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Android 4.0 Upgrade For Sony Xperia Smartphones Opens a Pandora Box

timothy posted about a year ago | from the upgrade-treadmill dept.

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First time accepted submitter ctrl-alt-canc writes "The udpdate to Android ICS offered for free by Sony to the Xperia smarphone users has caused plenty of troubles. Not only the decision by Sony of not updating Xperia Play phones to ICS caused rage among customers, but those who were lucky to get an upgrade for their smartphones discovered that WiFi connection did not work anymore. Up to now, the only suggestion proposed by Sony to fix the problem is to turn off the encryption, and reboot the smartphone and the access point."

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It's not a bug, it's a feature! (-1, Troll)

Proteus Cortex (2511824) | about a year ago | (#40347421)

"We just did it to make you open your wi-fi to the world, so everyone can have access using your internet connection! :P

Re:It's not a bug, it's a feature! (-1, Redundant)

Proteus Cortex (2511824) | about a year ago | (#40347433)

"We just did it to make you open your wi-fi to the world, so everyone can have access using your internet connection! :P

"

Re:It's not a bug, it's a feature! (-1, Troll)

IShallScrewYourAss (2663877) | about a year ago | (#40347773)

Nearly four months ago, I noticed that my internet connection was very sluggish. Eventually getting fed up with it, I began to seek out software that would speed up the gigabits in my router. After an hour of searching, I found what at first appeared to be a very promising piece of software. Not only did it claim it would speed up my internet connection, but that it would overclock my power supply, speed up my gigabits, and remove any viruses from my computer! "This is a fantastic opportunity that I simply can't pass up," I thought. I immediately downloaded the software and began the installation, all the while laughing like a small child. I was highly anticipating a future where the speed of my internet connection would leave everyone else's in the dust.

I was horribly, horribly naive. Immediately upon the completion of the software's installation, various messages popped up on my screen about how I needed to buy software to remove a virus that I wasn't aware I had from a software company I'd never once heard of. The strange software also blocked me from doing anything except buying the software it was advertising. Being that I was a computer whiz (I had taken a computer essentials class in high school that taught me how to use Microsoft Office, and was quite adept at accessing my Facebook account), I was immediately able to conclude that the software I'd downloaded was, in fact, a virus, and that it was slowing down my gigabits at an exponential rate. "I can't let this insanity proceed any further," I thought.

As I was often called a computer genius, I was confident at the time that I could get rid of the virus with my own two hands. I tried numerous things: restarting the computer, pressing random keys on the keyboard, throwing the mouse across the room, and even flipping an orange switch on the back of the tower and turning the computer back on. My efforts were all in vain; the virus persisted, and my gigabits were running slower than ever! "This cannot be! What is this!? I've never once seen such a vicious virus in my entire life!" I was dumbfounded that I, a computer genius, was unable to remove the virus using the methods I described. Upon coming to terms with my failure, I decided to take my computer to a PC repair shop for repair.

I drove to a nearby computer repair shop and entered the building with my computer in hand. The inside of the building was quite large, neat, and organized, and the employees all seemed very kind and knowledgeable. They laughed upon hearing my embarrassing story, and told me that they saw this kind of thing on a daily basis. They then accepted the job, and told me that in the worst case, it'd be fixed in three days from now. I left with a smile, and felt confident in my decision to leave the computer repairs to the experts.

A week later, they still hadn't called back. Visibly angry, I tried calling them countless times, but not a single time did they answer the phone. Their negligence and irresponsibility infuriated me, and sent me into a state of insanity that caused me to punch a gigantic hole in the wall. Being that I would require my computer for work soon, I decided to head over to the computer repair shop to find out exactly what the problem was.

Upon entering the building, I was shocked by the state of its interior; it looked as if a tornado had tore through the entire building! Countless broken computers were scattered all about the floor, desks were flipped over, the walls had holes in them, there was a puddle of blood on the floor, and worst of all, I saw that my computer was sitting in the middle of the room laying on its side! Absolutely unforgivable! I soon noticed one of the employees sitting behind one of the tipped over desks (the one that had previously had the cash register on top of it); he was shaking uncontrollably and sobbing. Despite being furious about my computer being tipped over, seeing him in that state still managed to make me less unforgiving. I decided to ask him what happened.

A few moments passed where the entire room was silent and nothing was said. Eventually, he pointed at my computer and said to me, "The virus... it cannot be stopped! Cannot be stopped! Cannot be stopped!" Realizing that he was trying to tell me that they were unable to repair my computer (the task I'd given them), I flew into a blind fury and beat him senseless. Not caring about what would happen to him any longer, I collected my computer, ignored the bodies of the two other employees that had committed suicide, and left the building. After a few moments of pondering about what to do and clearing my head, I theorized that their failure to repair my computer probably simply meant that they were unqualified to do the job, and decided to take my computer to another computer repair shop.

I repeated that same process about four times before finally giving up. Each time I took it to a PC repair shop, the result was the same: all the employees either went completely insane, or they committed suicide. Not a single person was able to even do so much as damage the virus. I was able to talk some sense into one of the employees that had gone mad and got them to tell me how they were attempting to fix the problem. They told me that they tried everything from reinstalling the operating system to installing another operating system and trying to get rid of the virus on the other one, but absolutely all of it was to no avail. Having seen numerous attempts by professionals to remove the virus end in failure, I managed to delude myself into believing that my first failure was simply a fluke and that I was the only one on the planet qualified to fix the computer. With renewed vigor, I once again took up the frighteningly dangerous task of defeating the evil, nightmarish virus once and for all with my own two hands.

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This shitty feature !! Up yours, troll !! (-1, Troll)

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Re:It's not a bug, it's a feature! (5, Funny)

SeaFox (739806) | about a year ago | (#40347641)

"We just did it to make you open your wi-fi to the world, so everyone can have access using your internet connection! :P

That way people can pirate our movie and music works on your opwn Wi-Fi. Then we'll send threatening letters to you about this infringement. You'll settle the case without going to court, and we'll profit!"

Re:It's not a bug, it's a feature! (-1, Offtopic)

IRapeAndRapeAndRape (2663879) | about a year ago | (#40347789)

About eight months ago, I was searching around the internet to find out why my computer was running so slowly (it normally ran quite fast, but had gradually gotten slower over time). After a few minutes, I found a piece of software claiming that it could speed up my PC and make it run like new again. Being that I was dangerously ignorant about technology in general (even more so than I am now), I downloaded the software and began the installation. Mere moments after doing so, my desktop background image was changed and warnings that appeared to originate from Windows appeared all over the screen telling me to buy strange software from an unknown company in order to remove a virus it claimed I had.

I may have been ignorant about technology, but I wasn't that naive. I immediately concluded that the software I'd downloaded was, in fact, a virus. In my rage, I broke numerous objects, punched a hole in the wall, and cursed the world at the top of my lungs. I eventually calmed down, cleared my head, and realized that the only remedy for this problem was a carefully thought out plan. After a few moments of pondering about how to handle this situation, I decided that since I barely knew how to properly handle a computer, I should turn it over to the professionals and let them fix the issue.

Soon after making the decision, I drove to a local computer repair shop and entered the building with my computer in hand. They greeted me with a smile and stayed attentive the entire time that I was explaining the problem to them. They laughed as if they'd heard it all before, told me that I'm not the only one who has trouble operating computers, and then gave me a date for when the computer would be fixed. Not only had they told me that the computer would be completely repaired in at most two days, but the price for their services was surprisingly low, and to top it all off, they even gave me advice for how to avoid viruses in the future! I left the building feeling confident in my decision to seek professional help and satisfied knowing that such kind-hearted people were the ones doing the job.

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But. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40347439)

Android is winning.

Re:But. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40347509)

Troll detected^^^

Just 1 person got the update? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40347455)

I was expecting to see a post with hundreds of outraged customers. Not just 1 guy. I feel cheated.

Re:Just 1 person got the update? (3, Funny)

PPH (736903) | about 2 years ago | (#40347921)

Only one guy has managed to get his Xperia connected to the 'Net so far.

Not Unexpected (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40347457)

This _is_ Sony, right?... Let's see... rootkits, Playstation network security problems... Nope, not surprised.

Re:Not Unexpected (4, Interesting)

icebike (68054) | about 2 years ago | (#40348171)

This _is_ Sony, right?... Let's see... rootkits, Playstation network security problems... Nope, not surprised.

Its not Sony's fault. (Well, its no ONLY Sony's fault).

This is a long standing problem with Android and certain wifi chip sets and ICS. It first reared its head in the Nook first edition
a long time ago, then it disappeared for quite a while only to come back with a vengeance with ICS.

Simply google the words: connecting authenticating obtaining ip loop
  and you will see this is common to a LOT of Android handsets and tablets.

Google search click here. [google.com]

The entire flagship HTC One line has similar problems. Samsung has the same problem, as does ZTE, Achros, Huawei and several others.
Some of these vendors (HTC) have promised fixes (and all have failed to deliver as best as I can tell).

If you fiddle with it long enough it will connect, eventually. Often rebooting your router will work, but you can't always do that.

Often connecting to your neighbor's "guest" network will work, and then subsequently reconnecting to your own network will also work fine.
(especially if said guest account is an open network with no encryption).

Its never a problem of a bad password. Its not something you can fix with a static IP.
The problem is in the actual authentication layer of the wifi connection, before it even gets around to asking for an IP Address.
Seems to affect 802.11G routers more than others. Its not specific to certain router brands.

I've alogcated my self into a stupor and dug thru some of the opensource code.
The only thing I can see is that it appears some token is supposed to be incremented by the handset with each authentication attempt, and it is not
being incremented, so the router disconnects the client. But so much of wpa_suplicant is running in binary blobs that the end user is at a
serious disadvantage trying to dig through this stuff.

I can induce this error at will on my HTC One X, and I can recover from it by simply connecting to an unprotected wifi "guest" account
near by, then wait 30 seconds, and re-connect to my wpa2 secured router. I also solved it by running a spare router with no security
and leaving the router unconnected to anything. I use this for connection, wait 30 seconds, then reconnect to my home router.

Its a major pain. But its not SONY's fault, I suspect its Google's fault or the wifi chipset manufacturer's fault.

Re:Not Unexpected (5, Insightful)

Waccoon (1186667) | about 2 years ago | (#40348481)

This is very good information, but... isn't it Sony's responsibility to test their products before they ship?

Reminds me of all those 1st-gen SSDs powered by JMicron controllers. They studdered and froze the machine constantly while trying to flush the buffer, rendering the whole PC virtually unusable. When I bought an OCZ Apex and had nothing but problems with it, several people yelled at me and told me that I should expect to have problems with such an early, immature product. For long-term reliability, sure, but for extremely obvious problems at launch? Fuck that. I sold that OCZ drive to a Linux junkie who was willing to tweak it until it worked, and got myself a Corsair P128, which is still working flawlessly.

I didn't blame JMicron. Supplier issues are not my problem. I squarely blamed OCZ for not testing their product properly and deciding to ship such a buggy piece of junk.

Strange how smart phones and tablets are far more closed and proprietary than PCs, and manufacturers are still having the same interoperability issues. No, wait... it isn't.

Re:Not Unexpected (3, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | about 2 years ago | (#40348807)

Absolutely the manufacturer's fault.

Considering that every ICS handset manufacturer seems to see this problem, why is anyone releasing any ICS build without testing for this specific issue? Are they so internally focused that they are unaware that this is going on in the market as a whole?

Re:Not Unexpected (2)

humanrev (2606607) | about 2 years ago | (#40348617)

Sounds like the problem my wife's HTC Desire was having with a particular hotel's WiFi network when we were traveling in Europe. Of course, it probably wasn't reasonable for me to ask the hotel manager to reboot their router... could I have? :)

Re:Not Unexpected (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40348785)

Actually, that was probably an issue with TCP Window Scaling being enabled which some routers have problems with. You would have had the same issue in regular Linux or even Windows 7.

Re:Not Unexpected (-1, Offtopic)

noh8rz3 (2593935) | about 2 years ago | (#40349549)

Sounds like the problem my wife's [Sexual] Desire was having with a particular hotel's [bell hop] when we were traveling in Europe. Of course, it probably wasn't reasonable for me to ask the hotel manager to [join us]... could I have? :)

ftfy

Re:Not Unexpected (0, Flamebait)

Tough Love (215404) | about 2 years ago | (#40348671)

I suspect its Google's fault or the wifi chipset manufacturer's fault.

Indeed, it is Google's fault for operating a faux-open project model.

Re:Not Unexpected (0)

aergern (127031) | about 2 years ago | (#40349271)

YOU have no clue what you are talking about. With the exception of a few proprietary packages which are solely related to CDMA auth on VZW's network .. the AOSP is absolutely open source .. you can download all of it so there for it is OPEN source.

Not sure about your methods but you do spew madness and a bit of stupidity.

HTC One and WiFi (1)

bayankaran (446245) | about 2 years ago | (#40349155)

The entire flagship HTC One line has similar problems.

I bought one of the very first HTC One V's in our market three months back - in fact my first Android phone/ smart phone as I was waiting for the technology to become a bit mature and the software / hardware to be polished.

I have ABSOLUTELY NO problems with WiFi. There is a "death grip" issue for HTC One X, but that is not a "chip set" or software / hardware / device driver issue.

And I have been following xda forums and HTC One forums and I cannot find any serious issue with WiFi being discussed. So you are seriously misinformed - at least about HTC One Series.

HTC One V is also a very good phone.

Re:HTC One and WiFi (1)

icebike (68054) | about 2 years ago | (#40349529)

Or, you might actually take the time to click the link I posted and broaden your experience.

Re:Not Unexpected (1)

aergern (127031) | about 2 years ago | (#40349293)

I've been running ICS on my Galaxy Nexus since 9:10AM 12/15/11 ... NEVER have I had an issue with Wifi.

This is absolutely Sony's fault. The hardware THEY choose to use has drivers and should have been tested. It was not. I know quit a few folks who have ICS on various models and it works fine.

Sony chose the chipset maker. Sony put together the ROM. Sony sold the phone. It's Sony's problem. Maybe if Sony .. like many others would take the resources they put toward their UI overlays and ACTUALLY put them towards make a decent, supportable product then things would be fine. I mean seriously .. AOSP GAVE them the tools and the OS .. the rest is up to them. It is neither Google nor Android's fault that the cobbler (Sony) fucked up the product.

This is not Googles fault nor Android's fault but Sony's fault. PERIOD. End of story .. that's all she wrote.

Re:Not Unexpected (1)

icebike (68054) | about 2 years ago | (#40349555)

As I stated, this happens on a wide variety of handset from multiple makers. Are those all Sony's fault too?

Just because your device hasn't exhibited this does not mean that all those others posting about it are lying.

Climb down off your pedestal hot shot.

Re:Not Unexpected (2)

longk (2637033) | about 2 years ago | (#40349565)

Of course it's Sony's fault. Nobody forced Sony to use this specific WiFi chipset, nor did anyone force Sony to use or update to Android 4. Not to mention that Sony can be expected to have the engineering capabilities to fix some WiFi drivers. Finally, if this is such a well-known issue, Sony should have warned it's users before upgrading.

Thanks for the background information, which is useful, but it in no way excuses so for crippling people's devices.

Someone doesn't understand what a pandoras box is. (5, Informative)

man_of_mr_e (217855) | about a year ago | (#40347465)

If it opened a pandoras box, then all hell on earth would break out.. all manner of terrible things would be unleashed upon the world.

Having a few problems with your phone is not a pandoras box.. at best, you could say it opened a can of worms.

Re:Someone doesn't understand what a pandoras box (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40347495)

But the worms in my can are too low to escape.

Yeah. Now where is your analogy?

Re:Someone doesn't understand what a pandoras box (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40347853)

Any decent brand of canned worms should come thoroughly cooked and peeled and packed in a light worm syrup, with no danger of escape anyway.

Re:Someone doesn't understand what a pandoras box (-1, Troll)

garcia (6573) | about a year ago | (#40347545)

Depends on how you look at it I guess. If my Android phone wasn't working, I'd go to the iPhone. To diehard Linux and free software fans that would be tantamount to, "all manner of terrible things would be unleashed upon the world."

It all just depends on your perspective ;-)

Re:Someone doesn't understand what a pandoras box (-1, Offtopic)

YourAssNeedsARaping (2663881) | about a year ago | (#40347815)

Around a year ago, I was mindlessly surfing the internet (as I often do) when I came across an enigmatic web page. The page, which looked like a warning from my web browser, informed me that I had a virus installed on my computer and that to fix it, I should install a strange anti-virus program that I'd never heard of (which I found peculiar considering the fact that I already had anti-virus software installed on my computer). Despite having reservations about installing it, I did so anyway (since it appeared to be a legitimate warning).

I cannot even fathom what I was thinking at that time. Soon after attempting to install the so-called anti-virus software, my desktop background image changed into a large red warning sign, warnings about malware began making appearances all over the screen, and a strange program I'd never seen before began nagging me to buy a program to remove the viruses. What should have been obvious previously then became clear to me: that software was a virus. Frustrated by my own stupidity, I began tossing objects around the room and cursing at no one in particular.

After I calmed down, I reluctantly took my computer to a local PC repair shop and steeled myself for the incoming fee. When I entered, I noticed that there were four men working there, and all of them seemed incredibly nice (the shop itself was clean and stylish, too). After I described the situation to them, they gave me a big smile (as if they'd seen and heard it all before), accepted the job, and told me that the computer would be working like new again in a few days. At the time, I was confident that their words held a great degree of truth to them.

The very next day, while I was using a local library's computer and browsing the internet, I came across a website dedicated to a certain piece of software. It claimed that it could fix up my PC and make it run like new again. I knew, right then, merely from viewing a single page on the website, that it was telling the truth. I cursed myself for not discovering this excellent piece of software before I had taken my PC to the PC repair shop. "It would've saved me money. Oh, well. I'm sure they'll get the job done just fine. I can always use this software in the future to conserve money." Those were my honest thoughts at the time.

Two days later, my phone rang after I returned home from work. I immediately was able to identify the number: it was the PC repair shop's phone number. Once I answered, something strange occurred; the one on the other end of the line spoke, in a small, tormented voice, "Return. Return. Return. Return. Return." No matter what I said to him, he would not stop repeating that one word. Unsettled by this odd occurrence, I traveled to the PC repair shop to find out exactly what happened.

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Re:Someone doesn't understand what a pandoras box (-1, Offtopic)

X0563511 (793323) | about 2 years ago | (#40348805)

Someone needs to get Anonymous pissed off at these fools.

Re:Someone doesn't understand what a pandoras box (0)

ifwm (687373) | about 2 years ago | (#40348391)

If my Android phone wasn't working

Except is is working, so your observation is really irrelevant.

A few features are buggy, one would have to be openly lying to claim the "phone doesn't work".

Re:Someone doesn't understand what a pandoras box (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40347571)

A barrel of monkeys?

Someone doesn't know what a can of worms is (3, Insightful)

tooyoung (853621) | about a year ago | (#40347811)

Opening a can of worms would mean that there is an open can containing worms. I don't believe that is the situation.

Re:Someone doesn't understand what a pandoras box (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40347907)

I always thought Pandora's box was what she kept between her thighs! :) Her soft, sweet, wet, little pink box...

Seriously though... this doesn't impact me, as I long ago decided Android was shit, just like iOS, realized that tablet computing is a wonderful way to ensure endless headaches and annoyance and frustration, for the privilege of getting to smear a display with fingerprints, sold my Android based junk devices, and went back to using my real computer. My phone is a flip phone, doesn't run either of those POS OS's, and I'm happy to report that when I need my phone to be a phone, that's exactly what it is, not a computer masquerading as a fucking phone. Also, the battery goes over a week without me recharging it. My MP3 player is a separate device, and though because the battery is nothing like as capacious as my phone's, I only charge it about every other day, depending on use.

I am glad I was able to find that there are enough people like me still out there, who don't want all-in-one devices that when one thing goes wrong, you lose ALL your functionality, to make it economical for some companies to continue to produce individual MP3 players, phones that are just phones, etc. Don't believe me? See what happens when one of these people who only have an iPhone or iFad loses his or her device. He or she will also lose his or her shit, because all his or her shit was on the device, and he or she can't do shit without it. Shit.

So as for Sony, I pity the fool who uses anything made by Sony that requires software. The only things made by Sony I'll buy anymore are things like a stereo system, or headphones. I don't (and won't) own a PlayStation or PlayPortable, or whatever they're calling it, a Vaio, or whatever, no matter how much fucking obvious product placement they do with them in movies and TV... I like their stereos, that's about IT.

So good luck y'all, enjoy your fragmented, temperamental, pain-in-the-ass toy computers.

Re:Someone doesn't understand what a pandoras box (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | about 2 years ago | (#40348217)

For a company that geeks already hate pissing off the customers of your flagship phone and then having that fact announced in the media across the world kind of does fit the definition of all manner of terrible things being unlashed upon their world, the Sony world.

Also this has been common and accepted use of the phrase in the media for a long time now.

Re:Someone doesn't understand what a pandoras box (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40349575)

A Pandoras box scenario may not involve the end of the world, but merely bad things we can't really get rid of again.

One contemporary example could software patents. They are there, and if they are ever invalidated, corporations will demand restitution to the point where it could bankrupt the state..

LT18 WiFi works on LT15 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40347467)

LT18 WiFi works on LT15

I have an Xperia Arc (LT15) but have flashed on the Xperia Arc S (LT18) without any issues to WiFi.

Re:LT18 WiFi works on LT15 (3, Insightful)

Shrubbman (3807) | about 2 years ago | (#40347823)

LT18 WiFi works on LT15 I have an Xperia Arc (LT15) but have flashed on the Xperia Arc S (LT18) without any issues to WiFi.

I've got an unlocked Arc (LT15) myself and Sony pushed out the ICS update for me two weeks ago. Wi-fi works perfectly. Maybe part of the reason they decided to hold back the update for the Play was because they knew it might bork the wi-fi... any time you flash unofficial firmware you're taking your chances without a safety net.

This is news? (2, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#40347469)

Has Sony ever been anything but miserable at software?

Re:This is news? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40347601)

That seems to be fairly common for Japanese tech firms, build really great hardware, and then completely fuck it up with poorly designed and buggy software. I've loved all my Creative MP3 players, but the software to go with them is complete crap.

It's a shame to take hardware that's better than Apple's and then hobble it with terrible software. Software that they have to be able to do better than.

Re:This is news? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40348483)

Creative isn't a Japanese company.

I also seem to remember something about Apple ripping off Creative's UI for the iPod.

wait, what? ppl are buying Sony stuff still? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40347473)

Didn't we learn our lesson from the last N rounds of user-hostile actions taken by Sony?

Who in their right mind buys Sony gear any more, after them suing their customers, removing advertised features from products after you bought them, root-kitting people's PCs, leaking your private data to the whole world, etc etc?

Seriously? People are STILL buying from Sony? Why on earth would anyone want to encourage their behaviour?

Re:wait, what? ppl are buying Sony stuff still? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40347667)

For the last time... most people don't give a fuck about DRM or any of the other geek culture shit. If people were really so well motivated do you think we'd be in the political situation we've been in the past few decades?

People are lazy ass bitches when it comes right down to it.

Re:wait, what? ppl are buying Sony stuff still? (0)

aergern (127031) | about 2 years ago | (#40349259)

You should then stop reading /. since it IS FUCKING THE geek culture. Fucking troll.

Re:wait, what? ppl are buying Sony stuff still? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40347679)

My last sony product was PS1.

Re:wait, what? ppl are buying Sony stuff still? (3, Insightful)

v1 (525388) | about a year ago | (#40347685)

Who in their right mind buys Sony gear any more

Sadly, despite them kicking us in the junk all the time, they do make a lot of superior products.

My most recent purchase was a PS3, not for the games, for the bluray player. The first one I bought was complete garbage. And was pleasantly surprised to find I could stream movies from my extensive video library on my computer too.

But that's probably why they're abusive and still around, there are enough people that tolerate the abuse because they otherwise have the best product.

Re:wait, what? ppl are buying Sony stuff still? (3, Informative)

Tough Love (215404) | about 2 years ago | (#40348733)

My most recent purchase was a PS3, not for the games, for the bluray player.

Which has a nasty habit of ramping up its power supply fan to take-off speeds about 30 minutes into a movie and staying that way until powered off, sounding much like a vacuum cleaner with a wad a paper stuck in the nozzle. I don't know about you, but that's a killer flaw from where I sit.

Re:wait, what? ppl are buying Sony stuff still? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40347927)

I still buy Sony stuff if it doesn't have any software in it. Otherwise, no fucking way.

Re:wait, what? ppl are buying Sony stuff still? (3, Insightful)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | about 2 years ago | (#40348431)

I compared Sony to a beautiful but abusive ex a few years ago. You swear you'll never talk to her again but a year goes by and you run into her at the mall and she's looking hot. Dinner seems safe enough. Public place and all. One thing leads to another...

Someone pointed out that /.ers don't know what it's like to have a hot ex and I should stick to car analogies.

I've sworn off Sony a couple of times but then they put out a product with the perfect mix of features and price so I make an exception "just this one time".

Re:wait, what? ppl are buying Sony stuff still? (1)

kamenr (67603) | about 2 years ago | (#40349063)

>Why on earth would anyone want to encourage their behaviour

Sony is now effectively a financial services (insurance) company, so it doesn't matter what happens with hardware. It's kind of a loss leader for them, like the Macintosh hardware at Apple.

Quoth Gruber... (2)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about a year ago | (#40347535)

Because android is open.

Re:Quoth Gruber... (1)

busyqth (2566075) | about a year ago | (#40347735)

Exactly!

That's what I came here to point out. This is no time for whining, griping, teeth-grinding.
This is the time for real hackers to get in there and fix the problem! After all, that's what open source is all about!

So no complaining, no misplaced hacker rage, just lift up your head, let your neckbeard jut out proudly, suck in the cheetos-gut, make sure mom hasn't moved and/or turned off the wifi router, and get hacking!

Re:Quoth Gruber... (2)

VMSBIGOT (933292) | about 2 years ago | (#40348183)

Because the last time someone hacked a Sony product it ended up swell for him...

No, wait, it was a horrible, horrible mess that paved the way to having such a bad public image that when your network is pwned the collective response wasn't of outrage, but of a giant "Ha-Haa!!!" (in Nelson's voice, of course).

The issue is that consumers have a stupidly short memory when it comes to pain. How many times have you gotten called to fix a computer for someone, clean out the massive amount of porn related viruses/Trojans and get called back a week later for the same issue? Doesn't matter how many times you tell someone don't go to those sites, they still do. Why? It's because they forget the pain of losing all their crap and want the rewards of porn. Doesn't help there that it's related to a biological urge, but still.

Long term the whole PSN hacking issue will probably end up making Sony money. If anything, it brought them into the news and made them seem relevant at the time Apple and Nintendo were still getting a lot of press on their products.

People don't care. I myself have a Sony HD TV. Got it as a throw away from a friend who got it replaced due to Sony's faulty 3LCD projection light engine. A little cleaning and a replacement with some optical filter glass and its good as new. Same with the PS3 I have. The Blu-ray drive is dead, but works awesomely as a media player. Since it's on a private network dedicated to just media systems at home, it never gets on PSN. I have avoided updating it so it still runs Linux if I want, but generally I have such a low tolerance of their products that I really don't mess with it. I stream video using PS3Media Server and it works well doing what I want it to do.

I've had 3 Sony receivers. All died in a time frame that I consider short (but of course longer then the warranty period). I had a Sony stereo in my car. Even after having it replaced by Best Buy, it still skipped and had a 'tinny' sound to the music. MP3 playback was garbage. Add the TV, the 100% of my friends who had to replace their PS3 (ok, it's only 3 friends who own one, and all 3 had to replace, but still; compared to the 30% of my friends who have 360's and had to replace them, but on Microsoft's dime, not theirs) and you start seeing a trend of declining quality. I grew up with a father who told me "You can buy better, but you at least got a Sony". It probably is the reason that I have taken the abuse as long as I have. I'm sure I will have Sony products in my house and will continue to consume media/entertainment made in part by them, but will never choose a Sony product over a comparable product again.

They are now "Oh man, I had to get a Sony".

Re:Quoth Gruber... (2)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about 2 years ago | (#40348341)

Doesn't matter how many times you tell someone don't go to those sites, they still do. Why?

Im going to save you a lot of pain and hassle and explain to you why your acquaintances keep getting viruses, because you dont really understand it.

Theyre getting viruses because they have out of date {plugin | browser} and are visiting {any website with ads}. People get viruses from facebook, because facebook has ads, and every ad is untrusted content from who knows where that can launch and exploit any vulnerable plugin.

Want to keep them from getting viruses? Stop yelling at them to be clairvoyant about which sites have bad content, and update their plugins. Your approach is not fixing the issue, its just instructing them to hide from exploits that they shouldnt be vulnerable to. If you want to REALLY make this easy, install Chrome and tell them to use that on pain of death; it autoupdates itself and its plugins, and blocks old/vulnerable plugins, so its about as foolproof a way as possible to stop exploits from rooting their machines.

Re:Quoth Gruber... (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about 2 years ago | (#40348821)

Except for the fact that the problem is in a binary firmware blob, that we can't really do much with.

Re:Quoth Gruber... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40348707)

And Android uses Java which is perfectly cross-platform, portable, and awesome... Except that it isn't.

News at nine (4, Interesting)

slack_justyb (862874) | about a year ago | (#40347547)

Sony sucks at proper software upgrades.

The real problem is that Sony totally blew at testing the WPA stack before release. This isn't altogether hard to fix, but it's time that could be taken away from their next great phone they want you to buy. Android vendors are hit and miss on this upgrade thing. Some vendors are really amazing at providing updates and some just blow. Being able to root one's phone is the only real salvation. So I don't think this deserves the hype to author is putting into this, Sony sucks, is there anyone of us surprised by this? Will they fix it? Who knows, maybe, however this is yet another reminder that this mobile stuff is still pretty new shit. Tread with caution.

Re:News at nine (3, Interesting)

thegarbz (1787294) | about 2 years ago | (#40348261)

Indeed, it's not just Sony, and this is one real benefit Apple has. Control over the one device and the software roll-out provide for a consistent upgrade experience. Also because Apple have a centralised user base (i.e. one upgrade that doesn't work will likely piss off ALL their customers) they have more incentive to test upgrades properly.

My big stink was still with Samsung. The Galaxy S was a wonderful bit of hardware in its time, but Android ran on it so slowly that some apps were thought to have crashed by the system. The problem was identified really early on in the 2.1 releases by xda-developers who offered a quick fix (they called it the lag-fix). It was a poor choice of a file system and a poor kernel drivers for it. The fix was as easy as converting the system to ext3. Yet Samsung rolled out 2.2 and it was still slow, 2.3 and it was still slow, 2.4 and it was better but still slow compared to the xda fix.

The phone ran amazingly with Cyanogen mod, and frankly the only reason I would buy from Samsung again is that the hardware has been great and the bootloaders aren't locked. Actually quite the opposite they must have one of the most easy to flash phones out there.

Re:News at nine (1)

DMUTPeregrine (612791) | about 2 years ago | (#40348923)

I still have a Galaxy S (T-mobile Vibrant) and it's still a good phone. The GPS chipset bad (it only gets a lock after being rebooted, and that prevents it from going into deep sleep. Still haven't figured that one out after hours of combing through the source) but I get about 30 hours battery life with moderate to heavy usage on the original battery. If I leave it on idle it lasts nearly 3 days. It's overclocked to 1.3 ghz, I've added a front-facing camera, and of course am running ICS. It's quite fast, and I will buy from any manufacturer that puts out good unlocked hardware. I'm not likely to be running their software for any longer than it takes to flash CM or AOKP, so I don't care about such issues. That said, I'm no Samsung loyalist, I'll use whatever phone has the hardware I want and is supported by Cyanogen.

WTB Actual Editor (3, Informative)

iceborer (684929) | about a year ago | (#40347561)

Android 4.0 Upgrade For Sony Xperia Smarphones Opens a Pandora Box

It's a smartphone, ffs, and the box is Pandora's.

I'm beyond even thinking about asking Slashdot to edit; I know that's too much to ask for. Could you at least run a fucking spell check?

Re:WTB Actual Editor (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40347627)

And udpdate instead of update...

Re:WTB Actual Editor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40349093)

And udpdate instead of update...

That's what comes of using UDP instead of TCP.

Re:WTB Actual Editor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40348837)

Please to be dealing with it.

Re:WTB Actual Editor (0)

MisterSquid (231834) | about 2 years ago | (#40349391)

Android 4.0 Upgrade For Sony Xperia Smarphones Opens a Pandora Box

It's a smartphone, ffs, and the box is Pandora's.

I thought "Smarphones" were phones used by Smarphs.

Happy hippo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40347587)

I upgraded mine and im happy as can be. All working nicely :D

Wait, I think I get it (2)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | about a year ago | (#40347615)

When geeks, gamers, and other people who are interested in technology buy from Sony, it's like when a wealthy, 80-year-old Jewish businessman goes to a high-priced dominatrix who will dress up in an SS uniform, shove a ball gag in his mouth, and...

.... well, no, that doesn't explain it either. Never mind.

Anyone else got any ideas as to why people keep giving their money to these jackasses?

To be fair iOS had this too (1)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#40347707)

With iOS 4 and some wifi access points. At work I could never get my 3GS to work with ios 3 or 4

Re:To be fair iOS had this too (2)

busyqth (2566075) | about a year ago | (#40347807)

That was because of broken wireless access points.
It's a completely different situation.

Have There Ever Been Good Updates From Sony? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40347775)

Aren't updates from Sony almost always related to shutting off features or disabling jailbreaks or crippling functionality that they perceive as a threat? Has Sony ever released an update (and left it in place) that opened up their products or added some great free feature that was met with applause by customers? What was it?

The real lesson here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40347793)

The real lesson here is to never never purchase any tech with the "hope" that it will be upgraded.

When you buy something, buy the item that has the features that you want. Don't count of the manufacturer's claim that they will update it "soon". Don't count on a community of users to fix problems or provide updates after the manufacturer abandons the product. Carefully consider the product and its features and problems as they exist at the time you purchase the product. Chances are that is what you will end up with for the life of the product.

Re:The real lesson here (1)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | about 2 years ago | (#40347957)

Well, you can count on a company's track record, to some extend. Apple will often update old iPhones (sans most new features), most others will only update flagship devices once (though the Nexus line is sort of a LTS release and such devices receive more updates), Sony will mess it up and/or remove old features you had, while suing you, your family, your dog and leaving a bag of shit on your doorstep.

Double strandards (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40347885)

Meanwhile my WP7 phone (like all phones running Windows Phone) is up-to-date running silky smooth.

And yet slashdot continues to make posts about how terrible WP is and how great Android is.

Re:Double strandards (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40348163)

Meanwhile my WP7 phone (like all phones running Windows Phone) is up-to-date running silky smooth.

And yet slashdot continues to make posts about how terrible WP is and how great Android is.

It's based on the POS archaic Windows CE kernel. Of course it's a piece of shit.

Re:Double strandards (0)

cbhacking (979169) | about 2 years ago | (#40348553)

The hilarious thing is, you're wrong *twice* in two completely different ways.

First of all, CE is hardly archaic. It originally came out in the mid 90s. The NT, Linux, and Mach kernels are are all years older. Although it was designed much more limited than those others, CE served its purpose quite well enough for the time.

Second, CE7 (which is the closest documented thing to the WP7 kernel) bears almost no resemblence to prior versions of CE except for the API. They're re-written the memory manager (removing the per-process RAM limit and process number limits) and added a full accounts-and-permissions-based security system. I'm sure there are a number of other improvements too, but those strike me as the biggest problems CE had, and they're gone. WP7 also appears have better reliability than any prior CE-based consumer OS that I know of, which might also be due to kernel changes.

Re:Double strandards (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40349481)

I would counter by saying that regardless of how its evolved it's still based on the antiquated, archaic, inadequate and inefficient Windows CE kernel. Much like the Windows code is still built upon a foundation of cruft ridden legacy code. This explains why they're replacing the kernel in the next iteration of their phones. Unfortunately, they're gong to have to tell the 1-2% that actually bought their Kin 2.0 phone that it's now obsolete.

Re:Double strandards (0)

VMSBIGOT (933292) | about 2 years ago | (#40348319)

I have an Android phone and a Windows Mobile 6 phone. Granted, I don't run many things on the WMP6 device, but I can tell you that when I need to make a call, it is the phone I reach for 100% of the time. Better call quality, less random reboots, and overall it works better as a phone. I sync it automatically so I have no fear of losing it besides getting stuck buying a newer phone.

I did quite a bit of travel with it and loved it. Since I am with a non-national carrier, when I am away from my home state I don't have a preferred tower, I grab whatever I can get from at&t, us cellular or T-Mobile. I loved being able to walk into the NYC or Boston subway system talking on my phone while getting angry glances from iPhone/Android users with their nice shiny brick.

Now, I've had this phone since mid 2007, and have never once deleted a text message (minus spam) and my pm.vol file (backing store for text messages) was somewhere around 120MB last I looked. Text messaging functionality sometimes gets slow and can take 30 seconds or so for the message to open. Having been through two long term relationships over the life of the phone with women who loved to text has a lot to do with that, but I place the same value in the old messages as I do photos.

Net of it is that I really want a new WM7 phone because I think the interface is better (I use a 360 and have Win8 preview running on my laptop) and want the connectivity it gives me to my other entertainment devices (phone, Xbox , PC). I'm sure the SmartGlass feature will work on my Android device at some point, but also am sure that it will be flakey, inconsistent and overall useless. I hate my touch keyboard on it, and honestly would use the keypad for the 360 before my phone to input text.

Long term, any bets on if Nokia becomes the vendor of choice for Windows 8 tablets? I can see the WM7 app market growing rapidly with the cross development from the PC market and Nokia is really positioned nicely right now for the benefits of that.

Who Provides Upgrades? (4, Insightful)

rueger (210566) | about 2 years ago | (#40348071)

Maybe I'm just spoiled by Linux, but it really irritated me that Telus (in Canada) (aka one-third of the oligopoly that controls all cel phones in the country) took months to upgrade my Google branded Nexus S to ICS. Short of rooting the damned thing there wasn't a thing I could do about it.

We've reached a point where phones are becoming computing appliances, and end users shouldn't be held hostage by this sort of nonsense. If a major upgrade is available, I should have the option of installing it now, not when some bean-counter in Toronto decides it can no longer be avoided.

Re:Who Provides Upgrades? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40348715)

I won't vouch for the other telcos in Canada but I can say that from my experience Telus sucks in many many ways.

Re:Who Provides Upgrades? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40349169)

Telus had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with your upgrade for Nexus S. It's all Google/Samsung that delayed that it for that variant of the Nexus S platform. As much as I dislike Telus, they don't control what firmware is on that specific phone.

Re:Who Provides Upgrades? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40349561)

>Short of rooting the damned thing there wasn't a thing I could do about it.
>If a major upgrade is available, I should have the option of installing it now
So, short of installing the upgrade yourself, there was nothing you could do to get the upgrade?

Re:Who Provides Upgrades? (1)

longk (2637033) | about 2 years ago | (#40349589)

And you do, provided you choose the right phone. Several vendors now officially allow you to root your phone. This may not be suitable for all users but neither is re-installing your PC with the newest OS. Anyway, there's no point to bitch about this any longer. Vote with your cash and buy phones that support rooting.

Probably not a huge deal (2)

pegasustonans (589396) | about 2 years ago | (#40348249)

Sony should've tested the upgrade a bit more before releasing it.

That said, I imagine users with rooted phones probably have many alternatives to get Wi-Fi working.

Wi-Fi problems are possibly the most common issue in Android (possibily Linux as well, possibly in every OS).

While I imagine it's a pretty big issue for those people who upgraded, I wouldn't be surprised if the fix is pretty straightforward.

Overall, I wouldn't describe it as a "Pandora's Box."

android is shit (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40348457)

stop being a cheap skeezer and get an iphone

Atleast sony are trying hard... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40348461)

No other major manufacturer has committed to delivering ICS to their last range of phones like Sony has. I recently purchased an Xperia mini pro from which I'm typing this post and that was on the basis that it was both cheap and would have ICS support. This came in the form of the upgrade being presented to me the second it synced up with Sonys software.

They support the community as much as they can, releasing beta ROMS for feedback, feedback that lead to the decision to not release ICS for the Play. While it sucks for many Play users, ultimately the decision was made because it would impact the gaming performance too much.

As stated elsewhere this bug occurs on a lot of Android phones, so while ive never been a big fan of Sony corporate I think you could safely call this piece a bit of a beat up.

Re:Atleast sony are trying hard... (1)

pegasustonans (589396) | about 2 years ago | (#40349369)

No other major manufacturer has committed to delivering ICS to their last range of phones like Sony has.

I think HTC is arguably the best in that area. Either way, both Sony and HTC are light-years ahead of Samsung (in releasing updates).

Re:Atleast sony are trying hard... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40349567)

upgrading to ics on my htc desire caused wifi to stop working, so it hasn't been all that great ...

Android is open source so... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40348547)

Sony should just say "it works for me" and tell all the whiners to fix it themselves.

cut them loose (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 2 years ago | (#40348873)

At some point we just have to say anyone who is still buying any Sony products deserves everything they get.

It wasn't like they weren't warned.

Why not just use ntpdate? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40349205)

The udpdate to Android ICS offered for free by Sony to the Xperia smarphone ...

What's udpdate? Is there a TCP version? And why bother, as NTP already uses UDP?

Oh, wait, you meant update.....

Android 4.0 ICS upgrade (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40349553)

This why you don't trust the idiots at the cellphone manufactures to do things right.
They just dont care. Go to http://forum.xda-developers.com and get yourself a rooted, deodexed,overclocked
and modded ROM that actually works INCLUDING THE WIFI! I have a Samsung INFUSE(which
isn't even supposed to run Androide 4.0 ICS)......and yet it is running on my Infuse.....
and I've been enjoying Android 4.0 ICS creamy goodness for some weeks now.
The cellphone manufactures are idiots. Educate yourself and upgrade your own phone!

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