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Gamer Keeps Civilization II Game Going for 10 Years

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the lots-of-spare-time dept.

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Have you ever wondered what a game of Civilization 2 would look like after running for 10 years? According to one gamer it's a "hellish nightmare of suffering and devastation." "Lycerius" says that he's been playing the same game of Civ II off and on for over a decade. Some highlights of the marathon session include: 1700 years of war, the ice caps melting over 20 times, constant guerrilla uprisings, and "Roughly 90% of the world's population has died either from nuclear annihilation or famine caused by the global warming that has left absolutely zero arable land to farm." It's too bad you can't build the Hanging Gardens more than once.

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MORONS!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297177)

How is this news? REALLY. HOW IS THIS NEWS?
 
  Die in a fire, samzenpus!

Re:MORONS!!! (5, Informative)

Lord Lode (1290856) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297245)

It is pretty nerdy, and interesting!

Re:MORONS!!! (5, Insightful)

DemomanDeveloper (2658739) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297629)

It also shows that Reddit nowadays is often much more interesting than /.

I would LOVE to have stories like this on Slashdot, but all we get is some pro-piracy, anti-microsoft circlejerking. The same goes for the comments, obviously. I remember when the John Carmack used to post here - he does not anymore, and you wonder why?

Re:MORONS!!! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40298149)

This is John Carmack. Stop being a bitch.

Re:MORONS!!! (1)

Frederic54 (3788) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298301)

I agree, I saw this story on reddit way before it was on /. ; it is special to see reddit story published here...

Re:MORONS!!! (1)

Caratted (806506) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298885)

/. effectively aggregates a lot of sites, via user moderation, in the same way that reddit does. It is just much slower, because editors (who sometimes do better than other times). It's always been that way - I've heard this thousands of times on /. - regarding TheVerge, for Engdaget, for Kokaku and perhaps the entire gawker blogging umbrella, for ThisIsMyNext before Topolsky moved, for every site, ever, that tries to post OC. This is not what /. does.

Re:MORONS!!! (5, Insightful)

Translation Error (1176675) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298649)

Um... This story is on Slashdot.

the problem with reddit (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40298917)

The problem with reddit is that its even more of an echo chamber because of the way they do moderation. Basically its all determined by the masses, like digg was. It used to be (circa 2006) that differing opinions were more visible. Now they are completely buried.

Also 95% of the stuff on there is memes, pictures of girls or animals, people complaining, or self aggrandizing (bestof, iama, TIL) and also constant reposts of the same crap from 10 years ago.

In short, its now a "community" as opposed to what it was when it started, a site which didn't require any email verification and was trying to be as anonymous as possible. Now they have karma, anniversaries (cake) and other "features" which make it more like a social networking site than a link agregator. They want people to build up their reputations, but this stifles independent thought. The delays on postings for non long term users is horrible now. Was much better when it was pseudo anonymous and not as popular. I blame the diggers who came over in 2008 or thereabouts.

all that said, i read it every day, but not usually the comments. Slashdot comments and moderation are far far far superior.

Re:MORONS!!! (4, Insightful)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#40299113)

It also shows that Reddit nowadays is often much more interesting than /.

A few years ago, everyone was saying the same about Digg--and how Digg was the /. killer. Heard from them lately?

Reports of slashdot's demise are frequently exaggerated.

Re:MORONS!!! (1)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40299131)

It also shows that Reddit nowadays is often much more interesting than /.

I don't read Reddit regularly but when I checked it now, it seemed to just be a similar "random crap" pool much like Digg. :)

I would LOVE to have stories like this on Slashdot, but all we get is some pro-piracy, anti-microsoft circlejerking.

Totally agree. It's a shame how one-sided the discussion regarding those topics is. You get nearly automatically downmodded if you oppose piracy, Linux is some holy water which makes everything good and, there's almost never any article related to solving some problem using MS environment. That said, this is still an awesome website...

Re:MORONS!!! (3, Interesting)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297825)

It is cool as frig to see that someone went the distance on it. More often than not, I just said 'screw it' and restarted the game after I reached the main goal and won, or after it was apparent that I was toast. I only went long-term once, and that was only for a month (same schedule, off and on as time permitted). Got way too bored with it at that point, nuked the remaining cities, and restarted the game (or sometimes I'd just go all Anasazi on it and begin to dismantle all my cities to see what happened.)

I usually won it by being the American team up-front, since the game engineered that particular role to be even more aggressive than the real USA could ever hope to be.

Best bet though was to find and identify the aggressive mofos up-front, wipe them out post-haste, and then quickly surround the weaker nations with your stuff so that they didn't expand. Eventually, you could leave them with one city apiece, and you own the rest.

Re:MORONS!!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40298355)

Can he share some screenshots? Or a saved game file?

That's what I was hoping to find anyway ;)

Re:MORONS!!! (3, Interesting)

glassware (195317) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298593)

Screenshots here:
http://imgur.com/a/rAnZs [imgur.com]

Re:MORONS!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297265)

My thoughts exactly. Some loser spends thousands of hours playing a computer game over a couple decades because he has no life, and it gets posted to Slashdot?

Really?????

It must be a very, very, very slow news day.

Re:MORONS!!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297317)

As opposed to a couple of nerds crying about something on a new website because THEY have no life?

REALLY????

Must be a slow day for you guys.

Re:MORONS!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40299021)

I can guarantee you that the amount of time they spent making their posts was insignificant, while the amount of time the gamer has spent playing this game was very significant. I'm not making any judgement on the worth of the story here, mind... But your comparison is pretty flawed.

Re:MORONS!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297359)

Embrace it. This is what Slashdot has become.

If you want the good stuff with quality comments, see the "This day in history" posts from 2005 on the right side banner.

Re:MORONS!!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40298237)

What it has "become"? People bragging about their uptime is pretty much how it /started/... I really don't see what all the fuss is about.

Re:MORONS!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40298815)

The fact that you think 2005 was the "good old days" is just adorable.

But don't worry, you'll get to say the same thing in five years or so when someone waxes all nostalgic for the golden age of Slashdot that was 2012.

Re:MORONS!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297785)

over a couple decades .

See: TFH, TFS, TFA

Re:MORONS!!! (1)

Neutral_Observer (1409941) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297837)

THIS is why I stay in my mother's basement!

Re:MORONS!!! (5, Funny)

JustAnotherIdiot (1980292) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297277)

Go look at the front page of any news website
Now look at this article
You /can't/ tell me that this is less interesting than whatever crap the media is trying to feed you today.

Re:MORONS!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297415)

The tagline isn't "stuff that's slightly more interesting than EW.com". It's "News for nerd, stuff that matters."

I realize the title of "nerd" has been redefined by some as "casual gamer". Beyond that, this is neither news for nerds nor stuff that matters.

Stay tuned for an update on the man that reaches a million kills in a single game of Call of Duty.

Re:MORONS!!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297697)

...casual gamer?
I'd say someone who plays a single Civ2 game save for 10 years is pretty hardcore.

Re:MORONS!!! (1)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297903)

...casual gamer?

I'd say someone who plays a single Civ2 game save for 10 years is pretty hardcore.

If this place were really "news for someone who played a single Civ2 game save for 10 years" then we would ALL be out (that guy probably doesnt even post here).

Re:MORONS!!! (5, Funny)

Trent Hawkins (1093109) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298537)

you're telling me you don't have Civ2 installed on your desktop? At the very least you must surely have MoO2 or Master of Magic.

No? Not even x-com on steam? Well... frankly I don't think YOU matter.

Re:MORONS!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297625)

NY Times:
2 articles on Spanish euro crisis and possibility spreading to Europe
1 article on Russian protests of the Kremlin
1 article on Mexican drug gangs laundering money in the US

I'd say that every single article is more interesting (and newsworthy) than some guy playing Civ2 for 10 years.
Probably a number of the advertisements are as well.

Re:MORONS!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297683)

You /can't/ tell me that this is less interesting than whatever crap the media is trying to feed you today.

Heh heh. Oh boy, heh heh heh ho ho heh!!!
 
OK, so, Mr. Soft Serve Cat Dung For Brains, wouldn't you LIKE to think that this site is just a LITTLE above that? You know; think about it if you can. Faux News and CNN are media for the masses. Why should Slashdot stoop to THOSE levels? Explain your reasoning. WHY are you comparing Slashdot to that?
 
This "well, it could be worse!" mentality has grown REALLY OLD.

Re:MORONS!!! (1)

JustAnotherIdiot (1980292) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297821)

wouldn't you LIKE to think that this site is just a LITTLE above that?

Not really, and you're foolish to think otherwise.

Why should Slashdot stoop to THOSE levels?

You tell me, but as everyone complains on a daily basis, it seems to have done just that.

WHY are you comparing Slashdot to that?

See above.

This "well, it could be worse!" mentality has grown REALLY OLD.

When you get old, you tend take what you can get and chill the fuck out.

Re:MORONS!!! (2)

RoboRay (735839) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297879)

You mean a media news website like this: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/12/man-plays-civilisation-ii_n_1589153.html [huffingtonpost.co.uk]

Re:MORONS!!! (1)

JustAnotherIdiot (1980292) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298343)

Touché good sir.

Re:MORONS!!! (1)

RoboRay (735839) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298419)

I'll admit it the HuffPost piece almost looks like an Onion article, if it makes you feel better.

Re:MORONS!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297921)

No 10 defends gay marriage plans

Re:MORONS!!! (1)

aztektum (170569) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297575)

Disregard the fact the full tagline is "News for Nerds", I happen to enjoy living in a world where "news" isn't confined to what one persons thinks it should be.

Re:MORONS!!! (3, Insightful)

ClintJCL (264898) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297797)

It is news. It's an unusual, not-normal occurrence. And it's game related. News for nerds. This is the most interesting thing posted ind ays.

Re:MORONS!!! (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298577)

If you want "news for nerds" then you should be on specialized websites like reprap.org, cnczone.com, buildyourcnc.com, etc.

He must not be that good (4, Insightful)

Schezar (249629) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297181)

He must be a pretty crappy gamer if, in all that time, there are still other civilizations in his way with which to have constant nuclear warfare. If he'd actually eliminated the other civilizations, he could easily rebuild everything.

Also, how on earth did he have so much global warming? That can really only be the effect of poor decisions or poorly waged nuclear war.

Re:He must not be that good (1)

Lord Lode (1290856) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297227)

Well, why don't you try it then? Play until the year 4000 and tell how your civilization is doing!

Re:He must not be that good (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297429)

I did that once with the original Civ. Played through until about the year 6000 AD. It was a long, hard battle at the start, but as the game progressed I eventually won out. By around 2000 AD I had virtually the entire planet and the AI had one civilization with two cities. In that situation the AI simply won't attack because you're too powerful, so the game continues peacefully virtually for ever. It gets boring pretty fast. Soon everything was covered with railroads and irrigation, the planet was effectively terraformed, all the technology was discovered, the climate was stable because there was no need for production and neither side had nucs. Almost all the cities had masses of happy people, it was basically a very boring utopia.

Re:He must not be that good (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40298089)

Hold on, I'm going to submit your comment as a slashdot story now.

Re:He must not be that good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40298155)

Being covered in railroads and irrigation is almost the opposite of terraformed.

Re:He must not be that good (2)

TFAFalcon (1839122) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298235)

Did you overheat the world before settling it fully? I remember that global warming eventually turned every land square into a swamp, and you could turn those into grasslands with your settlers. Since grasslands gave the most food, global warming was good if you wanted a large population.

Re:He must not be that good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40298337)

No, I don't think my world ever overheated before it was fully settled. In very few of my games did the planet ever experience serious global warming. I tended to keep production low and avoided nuclear war.

Re:He must not be that good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297987)

Anyone can get to 4000 in a couple days.

Re:He must not be that good (2)

Pope (17780) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298299)

I did something similar with the original Civ for DOS. I was playing Prince level on the world map, and managed to wipe out every other country of the planet, except for the Aztecs, who had replaced the Egyptians when I wiped them out early on.

The Aztecs had one city going *somewhere*, but I hadn't come across them yet. So I kept on my merry expansionist/scientific ways, railroading everywhere I could and making super caravan cities and parking the caravans off on railroad sidings until I needed them. I eventually ran out of units! So each city was reduced to 1 settler and 1 mechanized infantry for defense, but even then I stopped being able to build more units.

I finally discovered whatever it was that allowed the Apollo Program, and built it in 2 turns in a city out near Kamchatka that I'd created to do nothing but house that Wonder. After I'd built the Program wonder, I finally discovered where the Aztecs were: they'd been plopped down in the middle of Siberia (essentially all woods), and had a city of 1 population and 1 Militia defending it. With not enough food or productions shields to get bigger, it had been in practical stasis since 3000BC-ish.

I decided to be a bastard and put a diplomat in every square until the city's control to ensure that they couldn't grow and/or attack me. I eventually built a full spaceship and launched it. Final population was around a billion, and final Civ Score was around 240 (I think?). I pretty much gave up playing after that. :)

Re:He must not be that good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297243)

agreed. i almost never had to use nukes, and rarely let the other guys get nukes, or took them down fast enough that they couldn't retaliate with nukes.

Re:He must not be that good (1)

jythie (914043) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297275)

I am guessing the latter. Once the computer players get nukes they tend to use them heavily.

I think this would have been more interesting if the game had been modded to remove the time cap and we were talking about a hear 40,000 game instead. A game intentionally played so as to not end and keep some balance (so leaving other civilizations fairly intact) and running the simulation long past its designed ending point.. could be kinda neat.

Re:He must not be that good (2)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297353)

Make it into a MMOG, with groups of players forming "governments" to run specified countries in the game, that'll be even more fun

Re:He must not be that good (1)

jythie (914043) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297777)

I am picturing someone mashing up EvE and Civ... it took me to a happy place.

Re:He must not be that good (1)

Mindcontrolled (1388007) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298005)

My vision of the apex of massive multiplayer gaming is a mash-up on a far wider scale - some players with an inclination towards strategy gaming do the big strategic decisions on a "Civ"-scale of things, others play more micro-management heavy strategic/tactical levels below that, and whoever feels like it, hops into any vehicle available or grabs a gun and jumps into a current battle as an ordinary grunt. Every decision on a high level creates missions and goals for the lower levels.

Re:He must not be that good (1)

jythie (914043) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298165)

Well, that is kinda what CCP is trying to pull off with EvE+Dust. It remains to be seen how well their experiment will go though.

Re:He must not be that good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297361)

Global Warming is inevitable in Civ 2. Once the game year gets high enough, it's only going to get worse and worse until you hit a win condition.

"how on earth did he have so much global warming?" (4, Funny)

StefanJ (88986) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297443)

Deny it exists and do nothing to stop it?

Re:He must not be that good (5, Insightful)

XiaoMing (1574363) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297479)

He must be a pretty crappy gamer if, in all that time, there are still other civilizations in his way with which to have constant nuclear warfare. If he'd actually eliminated the other civilizations, he could easily rebuild everything.

Also, how on earth did he have so much global warming? That can really only be the effect of poor decisions or poorly waged nuclear war.

Considering how his biggest gripes are when other countries violate ceasefires, as well as his reluctance in switching away from democracy, it looks like he was trying create an actual society that co-inhabits the world with other societies, rather than just play king of the resource mountain.

Re:He must not be that good (1)

rastilin (752802) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298753)

A lot of historical societies dealt with these kinds of problems by being "king of resource mountain". If you get your ceasefire broken once, that makes you a victim of betrayal, but the third time it happens you're just being gullible.

Re:He must not be that good (1)

XiaoMing (1574363) | more than 2 years ago | (#40299061)

If you get your ceasefire broken once, that makes you a victim of betrayal, but the third time it happens you're just being gullible.

Why does that logic sound so familiar [childdevelopmentinfo.com] ?
Ah yes, ages 4-7:

The child has an intuitive grasp of logical concepts in some areas. However, there is still a tendency to focus attention on one aspect of an object while ignoring others. Concepts formed are crude and irreversible.
Perceptions dominate judgment. In moral-ethical realm, the child is not able to show principles underlying best behavior.

Once again, display of maturity and an attempt to build an actual society.

Re:He must not be that good (1)

Windwraith (932426) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297851)

The story talks about a long game. Not a good game.

Re:He must not be that good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297863)

He could've shipped the entire population to Alpha Centauri in that time.

Re:He must not be that good (3, Informative)

alvinrod (889928) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298701)

Here's a Reddit post describing the situation [reddit.com] made by a guy who started the game.

Apparently, there are three main super powers left and they have been locked in constant war with each other for the past thousand years or more. Every time someone moves beyond the relatively stable front lines, their armies just get nuked into oblivion so no one can really push the attack too far beyond a set border. Spies constantly plant nuclear devices in cities, wiping out the population and spreading pollution. Engineers are generally kept busy building roads to keep moving troops to the front lines so there's not really enough time to clean up the pollution or improve the terrain.

Basically it's reached a point where it's almost impossible to gain an advantage. Everyone is armed to the teeth and nuclear weapons will demolish just about any army in the field that gets to far across the lines. Everyone is also so committed to the war effort that there's not enough resources to devote to fixing things up and anytime something does get fixed up, it's generally just nuked back to oblivion.

Sounds like a really fun game of Civ II.

Re:He must not be that good (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298893)

Why does the ultimate goal have to be to eliminate all competition?

Reddit reruns (-1, Offtopic)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297263)

Really? We're in the middle of a presidential reelection, syria is in strife, E3 just happened, Macworld is in full swing, literally hundreds of new IvyBridge laptops/ultrabook models have been released, Lenovo announces a no-contract wireless data plan at a reasonable price, and it's a "slow news day" so slashdot is rerunning crap from the front page of reddit? Really?
 
Oh CmdrTaco, how I miss you. Did your non-compete say anything about creating a competitor? I'm glad you got out before the corporate drones sucked the last life out of Slashdot, but you couldn't have established a safe haven for the rest of us?

Re:Reddit reruns (1)

FunPika (1551249) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297371)

This is Idle. I don't know why weird stuff from it occasionally shows up on the main page, but there is a preference to get rid of Idle articles somewhere if you want to use it.

Re:Reddit reruns (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297373)

I for one am sick of hearing about unemployment, the election and Syria. Want to hear about it? Go to News.google, cnn. USA Today, etc.

Absolutely nothing wrong with nerd news appearing on a nerd website. Just because it isn't exciting enough for YOU doesn't mean others won't like it... nor does it mean everyone watches Reddit Live.

So game with GW agenda? (2)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297273)

I knew it! Those developers are damn liberal hippies! :)

Seriously though, life defining game series.

and he will time travel and write the book 1894 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297355)

and he will time travel and write the book 1894

1984 (5, Interesting)

David89 (2022710) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297381)

This reminds me of 1984 actually, right down to there being three superpowers left in the world. For those who haven't read it, perpetual war is fought over border zones that constantly change hands, with each power too strong to ever be defeated.

Re:1984 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297505)

This reminds of the top comment on the very same reddit comment this "story" links to. This is pathetic, even for idle.

Re:1984 (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297759)

Or at least that's what the government tells you...

Re:1984 (5, Insightful)

SAN1701 (537455) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298485)

Mod parent up, IIRC there's no reason to believe there's an actual war between the 3 superpowers in '1984' book, apart from the totalitarian government propaganda.

Re:1984 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40298569)

There was never a reason to believe that there were 3 superpowers, either.

Re:1984 (1)

jythie (914043) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297835)

Oddly enough this is what often bothered me about Civ. I actually found it pretty hard to end up in a stalemate situation in the game, either I overwhelmed the computer players and wiped them out over a fairly short course, or some computer player lept out in front and crushed me before I was ready.

Real history though has countries fighting back and forth, often finding the cost of finishing the job to be too high (indigestion absorbing new territory, economic costs of prolonged war, etc)... and I kept wishing Civ did a better job of modeling these situations. So in a way I am actually rather impressed the person managed to end up in such a 'loosing' situation.

Re:1984 (2)

ArmchairGeneral (1244800) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298135)

I agree, I've played Civ since the very first version and it will always end up with me bring crushed or me crushing everyone (or at least the potential to do so). I'm kind of envious of his 'balance' he has going on. The most balance I ever saw was an ongoing battle I had with an enemy that lasted several centuries...I had more tech he had more units, it was an interesting war with me finally winning, but that scenario only ever happened once.

And don't get me started on the AI...

Re:1984 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40298393)

Agreed. It was very hard to find balance in the original. I tried it a couple of times, but the AI tends to kill off all other AI civilizations. So really it's usually just down to two or three players, one of which will be more powerful than the other two. Once I managed to take over most of the world and placed my cities between enemies so it was almost impossible for them to fight. Still, the two or three weaker civs got wiped out. The game seemed to intentionally make a few civs weak and a few super strong to avoid a stalemate.

Re:1984 (1)

alvinrod (889928) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298811)

The later versions of Civ, at least Civ IV, did better in these regards. If you were at war for prolonged periods of time, the unhappiness made it difficult to keep things perfectly stable at home. Additionally, even if you managed to capture enemy cities, the amount of culture that the enemy exerted over them was sometimes enough to cause the cities to revolt and revert to their control after a few hundred years.

I remember one game where another super power and I were essentially fighting a giant proxy war through our allies and other nations, simply because it was too expensive for us to wage war directly. Also, we both had a load of nuclear weapons, so the end results of a direct conflict probably would have started to look similar to this. I was losing at first simply because I couldn't support my allies as well, but I eventually managed to damage his economy so much through espionage and my trade corporations that he couldn't afford to hold a large amount of his cities and was forced to turn them into a vassal state, which broke away from the parent nation a later.

Re:1984 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40298043)

Too Big To Fail seems to come in threes...

Our Future (1)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297409)

So that's what our future looks like...

Re:Our Future (1)

capnchicken (664317) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297521)

Yes, the future of slashdot stories are links to reddit comments. Truly a frightening visage.

Virtual machines (4, Interesting)

scorp1us (235526) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297421)

First, I thought this was about a continuously running game... And my fist thought was dang, I bet he wish he started it in a VM, because he could have kept moving it to new hardware, rateh than keeping that old Pentium IV around. But I guess there's a save-game feature.

Re:Virtual machines (2)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297659)

You can convert conventional Windows installs to VMs.

Google it. It's been an option for several years at least.

Re:Virtual machines (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40298869)

While running? I assume the OP was referring to the fact that he thought the game was constantly running for 10 years.

He should have... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297437)

... boarded the ship for Alpha Centauri.

Re:He should have... (1)

tom17 (659054) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297661)

Or Fintlewoodlewix.

Bad player (1)

Chemisor (97276) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297439)

Now we know whom not to vote for in the next election. Such mismanagement never happens in my games...

9-9-9 (1)

medv4380 (1604309) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297477)

So that's what it leads to?

sim city does not have war (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297741)

sim city does not have war

"the Amercans" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297559)

"the Amercans"
Damn you...

Sounds suspicious... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297577)

This smells to me like someone trying to make a thinly-veiled political statement. I've played a lot of Civ, and I find it hard to believe that 3 civilizations could still exist after playing for that long.

Re:Sounds suspicious... (1)

jythie (914043) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297855)

Agreed, well, on the later part at least. Civ's sim always had trouble with balanced power, usually someone breaks a little bit ahead and they quickly become uncatchable.

Re:Sounds suspicious... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40298743)

He posted his save file, and it's not that unlikely a scenario at all.

Basically this game mirrors reality ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40297869)

So basically this game looks like a mirror image of our future ?

Original Content (1)

Dunge (922521) | more than 2 years ago | (#40297913)

Slahshdot I'm disappointed you just steal Reddit posts and try to create "news" with it. How about trying to have original content instead?

Wrong Strategy. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40298231)

He should have used the infamous kinghit strategy.

Basically build one city, rush your tech, then overwhelm the enemy.

If I could find the page that documented it, I would post it, but Usenet is dead.

Am I Missing Something Here? (0)

JohnnyMindcrime (2487092) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298253)

You can play a game of chess in 30 minutes or it could take you 6 months to play the game if you made one move a day and played someone via email. But that doesn't mean that the moves are any different in either game.

Therefore I don't see the relevance of playing Civilization II over 10 years here, apart from it being a notable but geeky thing to do.

I've not played Civ in a long time but from what I recall the number of physical game turns are fixed and apart from a couple of the variants ("Test Of Time" springs to mind), the game starts in 4000BC and ends at around 2000AD - so how long it takes you to play that fixed number of turns seems largely irrelevant.

Sure, if the guy had reported that he'd replayed the same game over and over again using different strategies and it *ALWAYS* finished up with the three civilizations at constant war in a nuclear wasteland, then that might be worthy of mention.

But otherwise I must be missing something here or it's just a slow Slashdot news day...

Re:Am I Missing Something Here? (1)

Roujo (2577771) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298527)

While I agree that 10 years of real-time is not a good indication of how far the game has gotten, he says in his post that he's up to year 3991 AD. This is the first time I've heard of anyone going so far in a game, let alone keeping at it 10 years after he started it. =)

Re:Am I Missing Something Here? (1)

JohnnyMindcrime (2487092) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298841)

Yeah, thanks, you're right and I should have read the article more carefully.

But even so, isn't this just indicative of 4X computer strategy games in general anyway?

When you play games of this type that start with 8 or so players, then you usually end up with about half of them being wiped out in the early to mid-stages of the game because the successful players have been the quickest and fastest to follow a specific strategy - whether it's fast expansion and strength through numbers or being the most technologically advanced.

If you are at a situation where there are only 3 players left in a game then it's because there's a stalemate situation happening whereby no one player is big enough or bad enough to take out one of the other players. By the year 3991 AD, presumably every surviving player will have got to the end of the tech tree, so there's no advantage there; and by virtue of there being three surviving players, they must each occupy considerable land mass each.

Re:Am I Missing Something Here? (1)

tocsy (2489832) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298691)

I've not played Civ in a long time but from what I recall the number of physical game turns are fixed and apart from a couple of the variants ("Test Of Time" springs to mind), the game starts in 4000BC and ends at around 2000AD

The scored game ends at 2020AD, I believe, but you can continue playing afterwards. If I remember correctly, there's a popup that says something along the lines of "Would you like to keep playing? Scores will not be recorded from now on."

Man, this really makes me want to go back and do this with my old copy of Civ II. They also mentioned Alpha Centauri, which always seemed to be too intensive for my computer but I'm sure it would run on what I have now... Oh god, the nostalgia.

Re:Am I Missing Something Here? (1)

JohnnyMindcrime (2487092) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298947)

The problem I have with 4X games is that the best games are those with human opponents, and the number of people prepared to sit and patiently play turn-based strategy games seems to get fewer and fewer by the day...

I always find that playing against the AI, I tend to fall into the same strategy of play that always lets me win in the end - in my case, it tends to be a strategy of getting as technologically advanced as possible whilst not expanding too much and keeping all my opponents friendly until I can roll out my tank divisions and bombers against their archers and catapults...

I can never play the evil conquering warmonger in 4X games, just as I've never been able to play the evil murderous bastard in either Fallout 3 or Fallout New Vegas...

One more stat (2)

ravnous (301936) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298487)

7,338 tanks destroyed by phalanxes

Make him president? (4, Funny)

bunyip (17018) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298651)

Wow, this guy has some serious management skillz! Maybe he should be running Spain or Greece or the US?

in 10 years... (2)

ftobin (48814) | more than 2 years ago | (#40298977)

I wouldn't be at all surprised that if in 10 years we'll have some people playing the same Minecraft worlds as well. It would even be more interesting, since your "history" would be remembered as you moved from camp to camp.

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