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MorphOS 3.0 Released: Refusing To Let the PPC Desktop OS Die Gracefully

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the ultimate-nagware dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Version 3.0 of MorphOS has been released. It's the independent PPC OS designed for outdated Apple systems like G4 PowerBooks (5,6; 5,7; 5,8; or 5,9) and eMacs (1.25 GHz/1.42 GHz) and PPC Mac Minis, and some G4 PowerMac models (depends on graphics hardware). It further runs on discontinued and niche Genesi desktop systems (Pegasos) and the stunted 128-megabyte-of-RAM tiny Efika. MorphOS is a nice-looking, low-resource, and nimble OS that can't match the capabilities of current Windows, Mac, and Linux. Its installation/live CD is free without caveat, and runs for 30 minutes at a time, as many times as you like. You may purchase MorphOS to remove the time limit. A particular weakness of MorphOS is its lack of support for wireless networking."

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Another weakness (4, Insightful)

twilight30 (84644) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277271)

... might be the price. Good luck, I guess.

Re:Another weakness (1, Troll)

rudy_wayne (414635) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277299)

runs for 30 minutes at a time . . . . . . .lack of support for wireless networking

Free crap is still crap.

Re:Another weakness (3, Funny)

digitig (1056110) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278119)

runs for 30 minutes at a time . . . . . . .lack of support for wireless networking

Free crap is still crap.

It's about the same as I'm getting from my latest Ubuntu installation. :(

Re:Another weakness (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40278273)

Liar.

"Because in any discussion involving Linux/FOSS, Burson Marsteller astroturfers have to plant a horror story about Linux. It's part of their contract.
Check back in on any of the past stories and you'll find the same thing - a barely tangential anecdote about how Linux was unusable for their sockpuppet because of some exaggerated flaw.
Best response is to ignore them, and to carry on using the very fine tools FOSS provides without financing the creeps who're destroying online tech discussion."

http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2906441&cid=40272709 [slashdot.org]

Re:Another weakness (0, Offtopic)

digitig (1056110) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278495)

Sorry to upset your cosy "FOSS is perfect so all criticism must be a lie" world, but it's true. When I boot it runs fine, but gradually slows down and hangs after about 20 minutes. It's still live -- if I move the mouse then the cursor will jump every couple of minutes -- but it's unusable. The REISUB trick sometimes works, but that's still a reboot. I've tried disabling Unity and switching to classic Gnome with no effects in the hope it was a video driver problem, but to no effect, so I'm still investigating. (The WiFi issue is just that it's a WinModem than I can't get working under Linux, but I've not put in much effort because the router is about a foot away so it's easier to use an Ethernet connection.)

Re:Another weakness (3, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278391)

Yup, that Free copy of Windows 7 on my last laptop was quite crap. Fixed it with a BSD install.

Re:Another weakness (4, Interesting)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277311)

Just for reader enjoyment, prices range from 49€ (Efika) to 111.11€ for PowerPC. That seems like a lot for an OS that can't even do wireless.

Re:Another weakness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277437)

"That can't even do wireless" is a dubious way of assessing its worth.

If most PPC systems still in use are desktops with no WiFi, it might simply not be worth porting a wireless stack for the few laptops or wireless-connected desktops that might buy it, but the rest of the system might be rock-solid. Or it might not -- lack of WiFi doesn't really say anything about it.

Re:Another weakness (2)

davydagger (2566757) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277587)

so we are going to pay money for a proprietary system only so we can put time and effort into porting wireless. its an indication its not feature complete. Is there any reason to go with morphOS over debian on PPC? Once you'd stated your willing to do code work, you might as well go with an open system. It will make your life as a coder easier(more straight coding, less "hacking"), and you'll get the same results, with less money effort.

Re:Another weakness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277829)

No, dumbass, he said it's not worth it for THEM to port it -- you just don't buy it if you need wireless. The other 90% who don't need wireless could try it, and IF it seems like a solid system, go ahead and buy it.

What it gets you that Debian doesn't is Amiga compatibility without emulation overhead.

Re:Another weakness (1)

LocalH (28506) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278189)

How is MorphOS providing full Amiga compatibility if not for emulation?

Re:Another weakness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40278493)

ABI translation.

Re:Another weakness (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278551)

So in other words, in your opinion, nobody ought to need both compatibility with Amiga applications and wireless networking.

Re:Another weakness (1, Interesting)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277795)

"That can't even do wireless" is a dubious way of assessing its worth.

If most PPC systems still in use are desktops with no WiFi, it might simply not be worth porting a wireless stack for the few laptops or wireless-connected desktops that might buy it, but the rest of the system might be rock-solid. Or it might not -- lack of WiFi doesn't really say anything about it.

Bullshit. It says it isn't ready to be sold for money. There is nothing dubious about that assessment. It means it is not complete and should not cost anything if they want to use people as beta testers. Hell, I have an old G4 tower that I connect via wireless. I'll bet a lot of people do the same. You're either astroturfing for them or just trolling.

Re:Another weakness (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40278017)

Neither astroturfing nor trolling. A certain feature being outside the spec doesn't say anything as to whether the festures in the spec are merely implemented and awaiting beta testing, or solidly tested and ready for production. Since I haven't used it, I don't know whether the rest of the OS is solid; not being a kneejerking ass prevents me from forming an opinion about it absent relevant evidence. How nice for you to be so unencumbered by logic.

Laptops need wifi, some desktops need wifi, and any OS for NEW hardware should support it, sure. This is an OS to run legacy (Apple PPC) hardware with even more legacy apps (Amiga) -- there are priorities other than wireless, and if it meets all those and you don't need WiFi, how is that not 'ready to be sold for money'? Was Windows not ready to be sold for money (back in the same timeframe as the apps this is meant to run)? It didn't support WiFi, either...

Yes, you should not buy it, because you need WiFi. Most people who've been computing long enough to have any legacy Amiga apps acquired the good sense to use ethernet for desktop PCs somewhere along the way, and for them it's not the problem you imagine it is. If they've got a business need to run Amiga apps, it seems worth some money to step up to newer, more replaceable hardware.

Re:Another weakness (4, Interesting)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278131)

Yep. It's as I thought. Troll. I never said I need wifi, I said I expected it as a feature of any OS that costs money. I use it on the old G4 out of convenience. Most of my boxen are connected via gig-ethernet. A very subtle troll though, so hats off to you for that.

Your attempt at using windows from bygone years as an example was weak though. This is 2012. Any OS that costs money should have wifi support. If it is beta that's fine. They shouldn't be charging for it then.

Re:Another weakness (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40278209)

This is 2012. Any OS that costs money should have wifi support.

How nice that you think so...

http://drdos.com/products/dr-dos/ [drdos.com]

http://www.ecomstation.com/ [ecomstation.com] does have limited WiFi support -- there's a number of old 802.11b chipsets supported. So maybe that doesn't count, but I'd hardly call that acceptable in 2012 -- FOR GENERAL-PURPOSE OSES FOR NEW HARDWARE.

Unfortunately for you, your thoughts != reality. Y'know, reality, where real businesses need to (or find it cheaper to) run real legacy apps from pre-WiFi times, in the same non-WiFi use cases for which the apps were originally developed. Where "OS for legacy apps" is a real thing, and has different requirements than for new desktop OSes.

Can you not conceive that the OS market is not one giant mass of identical requirements? If you can, why do you think WiFi should be the one thing that transcends such divisions? And no "because I say so", which is all I've heard from you so far, isn't a good answer.

Re:Another weakness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277913)

> If most PPC systems still in use are desktops with no WiFi,

The only PPC survivors i've seen hanging around are G5 towers, which Morphos doesn't support anyway.

Apple sold a shitload of iBooks and the like, but most probably have been dumpstered by now.

Re:Another weakness (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277999)

Apple sold a shitload of iBooks and the like, but most probably have been dumpstered by now.

I see quite a lot of them around actually but I am sure the owners are happy to be running macos on them, and linux is stil available for ppc.

Re:Another weakness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40278309)

I have trouble believing anyone is 'happy' using an iBook in this day and age. They were slow as shit even when they came out, and were abandoned by modern software years ago. They shipped with 256MB of RAM, and will only support 1.25GB if the owner bothered to upgrade. (That is, OS X swaps like crazy on a very slow drive.) Plus they had motherboard issues, the usual pre-magsafe power connector problems, and the batteries have all gone to shit by now.

Plus, the G4 chip was pretty pathetic in general, unless you were running Steve Jobs' custom Altavec benchmark. iBooks were badly outclassed by contemporary Pentium M laptops both in speed and battery life.

Re:Another weakness (2)

Angostura (703910) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278421)

My wife's pretty happy with her iBook running 10.5 and an old version of Office v.X - she doesn't use it regularly, but gives her what she needs when she's off at a conference or whatever.

Re:Another weakness (4, Funny)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278035)

If most PPC systems still in use are desktops with no WiFi,

My wife has a G4 MacBook Pro (maybe a Powerbook?) that was the last PPC laptop Apple made. She won't throw the thing out. It's got 10.5.8 I believe.

She runs Octave and AUTO on it for wave simulations and other PDE shit I don't understand (she's a mathematician). Python and believe it or not, Fortran (I guess a lot of fluid dynamics types use Fortran still for some reason).

I keep wanting to buy her a new laptop, but she always says she paid more than $5000 for that thing and won't give it up until it dies. I practically could have bought her a i7 gaming laptop for the price of all the new batteries I bought for that thing. Put Linux on it and she's got a numerical math monster. Maybe I'll go buy her a brand new Macbook Pro and switch them and hope she doesn't notice.

I am SO sick of having to look for old versions of XCODE and other software for PPC.

I have to admit though, the thing was built like a tank. It just keeps working and working and after a few hours you can grill a bratwurst on the keyboard, it gets so hot. It looks almost exactly like the new 17" Macbook Pro.

So my question: is this grounds for divorce? (just kidding hon'). I don't even think she likes OSX all that much. It's just because the thing was so expensive and it has worked and worked. How do I convince her to give it up without actually smashing it to bits?

Wait, I know. I'll tell her that new machines will let her watch Netflix.

Re:Another weakness (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40278111)

She runs Octave and AUTO on it for wave simulations and other PDE shit I don't understand (she's a mathematician). Python and believe it or not, Fortran (I guess a lot of fluid dynamics types use Fortran still for some reason).

Is she fat?

Re:Another weakness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40278317)

Like you wouldn't believe. And smelly too. And balding.

I'd still hit it.

Re:Another weakness (4, Informative)

semi-extrinsic (1997002) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278135)

Python and believe it or not, Fortran (I guess a lot of fluid dynamics types use Fortran still for some reason).

There are three reasons we still use Fortran in the CFD business. First, a lot of good old numerics code is written in Fortran, and interfacing between languages means overhead. (You see, we're the types that define and use onethird=1.0/3.0 if we have to divide by 3 more than 10 times in a tight loop since multiplication is faster than division, or loop over j in the outer and i in the inner loop because that's how arrays are stored...)

Second, for the type of stuff we normally do, Fortran is 10-20% faster than C and orders of magnitude faster than other languages. (C is faster at file I/O.) This is important when you measure runtimes in weeks. (With Python, the simulations I did for my thesis would literally take years.)

Third, there is still significant work by large companies to create even more efficient Fortran compilers (see Intel, PGI, NAG).

Re:Another weakness (2)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278531)

This is important when you measure runtimes in weeks.

That makes sense. When she goes out of town for a conference, she leaves me to occasionally look in on her simulations which are running for weeks and weeks on these HP workstations back in her "sewing room". Come to think of it, I've never seen her do any sewing in that room, so I'm not sure why we call it the sewing room. She also has me water the plants, which measure their runtime in months, if not years..

Re:Another weakness (2)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278351)

Actually its been ages since I've seen a PPC desktop (other than the old B&W G3 in my closest I'm thinking of building an AMD into because i can't think of anything else to do with it) but I still see quite a few of those old Macbooks around, they were hellishly popular and since they can be found cheap quite a few people have one.

So I'd say not having Wireless on the G4 macbooks? yeah that could be a serious problem. Of course all the G4 Macbooks i've seen have been running the last version of OSX released for G4s (Jaguar? Panther? hell if I can remember) so maybe that's not their target audience anyway. Frankly other than niche appeal I don't really see why you'd want a PPC desktop, the X86 chips now are so insanely overpowered they'd slaughter those things while using less power to boot. hell that's why I'm probably gonna trash the B&W and put an AMD board in it, really can't find a use for a PPC at the shop but I hate to throw away such a beautiful case. No matter what you thought of Apple then they did make some damned pretty hardware, real art.

Re:Another weakness (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277489)

pay more for the OS than the obsolete computer is worth.

what's wrong with running debian on these things?

Re:Another weakness (5, Insightful)

Anubis IV (1279820) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277511)

Seriously. I have an old PowerBook G4 that I still use on a weekly basis to run a particular piece of old software, but I thought it might be fun to fool around with a different OS for a few bucks. At €111.11, it's well beyond the "let's have some fun with something different" range.

Re:Another weakness (4, Funny)

PeterKraus (1244558) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277709)

Well, you can still try it for half an hour at a time...

Should be long enough to boot it, eh? :P

Re:Another weakness (5, Insightful)

Dexter Herbivore (1322345) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277389)

2 words - Why bother? Alternatively just one word - Why?

Re:Another weakness (5, Informative)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277783)

What the summary fails to mention is that MorphOS grew out of AmigaOS and can run a lot of Amiga software. People who like Amiga software find it useful to continue running it on hardware that can still be maintained to some degree, which has built in ethernet and USB ports - all stuff the original Amigas lacked.

Re:Another weakness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40278453)

An operating system that only runs on ancient hardware to run software for a defunct operating system for even older hardware.

These gentlemen have my respect, their geekdom is deep and broad, but I would poke my eyes out before I spent time and money on something even more arcane, and less useful, than a free Linux that will run everything I need.
 

Re:Another weakness (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277545)

Weirder still, its like 30 euro more on a Powerbook than a desktop, and yet without wireless networking, its far less useful on a Powerbook than on a desktop!

I'm a big Amiga fan, still run one for nostalgia gaming sake, but MorphOS is crap developed by arrogant krauts.

Re:Another weakness (4, Insightful)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277667)

Yes, if it was free or at least very cheap people might consider using it, but at 111 euros? That's more than the price of OSX or many versions of Windows...
And being such a niche product, i doubt it will even tempt anyone to release a cracked version.

Creating a niche OS that only runs on obsolete hardware, and costs more than that hardware itself does? That seems to be an extremely poor business model...

If it was free or dirt cheap, people might be tempted in it to breathe new life into old hardware... But at that price, you might as well just buy some newer more capable hardware.

As for the lack of wireless support, the changelog for 3.0 cites one of the biggest new features as "PowerBook support for 1.67GHz models"... So a laptop with built in wifi, but you can't use wireless on it?

Re:Another weakness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40278071)

The only version of Windows thats cheaper than 111 euro is an upgrade, OEM or subsidized educational license. You cannot, generally speaking, legally buy Windows for the PC you just built for cheaper.

Re:Another weakness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40278179)

Hey idiot, the "OEM" license is intended for the PC you just built. As long as you never call them for support, they don't care.

They seem to use that word a lot. (5, Interesting)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277283)

free without caveat, and runs for 30 minutes at a time

Either "free without caveat" or "runs for 30 minutes at a time" does not mean what I think it means.

Re:They seem to use that word a lot. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277319)

It runs for 30 minutes at full speed. However, once that magical time limit is set, they then set the maximum CPU utilization to below 100% (but I can't remember what the lower level is off the top of my head).

Re:They seem to use that word a lot. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277425)

free without caveat, and runs for 30 minutes at a time

Either "free without caveat" or "runs for 30 minutes at a time" does not mean what I think it means.

Let me translate that for you: its like windows but free

Re:They seem to use that word a lot. (1)

david.given (6740) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277427)

The website lies by omission: the only reference I can find to the fact that it's a commercial product is one mention of a 'free trial version'. Very sleazy.

AFAICT this is just an AmigaOS clone, anyway. Is it just a rebranded AROS?

Re:They seem to use that word a lot. (1)

araneus (1712914) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277547)

It is not a rebranded AROS. It looks like it is using some bits from AROS but is really an Amiga operating system for PowerPC.

So what you're saying is... (1)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277303)

... it's not as good as Linux and you have to pay for it?

I wonder how the PPC port of Haiku is doing?

Re:So what you're saying is... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277369)

... it's not as good as Linux and you have to pay for it?

Who do they think they are? Microsoft?

Re:So what you're saying is... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40278589)

As if Linux beats Windows in every area.

Re:So what you're saying is... (2)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277441)

It's still in development (but then, it is still ongoing and not dead).

BSD and Linux run fine on PPC macs.

Debian/Ubuntu PPC are alive and well (4, Informative)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277327)

The Debian [debian.org] and Ubuntu [ubuntu.com] PowerPC ports are alive and well. Main lack for modern use is Flash. But I long dual-booted Ubuntu PPC on a G3/G4. A more reliable DVD burner than Mac OS X 10.4, and wider hardware support.

Re:Debian/Ubuntu PPC are alive and well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277355)

Main lack for modern use is Flash.

I don't understand that statement.

Sounds like a feature to me.

Re:Debian/Ubuntu PPC are alive and well (1)

hobarrera (2008506) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277439)

How is the lack of flash something bad? Now that youtube supports HTML5, there's no need for flash, unless your job demands it.

Re:Debian/Ubuntu PPC are alive and well (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277575)

I'm sure HTML5 is dog slow on a PPC mac no matter what OS is installed.

Re:Debian/Ubuntu PPC are alive and well (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40278311)

Actually it does HTML5 video just fine on my PowerBook G4 running MorphOS 3.0.

Re:Debian/Ubuntu PPC are alive and well (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277837)

Now that youtube supports HTML5, there's no need for flash

RIght, because Flash was invented specifically for YouTube and has never been used by any other website ever. It especially hasn't ever been used for non-video things, like games, vector animation, etc.

Re:Debian/Ubuntu PPC are alive and well (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277501)

The lack of Flash is why my PPC Mac Mini is still running some ungodly useless version of OS X. I mean the machine runs and it does shit just fine but I'd really like to have more use for the machine than simply being a paperweight.

At first I was excited to read this, thinking I could use it again, but then I realized I already have a Roku for my media and I really have no use for the old Mac Mini anyway. Then I saw the price and said, "oh right I don't care at all."

Re:Debian/Ubuntu PPC are alive and well (1)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277669)

My 5yo daughter has an ancient Mac G4, with Apple Cinema Display (with the funky plug that doesn't fit any known standard, so I can't just reuse the display on a sensible computer), as her very own. She watches television and plays Flash games on it. Mac OS X 10.4, Firefox 3.something, Flash some obsolete version. It's only Flash - the one thing she really uses it for - that keeps me from Ubuntuing it. Failing that, the current upgrade plan is to pay £25 for a 19" LCD and get someone's discarded P4 and she could have a box that runs at twice the speed.

Re:Debian/Ubuntu PPC are alive and well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277961)

FYI, the funky plug is power+dvi in the same jack, and adapters exist. Reuse! :D

Re:Debian/Ubuntu PPC are alive and well (1)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278193)

Adapters exist to attach normal monitors to a Mac, but not to attach these monitors to a normal PC - the "adapter" has to power the monitor as well, so cost more than a new monitor would.

Re:Debian/Ubuntu PPC are alive and well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40278215)

The ADC displays require an active adapter which costs about $100. Probably not worth it for something that old.

Re:Debian/Ubuntu PPC are alive and well (1)

davydagger (2566757) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277627)

but there is gnash, which works supprisingly well. does morphOS have an official gnash port, or will it need to be ported. Hrmm, doing free work for a propreiatary operating system. when you use the terms "obscure, obsolete, or arcane hardware", and "support modern relatively mainstream software", debian comes to mind. If your using something else, you should at least compare it to debian,

Re:Debian/Ubuntu PPC are alive and well (1)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277675)

It's my 5yo daughter's computer. Flash is pretty much what she uses it for (BBC CBeebies television and games, YouTube, assorted Flash games) and Gnash isn't yet up to the demanding needs of a five year old.

Re:Debian/Ubuntu PPC are alive and well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40278233)

There's swfdec based flash plugin. It plays youtube, but you can forget any modern stuff. HTML5 is much better anyway.

FreeBSD (3, Informative)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277695)

Also has a PPC edition, as does NetBSD.

Re:FreeBSD (0)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277927)

Yeah. It's entirely unclear why anyone would bother with this MorphOS thing.

Re:FreeBSD (1)

realityimpaired (1668397) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278463)

Amiga support, presumably. Includes a "native" emulator for 68k Amiga hardware, too. Just in case you want to play Fire and Ice on your G4 laptop, I guess.

Re:FreeBSD (4, Insightful)

damnbunni (1215350) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278477)

In my experience as a Certified Amiga Nut, most users of MorphOS are Amiga nuts who are pissed off with Amiga, Inc's mishandling of the IP, or are pissed at Hyperion Entertainment, so they won't use AmigaOS 4.1, or else they really want a PPC Amiga laptop (as opposed to just running WinUAE on a PC laptop, and getting excellent 68040-based Amiga compatibility.)

It's a niche of a niche.

Re:Debian/Ubuntu PPC are alive and well (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278001)

Also there is still Yellow Dog Linux, which has always been exclusively for PowerPC systems.

I really don't get a reason (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277333)

for the existance of this thing.

No real point (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277343)

If you are running old hardware like this, its most likely because you either cant afford to upgrade, so having to buy this is a show stopper, or you need specific support for something, which you would lose even if it was free.

If you just like old stuff, ( many do ) there are free alternatives still, so again, why would i pay?

And what sort of desktop environment in 2012 doesn't support wireless in some manner? wtf?

Miss Amiga? Try DragonFly! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277345)

Re:Miss Amiga? Try DragonFly! (1)

Lisias (447563) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277637)

Why "-1 troll"?

Dragonfly BSD really appears to be a viable alternative to MorphOS.

Knowing nothing about both cases, I would moderate parent as "+1 Informative". Not liking the information does not justifies "trolling" it. :-(

Re:Miss Amiga? Try DragonFly! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277705)

Why is this modded down. DragonFly BSD is developed by prominent Amiga sceners. MorphOS is just commercial garbage.

What is the market for this? (4, Funny)

Jeremi (14640) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277365)

It seems to be aimed at Amiga enthusiasts/nostalgists who no longer have any actual Amiga hardware, but do happen to have some old PowerPC Mac hardware around, and want to run their old Amiga software on that rather than under UAE, and are willing to shell out a fair amount of cash to do so.

Seems likely to be a rather small market.

Re:What is the market for this? (1)

Auroch (1403671) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277415)

It seems to be aimed at Amiga enthusiasts/nostalgists who no longer have any actual Amiga hardware, but do happen to have some old PowerPC Mac hardware around, and want to run their old Amiga software on that rather than under UAE, and are willing to shell out a fair amount of cash to do so.

Seems likely to be a rather small market.

Take a look at their support page. If you don't like the way something is done, they are very clear that YOU (the user) are WRONG. It's obviously run by a bunch of engineers ... so take that into account when using MorphOS.

Tip: If you want "support" for an OS that is made primarily by engineers ... just use linux. It'll cost less, there are more people using it, and you're much less likely to run across a stuck-up engineer that can't let go of "his baby" when looking for help.

Re:What is the market for this? (1)

Trepidity (597) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277521)

It started in the late 1990s as part of a project to make an Amiga-compatible and possibly Amiga-flavored operating system available on newer hardware, with some companies expressing an interest in putting out some kind of dedicated MorphOS-based box. Some overlap in ideas with the BeBox, which also hoped to target an audience that wanted something other than a PC or Mac, around the same time.

This retargeting towards people who want to repurpose their old PPC hardware seems like a bit of a last gasp.

What is the market for this?-Amigaforever. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277719)

Amigaforever is likewise not free and for a niche market. Not necessarily a bad thing if one believes in the platform.

I would say.. (5, Insightful)

gallondr00nk (868673) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277391)

free without caveat

only being able to use the free version for 30 minutes at a time is a pretty fucking large caveat.

Why not just put it in the body... (3, Insightful)

anlprb (130123) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277405)

It is Amiga compatible for those who don't know.

Re:Why not just put it in the body... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277673)

It is Amiga compatible for those who don't know.

Will it run 68000 executables?

Re:Why not just put it in the body... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277807)

Through a fairly poor emulation layer. UAE is faster and generally more compatible.

Re:Why not just put it in the body... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40278333)

Yes it does. It's much faster than UAE, too. It can reach 70% of the native CPU performance while running the 68000 code (this was tested with 68k dnetc vs PowerPC dnetc). So in effect it's like running your code on a 1GHz 68060...

Re:Why not just put it in the body... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277685)

The whole blurb, including the "ultimate nagware" tagline seems designed to dissuade anyone from taking a look at what this thing is. Which is basically a fork of AmigaOS, and contrary to what is insinuated has merits and some concepts the "modern" OSes can only dream of (such as UI responsiveness being a fundamental design feature that already worked on a 7 MHz '16 bit' CPU of three decades ago).

A lot of people (unconsciously or not) still feel threatened by the Amiga. It's interesting to see how the revisionism of history and denial of the Amiga's existence and what it represented evolves, if it were only not for these pesky hobbyists who are still hacking at it. After all, you cannot learn from history if it's not even there to learn from...

Re:Why not just put it in the body... (1, Insightful)

MrHanky (141717) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278069)

A lot of people (unconsciously or not) still feel threatened by the Amiga. It's interesting to see how the revisionism of history and denial of the Amiga's existence and what it represented evolves, if it were only not for these pesky hobbyists who are still hacking at it. After all, you cannot learn from history if it's not even there to learn from...

No, not denial of the Amiga's existence. People just want to forget about the annoying cult that made Apple evangelists seem like resonable people in comparison.

Apps? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277409)

As if the price and the missing wireless aren't enough, it also seems to me it uses its own custom API. If this thing does not support a common API (like POSIX) how will you ever get a serious number of apps running on it? Again, something a free Linux distro can do better.

Facepalm (4, Insightful)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277463)

Again one of those websites which are sprinkled with links having only the text "here" or "this page". Go there, see here, this, that, everywhere. You don't as quickly see where the links are pointing, and it kind of feels like pushing the reader around. Just for a comparison...

For installation instructions, please go here [morphos-team.net] . The free trial version is available for download on this page [morphos-team.net] .

To get started, please view the installation instructions [morphos-team.net] . The free trial version is available for download [morphos-team.net] .

So much nicer to read.

Re:Facepalm (4, Funny)

pegasustonans (589396) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277655)

Again one of those websites which are sprinkled with links having only the text "here" or "this page". Go there, see here, this, that, everywhere. You don't as quickly see where the links are pointing, and it kind of feels like pushing the reader around. Just for a comparison...

Website wording aside...

Why not just go here [ubuntu.com] ?

Re:Facepalm (1)

Wattos (2268108) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277879)

Again one of those websites which are sprinkled with links having only the text "here" or "this page". Go there, see here, this, that, everywhere. You don't as quickly see where the links are pointing, and it kind of feels like pushing the reader around. Just for a comparison...

For installation instructions, please go here [morphos-team.net] . The free trial version is available for download on this page [morphos-team.net] .

To get started, please view the installation instructions [morphos-team.net] . The free trial version is available for download [morphos-team.net] .

So much nicer to read.

Totally agree. Also makes the site more accessible as visually impaired users may iterate over hyperlinks only.

Re:Facepalm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40278167)

And better SEO too

For eMacs (1)

jcfandino (2196932) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277639)

But, does it come with a good text editor?

Re:For eMacs (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278027)

Not even emacs comes with a good text editor.

What better/free alternative is there ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277657)

YellowDog Linux, that's it ?

Owner of a 8 years old, but still in good shape, Aluminium PowerBook 15'', I have been wondering what else I can run on the beast instead of a buggy and quickly deprecating Leopard.

It would be a pity to throw away a good piece of hardware because Java 1.6 and recent OSX API are not supported.

Re:What better/free alternative is there ? (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277797)

I feel ya. I have a perfectly fine G4 mac mini sitting in the closet. Im the only one in my family that can actually use it because it is deprecated on the modern web. As a standalone computer, it is perfectly viable.

Re:What better/free alternative is there ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277891)

I se a G4 Mac Mini for a file server and web server. They seem to be really reliable, small, quiet machines. They even run Linux just fine. And as long as you aren't trying to use them for daily workstation, they are pretty great!

Re:What better/free alternative is there ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40278327)

Ditto. A mac mini with dual Firewire disks a RAID-1 running Debian makes a decent mail/file/web server and draws around 25 Watts.

Source or gtfo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40277687)

Proprietary shit.
Source or gtfo!

So... (1)

Sfing_ter (99478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40277907)

MorphOS is a nice-looking, low-resource, and nimble OS that can't match the capabilities of current Windows, Mac, and Linux.

So, it's like OS 9.6?

Open source? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278009)

I would love to kow how much open source code there is in this thing. It could easily be FreeBSD, but the I suppose wifi wold work.

Re:Open source? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40278285)

You can easily download the ISO file, mount it and look into Docs directory.

Here's what Docs/Licenses.txt says:

This ISO contains software governed by various licenses (where applicable
sources should be available through public websites or by request), some
of those are the following:

      Ambient - GPL
      Apdf - GPL
      Sputnik - various, see Applications/Sputnik/LICENSES
      OWB - various, see Applications/OWB/OWB.readme
      OpenSSH - various, see Applications/RemoteShell/Files/Licenses
      Kryptos - TrueCrypt License Version 2.6, Applications/Kryptos/Licence

      MacFileSystem - GPL

      ahi.device - LGPL

      avcodec.library - LGPL
      avformat.library - LGPL
      freetype.library - FTL
      icon.library - GPL (with exception to allow non-GPL linking)
      iconv.library - LGPL
      ixemul.library - LGPL
      ixnet.library - LGPL
      wbstart.library - GPL (with exception to allow non-GPL linking)
      workbench.library - GPL (with exception to allow non-GPL linking)
      xadmaster.library - LGPL
      xpkmaster.library - GPL

      AddAudioModes - GPL
      XADUnFile - LGPL
      XADUnTar - LGPL
      XADUnDisk - LGPL
      Exe2Arc - LGPL
      XADList - LGPL
      XADLibInfo - LGPL
      XAD2LhA - LGPL

) might not be included in each MorphOS release

      Liberation fonts - GPL + Font exception (see Licenses/LIBERATION)
      Other fonts - Public Domain or embedded license (view with
                                            FTManager)

MysticView and its library dependencies (guigfx/mysticview/render) are
included with the kind permission of Timm S. Mller, and are also
available from his homepage with a BSDish license.

Many components are fully, or partially under the AROS Public License,
these should be identifiable through the notice in their version-info,
some of those are also embedded in the boot.img, and are mentioned here
for convenience:

      dos.library
      gadtools.library
      intuition.library

For further information see 'Docs/Licenses' on the MorphOS CD.

What a terrible website (1)

Zontar_Thing_From_Ve (949321) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278537)

Thank God I no longer have anything that runs PPC, but being a curious geek I took a look at their website. After some minutes of poking around I wasn't able to find any place that had a price to buy it. I'm certainly not going to buy it as I don't have anything that can use it, but the fact that I couldn't find any place on the website that told how much it cost convinced me that these guys really don't need any money.

meh (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278545)

I have a old 603e machine, so I am not going to purchase another OS for it, already bought 9.22 and 10.2 and had to use patches and installers to get those working but this thing is not giving me any compelling reason to even think about it.

I click features and get a buglist of crap thats been fixed, those are not features... Whats the system requirements? I know almost all non mainstream OS's, linux included think its passe to list a fucking system requirement like ram of CPU but its usually not buried deeply.

The overview finally lists some features, ground breaking shit like a GUI skin and USB drive support, but what about the programs I already use and want, whats the package manager, how hard is it to get software working, how big are the repositories ... great you have a fucking text editor, should I applaud?

Nevermind you actually want me to PAY for an OS with little to no software, no wireless, and "can't match the capabilities of current Windows, Mac, and Linux" ... why the fuck not? I downloaded the latest and greatest debian for free and my 1997 300Mhz 256Mb Powermac9600 runs the current capabilities of linux reasonably well

Pessimistic subject much? (4, Insightful)

cgenman (325138) | more than 2 years ago | (#40278623)

This is the most unnecessarily pessimistic summary that I've ever seen. It should be: "Oh look, this experimental Amiga based OS has just updated! Isn't that kitchy and fun?"

Why focus on the lack of wireless networking, running on Power PC (Which still deserves respect as an amazing processor you witless bastard kids), or having a cost of about 1/20th of a computer? It's a custom kernel underdog operating system written for unique and impressive platform. If that doesn't get your juices rolling, turn in your geek card.

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