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Vein Grown From Her Own Stem Cells Saves 10-Year-Old

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the vat-kiddies dept.

Medicine 169

An anonymous reader writes in with a story about a milestone in stem cell medicine. "A ten year old girl became the first person in the world to get a major blood vessel replaced by one grown using her own stem cells. The 10-year-old from Sweden had a blockage of a vein from her liver. The doctors decided to give her a new vein instead of a liver transplant or giving her a vein from her own body, Associated Press reported. The team from University of Gothenburg first took 9 cm vein segment from a dead man and stripped all living cells from it, leaving behind only a protein structure. They later reconstructed the vein by using cells from the girl's own bone marrow. The new graft was then put in the girl's body two weeks later."

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169 comments

Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human? (4, Interesting)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40329941)

Since the donor vessel was stripped down to nothing but a protien structure is there any reason a non-human vein couldn't be donated? Cattle are slaughtered in bulk for instance, I don't see why a protien structure from one of those couldn't be used.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (4, Insightful)

Githaron (2462596) | more than 2 years ago | (#40329991)

What does it matter? There are plenty of dead people around.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330013)

Oh great, another "save the children" movement. When are government regulators and school boards going to learn that the children don't need saving?

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (5, Funny)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330041)

"I believe that children are our future..unless we stop them now." -- Homer Simpson.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (4, Insightful)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330027)

Agreed, but not all of them consent to donate.

Cattle don't get a say in the matter. If we start doing this in bulk we would be better off finding commonly slaughtered animals that can provide the structure rather than consenting humans to meet demand. Granted, even if we don't go the animal route the percentage of compatible donors just skyrocketed for those that can wait a while for an organ - such as my own cousin who is awaiting a heart.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (4, Interesting)

Algae_94 (2017070) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330085)

Cows would have to be slaughtered in a way to save a certain vein for a procedure like this. Current slaughterhouse practices would not lead to much useable matter for medical procedures like this. It's do-able, but would take some changes. That's assuming the cow vein is indeed compatible.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330111)

I would like to slaughter dat ass with the veins in my huge nigger dick!

nigger nigger nigger

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330145)

I would like to slaughter dat ass with the veins in my huge nigger dick!

nigger nigger nigger

I modded this up +1 Funny because well, it really did make me laugh.

Yeah real racism is horrifying but this shit... I can't take this kind of post seriously. It's hilariously obscene and taboo.

Fuck the easily offended - long as I treat all people equally I can say all the "forbidden words" I want. Or laugh at somebody else saying them.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330971)

i don't like obama..not because he is a nigga...it's just because he is a Marxist nigger.Un-American son of a nigger loving mother.
fuck all you socialist cock suckers.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330987)

I am tired of them! Every time I go to the movie they wont shut the fuck up and they wonder why we want to shoot them all the time. I would like to take a bunch of little nigger kids and set them on fire. If I go out walking in the street they always want to push you in the road. The always hold you up at a cash register, because they are trying to con the poor Mexican cashier out of something. We need to exterminate them they are all just bound to grow up and be a car thief or a home invader or some ignorant crime, because they got an empty brainless fucking heads. When you work with them; they all always seem to merit very little contribution to the work environment; they stand around talking all day; cant follow directions; interfere with other employees work, and then they wonder why they don’t get raises. I fucking hate niggers. The dumbest thing the white man ever did was giving niggers a second amendment right. The first thing a nigger do when you give him a gun is go and kill another nigger; so it isn’t that bad an idea but then all the rest of the dumb niggers that still alive start going out and lobbying against firearm rights, then I am required to go through all these screens before I get a gun, because stupid fucking niggers cant quite shooting people. It is time to relocate the African American population back to Africa. The motherland where you belong, the disease ridden continent all the intellectual humans fled thousands of years ago. Then some brain dead businessman came along and found he could make money selling these monkeys to lazy rich Americans as slaves. Then wonderful Lincoln decided to set them free to live as Americans and now I have to deal with them. I fucking hate Texas!!

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40331003)

i hate them
they smell
they breathe all the white mans air
the do crime
they rape
they steal are wimminz
there ugly
they steal
they sell drugs
they belong in zoo's
if you dont agree with me u need to get out more

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330993)

That communist pig gonna have to answer to the real Americans one day. We might have to start a war to get rid of this guy.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40331023)

piece of shit niggers

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330229)

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Feelin' all the girls like a big gold digger
Take a small problem
Make a small problem bigger
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Don't consider me your brother no more
Goddamn kilogram how do you figure
I don't want to be called yo nigga
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I don't care how small or bigger
I don't want to be called yo nigga
Yo nigga...

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (4, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330219)

Then there will be ranchers who make money slaughtering the animal to recover the vein as well as sell the meat.

However, I think it would be more likely that Pigs would be genetically altered to have the correct kind of vein.

Eventually the protein structure will just be grown or printed on demand

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (4, Informative)

reverseengineer (580922) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330651)

The structure of the vein isn't a major issue in this particular case- the procedure was a bypass, so all that was needed was a tube of tissue that could take blood from one vein to another. This procedure, called a meso Rex bypass, has been done with a variety of vein sources already. The cadaver donor vein used here was an iliac vein, which normally returns blood from the legs. Issues of structure or size do come into play when other types of grafts or transplants are considered, but I think, as other comments have noted, that in this case generation of the vein from stem cells was done for immunological reasons, as even decellularized animal tissue can provoke an immune response.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330881)

There's a ranch in California that provides medical grade collagen from their cattle. Their "slaughterhouse" is comparable with a high-end operating room. They need to take extreme precautions in raising the cattle to produce the absolutely best product possible - totally organic, no contact with cattle not under the control of the ranch (they actually lease all surrounding lands and leave them unused to ensure that), etc. It's very expensive to raise cattle this way. But it is very lucrative. Lucrative enough that the meat is a by-product and only adds marginally to the bottom line. I imagine if this were to become common place, similar ranches could be set up. Granted, it moves away from the local slaughterhouse diverting part of their cull, but it's do-able.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330501)

Even though the researchers 'stripped' the vein, there certainly are proteins left and they may be antigenic (create an immune response, something you don't want in this instance). We use pig heart valves in humans without much problem so our little porcine friend might be a better fit.

That said, this is pretty investigational, they may have wanted to decrease the number of variables involved or may simply have had a better protocol for using a human substrate. If this turns out to work well, you can bet these sorts of things will be explored.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (1)

Jarik C-Bol (894741) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330809)

Of course, the theoretical end game of this is being able to take a donor heart, strip it down to the protein structure, and grow a new heart with the recipients cells, thus drastically reducing the rejection issues.
And, as other posters have noted, it may be possible to eventually use an animal donor (such as a pig, as with the heart valves).
Imagine being able to harvest pig hearts from the normal food production process, strip them down, and make new hearts for transplant. Far enough down the line, it may be possible to tailor a re-grown heart that simply does not cause rejection issues. (not talking tomorrow, but maybe 50-100 years of research as a shot in the dark guess).
That's a pretty lofty goal, but this research is a stepping stone in that direction.

Of course, a better solution would be to train into the population a better attitude and awareness of health, leading to better lifestyle choices, increasing the overall health in the population, reducing the factors that cause heart problems such as obesity, thus reducing the load on the transplant list.
But where's the money in that? /fatalism

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (1)

Kell Bengal (711123) | more than 2 years ago | (#40331035)

Simply saying "it's because you're fat!" is an oversimplification. Even very healthy people get heart disease. That said, obesity itself is a medical problem; if losing weight was easy, everyone would be skinny. Obviously it's not simple case of everyone trying to live better. Regardless of 'lifestyle choice', not everyone has access to quality food or the opportunity to get the execise they need in the week (lord knows I don't!).

I think, however, that what you're trying to say is that health problems are systemic as much as random instances, and that if we solve the underlying problems we will have an easier time of it. I agree, but I would assert those systemic problems are societal as much as they are individual.

chicken feet are now $275M per year (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330785)

Chiken used to be slaughtered in a way that left the feet usable only as ground animal feed. When http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/us-china-embroiled-in-trade-spat-over-chicken-feet/2011/12/13/gIQASphjxO_story.html [washingtonpost.com] they're worth $275 million per year the slaughterhouses changed they're practices.

Wave more money like that at slaughterhouses and they will JUMP to change.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (1)

mfwitten (1906728) | more than 2 years ago | (#40331049)

Sounds like a problem for the Free Market to figure out.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (3, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330767)

consenting humans

Who would not consent to be an organ donor? I'm curious. I want to know what kind of person says, "No, I don't want any of my parts used to save anyone's life after I die."

Is it a superstitious thing or something? I'm not joking or trying to provoke. I cannot grasp not being willing to donate one's organs after death.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330885)

I have not consented to be an organ donor. Mainly because I do not trust that my organs won't be prematurely harvested in the haste to save someone else's life. So I am not listed as an organ donor, and my family will be able to make the decision if I am well and truly dead.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (1)

xaotikdesigns (2662531) | more than 2 years ago | (#40331027)

There are also religious reasons not to be a donor. I don't think those of the Jewish or Muslim faiths can donate.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (1)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40331193)

I used to consent on my drivers license, the people at the DMV were so used to hitting "No" they hit "No" on mine even though I answered "Yes".

It is no longer an option on the Texas drivers license.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (1)

Githaron (2462596) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330821)

Agreed, but not all of them consent to donate.

Assuming this is like the heart and bladder procedure, that I heard about, the pool of potential donors is massively increased by this technology since they no longer have to worry about rejection. That means many more of those that do consent are usable.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (5, Interesting)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330001)

I am more interested in the fact that her cells were harvested from her bone marrow, rather than gathered from umbilical cord blood and cryogenically stored at several thousand dollars a pop.

Although it can't be a good news article for their business, it gives the rest of us oldies a bit more hope that we can benefit from stem cells.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330181)

I am more interested in the fact that her cells were harvested from her bone marrow, rather than gathered from umbilical cord blood and cryogenically stored at several thousand dollars a pop. Although it can't be a good news article for their business, it gives the rest of us oldies a bit more hope that we can benefit from stem cells.

You're not really old unless hassling service clerks seems to you like a great and wonderful way to spend your remaining time.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (5, Informative)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330217)

It's actually not as amazing as it seems... adult stem cells* have been used quite extensively, and for quite awhile. It also has the added advantage of compatibility.

* yes she's a kid, but they still call 'em adult cells, to distinguish them from the embryonic ones.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (1)

Sarius64 (880298) | more than 2 years ago | (#40331015)

Sorry no mod points today. +1 This fact of the process does provide hope that donor organs may be a thing of the past. I saw a documentary where whole lungs and hearts were created with this process. It would be interesting if things like liver replacements could be achieved via bone marrow harvesting.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (1)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330025)

I'd imagine your right but I'm not a biologist. But a human one might have a better form factor making it easier to implant. I love the 21st century.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330109)

I'd imagine your right but I'm not a biologist

Nor a master of basic written English.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330415)

I'd imagine your right but I'm not a biologist

Nor a master of basic written English.

Thank you for your contribution. This thread would have suffered for lack of your pedantry despite the clear communication that the GP made.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (3, Informative)

SomePgmr (2021234) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330087)

Since the donor vessel was stripped down to nothing but a protien structure is there any reason a non-human vein couldn't be donated?

I know they use animal tissues as scaffolds for some treatments. I was recently reading about the use of stripped extracellular matrix from pigs bladders for treatment on both horses and people.

http://www.acell.com/acell-products.html [acell.com]

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (3, Interesting)

camperdave (969942) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330103)

Maybe she was lactose intolerant. :-)

I see three possible reasons why this was not done:
1. The vein needs to be a certain shape, and cow veins are shaped incorrectly.
2. The protein structure of cow veins is different somehow.
3. D'oh!

My guess, though, is that this is an experimental process and they went with a tissue type match to reduce the possibility of rejection. Trans-species transplants just adds way too many variables.

Number 2 (3, Insightful)

DrYak (748999) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330363)

2. The protein structure of cow veins is different somehow.

Subtle inter-specie difference in the amino acid sequence (and more rarely protein folding) might be recognised by the child's immune system as "foreign" and rejected.

The best long term solution would be to custom 3D-print the protein structure. But that would require technology which is not available/developed under the time constrains of saving this specific child's life. Thus, the "dead body" option was picked up for being quickly usable.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (1)

NEDHead (1651195) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330195)

I want the heart of a LION!!!

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (2)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330227)

You think small.
I want two hearts of a lion. One in my chest, the other hidden somewhere.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (2)

SomePgmr (2021234) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330365)

Yes! Built like a Klingon.

Only, instead of battle wounds I'll need the redundancy for my future arteriosclerosis.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (2)

xaotikdesigns (2662531) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330261)

I thought we could already do that. A woman on Penn and Teller's Bullshit had a cow vein put in her arm to help with dialysis.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (2)

Pezbian (1641885) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330511)

Yes, but she has to take immunosuppressive drugs in order to keep the cow vein.

The girl takes none.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (4, Informative)

hondo77 (324058) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330287)

This article [guardian.co.uk] touches on that in the last paragraph. In a nutshell: maybe. This is pioneering work so there are a lot of things that need to be evaluated.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330339)

Since the donor vessel was stripped down to nothing but a protien structure is there any reason a non-human vein couldn't be donated? Cattle are slaughtered in bulk for instance, I don't see why a protien structure from one of those couldn't be used.

There could be slight differences in protein structure that would be immunologically tricky. It could also just be that(while certainly complex) the paperwork for implanting human-derived material on an experimental basis is much better defined and less risky than the paperwork for heading down to the local slaughterhouse and harvesting some donor material.

Certainly, for high-value organs that are presently in very short supply, there would be a strong incentive to develop some sort of non cadaver source(whether it be animals, 3d-printed scaffolds, or whatever); but I imagine that, in the short term, if you want it to Just Work and don't necessarily need it to scale immediately, cadaver tissue is easiest.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330659)

Are the protein structures the same for non-humans?

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330727)

Only thing I can think of, is that the stem cells they used are going to be looking for a particular protein structure.

Note: I am not a doctor

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (1)

wiremuse (900017) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330965)

Since the donor vessel was stripped down to nothing but a protien structure is there any reason a non-human vein couldn't be donated? Cattle are slaughtered in bulk for instance, I don't see why a protien structure from one of those couldn't be used.

Not necessarily required it was done to provide the structure or scaffolding if you wish for the cells to grow on, it was a faster method this time around rather than having to make one artificially from scratch.

This isn't that big of a deal at all (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40331091)

(I'm a liver transplant surgeon).

They could have done this procedure with cadaver iliac vein without the fancy bioprocessing, without immunosuppression. I've done that operation. Allograft vessels and other tissue grafts have been available for years. It's an interesting idea to see if the autologous endothelial cells improve patency, but the procedure itself is nothing remotely newsworthy. I can't believe Lancet accepted the statement that this processing avoided the need for liver transplantation.

Also, decellularized bovine carotid grafts have also been used in human surgery for many years, usually for dialysis access surgery. The trade name is Artegraft, and I think they are marketed by Johnson and Johnson, but not sure. I don't know if bovine carotid has ever been used for a meso-rex shunt (what this kid had - an uncommon procedure), but they have been used many thousands of times for other vascular surgery.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (2)

drcesteffen (1236780) | more than 2 years ago | (#40331099)

A year and a half ago I watched a public television show which documented the creation of compatible organs. They stripped an incompatible mouse heart of all but the scaffold which was translucent and then seeded it with stem sells from the mouse they wanted to transplant it into. The cells grew into heart cells and the heart started beating in the lab environment. When transplanted into the mouse it worked fine. They suggested that the same thing could be done with pigs hearts to make them compatible with humans as the scaffold was not what the immune system of the body attacked. Not sure if this has already been done. They also used an inkjet head on a 3D printer to print a mouse heart of the scaffold material, seeded it with stem cells, and it started beating in the lab environment. As I recall, they had also done the similar things with lungs, kidneys, and other body parts. This was the show. "Replacing Body Parts" Aired January 26, 2011 on PBS http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/replacing-body-parts.html [pbs.org] Transcript on the website.

Re:Is it necessary the vien come from a dead human (1)

JoeMerchant (803320) | more than 2 years ago | (#40331101)

Cow protein != Human protein

It might work, but in the realm of unknown unknowns, it's probably best to not introduce unnecessary additional risks.

YOU MAD BRAH? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40329943)

GOT NEW VEINS TO SHOOT UP!

Controversy. (4, Funny)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330057)

Prof. Hubert J. Farnsworth: Come on, stem cells, work your astounding scientific nonsense!
Philip J. Fry: Fetal stem cells? Aren't those controversial?
Prof. Hubert J. Farnsworth: In your time, yes. But nowadays... shut up! Besides, these are adult stem cells, harvested from healthy adults whom I've killed for their stem cells.

Larry Niven quote (3, Interesting)

turkeydance (1266624) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330391)

here's your sign: A criminal's pirated body can save a dozen lives. There is now no valid argument against capital punishment for any given crime; for all such argument seeks to prove that killing a man does society no good.

Re:Larry Niven quote (1)

Sarius64 (880298) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330701)

Maybe this is the hidden value criminals possess that Mike Farrell keeps blabbing about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFPWxhvQRY0 [youtube.com]

Re:Controversy. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330393)

Congratulations to the US to be 10 years behind Sweden. Know three people who had to go to different countries for basic stem cell care.
While we do it here, we're wayyy behind.
Freaking Bush and his Right wing cronies did this country a ton of disservice.
 

Re:Controversy. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330795)

Survey says: WRONG! Bush and his "right wing cronies" were against embryonic stem cells. Something you seem to be unable to differentiate from the adults stem cells which this treatment was based on.

Re:Controversy. (-1, Troll)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#40331025)

It's not the embryonic stem cell thing that's the problem. The girl's treatment was paid for by a government that gives a crap if it's citizens live or die. That's what's missing here where your wallet must be at least this thick for anyone to care.

disgusting and deplorable (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330179)

This is just the kind of awful socialism that happens when the government funds scientific research.

We need more expensive and less effective procedures which ensure a steady flow of income from the patient.

The free market would have done a much better job.

Re:disgusting and deplorable (0, Flamebait)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330245)

Don't forget, stem cells are a horrible abomination because they sometimes involve killing things which could potentially become a human some day!

Re:disgusting and deplorable (3, Insightful)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330329)

Don't forget, 10 year olds are embryos.

Re:disgusting and deplorable (3, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330341)

No, the can't. There is exactly no potential that the will become human.

The are the discarded remnants from in vitro fertilization.
But due to willful ignorance, and the arrogance to shove that ignorance down everyone's throat, federal funding in the US was cut. Undermining one of the potential biggest medical innovation of all time as well as putting the US innovators 10 years behind.

Re:disgusting and deplorable (1)

Pezbian (1641885) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330537)

But at least we're not going to hell~ /We're already there and I've got an arm caught in the handbasket weave.

Re:disgusting and deplorable (4, Informative)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330907)

Looks like I needed to use the sarcasm HTML tag. I thought I was extravagant enough not to need it...

Re:disgusting and deplorable (2)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#40331045)

I thought I was extravagant enough not to need it...

I can understand how you might think so, but there are just too many kooks out there making even more extreme statements in sincerity.

Re:disgusting and deplorable (4, Informative)

petman (619526) | more than 2 years ago | (#40331173)

The are the discarded remnants from in vitro fertilization.

What are you talking about? The stem cells used in the kid's treatment came from her own bone marrow.

Re:disgusting and deplorable (2)

Sarius64 (880298) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330717)

Sorry, I'll never consider you human.

Re:disgusting and deplorable (1)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330933)

That's ok, I like to think of myself as more of a Noldor Elf.

Re:disgusting and deplorable (0)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330357)

"The free market would have done a much better job."
demonstrably false. The US is behind in this are because we removed federal funding for this research. The free market did not step up.

Re:disgusting and deplorable (1)

ganjadude (952775) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330487)

no, id say it is slow due to the regulations put in place by the government. No one wants another mengele, but we are way over regulated. You should see the hoops you have to jump through simply as a document management system in the medical field, let alone the actual medical equipment

Re:disgusting and deplorable (1)

Darth_brooks (180756) | more than 2 years ago | (#40331127)

At least some of those regulations, as they pertain to stem cell research, are put in place by a cadre of puppet^H^H^H bureaucrats who have been ordered to believe by their cash handler^H^H^H 'constituents' (wink wink) that STEM CELLS == MOAR ABORTIONS.

Re:disgusting and deplorable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330969)

For someone apparently aware of the existence of snark, you really do not seem to get it...

Re:disgusting and deplorable (3, Informative)

tomhath (637240) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330359)

You mean like the $30+ billion the US spends on medical research? [nih.gov] Oh wait, that doesn't count because it's funded by taxpayers in the evil country you hate so much.

Re:disgusting and deplorable (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330629)

The points were

1) Only in America do you get a large contingent of people whining about this public expenditure;

2) America's stem cell research is particularly broken thanks to a strong retard lobby group further diminishing public funding;

3) To bait some kneejerk Americunt like yourself who obviously choked on his own foreskin when yet another stupid private medical procedure was performed.

Re:disgusting and deplorable (3, Insightful)

melted (227442) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330641)

Someone needs to fund research into gene therapy which would help folks detect sarcasm better.

Re:disgusting and deplorable (4, Informative)

Darth_brooks (180756) | more than 2 years ago | (#40331231)

There's medical research, then there's stem cell research. "Medical Research" into the next generation of viagra or lipitor is easy as pie to get funded. Drugs like that solve profitable problems, and don't piss off people with the "My Jesus is better than your Jesus" agenda.

I work for a top five engineering university. Our Biomed Engineering programs (which tend to lean more towards the "Med" side rather than the "engineering" side, but there's definite overlap) are having problems because the state politicians have decided to go sticking their noses into how research dollars can be spent re: stem cells. Prospective faculty are looking elsewhere, and existing research is having to walk a very fine line with the research they can do out of the very real fears that they'll have their funding pulled (or worse). It's a hamstring-ing that we didn't need.

I'm pretty convinced that if you could find a stem-cell based method of getting a 68 year old state senator a extra two inches of cock, or at least a regular hard-on, we'd have solid gold toilets and flying cars to carry us around campus by the end of the week. Instead we get bible thumpers that represent 500 people from West-Buttfuckia who pool together with like-lettered pals and get themselves convinced that unless they bravely throw themselves in front of us, we'll be shoving babies into blenders. Facts? Who needs them? My major donor's friend's pastor heard that stem cell research causes abortion rates to go up 783%!

Yeah, I'm bitter.

This is an outrage! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330193)

No tie-in to 3D printers or "private" space?? Slashdot is slipping!!

Steam Cells :-) (1)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330367)

This is why Steam Cell research and Steam Cell usage is a good thing! So to all the opposition to it, how about you walk up to this girl and tell her that she should be dead because it's bad!

Re:Steam Cells :-) (1)

ganjadude (952775) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330497)

steam cell research? is that the squeal to counterstrike?

Re:Steam Cells :-) (1)

ganjadude (952775) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330531)

stupid autocorrect sequel

Re:Steam Cells :-) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330513)

This is why Steam Cell research and Steam Cell usage is a good thing! So to all the opposition to it, how about you walk up to this girl and tell her that she should be dead because it's bad!

Dude, you're confused. It's stem cells that are the good ones. Steam cells usually go cancerous pretty quickly, and even when they don't, they prevent reproduction and require all sorts of arbitrary environmental conditions to work correctly. They really are pretty awful.

This FP fo8 GNAA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330623)

Q'I have to kiil To get some eye

Abomination (0, Flamebait)

Swampash (1131503) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330653)

If God wanted this child to live, he wouldn't have made her sick. I for one condemn this unchristian interference with nature.

Re:Abomination (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330805)

Go back to your cave and STFU

Re:Abomination (3, Insightful)

viperidaenz (2515578) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330989)

If god wanted this child to live he wouldn't have created stem cells and blessed the doctors with the knowledge to perform the procedure.

Somewhere, a liberal sheds a tear (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330681)

for the fetuses that weren't killed to accomplish this feat.

What stem cell could be like without christians. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330825)

Everytime I hear of something really cool being done with stem cell research I cant help but wonder what we could be doing with it right now if the fucking christians didnt cock block it for like 2 decades because they are small minded peons.

Re:What stem cell could be like without christians (-1, Flamebait)

Sarius64 (880298) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330995)

I agree. First off we should track down fucksticks like yourself so willing to offer someone else up for the slaughter because we sure as shit do not need you.

Oh look (4, Insightful)

iceperson (582205) | more than 2 years ago | (#40330903)

another Slashdot article not about embryonic stem cells where the masses get confused and show their ignorance and anti-American prejudice...

Re:Oh look (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40330985)

another Slashdot article not about embryonic stem cells where the masses get confused and show their ignorance and anti-American prejudice...

Thank you for noticing. So many people tream stem cells like too, to, and two. They aren't aware that there is a difference.

Re:Oh look (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40331123)

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ADULT stem cells (2)

xaotikdesigns (2662531) | more than 2 years ago | (#40331053)

One thing I always notice, is that anytime there is an advance, it's always adult stem cells, they never say that they are adult stem cells though.

In the same way that they always say that the right wing wants to ban stem cell research, leaving off the fetal part.

Re:ADULT stem cells (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40331083)

Embryonic you mean?

And the right wing DID ban embryonic stem cell research. Wait why am I bothering....if someone is willing to post this ignorance, there is no convincing no matter what the facts are.

Re:ADULT stem cells (1)

howardd21 (1001567) | more than 2 years ago | (#40331161)

What was ignorant? Other than an erroneous reference to fetal instead of embryonic, what part of what that OP said was ignorant?

Re:ADULT stem cells (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40331235)

"In the same way that they always say that the right wing wants to ban stem cell research"

They in fact succeeded in banning embryonic stem cell research. Hence, ignorance. And you must lack reading comprehension as this was already said in the post you replied to.

Re:ADULT stem cells (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40331267)

Exactly, also the guy framed embryonic stem cells as fetal(fetuses are closer to being human than embryos). Then he frames the right as only "wanting" to ban stem cell research. Nothing in his post was framed legitimately. To do so is a concerted effort powered by ignorance.

Re:ADULT stem cells (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40331315)

Actually, you're the one with the reading comprehension problem as you're making the point for the OP. He said that people always accuse the right wing of banning all stem cell research, when it's only [embryonic] stem cell research they've banned (and note that they've only banned government funding of such research, not the ability for private groups to engage in it). The right wingers are quite happy to see advances using "adult" stem cells, since they have no moral qualms about them, as opposed to a medical approach that requires an abortion.

Bone Marrow!? (1)

CobaltBlueDW (899284) | more than 2 years ago | (#40331055)

Did I miss something? I was under the impression that there have been multiple experiments converting average cells into stem cells. Was there a conversation at some point like, "Well I suppose we could learn how to make a stem cell bath, OR we could just subject this girl to excruciating pain. To be fair, she's likely already be in a lot of pain, so it wouldn't be THAT much worse..."

Re:Bone Marrow!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40331103)

Yes you missed something.

This will never work (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40331079)

This obviously won't work! Only fetal stem cells will ever work properly. Didn't we have 1000's of hours on the news about this? How could there be progress unless we were grinding up babies for their stem cells? There was almost wall-to-wall newscasts telling us that if only the US would fund fetal stem cells, then Christopher Reeve would be able to walk again (which persisted long after he died). The only hope for any cures required setting up government-paid-for baby grinders everywhere.

So, stop this nonsense, kill some babies, and then maybe this kid will have some hope. Or, if she's young enough, just run her through one of the grinders.

Frankenvein? (1)

hyperenator (1881450) | more than 2 years ago | (#40331139)

"...first took 9 cm vein segment from a dead man and stripped all living cells "... "The new graft was then put in the girl's body two weeks later." Can we call it Frankenvein?
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