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RIM Manufacturing Partner Pulls the Plug On BlackBerry Phones

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the one-step-closer-to-the-end dept.

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zacharye writes "Toronto-based original device manufacturer Celestica on Monday announced that it will stop producing hardware for struggling mobile device vendor Research In Motion. Celestica stated that it will wind down manufacturing services related to BlackBerry devices over the next three to six months, and it expects restructuring charges to be less than $35 million."

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So Sad (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40360415)

The rise and downfall of RIM parallel's slashdot, myspace and others in many ways.
The early leaders that never adapted and eventually get surpassed by better, smarter competitors. The desperate and late attempts to remain relevant only to just slowly fade into obscurity.

Really sad.

Re:So Sad (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40360471)

The rise and downfall of RIM parallel's slashdot, myspace and others in many ways.

You're still here... :-)

Re:So Sad (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40360529)

The rise and downfall of RIM parallel's slashdot, myspace and others in many ways.

You're still here... :-)

His point *exactly*.

Re:So Sad (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40360533)

Not quite the same, don't quit your day job as an IT lacky.

Re:So Sad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40360973)

So... where are the cool people hanging out these days for "news for nerds" and "stuff that matters"?

Honest question (maybe the fact I don't know is proof that slashdot has fallen, but hey whatever)

Re:So Sad (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about a year ago | (#40361051)

where are the cool people hanging out these days for "news for nerds" and "stuff that matters"?

I get most of my 'geek news' from my twitter feed these days. I follow many tech writers / aggregators, and I just click on the links for stories that interest me.

Re:So Sad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40364271)

I've been using Reddit. Just be selective as to which sub you subscribe to and it works well.

Re:So Sad (1)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 2 years ago | (#40365721)

" ... I don't know is proof that slashdot has fallen ... "

Slashdot has not yet fallen

Slashdot is falling

THAT SHOULD BE, THE UPRISE AND DOWFALL !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40361385)

Or rise and fall !! Or, erect and flacid !! Or hard and soft !!

Jump up and down in blue suede shoes !!

Re:So Sad (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40361665)

I'm curious about the fall of Slashdot. Why do you think it has fallen?

Because of sites like Digg and Reddit? Trust me those sites are fads as can already been seen with Digg falling very far. True democratic moderation suck balls because the general public is made up of idiots. Slashdot's system of limited public trusted moderation is better (not perfect but better than letting any monkey with a keyboard press buttons). Eventually people realize how stupid systems like Digg and Reddit are and they leave.

Now Slashdot is more limited in reach because it tries to be a niche for geeks and I like it that way. I don't think it has fallen though (except for the crappy redesigns, I want the old 100% original Slashdot back).

Re:So Sad (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year ago | (#40362181)

And slashdot??? Huh? When slashdot was new, almost everyone on the internet was a nerd. Now we're vastly outnumbered by normals. Five years ago, let alone ten, you seldom saw a /. thread with 500 comments, now it's common.

Besides, no innovation? Actually I could have done without a lot of slashdot's innovations.

Can you point me to a better site for discussing nerdy topics?

Re:So Sad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40362405)

The rise and downfall of RIM parallel's slashdot, myspace and others in many ways.

OMG, there's an "s". What do I do, what do I do?!?!?

Re:So Sad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40362947)

better, smarter competitors

I'll argue that the competitors that have surpassed your examples might be "smarter" but not "better".

This is all going to be subjective conjecture and personal preference, but.

Facebook isn't "better" than Myspace.
Myspace wasn't "better" than Friendster.
Microsoft isn't "better" than Linux (or Apple (or vagina)).
BlackBerry? well... ok. iPhones and High-end Android phones ARE mostly better than BlackBerrys. But mostly because they just choked. It didn't have to be this way. But they made some really questionable mistakes, that probably leave everyone scratching their heads.

Anyway what I'm driving at is that most of this is all driven by pissing contests and status symbols. Everyone wants to one up each other, and we go round and around with this bullshit. Apple has mastered the art of insipid covetousness, it's a brutal strategy that works like no tomorrow. I can tell you how many cackling girls I've met who gush about their new iPhone or Apple what have you. If there's an exploit community out there that's looking for undiscovered country, oh god. Just wait. (but I digress...)

Is Hacker News really "better" than Slashdot? No. Not really, but Malda grew up, and moved on. The novelty was over. This was more a natural conclusion, than a "smarter" or "better" decision maker. This one isn't really about pissing contests or status symbols either. Well... Hacker News does feel a bit snobby to me...

So what does this mean? (5, Interesting)

arketh (887647) | about a year ago | (#40360421)

Are they the only manufacturer of Blackberry devices or are they just one of many?

Re:So what does this mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40360683)

That is my big question.

Re:So what does this mean? (5, Informative)

mccdyl001 (808761) | about a year ago | (#40360697)

From this Chicago Tribune article [chicagotribune.com], it sounds like there were 4 major manufacturers and now there will be 3. Celestica apparently made the Blackberry Bold & Curve models, and the article seems to indicate that those models will be moved over to one of the other manufacturers.

Re:So what does this mean? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40360761)

No, they're not.

And - BGR has taken paticular interest in finding news about rim and turning into a negative thing. What manufacturer would intentionally stop building devices at contract volumes and rates? My bet is RIM pulled their business for some reason. In order words, this is a non-story that BGR is turning into a negative story about RIM.

Ever since RIM gave all the other sites BB10 dev alpha devices and didn't give one to BGR, they've been running constant negative coverage.

Re:So what does this mean? (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about a year ago | (#40361217)

I tend to agree with you, even if you are an A.C. Otherwise, I would think that the WWJ would be breaking this story instead.

Re:So what does this mean? (1)

noh8rz3 (2593935) | about a year ago | (#40361929)

what's WWJ? I know WWN, the weekly world news. bastion of investigative journalism, especially about batboy.

Re:So what does this mean? (5, Insightful)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#40361295)

They pulled their business because NO ONE IS BUYING THE DEVICES.

Whats difficult to understand here? No one buys these devices anymore, so they'll reducing the amount of manufacturing potential they have rather than keeping a production line ready and costing them to sit idle. This is just another part of the death spiral to everyone with their eyes open.

Re:So what does this mean? (-1, Flamebait)

narcc (412956) | about a year ago | (#40362629)

Lol!

Their user base has been growing year after year. Sorry, it seems that contrary to your assertion, *more* people are buying their devices than ever.

What's more likely is that RIM is dropping the CA manufacturing facility because it's more expensive than other facilities. They had a period of exponential growth, and have been 'trimming the fat' from that expansion.

Re:So what does this mean? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40362855)

they are SITTING ON ONE BILLION WORTH OF UNSOLD INVENTORY you blithering idiot.They arent trimming the fat. the only thing they have is fat. they are shedding their limbs which are fat with unsold garbage.

Re:So what does this mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40363531)

had the choice between a blackberry curve and a htc one v the other day , guess wich one i picked , the lighter one . . .

Re:So what does this mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40379337)

This counts as flaimbait now? Damn, the slashdot group-think is getting ridiculous.

Fuck RIM and other non-Apple products! Android is okay as long as you also love Apple!

Re:So what does this mean? (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | about 2 years ago | (#40365979)

They pulled their business because NO ONE IS BUYING THE DEVICES.

Whats difficult to understand here? No one buys these devices anymore, so they'll reducing the amount of manufacturing potential they have rather than keeping a production line ready and costing them to sit idle. This is just another part of the death spiral to everyone with their eyes open.

That doesn't add up. CA manufactures for RIM - they don't manufacture for consumers.

When RIM is placing orders, CA fills them. RIM has stopped placing orders with CA, meaning that they're not going to produce more phone for RIM.

My guess is that RIM is winding down production of legacy devices ahead of BB 10; and that CA would not/could not offer a competitive price for the new devices.

Re:So what does this mean? (2)

RevGregory (585273) | about a year ago | (#40361407)

What manufacturer would intentionally stop building devices at contract volumes and rates?

A manufacturer that has determined that the volume of manufacturing being requested no longer justifies the base cost of tying up resources in light of opportunities to contract with other clients whose outlook isn't as bleak as RIM's currently is. Also, if they aren't one of the companies that RIM is contracting to produce their last gasp BB10 handsets or they lack confidence in BB10, they are MUCH better off repositioning themselves to work with other companies now rather than riding RIMs decline even farther. If they have ANY opportunity to enter into production for someone else right now I'd imagine they'd jump given RIMs positively slothful response to changes in a market they once dominated.

Re:So what does this mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40361623)

No, they're not.

And - BGR has taken paticular interest in finding news about rim and turning into a negative thing. What manufacturer would intentionally stop building devices at contract volumes and rates? My bet is RIM pulled their business for some reason. In order words, this is a non-story that BGR is turning into a negative story about RIM.

Ever since RIM gave all the other sites BB10 dev alpha devices and didn't give one to BGR, they've been running constant negative coverage.

mb,mb,mb,mb,mb,mb,mb,

Re:So what does this mean? (2)

Just Some Guy (3352) | about a year ago | (#40363155)

And - BGR has taken paticular interest in finding news about rim and turning into a negative thing.

OK, so how would you spin that as a positive? Yes, recent news stories about RIM and Nokia are consistently negative. Maybe that's because there's not a lot of positive to report about either company at this time.

Re:So what does this mean? (2)

bigrockpeltr (1752472) | about a year ago | (#40363501)

Its not about making something sound positive, its about going out of your way to make something sound negative. TFA makes it sound like celestica decided to dump rim when in fact it is the other way around. RIM seems to be consolidating and decided to drop one of their manufacturing partners which recently hasnt been manufacturing hardware for RIM anyways.

Re:So what does this mean? (1)

stephanruby (542433) | about 2 years ago | (#40402719)

Usually, that manufacturer assembles the limited runs of devices they give out to Western governments and the military. The parts still come from China, but the device itself is assembled in Canada for security reasons (not that this guarantees anything of course).

The rest of their devices however, get both manufactured and assembled in China. Only in China and/or Asia can they produce the kind of volumes required, not to mention they don't have to pay the normal Canadian Union wages over there.

 

RIM shut them down (2)

tomhath (637240) | about a year ago | (#40360451)

From the article it sounds like RIM decided to drop them as a manufacturer. Maybe move to China, maybe move to Android or Windows based phones, maybe go bust. We'll see.

Re:RIM shut them down (1)

mr1911 (1942298) | about a year ago | (#40360517)

maybe go bust. We'll see.

You don't consider where RIM is has already achieved bust? Do you need them to roll up the carpet before you call it bust?

Re:RIM shut them down (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about a year ago | (#40360573)

didn't RIM get a huge cash infusion (or several) from all those corrupt governments that bought them off and allowed them to snoop on all data going thru their systems?

I've never owned a BB but this huge negative PR event caused me to never care about this company, ever again. I doubt enough people thought this way but I definitely did.

Re:RIM shut them down (3, Interesting)

ArhcAngel (247594) | about a year ago | (#40361009)

I've never owned a BB but this huge negative PR event caused me to never care about this company, ever again.

So you already didn't care about any of the other mobile phone manufacturers because their devices were already being snooped on because their devices didn't have encryption in the first place? It wasn't like RIM [slashdot.org] didn't fight [hexus.net] against it. It's their security that has been their bread and butter since the beginning. If data is going through a BIS/BES not even RIM has the keys to decrypt the traffic.

Re:RIM shut them down (0)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#40361317)

You don't know what you're talking about on every level. There is nothing accurate about your post.

Re:RIM shut them down (2)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | about 2 years ago | (#40366011)

Actually there was. BES can't be decrypted by RIM because the customer owns the keypairs used to encrypt the data . They've never wavered on that.

Re:RIM shut them down (2)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about a year ago | (#40361281)

Or maybe, because the demand for the models created at this manufacturer is declining so much, that RIM doesn't need the excess manufacturing capacity. There are 4 factories producing phones for RIM. This equates to a 25% cut in manufacturing (actually less, since the other factories can pick up some if not all of the lost capacity).

Ford and GM close plants all the time and nobody shouts the sky is falling. The sky may very well be falling for RIM, but closing a plant and moving production elsewhere are not evidence of it.

RIM's got a 100-year supply anyway (4, Funny)

swschrad (312009) | about a year ago | (#40360453)

so this doesn't mean much.

Re:RIM's got a 100-year supply anyway (2, Funny)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#40360535)

I bet they won't even sell all 100 devices in that time.

Re:RIM's got a 100-year supply anyway (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40362699)

RIM's new sales campaign: buy 1 Blackberry Bold, get 12 Playbooks free!

If RIM were a passenger jet... (5, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about a year ago | (#40360469)

The stick would be shaking and an artificial voice would be warning: "pull up, pull up".

Re:If RIM were a passenger jet... (1)

jeffmeden (135043) | about a year ago | (#40360579)

The stick would be shaking and an artificial voice would be warning: "pull up, pull up".

That's giving them a lot of credit, the current outlook seems more like "we're out of gas and the ground is coming up pretty fast"...

Re:If RIM were a passenger jet... (2)

masternerdguy (2468142) | about a year ago | (#40360647)

They can still salvage the platform.

Re:If RIM were a passenger jet... (3, Insightful)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year ago | (#40361417)

We dont want them to. We want them to suffer from their hubris and stupidity. Blackberry SUCKS. In the face of competition they thumbed their nose at their customer, instead of rising to meet the challenge. RIM deserves to die because they thought they could ride secure email until the end of the mobile revolution.

Re:If RIM were a passenger jet... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40367515)

We dont want them to. We want them to suffer from their hubris and stupidity. Blackberry SUCKS. In the face of competition they thumbed their nose at their customer, instead of rising to meet the challenge. RIM deserves to die because they thought they could ride secure email until the end of the mobile revolution.

That depends on your point of view. My employer is now contemplating the option of either banning personal phones for all employees and mandating Blackberry phones or forcing them to install some security suite on their personal phones that gives our MCSEs "complete control over all devices with company data" including the ability to brick then remotely. So if you are fond of a North Korea like IT infrastructure where all employees use phones and laptops that are under complete company control via some Active Directory like system and where the user is not blessed with admin rights the Blackberry ecosystem is heaven.

Re:If RIM were a passenger jet... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40381441)

That is certainly how we run our place, and quite right too.

If your working, your using a company device. If it has company data on it then we control it. Anything that connects to our network has to be under our control. Frankly if you want your own phone then carry one, but your carrying a work phone as well, and your phone is only for personal stuff and your work phone for work stuff and never the twain shall meet.

Having worked in support for a long time this seems perfectly reasonable to me. You don't connect your trojanded laptop into our network and you don't keep company data on your phone or pen drive so you that you can leave it on a train and get the information commisonar on our ass because you just breached the data protection act for us.

Thanks

Bill

Re:If RIM were a passenger jet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40360687)

That's absurd, they have pleanty of fuel surrouding the plane and feeding the inferno that is enveloping the plane on its journey into an explosives factory that was built on an old native american grave site.

Re:If RIM were a passenger jet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40360625)

GPS-Controlled Flight Into Fixed Terrain

Re:If RIM were a passenger jet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40360773)

Actually if the stick is shuttering, you are probably stalling and yes the stall warning would be buzzing. But in that situation, you ease the stick forward to decrease the angle of attack of the wings and restore airflow over the wings to provide lift. Also shove the throttle full forward. The LAST thing to do in that situation is pull up.

Just for future reference the next time you are in an action film and the pilot and co-pilot have been shot.

Re:If RIM were a passenger jet... (2)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about a year ago | (#40361147)

The LAST thing to do in that situation is pull up.

He may be confusing TCAS warnings although I think TCAS would say "TRAFFIC CLIMB CLIMB CLIMB"

Re:If RIM were a passenger jet... (1)

Rich0 (548339) | about a year ago | (#40361335)

I think he's thinking GPWS - in which case it would tell you to pull up, however the stick would not be shaking.

Bottom line is that there are a bunch of flight situations where the computer will desperately try to save its own life and the post mixed together two of them.

Or, maybe he was in a stall at low altitude, in which case you ignore both the warnings and the stick and hit the ejection lever, or if you don't have one it would be a good time to pray.

Re:If RIM were a passenger jet... (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about a year ago | (#40361741)

...the post mixed together two of them.

Yes, it was for comedic effect. Regardless, the RIM execs responding to the warnings would probably be someone like these guys [cnet.com].

Re:If RIM were a passenger jet... (1)

jonnythan (79727) | about a year ago | (#40361259)

I believe that some aircraft have a mechanism that intentionally vibrates the stick as a means to alert the pilot to such a warning.

Re:If RIM were an F14... (1)

jayveekay (735967) | about a year ago | (#40361471)

When you enter an unrecoverable flat spin to your impending doom, the answer is to eject (ideally with a golden parachute.)

Didn't save Goose tho.

Obviously... (5, Funny)

IGnatius T Foobar (4328) | about a year ago | (#40360621)

Clearly the decline of RIM is at the hands of Microsoft, whose Innovative(tm) Windows Phone brings consumers all of the Innovative(tm) features they've been looking for; once they had a taste of Innovative(tm) Windows Phone(tm) there was no further demand for Blackberry.

It is rumored that Apple and Google also have products in this space but they are irrelevant.

Re:Obviously... (4, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#40360767)

Truth be told, it was MS who killed RIM. ActiveSync, the mobile syncing software used in Exchange and several other commercial mail servers, made BES unnecessary for a lot of companies. I know at my company only devices with ActiveSync support are used. We shut down our BES over a year ago and were glad to see it go.

RIM should have had ActiveSync on BB devices as soon as it started to be popular, instead they kept wanting that BES licensing money and it led to their own demise.

Re:Obviously... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40361481)

That's right.

No active sync on the BB is what's killing them right now!
No one wants to have a server just to the BB phones when all the iPhones and Androids work just fine with Exchange, hotmail and gmail...

Re:Obviously... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40361705)

instead they kept wanting that BES licensing money and it led to their own demise.

It's a lot more complicated than that. Their entire eco-system is based on a lock-in, from proprietary protocols to special gateway systems required at the telco and preprogrammed gprs-nodes so the provider can force the customers to pay extra for the "service" without any chances for the customers to avoid it. If they where to include Active-Sync in BES, every provider would jump ship, or totally block blackberry. The money from the BES licensing may be significant, but it's just a part of what blackberry is. IMHO their only chance would have been native clients for every mobile OS (there was one for UIQ, and vanished without explenation after an upgrade), but they wanted not only the licensing fee's from selling BES to company's, they also wanted money from the providers, AND sell devices. That Apple would not have allowed a BB-Client for iPhone is probably beside the point...

Re:Obviously... (0)

ne0n (884282) | about a year ago | (#40362179)

It makes perfect sense. Microsoft hated BES because the software was shitty, slow and unpredictable, a massive security risk, and made Windows servers even slower and more crashy. Sysadmins hated BES because of the licensing hassles, clients always phoning up trying to get the phone reactivated or re-syncing, BES processes needing to be restarted all the time, constant "upgrades" breaking things. Been there, done that, and glad to be rid of the fscking pair of 'em, MS and RIM both.

Re:Obviously... (1)

GofG (1288820) | about a year ago | (#40362709)

If you're going to have a forkbomb in your sig, make it more obvious that the code is supposed to be ran.

The '$' at the left is not enough to put the reader's mind in the context of 'bash prompt', since the entire line is a bunch of non-alphanumeric symbols and the dollar sign doesn't stick out.

Re:Obviously... (1)

ne0n (884282) | about a year ago | (#40363289)

I'm pretty sure anybody who would want to run it already knows what the prompt looks like.

Re:Obviously... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40362327)

Doesn't ActiveSync use public certificates? This makes it less secure than BES if the government is interested in you.

Re:Obviously... (2)

davester666 (731373) | about a year ago | (#40362537)

Was it? Or was it RIM themselves, which said, well, sure, you've got this fancy, expensive Exchange mail server, but if you want that mail on this RIM phone, you are gonna have to buy some nice expensive software, and some nice expensive hardware, to send that email to our servers, where we will then forward it to your phone.

Meanwhile, everybody else went, we'll got our fancy expensive phone, and it talks directly to your fancy expensive Exchange server, and you don't have to pay extra for it.

Re:Obviously... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#40362913)

RIM was used to being able to do that, ActiveSync was their first real competition.

Re:Obviously... (1)

davester666 (731373) | about 2 years ago | (#40366989)

Wasn't the setup like this:

Exchange Server BES server at RIM BlackBerry

And now, for most except for RIM:

Exchange Server phone

Re:Obviously... (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#40368989)

That was pretty much how it worked. Making it worse for them they had some outages on their servers which made all blackberries in the country useless and IT depts left to angry users that they could do nothing about this.

RIM should have made ActiveSync an option on the devices. At least that way when people turned off their BES end users might still buy the devices.

Re:Obviously... (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about a year ago | (#40361367)

Clearly the decline of RIM is at the hands of Microsoft, whose Innovative(tm) Windows Phone brings consumers all of the Innovative(tm) features they've been looking for; once they had a taste of Innovative(tm) Windows Phone(tm) there was no further demand for Blackberry.

It is rumored that Apple and Google also have products in this space but they are irrelevant.

The irony in your post is that RIM would have probably been a better platform for Microsoft's Windows Phone than Nokia. Leveraging Windows Phone with RIM's corporate customers would have been something better to compete against Apple and Android which are still really directed at the consumer market. (Yes, people use iPhones and Android phones with their corporate systems all the time, but the vast development effort is on the consumer side.)

Re:Obviously... (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about a year ago | (#40361827)

Leveraging Windows Phone with RIM's corporate customers would have been something better to compete against Apple and Android which are still really directed at the consumer market.

The only problem is that Windows Phone is also directed squarely at the consumer market. As far as enterprise integration goes, it was actually worse than iOS until very recently, and it's still worse than Android.

Re:Obviously... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40362269)

Clearly the decline of RIM is at the hands of Microsoft, whose Innovative(tm) Windows Phone brings consumers all of the Innovative(tm) features they've been looking for; once they had a taste of Innovative(tm) Windows Phone(tm) there was no further demand for Blackberry.

It is rumored that Apple and Google also have products in this space but they are irrelevant.

Based on your comments and copious use of (TM) tags, I presume you work for Microsoft?

Microsoft will buy them (2)

rogueippacket (1977626) | about a year ago | (#40360669)

This is a precursor to the official announcement.

Re:Microsoft will buy them (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40360745)

And hopefully use the patents to kill that turd Android.

Re:Microsoft will buy them (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40362163)

What could possibly go wrong?

Re:Microsoft will buy them (2)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about a year ago | (#40362139)

No, the First Rider of the Apocalypse is an ex-Microsoft executive moving in as the new CEO. The Second is his retinue of more ex-Microsoft executives, who conquer important operating executive posts. The Third is the announcement of the new Windows Phone strategy.

The Fourth, is reading the obituary on Slashdot.

Re:Microsoft will buy them (1)

Patch86 (1465427) | about a year ago | (#40364077)

I've never bought that argument. I can't see what MS would want them for, considering they've already got mature smartphone and secure email systems. What value does BlackBerry bring? The brand (hoho)?

My money would be on them being bought by a tech giant without an existing smartphone division, and without a big Android investment. Dell, for example. Or Lenovo. HP, if they hadn't already tried and failed with WebOS.

Re:Microsoft will buy them (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40365197)

You and the 100's of trolls who wish it, but not us RIM employees.

RIM and design analysis software (1, Interesting)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | about a year ago | (#40361149)

In 2008 a leading design analysis company (in stress, thermal and fluids) bought another leading design analysis company (in electronics). Combining their client lists they discovered RIM was the only fortune 100 (manufacturing) company that did not use their design analysis software. In retrospect it looks like they were not using any of their competitors either! Anyway finally that design analysis tool vendor probably got their goal of getting all fortune 100 manufacturers by kicking RIM out of that club!

Better Headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40361961)

Celestica grows tired of RIM jobs.

Inaccurate Headline RIM is dropping Celestica (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#40362033)

This headline is designed to give the impression that Celestica is dropping RIM rather then the other way around. This is about RIM moving manufacturing from one plant to another because it makes business sense and has implications with regard to the continued viability of the business model.

When will the American media stop bashing Canadian companies into the ground. RIM is sitting on a billion in cash and has no debt. Yes there sales and marketshare are slipping but you'd think that the company was about to go under any minute the way it's reported in the media. The fact is activesync may be good enough for consumers... It isn't good enough for all use cases and the primary use case for the blackberry is corporate/government communications where security, and archival communications logs are important. These are areas where android/iphone/winphone/facephone??? can't even make the grade for inclusion for an RFP let alone proceed to an RFQ stage. As for BEZ licensing... get a better carrier or better procurement team. We haven't paid for a BEZ license directly in a while. The carrier supplies it with the unlimited data plan.

So RIM has 1 billion in cash? (0)

arcite (661011) | about a year ago | (#40362835)

They can pay new users to use their phones. They'll make up the lost revenue with increased volume!

Re:Inaccurate Headline RIM is dropping Celestica (1)

cyber-vandal (148830) | about a year ago | (#40364571)

They aren't outselling Apple, and don't look as pretty so therefore the company sucks and is doomed.

I'd buy one of these ... if (3, Funny)

Skapare (16644) | about a year ago | (#40362637)

... if it were fast enough, had enough RAM (4G) and storage (32G), and had a fully open architecture ... and priced $1 each.

Good for RIM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40365499)

This is a good thing for RIM, When Blackberry was synonymous with executive perk, they could afford to subsidize North American manufacturers. Now that they are more of a consumer product they need to manufacture where their competition does and that means Brazil and Southeast Asia.

Now that RIM has shed the executive team that waited too long before shifting them into a competitor for consumer devices, expect more changes that may not make sense at first. But it all comes together under the heading "Consumer Electronic Devices".

Blackberry's strengths (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40366151)

The problem with RIM is that they are not stressing their strenghts. One of them is BBM. It's still very popular with the kids around here.

The stupid way to go about this is releasing an iPhone app to do BBM. Why then buy a Blackberry (and follow-up purchases) if you can be part of the group with your iPhone? Stress it. BBM is Blackberry. If your friends are exchanging PINs and you don't have a Blackberry, you're out.

On the business side, it's a different story. Secure. Manageability. Proven. Trust.

If HP, Dell, etc. can manage to have a consumer-side and a business-side, why can't RIM?

Bad joke ahoy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40370181)

I guess that means ...

*puts on shades* ...no more RIM jobs.

BGR on RIM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40385381)

Haters gonna hate. Celestica aren't making enough money on RIM devices because of a combination of RIM missteps and FUD from Apple-zealots so they parted ways. I'd like to say the Bolds coming through my office have had stellar build quality but instead I'll just say I look forward to seeing what an alternative fabricator will produce.

All conquering iPad (1)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about 2 years ago | (#40398389)

Can anything stop the all conquering iPad?"

Like it or not, the iPad is a fad. Most people buy it because it's a visually pleasing piece of hardware. Some state their two year old picked it up and "learned it in two minutes!". News for you people: Any kid who can pick their nose and wipe it on their pants has just learned how to pick an icon and swipe the screen. It's not rocket science. Your kid's not a genius. Apple isn't magic.

These "trends" in hardware and software go away after awhile. Everyone used to piss themselves like an overly-excited puppy whenever the latest version of Windows would draw nigh. That went on for about 20 years until Vista. People started moving to alternatives. The iPad will go the same way because the exact same functionality can be had for half the price or less. You can already see Apple getting worried with all of their legal wrangling with the Galaxy III.

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