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Apple News From WWDC and iPhone 5 Rumors

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the latest-and-greatest dept.

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First time accepted submitter zer0point writes "Apple has just announced the next-generation Macbook Pro with a retina display. Starting today you can also order a MacBook Pro upgraded with Ivy Bridge CPUs, and Nvidia graphics. Mountain Lion got some various updates, and as expected iOS 6 was announced. In rumor news, KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo wrote in a note to investors, 'Based on the release schedule for iOS 6 GM, there is a very good chance iPhone 5 will start shipping also in early September.'"

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So what? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40286893)

Yawn,

Re:So what? (5, Funny)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 2 years ago | (#40286905)

or vagina.

Re:So what? (4, Funny)

Dan East (318230) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287127)

Someone is going to come across your comment a few years down the road, and the context of your joke will be completely lost. Dear future reader: sorry, but I'm not going to fill you in on this joke either. We'll just have to see how good your google skills are (is google still around?).

Re:So what? (5, Informative)

Iniamyen (2440798) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287191)

Here [geekwire.com] , future reader. Although the link will probably be broken 10 minutes after this post.

Re:So what? (5, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287207)

Somebody is going to come across this whole friggin web site, sit down and go

What the Holy Hell was exactly going on at that time?

No wonder the whole civilization collapsed.

So lighten up.

Re:So what? (4, Funny)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287555)

"Granddad, why did western civilization collapse?"

"Well kid, let me tell you about kdawson..."

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287249)

Sigh. that joke was lost on me and I read both articles pretty close together.

Re:So what? (0, Redundant)

tom17 (659054) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287481)

Then you will get even more confused when it becomes a new internet meme and you just sit there in confusion every time you see it.

That, or vagina.

Re:So what? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287547)

or vagina!

Also announced... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40286939)

...the new iDolt [leasticoulddo.com]

More Rumors (4, Funny)

Lord Lode (1290856) | more than 2 years ago | (#40286941)

In 2013 the iPhone 6 will be released, and in 2014 the iPhone 7.

Re:More Rumors (5, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 2 years ago | (#40286949)

In 2013 the iPhone 6 will be released, and in 2014 the iPhone 7.

You must be using the new & improved Crystal Ball app included in iOS 6! That's amazing!

Re:More Rumors (4, Interesting)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287107)

Personally, I don't think Apple will let a numeric inconsistency like "iPhone 5 released with iOS 6" stand. They'll either bump it up to be the iPhone 6, or just stop numbering them like the iPad, and call it the 2012 model iPhone. They don't do it for their other products, after all.

Re:More Rumors (4, Informative)

Anubis IV (1279820) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287315)

Personally, I don't think Apple will let a numeric inconsistency like "iPhone 5 released with iOS 6" stand.

They let the iPhone 3G come out with iOS 2 and the 4S ship with iOS 5. That said, I do agree that they're likely to simply drop the numbering.

Re:More Rumors (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287497)

You're right, the year numbers are way off. Apple will redesign the calendar system in iOS 8 to end the usage of our current year numbers and start over using the release date of the original iPhone as the start of year one, and each numbered iPhone release marking the new year. As the fourth year comes to a close, I look forward to the impending simplification of our dates.

Re:More Rumors (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287713)

That solves so many problems.

ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) la (0)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#40286961)

Ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) laptop.

Face it wifi is not all over the place and Ethernet is faster, has more security, work better in some places, ect.

I was just in a hotel with in room cable modems hooked to the tv system with Ethernet and Poor wifi in room.

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (2)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287019)

People that already carry a ethernet wire are really not going to have a problem carrying a dongle too. I love wired , I jsut finished wiring up my house for ethernet, but this move makes sense for the people that arent us.

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (4, Insightful)

Ardeaem (625311) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287059)

Ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) laptop.

Face it wifi is not all over the place and Ethernet is faster, has more security, work better in some places, ect.

I was just in a hotel with in room cable modems hooked to the tv system with Ethernet and Poor wifi in room.

Yes, added cost, but consider that you're buying with that extra cost a thinner laptop (because it didn't have to be included) and the option of NOT carrying it around. I've found that I almost never need either the display adapter or the ethernet adapter, so I don't have to carry them around if I don't need them (I have an Air). For me, the thinness is worth it. You could just as easily say that the base model, with no dongle, gives people who don't need the dongle(s) the opportunity to buy a slightly cheaper Macbook - thus, it is a price discount for them, rather than an extra cost for us.

Not everyone likes this, of course, but that's why you have the option of buying other notebooks.

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (2)

imemyself (757318) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287129)

Realistically though, I have a feeling that a Thunderbolt NIC dongle costs quite a bit more than it would cost to put the NIC on the motherboard.

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (2)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287311)

Realistically though, I have a feeling that a Thunderbolt NIC dongle costs quite a bit more than it would cost to put the NIC on the motherboard.

What's worse is you'll probably want to buy two of them, one for that connection that you're always plugged into (i.e. work or home) then the second one for when you're oot and aboot somewhere.

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287521)

Thunderbolt? Did I miss something? Is a USB dongle [apple.com] which you can buy new for $30 not fast enough?

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (4, Informative)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287597)

On the store now. $29.

That's hardly going to break the budget for a top of the line $2,199 laptop buyer.

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (2)

Dynedain (141758) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287723)

The physical parts may cost less to put the NIC on the motherboard, but in something as space-tight as the MacBook Pro, the space savings probably outweigh it.

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (-1)

Moheeheeko (1682914) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287153)

That would make sense, if the laptop with less very useful things were cheaper (its not).

B-B-B-but....ITS A FEATURE!

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (1, Insightful)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287173)

Your argument is flawed. The argument was that the added value of a thinner computer outweighs the value of the ethernet port and the cost of the adapter for a lot of users. Just because it doesn't fit your use-case perfectly doesn't mean it's useless.

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287193)

Apple Defence Force, ASEEEMBLEEEE!!!!!

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287263)

Autistic Apple-Hating Troll Force, ASEEEMBLEEEEE!!!!!

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287639)

By that argument, we'd all still be limited on laptop size by the volume of a 3.5" floppy drive. Even though few people use them any more.

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (2, Insightful)

Solandri (704621) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287649)

Yes, added cost, but consider that you're buying with that extra cost a thinner laptop (because it didn't have to be included) and the option of NOT carrying it around. I've found that I almost never need either the display adapter or the ethernet adapter, so I don't have to carry them around if I don't need them (I have an Air).

The cost of an ethernet or display dongle and the cost of carrying around a built-in versions, pales in comparison to the cost of not having the port or dongle when you need it. We had a convention recently and one of the presenters forgot to bring his display dongle for his Mac. We spent a few minutes scrounging around for one while someone worked on copying his presentation over to a PC. 3 minutes * 150 guests = a cumulative 7.5 hours of wasted time. (And for you Mac fans who don't like how I'm counting time, it's how Steve Jobs thought of saving time [folklore.org] .)

For me, the thinness is worth it.

That's the problem. People are starting to think of laptops as fashion statements foremost, rather than as tools. It's fine to want good aesthetics (a good-looking laptop is nicer than a bad-looking one), but one should never give up functionality for the sole purpose of aesthetics. If you're never going to present or plug in, then there's no problem. Any costs associated with forgotten dongles or lack of ports are yours to bear alone. But if you do stuff which might ever externalize that cost, you need to factor that into your decision of functionality vs. aesthetics. (For our part, we're going to have to buy a Mac video dongle for the projector to make sure this doesn't happen again. We're paying for the Mac users' aesthetic tastes. But at least it's damn cheaper than making 150 people wait.)

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (5, Insightful)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287069)

I'll take an ethernet dongle and smile if it's attached to a 15.4" laptop with a 2880x1800 screen.

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287397)

all this talk about dongles and inches...

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287439)

or vagina

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287493)

I dont get the drooling over Retina Display. Unless you are a graphics professional, i just dont see the use-case for it.

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (5, Funny)

NatasRevol (731260) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287607)

640x480 is enough for anyone.

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287659)

You probably need to see a retina display alongside a standard one to appreciate it.

It certainly makes more sense than HDTV does.

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287677)

Then you're not very bright.

Higher pixel density displays afford cleaner, smoother fonts and images (assuming the apps and media used with it utilise the extra pixels). You might have to be a 'graphics professional' to fully utilise a retina display, but you don't have to be one to appreciate it.

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287587)

Of course Apple paired it with a mid to low end budget GPU from nvidia.

ITS JOBSTASTIC AT ONLY $2k+

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287121)

Apple has been selling the Airport Express for years now, exactly for situations such as these.

It's a complete 802.11n base station that's about the same size as an Apple laptop power brick.

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287183)

Not dongles, adapters. Thunderbolt literally extends PCIExpress to outside the chassis. Inside the dongle will be the same chip that they would have put on the motherboard (Or very similar) - And that motherboard is crowded! Did you see the pictures? Anything that wasn't black chip surface was black battery casing. Why not take some of your least used ports and put them outside, with no performance penalty? If you don't want the thunderbolt one I imagine you could pick up a 3rd party USB adapter.. But I imagine the thunderbolt version will be faster and better supported.

Hell, I'd like thunderbolt on my desktop system. Plugging in a firewire dongle beats the hell out of cracking open the chassis to plug in an addon card. (Does anyone else want a PCI express x1 breakout box that plugs in to a thunderbolt port? That sounds awesome.)

Firewire doesn't suprise me, but ethernet is usually a given standard. Though I imagine Ethernet is mostly a fallback for notebooks nowadays. Plugging your battery powered device in to something anchored to a switch, or a wall socket, doesn't seem particularly helpful.

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (3, Insightful)

samkass (174571) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287309)

Ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) laptop.

Face it wifi is not all over the place and Ethernet is faster, has more security, work better in some places, ect.

I was just in a hotel with in room cable modems hooked to the tv system with Ethernet and Poor wifi in room.

I don't know too many frequent travelers that don't carry around an AirPort Express or other pocket-sized wi-fi device of their own for those hotels that either haven't or can't upgrade to pervasive wi-fi. Your hotel Ethernet is not going to be "faster, more secure, or work better" than if it was plugged into an AirPort Express anyway.

For lab use, you probably wouldn't get the dongle but rather the whole docking station and connect the monitors, ethernet, keyboard, mouse, everything via that one port.

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (1)

Iniamyen (2440798) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287327)

Face it wifi is not all over the place and Ethernet is faster, has more security, work better in some places, ect.

I'm gonna go with more reliable.

Re:ethernet dongles (likely at added cost on $2k+) (5, Insightful)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287347)

WiFi isn't everywhere. But it's at a hell of a lot more places than ethernet. Last time I used ethernet was 2009.

Are you saying that Laptop should be held up thickness wise, at the point where the body can accomodate an RJ45?

The minority of people that are still ufing ethernet for laptops need to carry an ethernet cable with them anyway. It's no hardship to them to take a cable with a dongle in instead. Meanwhile the majority who use WiFi now get a better laptop.

New Mac Pro Too! (-1, Troll)

busyqth (2566075) | more than 2 years ago | (#40286971)

You forgot to mention the new Mac Pro.
It's a Macbook Air stuck inside a big metal tower!
No one has ever done anything like that before! Apple ROCKS!

no 17" laptop??? (1, Insightful)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#40286983)

People do need bigger screens and have walk round with a laptop + display is a hard and you need to power that display as well.

Re:no 17" laptop??? (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287463)

The technology presumably isn't ready for an affordable 17" retina display this year.

And having a 17" with a significantly lower resolution than the 15" wouldn't make for a rational product line.

Expect 17" with retina display to be next year's flagship product. In the mean-time, anyone who really needs a current-as-of-yesterday resolution 17" MBP will no doubt find some vendor with them still in stock at a discount.

OMG OMG OMG OMG (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287047)

You mean a product that is released every year is going to be released again this year? This is very exciting and unexpected news.

Re:OMG OMG OMG OMG (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287287)

You mean a product that is released every year is going to be released again this year? This is very exciting and unexpected news.

You must be new here.

Re:OMG OMG OMG OMG (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287377)

Yes, some people may have speculated that there would a product released some time in the future, but no one knew that it was going to be a phone or that it would be called "iPhone 5". It is interesting because the name may refer to either the phone's capabilities or the perception that Apple is going for. Now the bloggosphere will be atwitter with speculations about what the "5" means.

Re:OMG OMG OMG OMG (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287443)

Yeah, but haven't you heard? The shape might be slightly different this year!

Re:OMG OMG OMG OMG (1)

MalachiK (1944624) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287501)

I heard that it was going to be transparent... and shoot laser beams.

Thank You Very Much ( Score: -10, Distracting ) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287061)

the infomercial.

You may now return to more news stolen from Y Combinator News [slashdot.org] .

Yours In Minsk,
K. Trout, C.I.O.

Nice specs...but.... (4, Insightful)

erp_consultant (2614861) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287081)

I don't like the idea of having proprietary SSD chips built on the motherboard. It makes it impossible to upgrade. I prefer the 2009 vintage MacBook Pro that I'm using now. I can upgrade the RAM and/or HD (which I've done). I can take out the optical drive and put in an SSD for the OS and keep the other HD for files (which I've also done). Too bad I can't put more than 8GB of memory in it though. Not everyone will choose to do what I've done but the point is that you have the choice. The current generation of MacBooks take those options away from you. The good news is that my MBP is still running like a champ and probably won't have to be replaced any time soon. The bad new is that it's probably the last MBP that I'll buy. It's the same reason I switched from an iPhone to an Android. There is no way to expand the storage on the iPhone. With the Android I just pop in another SD card.

Re:Nice specs...but.... (2)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287189)

I don't like the idea of having proprietary SSD chips built on the motherboard. It makes it impossible to upgrade.

If it's like the Air, they are not soldered to the motherboard, they are on a small (proprietary) daughtercard. So it's not impossible to upgrade, just annoying and expensive. I guess that's the trade off for a 0.7" thick, 4.5lb laptop... no one buys Macbooks for their low price and ease of upgrade...

Re:Nice specs...but.... (0)

boristdog (133725) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287671)

I'll admit that a thin, light laptop is really freakin' awesome for transport, but Apple isn't the only one that has them, though they do a great job of making people think they do.

Two years ago I bought a Dell Vostro 13.5" notebook for $350 (brand new - $30% off sale on model being phased out) that is made of aluminum, is 0.65 inches thick and weighs about 3.9 lbs. Has all the usual ports, too, just no CD/DVD.

  Don't know why, but Dell decided to make the next model that replaced it slightly thicker and heavier. Maybe Apple paid them off?

But hell, pay a few grand for a light notebook if it makes you happy.

Re:Nice specs...but.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287277)

Welcome to Apple. They've perfected forced obsolescence.

Re:Nice specs...but.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287303)

I don't like the idea of having proprietary SSD chips built on the motherboard. It makes it impossible to upgrade.

The you will love the new MacBook Pro because the SSD aren't built into the motherboard at all.

Re:Nice specs...but.... (4, Informative)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287305)

Mac's hold their value so well that its better to sell and buy a new Mac than to keep and treasure a computer for many years and upgrade it

Re:Nice specs...but.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287343)

I'm posting anonymously due to having already moderated on this thread. I figured I'd better respond rather than down-modding you ;-)

As I just noticed a sibling has mentioned to you, you can buy SSD upgrades for the MacBook Air, and I have to assume you'll be able to do the same for the new MacBook Pro. Check out http://www.macsales.com if you care.

Also, you don't seem to realize that Apple is STILL SELLING the existing MacBook Pro. This is a brilliant move that lets people like you continue to upgrade to big bulky legacy models as long as you bother to learn that that options is still available. Apple can use this to gauge market interest on the old vs. new models and tailor future products accordingly.

Like you, I've also replaced my 2012 MacBook Pro optical drive with an SSD. Unlike you, I would absolutely, 100%, have bought this new model if it was available a year ago.

Re:Nice specs...but.... (1)

Algae_94 (2017070) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287487)

It seems we are well into a new era where miniaturization is being done via use of proprietary components and non serviceable products. This works great for products that are just bought by non techie consumers, but people that would like to upgrade their components rather than throw the whole thing away are out of luck.

Re:Nice specs...but.... (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287531)

If you need 16GB of memory, buy it with 16B of memory in the first place.

Retina Display is good and all, but... (2)

Cyrano de Maniac (60961) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287105)

The MacBook Pro with a Retina Display of 220ppi sounds great, but I have a serious question.

Has Apple fixed the problem with the system font being sized in a fixed number of pixels? My parents' 17" MBP with hi-res display is almost unusable with my parent's aging eyes (or even my middle-aged eyes), and it doesn't have a ppi anywhere near 220. I'm incredulous that Apple has allowed this UI flaw to persist for so long -- my parents cannot be the only ones who would appreciate a larger system font.

Re:Retina Display is good and all, but... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287231)

The point of the "retina display" resolution is that everything is doubled. 2880x1800 is going to work effectively like 1440x900. Fonts are rendered at twice the size, images are twice the size, etc.. You're not going to be looking at tiny windows with tiny fonts, you're going to be looking at normal sized windows with normal sized fonts that look much smoother - almost print like. The higher resolution just allows much more detail.

Yes and no (3, Informative)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287331)

So no in the strict sense, OS-X is still resolution dependent, it doesn't have true independent scaling like Windows 7 does. However yes in the sense of this device in that it uses the HiDPI pixel doubling trick of the iPad.

So this screen is precisely double a 1440x900 screen, which is a pretty normal mid-rez 15" screen. What happens is if apps are flagged as HiDPI aware, they get presented with the real resolution and can render things with more detail. If not, they are presented with quarter resolution and all pixels are doubled in each direction.

So it solves the problem in sort of a sidelong manner. It works since Apple maintains control over the hardware and thus can say "screens will be available in the following resolutions".

Re:Retina Display is good and all, but... (1)

franciscohs (1003004) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287369)

I fully agree with this, in fact, not seeing a font/UI scaling feature in Mountain Lion hinted me that they would probably wouldn't take the obvious "retina display" step on laptops soon. I was wrong thou, and although I would be the first one to buy a very high res display, I wouldn't do it if they don't allow me to scale the UI. I bought the Air as my first Mac laptop and one of the decisions that almost made me not buy it was font size. Even with excellent eyesight, fonts are marginally acceptable and I had to change font size for multiple applications to feel comfortable.

No Classic or Rosetta (1, Interesting)

pubwvj (1045960) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287155)

Apple has abandoned Classic and Rosetta so now there is a tremendous amount of software, and the data accessed by said software, that can't run on the new machines. This means I can't upgrade all our machines as we still need access to our old data. Their hardware is plenty fast enough to perform the emulation. The only excuse for Apple's dropping Classic and Rosetta is greed. But the result is lost sales of Apple.

Re:No Classic or Rosetta (5, Insightful)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287217)

You seriously think "the only reason" for dropping Rosetta (PPC emulation layer for those who don't know) and Classic (Mac OS 9 compatibility layer) is greed?

How about you maintain your own legacy compatibility layers then? Unless maybe doing so is actually something that requires a lot of extra effort for very very little good reason since by now the vast majority of users have moved away from both PPC and OS 9.

Seriously, Rosetta I can almost understand that a handful of people still haven't gotten completely free from but Classic? That means you have been running (most likely) unsupported software on a deprecated platform for 10+ years without figuring out how to move away from the software and platform at hand to something slightly more modern...

Re:No Classic or Rosetta (1)

Sgs-Cruz (526085) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287219)

It's probably because of the high-resolution screen - you need to use the new API because it's the only one that forces you to make your GUI resolution-indpendent. (that said, IANAAD - I am not an Apple developer)

Re:No Classic or Rosetta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287225)

Maybe they don't want to get bogged down in a mire of legacy cruft like Microsoft, and you apparently, are?

Re:No Classic or Rosetta (2)

Conception (212279) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287265)

"Their hardware is plenty fast enough to perform the emulation." Buy Parallels/Install VMWare Hypervisor and emulate it yourself. You don't need 10.8 to run decade old software.

Re:No Classic or Rosetta (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287325)

Apple has abandoned Classic and Rosetta so now there is a tremendous amount of software, and the data accessed by said software, that can't run on the new machines. This means I can't upgrade all our machines as we still need access to our old data. Their hardware is plenty fast enough to perform the emulation. The only excuse for Apple's dropping Classic and Rosetta is greed. But the result is lost sales of Apple.

If you can't get your data out of your old apps, it's not Apple's problem. Call those developers up and demand a patch immediately. After all, the only excuse is greed, right? You should be worshiping Apple - you've apparently got mission-critical Apple machines that nearly 15 years old. Talk about value for the money!

Re:No Classic or Rosetta (1)

franciscohs (1003004) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287403)

But this happened with Lion, almost a year ago.

Re:No Classic or Rosetta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287435)

Apple has abandoned Classic and Rosetta so now there is a tremendous amount of software, and the data accessed by said software, that can't run on the new machines.

How many people want to run classic mac OS software on a new machine? Building, validating, and supporting such an emulator is a huge effort, and I suspect there are very few people who would actually use this.

The only excuse for Apple's dropping Classic and Rosetta is greed. But the result is lost sales of Apple.

How is it greedy to sell less hardware? Isn't it more likely that they decided the cost of maintaining compatibility shims for systems that were deprecated a decade ago is not worth the benefit? If you insist on running long-obsolete software, why can't you use older hardware?

Re:No Classic or Rosetta (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287517)

It is very well understood that Apple consistently drops support for legacy software, protocols, hardware, and everything in between after the technology no longer serves a majority of their users. How this is somehow news to you is what astounds me. You don't mention who "we" is, but if you are in any kind of decision-making position in your organization, you should have been preparing for this the very moment that Jobs walked on stage and gave a great big bear hug to Intel processors.

Which was, by the way, something like a decade ago.

You also don't mention what this "tremendous amount of software" of yours is, or what kind of "old data" you access, but my guess is that if you could afford to purchase the software in the 90's, and if it's really all that important to you, somebody can build you a solution to drag it kicking and screaming into the 21st century at a similar cost.

Re:No Classic or Rosetta (1)

busyqth (2566075) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287523)

Apple has abandoned Classic and Rosetta so now there is a tremendous amount of software, and the data accessed by said software, that can't run on the new machines.

Yeah!
Like... uhh... like MacPaint!!!
Yeah... and... uhhh... MacDraw!!!

Re:No Classic or Rosetta (1, Informative)

JDG1980 (2438906) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287657)

Apple has abandoned Classic and Rosetta so now there is a tremendous amount of software, and the data accessed by said software, that can't run on the new machines.

If you cared about legacy support you should have gone with Microsoft instead.

Shut up and take my money! (4, Informative)

Sgs-Cruz (526085) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287251)

I mean, it's a bit expensive ($2199 in stock configuration), but how can you look at these five lines:

2880x1800 resolution screen (this is insane)
256 GB solid-state hard drive
2.3 GHz quad-core Intel i7
8 GiB memory
7-hour battery life

and not want one?

Re:Shut up and take my money! (-1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287307)

Not enough RAM. Not enough disk space. Better have a hulking GPU if you plan to play games at that resolution.

Re:Shut up and take my money! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287371)

http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/

Memory: Configurable to 16GB.

Storage: Configurable to 768GB flash storage.

Re:Shut up and take my money! (2)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287563)

Geforce 650M is pretty beefy.

Re:Shut up and take my money! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287655)

Should have a Quadro 4000M for that sort of money.and a Xeon.

Re:Shut up and take my money! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287355)

And sheeple started to have orgasm right away...

carry on...

(Captch: "trutufhul". Heh.)

Is it truly expensive? (5, Insightful)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287427)

Who else on the market is doing that?

Let alone in the same form factor

and only 4.4 lbs?

The display beats my 27 inch iMac which has 2560x1440!

I am really curious how well that Nvidia chip can push 5 million plus pixels in a game because you know games will/have gone there.

I was fully expecting a 2499 entry price, the 2199 is an amazing price for what they have packaged.

Granted your going to be buying an external optical drive if you want for around a hundred, a three year warranty for at least 250 or 350 more... so it will quickly hit 3k

Re:Is it truly expensive? (1)

rachit (163465) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287689)

With a retina display, at least they could probably turn off anti-aliasing

Re:Shut up and take my money! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287433)

I could build 3 high performance desktops for that much.
Or 2 gaming windows laptops.
Or even a god damn server.

And you're stupid enough to blow it on a mediocre laptop with a crummy OS? You have fun with that.

Re:Shut up and take my money! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287543)

What am I going to use a server for?
How will I use those desktops when I'm not at home?
Will those gaming laptops have 7 hour battery lives and weight less than 4.4 lbs?

Re:Shut up and take my money! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287641)

My Dell does. It cost a quarter of the price as well.

Re:Shut up and take my money! (2)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287629)

I could build 3 high performance desktops for that much.

Or a bit more than one, with displays pushing at least as many pixels and SSDs that large.

Re:Shut up and take my money! (2)

NatasRevol (731260) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287735)

Cheaper, if your time is worthless.

Easy (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287445)

By looking at the other lines of

Geforce 650M

and

No Ethernet port.

For me, I wish to have higher end graphics since gaming is what I want my laptop for in a major way (it is mostly a mobile entertainment station for me when I go on vacation). Also, to the extent I use it for work, an Ethernet port is something I quite need. I'd rather not have to add that on as a dongle.

So I spent the same amount on a laptop, but got a bit different hardware, more to my liking.

Re:Shut up and take my money! (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287489)

cause of the first line

Apple

Been burned by that one before.

Re:Shut up and take my money! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287511)

Simple, I'm not some slavering fanboy like yourself who wants to spend money like that. I can assemble a PC with these components at a fraction of that cost.

"But where's the SMUG? You can't have a computer without the SMUG!"

Re:Shut up and take my money! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287537)

I mean, it's a bit expensive ($2199 in stock configuration), but how can you look at these five lines:

2880x1800 resolution screen (this is insane)
256 GB solid-state hard drive
2.3 GHz quad-core Intel i7
8 GiB memory
7-hour battery life

and not want one?

Um because as a gamer maybe i would want a 17 inch laptop for more real estate? Sorry but this is a failblog.org fail!

Re:Shut up and take my money! (0)

Algae_94 (2017070) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287599)

I agree that those specs are really good, but for $2200, that is what I expect to get if not more. I believe the thin-ness and weight (and the Apple logo) inflate the price a bit. I'd rather spend less and have a thicker, heavier version. Although, I'm a cheap ass that hasn't spent close to $2k for a computer since the mid 90's.

Oooooooh Retina Display (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40287363)

I'll be able to see it with my retina

or vagina

i'm getting the fear (2, Interesting)

Sebastopol (189276) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287365)

That is a LOT of features and behaviors. I don't feel prepared to understand and manage all of them. I feel like iOS is adding too damn much and is danger of becoming a Windows/Linux jumble of weird features in too many weird places. I want simple.

Anyone else getting the fear?

Re:i'm getting the fear (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287625)

There is no such thing as the disconnected consumer computer anymore . These new computers will come with an entire ARRAY of communications to the mothership that would have drove us insane in the 80s and 90s. The amount of actual spying that goes on , on a machine you 'own', is truly astonishing.

Sent from my mac ;)

Re:i'm getting the fear (4, Funny)

Symbha (679466) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287661)

Fear leads to anger...

mac pro only got a small bump (2)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#40287617)

they made the Optional 3.2 Quad-Core the base CPU and bumped the ram to 6gb. But why take 2 years to do that?

But
NO video card update (the ATI Radeon HD 5870 still costs $200 on top of base video card.) why not just make it the base video card??
NO thunderbolt
NO USB 3.0

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