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How Steve Jobs Changed Google Plus

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the addition-problem dept.

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Anthony_Cargile writes "Everyone thinks of Google Plus as a social networking website competing with Facebook, but that is no longer the case — even Google recognizes its failure in that regard. But in a meeting with Sergey Brin and Larry Page shortly before his death, Steve Jobs gave key advice as to what direction to take their company with regards to Google Plus, as is evidenced by their controversial new 'umbrella' privacy policy that went in effect this year. Privacy advocates beware, as the problem is almost certainly worse than ever anticipated."

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I for one... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40354949)

...welcome our new unified overlords.

Let the guy fucking rest already... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40354955)

Seriously, he died months ago, we can stop jerking off all over his legacy now...

Re:Let the guy fucking rest already... (0, Offtopic)

Swampash (1131503) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355123)

Slashdot must need to get its ad impressions up or something.

Re:Let the guy fucking rest already... (1)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355333)

I know, right? How does this blogger bullshit make it on here?

Re:Let the guy fucking rest already... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355125)

Five bucks says the person who marked this as interesting isn't.

Re:Let the guy fucking rest already... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355197)

he invites this treatment with his historical treatment of others, and his arrogant narcissism.

Re:Let the guy fucking rest already... (5, Funny)

tompaulco (629533) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355227)

Seriously, he died months ago, we can stop jerking off all over his legacy now...
Steve Jobs is dead, but contrary to the summary, Larry Page is still alive and well.

Re:Let the guy fucking rest already... (5, Funny)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355989)

Google+ on the ther hand...

Re:Let the guy fucking rest already... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355299)

Even dead, Steve is far more interesting than all of /. commentators put together, more interesting than almost every CEO in the entire tech industry.

Steve & Steve (Jobs/Woz) formed the very computer industry you are enjoying now. No, it was NOT IBM. Their PC came out AFTER the Apple I/II as a response.
Steve was tremendously influential in the Music, Movie, Smartphone, Computer, Retail sections.

Apple haters tend to loath him and Apple. But you totally underestimate what a world without Apple would look like today. It would be frightening.

The PC wouldn't exist (probably) as the PC-standard was only invented as a quick&dirty effort as response to the Apple 2.
The GUI wouldn't be there where it is now. (and not Xerox wouldn't have sold it. They had only a raw prototype and their own managers said it wouldn't be marketable)
Smartphones would still be in the iron grasp of carriers, filled with bloatware and branded to death. The iPhone was the first one were the carriers had ZERO influence.
Tablets would probably still be synonymous with failed Tablet-PCs featuring WinXP.
etc, etc.

No, Steve was not holy, innocent or a general good guy.
Nevertheless, should he be recognised as one of the greatest figures in IT history.

Yes he was that important.
And no, it is not natural that someone else would have come along and did the same as Steve.
Otherwise there would already be the next Rockstar CEO somewhere. But there isn't.

Think about it next time you bash Apple.

Re:Let the guy fucking rest already... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355347)

Not sure if trolling...

Re:Let the guy fucking rest already... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355511)

Not a bit. 0% trolling, 100% truth.

Re:Let the guy fucking rest already... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355533)

Even dead, Steve is far more interesting than all of /. commentators put together, more interesting than almost every CEO in the entire tech industry.
[snip]

Think about it next time you bash Apple.

That's what they said about Aristotle every time someone challenged some aspect of the great man's system. Maybe that's why it took 1800 years for the heliocentric model of the solar system, and the experimental basis of science, to gain any traction.

Just because someone has impressive stature doesn't mean that everything s/he did has to be worshipped and parrotted.

Re:Let the guy fucking rest already... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355537)

Sooo.... if it wasn't him, nobody else would have come up with the same?

Fcking idolatry. Grow up already.

Re:Let the guy fucking rest already... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355745)

Sure, eventually someone would have, but when? I hindsight it all seems so obvious, but if that's true, why was it more than mere days before the first clone came out? Look at history and extrapolate. Sometimes you get people nearly simultaneously duplicating someone else (look at the creation the Periodic table of the elements for example) so if one had been stopped the other would have done it around the same time. But in other cases you have centuries between duplication (some forms of mathematics). I'm not sure how we determine which this case would have been, but to just deride it as if the question is pointless seems short-sighted.

Re:Let the guy fucking rest already... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40356047)

I'd look at the ongoing evolution of microcomputers at the time, and the handful of prior home/hobby computer kits (e.g. MK14), and say it's obvious that someone (e.g. Commodore) would have come out with a home-targeted microcomputer soon enough. (You know the PET, while predominantly marketed to education and business, did precede the Apple II, right?)

Re:Let the guy fucking rest already... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40356085)

You know there was an Apple I before the PET, right?

Re:Let the guy fucking rest already... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355725)

Otherwise there would already be the next Rockstar CEO somewhere.

There have been at least a dozen Rockstar CEO's since Steve Jobs.

Most of them are wankers, just like Steve Jobs. So maybe you need to get your mouth off his rotting probiscus, and stop expecting us to respect them.

Your hero worship is just that, hero worship.

Re:Let the guy fucking rest already... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355889)

Even dead, Steve is far more interesting than all of /. commentators put together, more interesting than almost every CEO in the entire tech industry.

CEOs are not so important as they (and you) think.

Steve & Steve (Jobs/Woz) formed the very computer industry you are enjoying now. No, it was NOT IBM. Their PC came out AFTER the Apple I/II as a response.

There were also Kenbak, Micral, Altair, Atari, Commodore, Sharp, Tandy/Radio Shack, etc... producing computers at that time.

Steve was tremendously influential in the Music, Movie, Smartphone, Computer, Retail sections. Apple haters tend to loath him and Apple. But you totally underestimate what a world without Apple would look like today. It would be frightening. The PC wouldn't exist (probably) as the PC-standard was only invented as a quick&dirty effort as response to the Apple 2.

I'm not an Apple hater, but you're exagerating. Saying that the IBM-PC was an answer to the Apple ][, is as saying that the Apple ][ was an answer to IBM's 5100 [wikipedia.org] . The IBM-PC was an answer to all 70s microcomputers.

The GUI wouldn't be there where it is now. (and not Xerox wouldn't have sold it. They had only a raw prototype and their own managers said it wouldn't be marketable)

Perhaps VisiOn [wikipedia.org] or one of the other projects at the time would have happened.

Smartphones would still be in the iron grasp of carriers, filled with bloatware and branded to death. The iPhone was the first one were the carriers had ZERO influence.

That is very US-centric. Here in this part of Europe, the carriers never had any influence on smartphones at all.

Tablets would probably still be synonymous with failed Tablet-PCs featuring WinXP.

So you admit that tablets were happening before jobs. WinXP tablets were more popular than Apple's Newton. iPad was more popular than WinXP tablets.

etc, etc. No, Steve was not holy, innocent or a general good guy. Nevertheless, should he be recognised as one of the greatest figures in IT history. Yes he was that important. And no, it is not natural that someone else would have come along and did the same as Steve. Otherwise there would already be the next Rockstar CEO somewhere. But there isn't. Think about it next time you bash Apple.

Jobs was important to IT history. But he was not as important as you make him. And don't worry, new rockstars pop up all the time - they will as long as there are fans.

Re:Let the guy fucking rest already... (0, Troll)

Gideon Wells (1412675) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355759)

No. For now that he has died it is only a matter of time before he steals, *cough*, I mean out innovates the Devil himself and becomes CEO of Hell. We now have to prepare even more, even harder.

Re:Let the guy fucking rest already... (4, Funny)

jd2112 (1535857) | more than 2 years ago | (#40356157)

No. For now that he has died it is only a matter of time before he steals, *cough*, I mean out innovates the Devil himself and becomes CEO of Hell. We now have to prepare even more, even harder.

Don't give Larry Ellison any ideas.

Parallel world. (4, Insightful)

Ostracus (1354233) | more than 2 years ago | (#40354967)

Privacy advocates beware, as the problem is almost certainly worse than ever anticipated.

Good thing we have alternatives, right?

Re:Parallel world. (5, Insightful)

PNutts (199112) | more than 2 years ago | (#40354987)

Yes, as in none. I don't use any of them.

Re:Parallel world. (5, Funny)

ClintJCL (264898) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355055)

I also never go to the park, because people might photograph me. I stick to the shadows, and only go out at night, wearing a mask.

Re:Parallel world. (4, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355103)

You are not alone [cnn.com] .

We know who you are. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355181)

I stick to the shadows, and only go out at night, wearing a mask.

You seriously need to wear more than a mask on not to be recognized, Stubby.

Re:We know who you are. (5, Funny)

ClintJCL (264898) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355325)

I stab myself in a different part of the leg every night to thwart gait-detection.

Re:We know who you are. (4, Funny)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355355)

I just spent 5 precious minutes mopping soda up off of my desk thanks to you.

Re:We know who you are. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355903)

I stab myself in a different part of the leg every night to thwart gait-detection.

There's that guy with the gimpy leg again.

Re:Parallel world. (4, Insightful)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355369)

There's a guy around town who must not be right in the head, he's always shielding his face with one hand, has long fingernails, all black clothing, a hat, long hair, and a beard. Whenever I see him I'm tempted to tell him that whoever he thinks is watching him, he's making it really easy to track him by standing out like a sore thumb. Holding your hand over your face is not really a good way to stay incognito.

I wonder if the same isn't true for online privacy, if by caring about it and making some attempt to remain private, I've put myself on the radar for anyone who happens to be monitoring online activity.

Re:Parallel world. (2)

epine (68316) | more than 2 years ago | (#40356049)

That's how they protected Salmon Rushdie during the height of the fatwa. They would set up a conspicuous crazy, then put Salmon into the costume for one night to move him across town. Masquerading as some crazy who holds his hand in front of his face works every time.

What was the actual topic again? Oh, yeah. Picks up hammer and bashes head. Ouch. So, anyone got a bag of ice and a good digression ... ?

Re:Parallel world. (1)

2fuf (993808) | more than 2 years ago | (#40356275)

I never realized Salman Rushdie has a brother who also got a fatwa against him.

Re:Parallel world. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40356285)

More likely it will just make you a less attractive "consumer" of things and thus have a much harder time in the future IE all the people who where not using credit for so long that when they went to buy a home, or put their kid in college, or whatever foudn that they got denied for having NO credit and thus where more of a risk than the slow/late payers..

Being non-existant digitally likely will raise flags at some point in the future.. but I think we are not there just yet...

Re:Parallel world. (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355057)

And yet you still have a social network. It doesn't have to be managed by Facebook.

This is what Slashdot has become? (3, Insightful)

NiceGeek (126629) | more than 2 years ago | (#40354971)

Nothing but gossip, and scaremongering.

Re:This is what Slashdot has become? (5, Insightful)

NoSleepDemon (1521253) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355017)

I like how the article quite randomly mentions that Jobs used to do LSD, for no apparent reason:

"But where does Steve Jobs fit into all this? Before he passed, the famed Apple CEO (and former LSD user) met with Google founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin, with Page as Google CEO by that time."

I'm not sure exactly what reaction that little interjection was supposed to elicit from the reader...

Re:This is what Slashdot has become? (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355195)

I'm not sure exactly what reaction that little interjection was supposed to elicit from the reader...

Probably something like this [youtube.com]

Re:This is what Slashdot has become? (3, Funny)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355291)

I'm not sure exactly what reaction that little interjection was supposed to elicit from the reader...

a flashback

Drug of enlightenment? (2)

k(wi)r(kipedia) (2648849) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355301)

I like how the article quite randomly mentions that Jobs used to do LSD, for no apparent reason:

Quite suggestive that Page and Brin are into something, too;). However, it could also be an in-joke about enlightenment. After all, in the sixties, LSD was the shorter path to achieving oneness with the universe (the long way was to go on a pilgrimage to India). Now iimagine Jobs advising his young apprentices (disciples?) to unite their different services into the One web portal.

Re:This is what Slashdot has become? (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355373)

I'm not sure exactly what reaction that little interjection was supposed to elicit from the reader...

I thought that was kind of dumb as well. It was intended to make Jobs look wild and evil. My question is who did the author think he was writing for that would actually care.....this isn't AARP.

Re:This is what Slashdot has become? (3, Informative)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355217)

Become? You must be new here.

Re:This is what Slashdot has become? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40356199)

what do you mean by '... has become'?

FFS. Steve Jobs is not god, you dimwits. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40354979)

This is the same man who came up with "MobileMe" [apple.com] and Ping [apple.com] . Remember those massive failures? No? That's because the media ignores them in portraying Apple as a company that never makes a mistake.

Re:FFS. Steve Jobs is not god, you dimwits. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355061)

They were so non-traditionally successful that they were too good for ordinary people. Think different.

Re:FFS. Steve Jobs is not god, you dimwits. (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355127)

He is the troll god, for whenever he is mentioned, the trolls come out to troll, yourself included. Stop worshiping him, troll.

Re:FFS. Steve Jobs is not god, you dimwits. (2, Insightful)

GrahamCox (741991) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355389)

Media, maybe, but Apple themselves readily admit their own mistakes. They don't flog a horse long after it's dead, unlike some.

Re:FFS. Steve Jobs is not god, you dimwits. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355979)

Wrong. Apple is still flogging the dead horse known as "Ping". Yes, there is a rumour that they will be killing it on the next release of iTunes but the services are still up and running right now, suckering in tens of users every month with promises it could never, and will never, deliver on. Face it kiddos, the only company that is actually worse at being social online than Google is Apple.

Re:FFS. Steve Jobs is not god, you dimwits. (5, Insightful)

bluemonq (812827) | more than 2 years ago | (#40356017)

Apple themselves readily admit their own mistakes.

"You're holding it wrong." "Just avoid holding it that way." "Upon investigation, we were stunned to find that the formula we use to calculate how many bars of signal strength to display is totally wrong."

Re:FFS. Steve Jobs is not god, you dimwits. (2)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 2 years ago | (#40356087)

...readily admit their own mistakes.

Here's another glass of Kool-Aid, kid. You're doing great.

Re:FFS. Steve Jobs is not god, you dimwits. (1, Troll)

GrahamCox (741991) | more than 2 years ago | (#40356133)

Not sure why anyone would think I'm trolling, or even sticking up for Apple. I'm merely making an observation. The list of stuff they've readily abandoned (sometimes much to developers' annoyance) is pretty long.

These are dead horses they not only didn't flog, they carted them off to the knacker's yard without ceremony:
68000 processors, Hypercard, Claris , A/UX, Dylan, OpenDoc, eWorld, AppleLink, MPW, MacApp, Mac OS versions 1 through 9, MacTV, Pippin, The Resource Fork, File & Creator Types, PowerPC processors, Cube Mac, .Mac, MobileMe, Ping, Rosetta, Classic Environment, SCSI, Floppy Disk Drive, Mac Clones, FireWire, Gil Amelio.

Re:FFS. Steve Jobs is not god, you dimwits. (3, Insightful)

ToasterMonkey (467067) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355405)

This is the same man who came up with "MobileMe" and Ping. Remember those massive failures? No? That's because the media ignores them in portraying Apple as a company that never makes a mistake.

Where do you get off calling MobileMe a massive failure? There's a bunch of different services that existed before MobileMe, and exist under iCloud now. Some services have changed quite a bit, like Gallery to Photo Stream, iDisk is going away, and new services like Match are available for a price, while the synchronization stuff is now free.

Who says Apple doesn't make mistakes and what makes you think the media doesn't give them coverage??

You don't even know what MobileMe is, and I'm starting to think you don't know the difference between a mistake and a failure.

+5 Said something bad about Apple, LOL.

Re:FFS. Steve Jobs is not god, you dimwits. (5, Interesting)

Georules (655379) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355847)

Where do you get off calling MobileMe a massive failure?

Well, Steve Jobs called MobileMe and the MobileMe team a massive failure himself.

"Can anyone tell me what MobileMe is supposed to do?" Having received a satisfactory answer, he continues, "So why the f*** doesn't it do that?"
Steve Jobs summoned the entire MobileMe team for a meeting at the company's on-campus Town Hall, accusing everyone of "tarnishing Apple's reputation." He told the members of the team they "should hate each other for having let each other down", and went on to name new executives on the spot to run the MobileMe team.

Source [macrumors.com]

Re:FFS. Steve Jobs is not god, you dimwits. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355921)

MobileMe was a piece of crap and the only good thing about it that Apple (and Jobs as its CEO was ultimately responsible for the whole fiasco) did was kill it. As usual, simply pointing out this failure brings out the Apple zealot apologists like ToasterMonkey who see any criticism, no matter how valid, as a personal affront.

Re:FFS. Steve Jobs is not god, you dimwits. (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40356095)

Those quotes are in response to the disastrous INITIAL RELEASE of MobileMe, you disingenuous cunt.

WWSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40354981)

Steve Jobs, evil until the end.

What Would Satan^WSteve Do?

a certain lack of users (4, Funny)

Trepidity (597) | more than 2 years ago | (#40354985)

Privacy advocates beware, as the problem is almost certainly worse than ever anticipated.

Wouldn't that require people to actually use Google Plus, in order for it to be a problem?

Re:a certain lack of users (5, Interesting)

achlorophyl (2205676) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355009)

Google+ gets fun to look at. Google seeds your timeline with nifty examples of posts from all different people. Like for example blogger posts stuff about making blogs.. Then Google will put random posts from different people. It's not boring like Facebook, where only your friends show up on your timeline.

Re:a certain lack of users (5, Insightful)

evorster (2664141) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355515)

I have to agree. There are less users, but they are overall more useful. I subscribe to the photography and technology groups, so I have a neverending stream of nice photos and interesting gadgets to look at on a slow news day. In fact, I sometimes learn about new gadgets even before they pop up on slashdot. So, G+ is aimed at a different group of people, and that being so does not make it a failure. Facebook pretty much has the market cornered with the Farmville and other online game types, G+ news seems to have more news from creative types. Also, G+ is easy to train, and after weeding out the worst spammers, the rest is all good. -Evert Vorster-

Re:a certain lack of users (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355117)

I use it. There are about 60 people in my circles there - some use it daily, some not so much. But there are quite a few posts daily in my stream.

Re:a certain lack of users (5, Insightful)

MachDelta (704883) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355137)

TFA explains it - if you're using YouTube, Google search, gmail, or any other google service, you're using Google+. It's just a big wrapper for the whole experience. No one cares if you aren't posting about drunken weekend escapades because your digital footprints are just as valuable without the meaningless banter that serves as an excuse to use the FaceTubes.

It's the ads! (1)

k(wi)r(kipedia) (2648849) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355327)

Righto. Facebook is a threat to Google only so far as it reduces Google's ad revenue. Facebook could well be a news or pr0n site.

This article is rank content-free linkbait. (5, Interesting)

wordsnyc (956034) | more than 2 years ago | (#40354991)

Slow news day much? This article is devoid of news, consists solely of "Duh!" opinions rendered in awkward sophomoric prose, and is all too typical of the low standards of fourth-tier tech sites. "The leader in technology news and commentary"? Maybe at your particular high school.

Re:This article is rank content-free linkbait. (4, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355201)

That's OK, we just slashdotted it.

That'll teach em.

Re:This article is rank content-free linkbait. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355371)

Yet nobody reported it before, good observation there Helen Keller.

"Privacy advocates beware" (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40354999)

I think you mean Privacy Nuts.

If you think that information wasn't already communicated between groups in the company, you are hugely mistaken,
The new privacy policy just made this far more clear.
All the separate agreements equally allowed this.

If there is anything worse than people still bringing up how OH SO WONDERFUL STEVE JOBS is, it is the privacy nut articles.
Give me another Raspberry Pi Beowulf Cluster of viral infections or whatever the hell else.
Oh GOD, I just realized this is both! That's it, time for sleep. I'm done. Gone, out of here.

Re:"Privacy advocates beware" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355971)

If Google asks me for my telephone number once more to "insure" my safety or whatever I'll dump their services for Yahoo. Whoever had the concept or "real id" or adding things like cell phone numbers, or other forms of personal identification to social networks should be shot. First time I saw that shit was on Facebook.

Bah (1)

fredgiblet (1063752) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355003)

I like how the article pointlessly mentions that Jobs used LSD, I didn't like the guy but there's no reason to toss comments like that out in an article where they make no difference

Also, this sounds like "embrace, extend, extinguish" to anyone else?

Okay... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355019)

Jobs once again states the obvious, and Apple fanboys think that's further proof of his "genius."

Re:Okay... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355331)

Launch your own company, state the (apparent) obvious and get rich, bitch.

Or shut the fuck up.

On word for you : hindsight.

Re:Okay... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355529)

A little touchy, are we?

As I recall, Jobs didn't "launch" his own company -- there were three founders.

I agree that people get rich off of the obvious all of the time. Apple is probably the number one example of that scenario.

BTW, "hindsight" is not involved when something is obvious.

Feel better soon!

Broken Link (1)

Jack9 (11421) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355021)

Only link in the summary is returning a 503

Re:Broken Link (Slashdot Effect) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355069)

BAHAHAHAHAHA
Ever heard of the Slashdot Effect?

Google+ is an ID service (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355025)

Didn't Google call Google+ an identity service? You can't expect privacy from an Identity Service. That would be like expecting Facebook to stop violating your privacy; they can't stop, violating your privacy IS their business model.

Re:Google+ is an ID service (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355991)

There are other companies with similar businesses which work perfectly fine and are not as intrusive as Facebook or Google+. LinkedIn is one example.

Strange advice from Jobs (3, Insightful)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355035)

Apple's online services have never integrated terribly well, and they have a bad habit of renaming things and moving features from one service to another.

Which seems to mimic a certain Redmond based software company's online ventures...

Re:Strange advice from Jobs (0, Troll)

catmistake (814204) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355179)

Apple's online services have never integrated terribly well,

I never liked Apple's online services, but the integration was seemless with their OS... kind of why I didn't like it... but I'm calling you out on being a troll or massively uninformed becuase this is completely false.

and they have a bad habit of renaming things .

Again, complete garbage. Apple had more than a few services. They renamed ONE of them I believe... and so what? as for the rest of your post, it makes no sense whatsoever.

How original. (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355681)

I'm calling you out on being a troll...

Oh look, it's the old trolling-by-calling-someone-a-troll technique. You must think you've oh so very clever.

Re:How original. (0)

catmistake (814204) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355843)

I gave you a choice... you could also be massively uninformed, and perhaps both!

Re:How original. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40356037)

At least he provided some substance to back up his claim. What did you do... Just spout off some of the slashdot anti-Apple groupthink so people will like you?

This article says nothing (5, Insightful)

guises (2423402) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355059)

There's nothing in the article (yes, I read it). It's just what everyone already knew - Google+ is one more Google service and will continue to exist and act as a data source to better target their advertisements. Big deal. The actual content of the unified privacy policy remains less threatening than most, even if people continue to cower at its mere existence. The contribution that it mentions from Steve Jobs is essentially non-existent, and I've already written more than this thing deserves.

Re:This article says nothing (5, Insightful)

slasho81 (455509) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355351)

I suggest we start tagging articles with no content as 'fluff'.

Re:This article says nothing (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355629)

And what Steve Jobs contributed isn't that significant. He thought Google had too many disparate services and they should better integrate them. Lots of people probably told them the same thing.

Re:This article says nothing (5, Interesting)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | more than 2 years ago | (#40356061)

It's just what everyone already knew - Google+ is one more Google service and will continue to exist and act as a data source to better target their advertisements. Big deal.

Indeed. Personally I use Google+ nowadays on a daily basis and I know full well that Google collects some data for marketing purposes. They sell the data in large batches per demographic and anonymizes the data first, and in exchange I get to use an extremely handy platform that isn't crowded with the "Mememememe" - or "I have a 5 seconds attention span" - crowd. Sounds like a good deal to me, atleast.

Egos ! (1)

mister2au (1707664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355107)

Still don't get the general obsession with privacy - i do get the need just not the "obsession" for most people.

For 99% of people, nobody really gives a damn about your online life ... no they aren't tracking your every move ... you are just boring and not worth the effort, just like the rest of us.

The other 1% - well that's a different case .... perhaps using google plus or facebook at all ain't so smart for them !

Re:Egos ! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355239)

Take a look at the article on Acxiom in today's New York Times. They do track most Americans. You are worth the effort (which is automated in any case) if you have any money to spend.

Re:Egos ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40356009)

You would be surprised. If you are hiring someone wouldn't you do a web search on their name prior to hiring them? It comes as no surprise that a lot of employers do this and if you are caught badmouthing one of your previous employers or have Facebook filled with pictures of you drinking with your buddies you will most likely NOT even get an interview, let alone get hired.

Thermonuclear War (1)

grege1 (1065244) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355223)

Google accepted advice from a man who declared Thermonuclear War against them. Seriously?

Re:Thermonuclear War (2)

lord_mike (567148) | more than 2 years ago | (#40356075)

Exactly! I simply don't understand why Larry Page is obsessed with trying to make Google into Apple. The reason why Google is successful is that they are NOT like Apple. The world already has an Apple. It doesn't need another. Stick with what got you here in the first place instead of trying to be something you aren't.

Trying to understand (2, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355265)

So I read the linked blog post, and I'm trying to figure out what the guy's real point is. The one thing that IS clear is the author's an unabashed Google fanboy and can't grasp the concept that his favorite company might be able to fail at something.

Anyway, I'm stuck deciding between two possibilities:

a) He knows in his heart of hearts that Google+ is a failure, and is trying to pin that on a non-Google person because - hey, you can't libel the dead.

b) He really does believe Google can do no wrong, and is trying to somehow convince non-believers by invoking the perceived infallibility of Jobs.

In any case, it's hard to believe anyone could believe that Brin and Page heard Jobs say "you need to unify your products into a seamless whole" and twisted that into "your problem is you don't have a unified privacy policy".

Re:Trying to understand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355519)

What really happened is that the mind-controlling evil worm in Jobs, sensing the coming end of its host have called Larry Page and Sergey Brin for a "private talk", during which it planted its offspring in them, thus taking them over.

Re:Trying to understand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40356161)

Unified privacy policy has nothing to do with the success or failure of Google+

Even when they're cursing and suing each other (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355269)

It seems that the top, techie-led Silicon Valley firms are sort of an exclusive boy's club: Apple, Google, Oracle.

Yet another fluff article. (4, Funny)

slasho81 (455509) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355401)

[Steve Jobs] told [Larry Page and Sergey Brin] something to the effect of, "You have so many products spanning several services: Search, GMail, YouTube, Maps etc. – why not unite them all under a fluid user experience to both you and your users’ benefit?"

Page and Brin, struck with this epiphany, thought to themselves: "My God, how come we and our 30,000 highly-qualified employees never thought of this before!? This man is truly a genius!"

Re:Yet another fluff article. (1)

Swampash (1131503) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355735)

He wasn't just a man - he was an LSD user!

The article told me so!

fp co3k (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355439)

create, 8anufacture Usenet is roughly

I don't buy it... (1)

slew (2918) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355477)

Was Jobs’s conversation with Brin/Page meant to stir the data giant into even more of an unstoppable data bank, or was it merely an innocent remark meant to give the users a more pleasant experience? Probably both.

Or... False dichotomy. Jobs seemed to be committed to destroy android even if it cost apple the last dollar in it's bank. Why would Jobs give "good" advice to Google to help it's bank account? Perhaps I suggest a third option. Maybe Jobs was hoping to tease google into chasing a ghost... I have no evidence, but then again, neither do the authors of this article, and at least a passive disinformation strategy makes more sense than Jobs wanting to help Google+...

...Google consolidate everything !!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40355639)

...I don't have to be Steve Jobs to say that to Google.. came on..

Really? I mean, REALLY? (2, Interesting)

Kittenman (971447) | more than 2 years ago | (#40355895)

FTFS "Everyone thinks of Google Plus as a social networking" ... - I rarely think about Google Plus and I suspect 98% of the planet don't give a damn.

Google didn't think of this themselves? Really? (2)

tkprit (8581) | more than 2 years ago | (#40356071)

They just built (bought, LOL) all these "services" over the years, and did Android, but it took Steve Fucking Jobs (RIP) to TELL them they had something that could be unified? Seriously?

Love the way Jobs was quoted: "He told them something to the effect of...'[purported quote]' ".

Sure, I imagine G's goal all along was an ID service: GOOG doesn't like the anonymity of information/posts on the internet because their main brand (Search) is serving up these pages and they want the pages to be more reliable; they want accountability on the web. (I completely disagree with the concept, but that's not the point). Apple wants a good web experience, too, but only on their hardware. No way (imo) Jobs would have said shit to Page about a homegrown social network without mentioning hardware, and he surely wouldn't have lauded Androids as the hardware (not closed enough). The companys' mindsets are way too different for these types of collaborations. (Actually, they hate each other.)

Google Plus is not deserted.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40356231)

... it is a social network for ninjas [weknowmemes.com] !

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