still in business with their outrageous pricing and dated technology I fear has a lot to do with massive government waste of our taxpayer dollars.

Excellent... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40246409)

Now I can get that first rate Oracle support, coupled with their fantastically low prices, managed by a perfectly sane CEO, without any guarantee of being sued for something crazy.

MisQuote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40246533)

It is probably a misquote. I am sure that he said expensive, not comprehensive.

"Comprehensive" !!! Absolutely. (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 2 years ago | (#40247711)

It reflects Larry Ellison's "comprehension" of the online future.

Sadly, Larry Ellison is no Harlan Ellison. Bye-bye, Oracle.

Sun, Cloud... (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 2 years ago | (#40248817)

They just can't decide, can they?

I guess Blizzard should be worried.

Who else read this as.... (1)

tlambert (566799) | more than 2 years ago | (#40248865)

"Oracle's Ellison Most Comprehensive Clod On Earth"?

-- Terry

Cloud indeed (1)

Trogre (513942) | more than 2 years ago | (#40251417)

Well, the cloud he has cast over the computing industry in general seems fairly comprehensive.

Purely for the lulz... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40253413)

ORACLE (One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison)

Then we will fight in the shade! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40258573)

Then we will fight in the shade!

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