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Game of Thrones The Most Pirated TV Show of the Season

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the they-must-be-proud dept.

Piracy 312

TheGift73 sends this excerpt from TorrentFreak: "With nearly 4 million downloads per episode, the HBO hit series Game of Thrones is the most pirated TV-show of the season. Worldwide hype combined with restricted availability are the key ingredients for the staggering number of unauthorized downloads. How I Met Your Mother and The Big Bang Theory complete the top three, albeit with significantly fewer downloads than the chart topper. ... While there are many reasons for people to download TV-shows through BitTorrent, airing delays and HBO's choice not to make it widely available online are two of the top reasons."

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312 comments

In other news (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262325)

Game of Thrones, one of the best selling TV shows on blu-ray.

Re:In other news (1)

Airline_Sickness_Bag (111686) | more than 2 years ago | (#40263123)

I've got the season 1 BD set. The picture quality is amazing.

Big shock... (5, Insightful)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262331)

The oatmeal covers this pretty well. [theoatmeal.com] When people complain and are waving money at you and you don't want to take it, you have no one to blame but yourself.

Re:Big shock... (-1, Redundant)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262361)

People are waving money. They are not waving enough money. If you wave an estimated $90 per month (which may very by market), you can get HBO Go.

Re:Big shock... (5, Insightful)

imgod2u (812837) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262395)

When a large mass of people are willing to pay, but you choose to limit the market to a much smaller mass just so that you can charge more, that's the definition of artificial scarcity.

If not artificial scarcity then what? (2, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262439)

Can you think of a model better than artificial scarcity for financing the sort of production values seen in such a series?

Re:If not artificial scarcity then what? (4, Insightful)

robot256 (1635039) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262649)

I think what the GP meant was obscene stupidity. If you can sell a thousand copies for $100 each, or a million copies for $10 each, and choose the former, the only thing to do is take your executives out to the barn with a shotgun. Or at the very least, not complain when people copy your shit.

Re:If not artificial scarcity then what? (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262729)

>>>If you wave an estimated $90 per month (which may very by market), you can get HBO Go.

P.S. I just donated $90 to Clarkesworld magazine. Why? Because they gave me not just one month, but 6 YEARS of entertainment. (Including expensive narrators reading the stories to you.) All of it archived here: http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/prior/ [clarkesworldmagazine.com]

Fie on HBO, Comcast, et cetera and their ripoff ~$1100 a year cost. I'd be willing to pay a la carte service like Sirius XM has ($8 for any 40 channels of your choice) but not huge amounts. Me not rich. ;-) I'll just use the freebie antenna TV. Plus hulu. Plus reading.

Re:If not artificial scarcity then what? (2)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#40263037)

Can you think of a model better than artificial scarcity for financing the sort of production values seen in such a series?

Yes.

Re:Big shock... (2)

schitso (2541028) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262399)

Perhaps they should have phrased that as "are waving money in amounts that aren't obscenely in excess of what should be asked".

Who should set prices, and why? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262555)

Who should have the right to determine "what should be asked", and why?

Re:Who should set prices, and why? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262663)

Well, to speak for all the so-called free market dick-wavers "the market" . Which has. It appears most people are willing to pay $0, and they can find an agent that will supply at that price point.

Re:Who should set prices, and why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262889)

They're free to ask. Doesn't mean people will pay them what they ask.

Maybe they could lower their price, offer a better product, and people would say yes.

Or are you one of the people who thinks VCR's should've been banned?

Re:Who should set prices, and why? (4, Insightful)

neokushan (932374) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262987)

It's not a right, it's a simple business practice called Price elasticity of Demand [wikipedia.org] .
In a nutshell, the lower the price of something the more demand there will be. It's not necessarily a linear graph (i.e. 10 people will pay $100 but 100 people will pay $10) and it varies depending on the product, what time of year it is, the market in general etc. but the principal is always the same.

In this case, all people want is the ability to pay for just the standalone service that they want rather than having to buy bundles of crap they don't need.
I'm not even from the US, I can't get "HBO" and I support this philosophy - I have 165 TV channels due to my provider's "packages" and I find myself switching between about the same 10 or 15 in the average week, some of which are free to air anyway.

To make matters worse, with my current provider there is absolutely no way I can watch Game of Thrones, no matter how much money I throw at them - they don't have the channel that shows it, only one provider does and its exclusive to them and only them (for those wonder, I live in the UK, use Virgin Media for their broadband and Sky Atlantic is the Channel that shows Game of Thrones, which Sky refuses to share with Virgin).

To use an analogy, you want to buy a music track. That music track is part of an album of 12 other songs, most of which are terrible and 1 or 2 are maybe "listenable". Not only this, but there's only one music service that sells this album and it's not compatible with your current MP3 player.
You COULD buy a new mp3 player, switch to the new music service (or carry multiple devices) and spend 5x more than the one song is actually worth OR just download the MP3 of the song illegally.

Re:Big shock... (2)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262405)

No they're waving enough money. HBO just believes that if they force people to buy their entire service that's okay and fine. The reality is, internet changed everything. They only want to buy, what they want to buy. Hell in Canada, most companies require you to buy blocks of other channels. Even then, HBO Canada is usually 8 months behind the curve.

Yeah no one wants to buy that.

Re:Big shock... (5, Insightful)

Dracos (107777) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262565)

The reality is, internet changed everything. They only want to buy, what they want to buy.

This is why television's channel package business model is doomed. The average cable customer only watches about a dozen channels; the rest of their cable bill goes to subsidize the other 138 channels. Cable TV is increasingly seen as not worth the cost.

If we could get a la carte programming, cable costs would plummet... those dozen channels would total about $20/month. But so would the number of channels, most of which couldn't survive without their current subsidies. Every cable and studio executive will proclaim to be a "free market guy", except in cases like this.

Re:Big shock... (2)

robot256 (1635039) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262697)

Hopefully when all those excess channels fail, the good programs will concentrate in the remaining ones and the chaff will be left out to dry. It seems like networks think they only need one hit show to justify their existence for the other 23 hours of the day, but they are so, so very wrong.

Re:Big shock... (1)

CCarrot (1562079) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262747)

If we could get a la carte programming, cable costs would plummet... those dozen channels would total about $20/month. But so would the number of channels, most of which couldn't survive without their current subsidies.

Good. Then maybe lame ducks like the Golf channel would finally stop spamming the feed.

Seriously, IMHO the only thing more boring than playing golf is watching other people play golf.

Re:Big shock... (1)

Ambvai (1106941) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262947)

Golf: Long walks punctuated by hitting things with a stick.

What's not to love?

Re:Big shock... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40263151)

You forgot watching someone's paint dry.

Your Sig (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262433)

$900/year is NOT cheaper than buying something that receives OTA HD.

Games not shown OTA (3, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262541)

$900/year is NOT cheaper than buying something that receives OTA HD.

Last night's NBA semifinal game was not shown OTA. It was shown on ESPN, another network that, like HBO, refuses to sell Internet streaming subscriptions a la carte. WatchESPN.com uses the same sort of verification of cable television subscription that HBO Go uses.

Re:Games not shown OTA (2)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262875)

I'm a Penn State fan but rarely see any game. I've decided they should be airing their games on Free TV, and if they are not willing then I'll just boycott. I'd do the same with NBA if I were a fan. I don't need sports.

ESPN only charges $3 per home per month. It's a shame Comcast and other government-created monopolies won't let you buy JUST that channel, plus maybe $5 for line maintenance. (Now that I think about it I think you can get ESPN for only $25 through Dish... not a bad deal if you love sports.)

Re:Games not shown OTA (2)

ejasons (205408) | more than 2 years ago | (#40263015)

ESPN only charges $3 per home per month.

However, note that they require placement on the simplest "expanded" tier, which means that it is $3 for every subscriber, regardless of whether the subscriber even cares to watch sports. To net the same amount ala carte, they would have to charge much more.

When you get Viacom doing the same thing, the networks charging for placement, etc., the base costs add up pretty quickly.

Re:Games not shown OTA (2)

avandesande (143899) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262935)

Has anyone considered that HBO or other providers might have an exclusivity contract with their carriers?

Allow contracts to expire (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40263117)

Has anyone considered that HBO or other providers might have an exclusivity contract with their carriers?

Has anyone considered that HBO should have seen this coming and not renewed those exclusivity contracts the last time they were up for renewal?

Revised (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262941)

Last night's NBA semifinal game was not shown OTA.

$900 is still much more than an NBA League Pass [nba.com] ...

Most sports now I think offers some way to get videos of the games outside cable systems.

Blackouts (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40263099)

Most sports now I think offers some way to get videos of the games outside cable systems.

Most of these Internet-only "league pass" type services black out any game shown on national pay TV or on regional pay TV.

Re:Your Sig (2)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262643)

+1 for you.

I have an antenna and don't miss cable at all. In fact I travel a lot and see cable almost every day in the hotel..... rarely do they have anything I want to see. Syfy used to have a great block of Stargate SG1, Atlantis, Galactica back-to-back but now it's devolved into some weird reality/gameshow/carbuilding channel. The last good show, Eureka, got canceled.

The other channels are pretty dismal too. I'm glad I don't pay for cable at home and just get my TV free (supplemented by hulu and fiction magazines). That's good.

Re:Your Sig (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262709)

Same here, have an antenna, rarely actually use it except to record the wife's Talent Show du Jour.

Re:Your Sig (1)

dargon (105684) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262841)

Warehouse 13 is ok, as is Alpha's, but you are right, their programming has decended into the realms of WTF!

Re:Big shock... (1)

QBasicer (781745) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262503)

With enough money, you could just buy HBO completely! That'd solve the problem!

Re:Big shock... (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262573)

>>>an estimated $90 per month (which may very by market), you can get HBO Go.

That's just nuts. The typical Cable channel only charges 50 cents per month (less for news channels, more for TNT/USA). Even expensive channels like ESPN are only $3/month. There's no way I'm paying 90 for HBO..... I see it frequently in my hotel and it rarely has anything I want to see (just the same movies again-and-again). If I want Thrones I will buy the DVD for considerably less money.

If you already have $80 cable, it's only $10 (2)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262735)

The typical Cable channel only charges 50 cents per month (less for news channels, more for TNT/USA). Even expensive channels like ESPN are only $3/month. There's no way I'm paying 90 for HBO

HBO is only $10 if you're already buying ESPN and the rest of the $80 expanded basic package that your cable operator makes you buy before you're allowed to buy HBO. I was referring to the price for people who have "cut the cord", that is, dropped pay TV in favor of Internet-only service.

If I want Thrones I will buy the DVD for considerably less money.

And stay a season behind, which other people who have posted comments to this story find unacceptable.

Re:If you already have $80 cable, it's only $10 (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262993)

True I'm a season behind. I'm only about halfway through season 1..... seems "ehh" so far. Just like that Sookie Stackhouse/vampire show is "ehh" in my opinion (also a bit demented).

TRIVIA - It takes 2 days to download GoT over dialup (70 megabyte rips).

Re:Big shock... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262579)

A large number (possibly a majority) of people who are pirating the show won't even be in an area where they can subscribe to HBO Go.

I'll be downloading Breaking Bad as soon as Season 5 start in a month, because I can't get it where I live for months after the US airing has finished. The content producers need to wake up from their decade long coma and realise it's a worldwide market now.

Re:Big shock... (2)

Kjella (173770) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262667)

I'm pretty sure there's no HBO Go service anywhere in sight here in Norway. There's Canal+, which would work but is a month late. By then somebody is bound to have spilled some spoilers, either because they're from the US or they do like I do. Besides, if you know the series is on a big cliffhanger and you know the next episode is on TPB, well... of course it's probably possible to use a VPN service to get an US IP so maybe I could use HBO Go like some of the other services, but I'm not jumping that many hoops when there's a convenient solution. This is why piracy is so big in Europe, they make a little more money in the short run but they're destroying the very foundation of their market. Once the respect for copyright is gone it's not going to come back...

Re:Big shock... (1)

sdguero (1112795) | more than 2 years ago | (#40263155)

My Chargers season tix are $731...

Re:Big shock... (5, Informative)

Karzz1 (306015) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262415)

People are willing to pay HBO the normal cost of HBO ($10-15/month) for the ability to stream HBO.. HBO is not interested [takemymoneyhbo.com] .

*sigh*

Re:Big shock... (1)

Ironchew (1069966) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262497)

I'll remember that the next time somebody says to "vote with your dollars".

Newsflash: Content providers do whatever the hell they want. The only way to push back is to repeal the obscene legislation that brands copyright infringers as criminals.

Re:Big shock... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262897)

Then they have no right to bitch about their shows being pirated at that point.

It's almost as if the people at the top of HBO, those who should care about profit margins, are either asleep, incompetent, or actually puppets controlled by media empires much larger than them.

Since they don't appear to want to change with the times, let the 'trading' continue!

Re:Big shock... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40263125)

The Atlantic has a pretty good article on why it's not in HBO's interest to open up their content outside of cable TV packages:

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/06/3-very-simple-reasons-why-you-cant-get-hbo-go-exclusively/258209/

Chiefly, Time-Warner uses HBO as a sort of honeypot to boost ratings of other, less enticing programming. Also, HBO apparently isn't set up to bill and market their own content. If HBO was an independent company, it would absolutley make sense for them to sell their stuff to whomever, whenever. Sadly, that is not the case.

Re:Big shock... (2)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262635)

I think the bigger news, not covered by TFA, is that more people are actually pirating it than are watching it "legally." [gizmodo.com] That is a bit of a surprise to me.

I'm going to be generous and guess that that means about the same number of people would be interested in watching it, but don't want to pirate AND don't have HBO, so it's possible that HBO is only getting about a third of the eyeballs it could.

Re:Big shock... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262639)

Seems ironic, you cannot find recent episodes of any of the three shows on Hulu or Netflix. I used to go check for HIMYM to CBS, but their page didn't work well at that time. So I stopped watching that show. I think the Big Bang Theory has also some of those bans imposed, so I only watch an episode by accident from time to time (mostly I just hit re-runs, so I got bored and stopped watching the show also).

Re:Big shock... (1)

wideBlueSkies (618979) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262939)

This is easy. make the fucking thing available for download every week. (I"m assuming it isn't). Charge $5.99 an ep, or offer a subscription for a full season.

Do something..... most people will indeed go the legal route and pay for the show. I would.

I don't want HBO, but I live at my buddy's house on Sunday nights when this show is on. I'd gladly pay for it.

The dummies running these media companies just don't get it.. even now after all these years they are still clueless.

Look at the Blood and Chrome debacle. Are you fracking kidding me? Sci-Fi** won't air THAT show? They're clueless if they think they won't get viewership and a secondary market for downloads.

**I refuse to use the new name.

Yes, people are pirating game of thrones.. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262337)

Why does it matter? Haven't we had enough discussions on this particular topic?

Re:Yes, people are pirating game of thrones.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262449)

I have to agree. This same topic was posted not only a couple weeks ago.

Re:Yes, people are pirating game of thrones.. (1)

Lisias (447563) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262877)

Advertising in disguise, perhaps?

It is known. (3, Funny)

dualboot (125004) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262355)

HBO hates money.

We do not pay the gold price. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262811)

I paid the silicon price to watch GoT!

Re:We do not pay the gold price. (2)

dualboot (125004) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262955)

Hodor Hodor Hodor.

Buffering issues (5, Insightful)

Ironchew (1069966) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262381)

I can't think of any online TV show viewers that buffer the video in any appreciable way. Downloading the show via BitTorrent is pretty much the only way to guarantee the show can be watched on a slow connection, or, in the case of HD video, viewed at all without constant underruns.

Re:Buffering issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262455)

Yep, I actually sent a scathing email to HBO after finding out that HBO GO is pretty much the most pathetic excuse for a streaming service imaginable. Essentially no buffering, which leads to frequent quality drops and stuttering.

The response I got was "we value your feedback and will look in to this issue."

If you're willing to stay a season behind (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262471)

Downloading the show via BitTorrent is pretty much the only way to guarantee the show can be watched on a slow connection

You can watch the show on a connection as slow as dial-up if you go to Amazon and buy the complete first season on DVD.

Re:If you're willing to stay a season behind (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262531)

And the second season?

Thanks for your help though.

The price of early access (0)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262613)

You can buy that after the third season is on the air. You could think of the $90 per month for cable TV plus HBO as the price to see seasons of Game of Thrones before they hit DVD, just as the exorbitant price of movie tickets plus refreshments is the price to see feature films before they hit DVD.

Re:The price of early access (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262733)

Or they could realize the world changed, I'll pirate it, and maybe buy the DVD if I still feel like it when they finally decide to *let* me pay them.

They don't seem to want my money. I'm okay with that. Keep shilling or whatever the hell you're doing though.

Re:The price of early access (2)

Ironchew (1069966) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262901)

If I were to pay $90 a month for that, I would consider it a ripoff because I could neither resell nor refund my purchase. DVDs are slightly less of a rip-off in that regard.
Oh, I'm paying for a service? I pay my ISP enough as it is; I don't need another money sink.

Re:If you're willing to stay a season behind (1)

Ironchew (1069966) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262539)

You can watch the show on a connection as slow as dial-up if you go to Amazon and buy the complete first season on DVD.

Assuming it's even available on DVD, which Game of Thrones isn't. Besides, even on dial-up, it might download faster than the shipping time.

Walmart.com has a listing for the DVD (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262597)

Assuming it's even available on DVD, which Game of Thrones isn't.

Walmart.com has a listing for the first season [walmart.com] . Or are you referring to DVD region coding?

Re:Walmart.com has a listing for the DVD (1)

Ironchew (1069966) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262783)

That's what happens when I hit Reply too fast...
The first season is available on DVD, but as you alluded to, it's not available worldwide. The second season isn't available at all; there are still people out there with no legitimate way to watch the show, and that is where BitTorrent shines.

Compare to the theatrical release window (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262851)

The second season isn't available at all

Please read my reply to Anonymous Coward [slashdot.org] .

Re:If you're willing to stay a season behind (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262795)

>>>You can watch the show on a connection as slow as dial-up if you go to Amazon

Seriously? I thought the minimum stream speed (like hulu and youtube) was 300k.

It's called DVD (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262885)

I thought the minimum stream speed (like hulu and youtube) was 300k.

Not if you use DVD or Blu-ray. You order a video using a slow Internet connection, and a copy of the video is mailed to you on a disc. Two providers who never underestimate the bandwidth of a mail truck full of DVDs are Amazon (for purchases) and Netflix (for rentals).

Re:If you're willing to stay a season behind (2)

ph0rk (118461) | more than 2 years ago | (#40263087)

Yes, and I won't. Most others won't, either.

HBO can wake up and come to terms with the fact they can't fully control distribution, or they can continue to lose sales. Piracy is a market pressure that keeps prices low. HBO can react to that pressure or stick their collective heads in the sand and look like buffoons. Currently, they're engaged in the latter.

Besides, I fully expect HBO to pill the plug at the end like Deadwood anyway. Why? Because apparently they were afraid they wouldn't be ably to sell enough copies of Deadwood elsewhere. Your $900 a year meant fark all. Hooray!

Re:Buffering issues (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262505)

Indeed, I *pay* for HBO and I still download the shows via BitTorrent. It just makes it so much easier to watch where and when I want.

i tried to pay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262421)

I tried hard to pay for this show, and I couldn't do it. They made it nearly impossible to get. So I pirated it.

Too bad they didn't monetize. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262435)

Too bad they didn't monetize. Now they can't (realistically) complain that they lost any money to illegal downloads -- they didn't give anyone a chance to do otherwise.

That was just the "control" part, right? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262445)

Congratulations, HBO. You have shown the power of telling potential customers "Go away, we don't want your money." Now, was this just an exercise in cynicism, or are you going to use that as the control element as part of an experiment where you start selling the Matroska files that the pirates offer? (And please don't pretend to give people what they want by merely sellingthrough Netflix or iTunes. That's not the same as truly opening for business. It might be a valid experiment, but let's not start thinking of such small time changes as anything other than a minor variation on "Go away, we don't want your money.")

Plus piracy neatly skips the ads ever 12 minutes (-1, Offtopic)

rjforster (2130) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262473)

At least, according to a collegue of mine. He gets soooo chuffing annoyed by the number of ads he's willing to wait a day for something he could watch when it's broadcast, just to get the ads removed for him.

Re:Plus piracy neatly skips the ads ever 12 minute (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262487)

Yes, damn that HBO and all their damn advertising...

Re:Plus piracy neatly skips the ads ever 12 minute (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262521)

HBO doesn't have commercials during the show.

Wait there's ads in it? (0)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262533)

What the fuck? I thought the whole point of paying for HBO (I had it once long ago) was it was "premium" content, no ads?

If they've gone to regular ad sponsored content then what the fuck is the $15/month for?

Re:Plus piracy neatly skips the ads ever 12 minute (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262553)

Above is a giant troll, or a moron.

Seriously, mod down. There are no goddamn ads.

Re:Plus piracy neatly skips the ads ever 12 minute (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262583)

Ads on HBO, wow the lies that people will tell to justify their deeds.

Didn't get enough ad impressions last time? (5, Insightful)

poity (465672) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262513)

We've had a 1000+ post flamewar over this not even a month ago.

Nominated for the Hugo Award (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262525)

The top 3 are all "nerd" shows. No surprise they'd no how to use the internet to get what they want. How many of those 4 million will buy the Thrones DVD once it's released? I bet most of them.

Season 1 of Game of Thrones is running against:
Captain America: The First Avenger
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2
Hugo
Source Code

And just for the sake of completion:
Best Dramatic Presentation (Short Form)
âoeThe Doctor's Wifeâ (Doctor Who)
âoeThe Drink Tank's Hugo Acceptance Speech,â Christopher J Garcia and James Bacon
âoeThe Girl Who Waitedâ (Doctor Who)
âoeA Good Man Goes to Warâ (Doctor Who)
âoeRemedial Chaos Theoryâ (Community)

Why pirate network TV? (2)

mark-t (151149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262559)

I can sort of get why people pirate GoT (although I don't agree with it... I can understand it)... because it's my understanding that it otherwise requires a subscription that isn't necessarily practical or convenient for many people.

But the other two are on network television, and I'm not sure why a person would bother pirating that when there are almost certainly more legitimate ways to access it I'm not a fan of HIMYM, but I do like Big Bang Theory, and I've had absolutely no difficulty watching it online this season, completely legally, every single week.

Maybe this is just a Canadian thing, but CTV, the Canadian network that carries Big Bang Theory, puts a lot of their programs online one day after airing it, and people have 7 to 14 days to watch it. BBT is up every Friday.

Re:Why pirate network TV? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262595)

or just use a dvr. you can buy one for a nominal price, or use a computer instead.

Re:Why pirate network TV? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262617)

But the other two are on network television, and I'm not sure why a person would bother pirating that when there are almost certainly more legitimate ways to access it

I'm sure convenience is the major factor. It's far easier to download the commercial free version than to DVR it and skip the commercials or install/use MythTV and/or a TV receiver card to do it.

Re:Why pirate network TV? (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262743)

It's a lot easier do well on a test by cheating... that doesn't mean it's a good idea.

My point is that other means probably exist for being able to watch network tv programs that don't involve necessarily sitting in front of the TV while it's on, or even necessarily having a television, and that those means are not particularly inconvenient. More importantly, they are legitimate.

Re:Why pirate network TV? (1)

russotto (537200) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262893)

My point is that other means probably exist for being able to watch network tv programs that don't involve necessarily sitting in front of the TV while it's on, or even necessarily having a television, and that those means are not particularly inconvenient. More importantly, they are legitimate.

Why does legitimacy matter, given that the definition of "legitimate" is set by utter scumbags? Aside from fear of getting caught, that is. I have a DVR with basic cable). If it misses a show for any reason (whether it be my error, a power outage, local pre-emption, or the cable being out, why shouldn't I just go to BitTorrent?

Re:Why pirate network TV? (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262959)

If you have to ask that question, when legitimate means do exist, then it's clear that you already have a personal agenda that is biased against corporations and media companies for whatever reason.

I don't really care that you'd rather bittorrent something than use legitimate approaches to acquire it. I asked why *normal* people would bother pirating something from network TV when legitimate means exist. If legitimacy doesn't matter to you, that's your own problem. If you can't see why it might matter to other people, that's also your own problem.

Re:Why pirate network TV? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40263039)

www.thepiratebay.org
Game of Thrones (change as desired)
Sort by most seeds
Download most popular one.

Show downloaded in 15-60 minutes(depending on size/when I download it).

Please provide an easier method of me getting a show. Even opening a DVD box is harder than most of those steps. What's the value added of me paying them? Shouldn't I get something better than the free product?

Re:Why pirate network TV? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40263067)

Why does legitimacy matter, given that the definition of "legitimate" is set by utter scumbags?

The same reason why we're trying to convince people outside our little internet forum homes that our opinions on SOPA, PIPA, etc, etc are all legitimate, despite the fact that, to the people pushing such legislation, we're just complete and utter freeloaders.

Assuming, of course, you can grasp the concept of an entire world outside your internet connection.

Re:Why pirate network TV? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262847)

You can watch both of those show for free and without commercials on CBS' website the next day. I've been watching it that way for years. You can't go back very far but, it's free and legal!

http://www.cbs.com/shows/how_i_met_your_mother/video/
http://www.cbs.com/shows/big_bang_theory/video/

Re:Why pirate network TV? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262683)

I'm not sure why a person would bother pirating that when there are almost certainly more legitimate ways to access it

The US networks don't extend to the other 6 billion people in the world. Content producers seem to think that staggered releases and geographically specific releases work. The Internet has been proving them wrong for over a decade.

Re:Why pirate network TV? (5, Interesting)

Kohlrabi82 (1672654) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262883)

I will explain the situation for Germany:

First of all, real popular shows you read about on the net normally haven't arrived on German networks, yet. Most of the time they arrive with at least one season lag, if at all. And even if you can watch the show by then, it is normally on networks which will drown you in ads every few minutes.

And don't get me started that not even today, with the full digitization of TV, you have the option to watch foreign shows undubbed in Germany. If you ever had to suffer through the German dubs of TV shows, you would no doubt also strongly consider piracy.

Of course you can wait for the DVD/BD box to arrive, containing an English audio track, but those may again arrive late or not at all. Coincidentally, GoT has been an exception here. Also, the pricing is oftentimes on the ludicrous side, and thanks to DVD and BD DRM you cannot even just get the US release.

Re:Why pirate network TV? (3, Informative)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#40263035)

But the other two are on network television, and I'm not sure why a person would bother pirating that when there are almost certainly more legitimate ways to access it

Because I can add it to my RSS feed, have it automatically downloaded to a network share, and access it through my XBMC setup. I don't have to check the schedule for air times. I don't have to be free at the same time as it airs. I don't have to pop open a browser to view it. And I don't have to wade through commercials.

Re:Why pirate network TV? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40263079)

What about the rest of the world? We wait usually a year or more to see it, only to have to listen to shitty dubbing with no way to hear the original track. The prices of DVDs are obscenely high and as well they arrive late. If you order from a different country, you'll pay ridiculous amounts of money for shipping just to have a region-locked disc that won't play on most players. There's no streaming, since no company thinks it viable - everything outside of US and UK, sometimes Germany/France is the third-world to them. Although they'll gladly sue you for downloading stuff that isn't available. Oh, how nice...

That's why people pirate it.

I'm doing my part, are you? (4, Interesting)

morari (1080535) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262581)

I just downloaded the entire second season a few days ago and began watching it. I have no interest in overpriced cable/satellite television. I'll probably pick it up on Blu-Ray next year, just like I did after pirating the first season. That's a lot better treatment than most of my pirated goods get. :P

My options (1)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262587)

Wait until next spring for Season II to start on YLE [www.yle.fi] , or pirate. (I'm not prepared to get a cable package for one show.)

I'm waiting actually, mostly because I have very little free time. I suspect a lot of people are less patient here, a lot of my friends seem to be.

wrong metric to attend to... (1)

schlachter (862210) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262589)

What I want to know is what how does the pirated rate correlate to the legitimate view of the show and the revenue of the HBO. Because the amount of pirating in absolut terms less concerning if there is still healthy profiting by HBO in spite of, or because of...the pirating.

I can rest easy... (1)

Freddybear (1805256) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262629)

in the knowledge that none of the anime fansubs I download will ever be "the most pirated show of the season".

In my case "pirating" MADE them money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262737)

I pirated the show because I can't stand the total ripoff cable is in my area. I then bought the DVDs, the video game, the audio CD, and the books in print, digital, and audio versions. So I really don't want to hear it when someone says pirating is losing them money.

I would gladly pay $3 an episode on iTunes if it could be put up at the same time as it "aired" on HBO East Coast Feed.

Breaking Bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40262869)

Id be willing to bet Breaking Bad will give GoT a run for its money once the final season starts

we need to be like Canada with theme packs / buy b (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#40262917)

we need to be like Canada with theme packs / and where you can buy the cable box (with out the $6-9+) outlet fee.

I don't watch the series... but (1)

Holammer (1217422) | more than 2 years ago | (#40263101)

Only four millions? Sounds a tad low.
The powers that be should live in the now and get with the program. Roll out a Crunchyroll type service so that anyone/anywhere can pay and watch their shows without arbitrary boundaries and restrictions. In today's interconnected world it is *unthinkable* to wait a week or a month... Heck even hours to watch the latest TV series and I suspect there is a sizeable and growing amount of purists among European viewers that refuse to watch the dubbed versions.

The old media distribution systems need to fuck off and die already.

i didnt know (1)

KingBenny (1301797) | more than 2 years ago | (#40263147)

slashdot was subject to irrelevance and clickhunting, how could it not be, what kind of massmedia post is this
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