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Ask Slashdot: Best Solution For an Email Discussion Forum?

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the tool-talk dept.

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John3 writes "For the past 15+ years I've maintained The Hardlines Digest (URL omitted to reduce the /. effect), an email discussion list for members of the retail hardware and lumber business. Since the beginning I've run the list on a Windows box running Lyris Listmanager, and it's worked admirably over the years. However, the list now has over 2,600 members and Listmanager doesn't have a nice web interface for users that like to read via their browser. Listmanager also doesn't handle attachments and HTML formatting well for the daily 'digest' version of the discussions. Finally, I'd really like to move hosting off-site so I don't need to maintain the server. The list members are hardware store owners and many are technically challenged, so I need to keep change to a minimum and make it easy for them to migrate. I've considered Google Groups and that seems to have most of the features I need. Are there any other low cost solutions for hosting a large discussion list?"

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Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365331)

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cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365427)

If two Anonymous Cowards talk to one another, does anybody hear them?

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Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365475)

If two Anonymous Cowards talk to one another, does anybody hear them?

Apparently you do, seeing as how you replied to them. So I think that answers your question.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40366563)

If two Anonymous Cowards talk to one another, does anybody hear them?

Only if a non-anonymous troll-feeder responds to their posts.

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MeteorAssTactics (2665059) | more than 2 years ago | (#40366683)

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A few weeks ago, I foolishly ran a strange executable file that one of my acquaintances sent me by email. As someone who doesn't know much about computers, at the time, I thought nothing of it. "Why would my acquaintance want to hurt me?" Following this line of thought, I ran the file without question.

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A few months ago, I accepted what at first appeared to be a very simple job: remove a virus from someone's computer. Given the fact that I owned a PC repair shop (and I still do) and had over 15 years of experience, I was confident that I could complete the job in a timely manner without any complications along the way. Little did I know, however, that accepting this job would spiral my life into a nightmarish den of anguish and uncertainty.

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The family I thought I could count on betrayed me. My wife, whom I loved deeply, filed for a divorce. She said that she could not handle the emotional trauma of being with someone who had cancer. She apologized profusely, but no matter what I said, I could not change her mind. I screamed, I cried, and I begged her to rethink her decision, but it was all to no avail.

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Around a year ago, I was mindlessly surfing the internet (as I often do) when I came across an enigmatic web page. The page, which looked like a warning from my web browser, informed me that I had a virus installed on my computer and that to fix it, I should install a strange anti-virus program that I'd never heard of (which I found peculiar considering the fact that I already had anti-virus software installed on my computer). Despite having reservations about installing it, I did so anyway (since it appeared to be a legitimate warning).

I cannot even fathom what I was thinking at that time. Soon after attempting to install the so-called anti-virus software, my desktop background image changed into a large red warning sign, warnings about malware began making appearances all over the screen, and a strange program I'd never seen before began nagging me to buy a program to remove the viruses. What should have been obvious previously then became clear to me: that software was a virus. Frustrated by my own stupidity, I began tossing objects around the room and cursing at no one in particular.

After I calmed down, I reluctantly took my computer to a local PC repair shop and steeled myself for the incoming fee. When I entered, I noticed that there were four men working there, and all of them seemed incredibly nice (the shop itself was clean and stylish, too). After I described the situation to them, they gave me a big smile (as if they'd seen and heard it all before), accepted the job, and told me that the computer would be working like new again in a few days. At the time, I was confident that their words held a great degree of truth to them.

The very next day, while I was using a local library's computer and browsing the internet, I came across a website dedicated to a certain piece of software. It claimed that it could fix up my PC and make it run like new again. I knew, right then, merely from viewing a single page on the website, that it was telling the truth. I cursed myself for not discovering this excellent piece of software before I had taken my PC to the PC repair shop. "It would've saved me money. Oh, well. I'm sure they'll get the job done just fine. I can always use this software in the future to conserve money." Those were my honest thoughts at the time.

Two days later, my phone rang after I returned home from work. I immediately was able to identify the number: it was the PC repair shop's phone number. Once I answered, something strange occurred; the one on the other end of the line spoke, in a small, tormented voice, "Return. Return. Return. Return. Return." No matter what I said to him, he would not stop repeating that one word. Unsettled by this odd occurrence, I traveled to the PC repair shop to find out exactly what happened.

Upon arriving inside the building, I looked upon the shop, which was a shadow of its former self, in shock. There were countless wires all over the floor, smashed computer parts scattered in every direction I looked, fallen shelves on the ground, desks flipped over on the ground, and, to make matters even worse, there was blood splattered all over the wall. Being the reasonable, upstanding, college-educated citizen that I was, I immediately concluded that the current state of the shop was due to none other than an employee's stress from work. I looked around a bit more, spotted three bodies sitting against the wall, and in the middle of the room, I spotted my computer. "Ah. There it is." Directly next to it was the shop's owner, sitting on the ground in the fetal position.

When I questioned him, he kept repeating a single thing again and again: "Cannot be stopped! Cannot be stopped! Cannot be stopped!" I could not get him to tell me what was wrong, but after a bit of pondering, I quickly figured out precisely what happened: they were unable to fix my computer like they had promised. Disgusted by their failure, I turned to the shop's owner (who I now noticed had a gun to his head), and spat in his general direction. I then turned my back to him as if I was attempting to say that nothing behind me was worth my attention, and said to him, "Pathetic. Absolutely, positively pathetic. I asked you to do a single thing for me, and yet you failed even at that. Were I you, I'd be disgusted by myself, and I'd probably even take my own life. Such a worthless existence isn't even worthy of receiving my gaze!"

After saying that, I left the shop with my computer as if absolutely nothing had occurred there. And, indeed, there was nothing in that shop that was worthy of my attention. Still understandably disgusted by their inability to fulfill the promise, I said to myself, "I'll have to take this into my own hands." After getting into my car to drive home, I heard a gun shot from inside the repair shop. Being that it originated from the worthless owner of that shop, I promptly decided to ignore it.

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About eight months ago, I was searching around the internet to find out why my computer was running so slowly (it normally ran quite fast, but had gradually gotten slower over time). After a few minutes, I found a piece of software claiming that it could speed up my PC and make it run like new again. Being that I was dangerously ignorant about technology in general (even more so than I am now), I downloaded the software and began the installation. Mere moments after doing so, my desktop background image was changed and warnings that appeared to originate from Windows appeared all over the screen telling me to buy strange software from an unknown company in order to remove a virus it claimed I had.

I may have been ignorant about technology, but I wasn't that naive. I immediately concluded that the software I'd downloaded was, in fact, a virus. In my rage, I broke numerous objects, punched a hole in the wall, and cursed the world at the top of my lungs. I eventually calmed down, cleared my head, and realized that the only remedy for this problem was a carefully thought out plan. After a few moments of pondering about how to handle this situation, I decided that since I barely knew how to properly handle a computer, I should turn it over to the professionals and let them fix the issue.

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The very next day, I received a phone call from the computer repair shop whilst I was at a local library researching computer viruses. I had stumbled upon a piece of software that appeared to be very promising, and I was about to do more research on it, but seeing as how I required my computer as soon as possible, I decided to put the matter on hold. Upon answering the phone and cheerfully greeting the person on the other end, I was greeted with a high-pitched shriek. Startled, I asked what was wrong. A few moments passed where nothing was said, and suddenly, the person on the other end said to me, in a low voice oozing with paranoia, "Come pick up your computer." They hung up immediately after saying that, and I couldn't help but notice that they sounded as if they were on the verge of tears. I briefly wondered if it was due to stress from work, and then drove to the computer repair shop to acquire my computer.

I was positively dismayed upon entering the building. The inside of the computer repair shop looked nothing like the image from my memories. There were broken computer parts scattered throughout the room, ceiling tiles all over the floor, blood splattered in every direction I looked, and even a human toe on the ground. After processing this disturbing information, I began panicking and frantically looking around for my computer. I spotted an employee covered in blood sitting up against the wall, and noticed that his wrists had been slashed open. Thinking quickly, I ran up to him, grabbed him by the collar of his shirt, shook him around, and began screaming, "Where is it!? Where is my computer!?" After a moment of silence, he passed away, completely shattering my expectations. Such a thing! "What a meaningless individual," I thought.

Enraged, I tore the building up even further than it already had been in my desperate search for my computer. Eventually I discovered a door leading to an area that was normally only accessible to employees. I entered without hesitation and was met with a long, skinny hallway that a single person would have trouble moving about freely in. I proceeded down the dark hallway and bumped into the body of an employee hanging from a rope tied to something on the ceiling. I screamed, "Not only do you people have the gall to allow my computer to be endangered, but even in death you intend to block my path!?" After finally managing to push aside the worthless obstacle, I traveled down the hallway and came to a small black door. I entered without a moment's notice, and in the middle of the dark and dreary room, I spotted my computer; it was completely unharmed. With a sigh of relief, I picked it up, left the building, and drove home as if nothing of importance had occurred there.

Upon returning home and hooking up the computer (whilst wearing a cheerful expression the entire time), I, to my horror, discovered that the computer hadn't been repaired. There was nothing in the world that could have contained my fiery anger at that point. I broke almost every single one of my possessions, smashed all the windows on my house, physically abused my family, and then drove back to the computer repair shop to defile the dead lumps of meat that had failed to carry out the task I had given them. After realizing that I shouldn't be meaninglessly wasting my time with such worthless pieces of trash, I remembered the piece of software that I'd discovered earlier. With renewed confidence, I blissfully visited the local library, downloaded the software, and took it home to install on my computer.

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Nearly four months ago, I noticed that my internet connection was very sluggish. Eventually getting fed up with it, I began to seek out software that would speed up the gigabits in my router. After an hour of searching, I found what at first appeared to be a very promising piece of software. Not only did it claim it would speed up my internet connection, but that it would overclock my power supply, speed up my gigabits, and remove any viruses from my computer! "This is a fantastic opportunity that I simply can't pass up," I thought. I immediately downloaded the software and began the installation, all the while laughing like a small child. I was highly anticipating a future where the speed of my internet connection would leave everyone else's in the dust.

I was horribly, horribly naive. Immediately upon the completion of the software's installation, various messages popped up on my screen about how I needed to buy software to remove a virus that I wasn't aware I had from a software company I'd never once heard of. The strange software also blocked me from doing anything except buying the software it was advertising. Being that I was a computer whiz (I had taken a computer essentials class in high school that taught me how to use Microsoft Office, and was quite adept at accessing my Facebook account), I was immediately able to conclude that the software I'd downloaded was, in fact, a virus, and that it was slowing down my gigabits at an exponential rate. "I can't let this insanity proceed any further," I thought.

As I was often called a computer genius, I was confident at the time that I could get rid of the virus with my own two hands. I tried numerous things: restarting the computer, pressing random keys on the keyboard, throwing the mouse across the room, and even flipping an orange switch on the back of the tower and turning the computer back on. My efforts were all in vain; the virus persisted, and my gigabits were running slower than ever! "This cannot be! What is this!? I've never once seen such a vicious virus in my entire life!" I was dumbfounded that I, a computer genius, was unable to remove the virus using the methods I described. Upon coming to terms with my failure, I decided to take my computer to a PC repair shop for repair.

I drove to a nearby computer repair shop and entered the building with my computer in hand. The inside of the building was quite large, neat, and organized, and the employees all seemed very kind and knowledgeable. They laughed upon hearing my embarrassing story, and told me that they saw this kind of thing on a daily basis. They then accepted the job, and told me that in the worst case, it'd be fixed in three days from now. I left with a smile, and felt confident in my decision to leave the computer repairs to the experts.

A week later, they still hadn't called back. Visibly angry, I tried calling them countless times, but not a single time did they answer the phone. Their negligence and irresponsibility infuriated me, and sent me into a state of insanity that caused me to punch a gigantic hole in the wall. Being that I would require my computer for work soon, I decided to head over to the computer repair shop to find out exactly what the problem was.

Upon entering the building, I was shocked by the state of its interior; it looked as if a tornado had tore through the entire building! Countless broken computers were scattered all about the floor, desks were flipped over, the walls had holes in them, there was a puddle of blood on the floor, and worst of all, I saw that my computer was sitting in the middle of the room laying on its side! Absolutely unforgivable! I soon noticed one of the employees sitting behind one of the tipped over desks (the one that had previously had the cash register on top of it); he was shaking uncontrollably and sobbing. Despite being furious about my computer being tipped over, seeing him in that state still managed to make me less unforgiving. I decided to ask him what happened.

A few moments passed where the entire room was silent and nothing was said. Eventually, he pointed at my computer and said to me, "The virus... it cannot be stopped! Cannot be stopped! Cannot be stopped!" Realizing that he was trying to tell me that they were unable to repair my computer (the task I'd given them), I flew into a blind fury and beat him senseless. Not caring about what would happen to him any longer, I collected my computer, ignored the bodies of the two other employees that had committed suicide, and left the building. After a few moments of pondering about what to do and clearing my head, I theorized that their failure to repair my computer probably simply meant that they were unqualified to do the job, and decided to take my computer to another computer repair shop.

I repeated that same process about four times before finally giving up. Each time I took it to a PC repair shop, the result was the same: all the employees either went completely insane, or they committed suicide. Not a single person was able to even do so much as damage the virus. I was able to talk some sense into one of the employees that had gone mad and got them to tell me how they were attempting to fix the problem. They told me that they tried everything from reinstalling the operating system to installing another operating system and trying to get rid of the virus on the other one, but absolutely all of it was to no avail. Having seen numerous attempts by professionals to remove the virus end in failure, I managed to delude myself into believing that my first failure was simply a fluke and that I was the only one on the planet qualified to fix the computer. With renewed vigor, I once again took up the frighteningly dangerous task of defeating the evil, nightmarish virus once and for all with my own two hands.

In my attempts to fix the problem, I'd even resorted to buying another computer. However, the virus used its WiFi capabilities to hack into the gigabits of my new computer and infect it. Following each failed attempt, I grew more and more depressed. I had already beaten my wife and children five times in order to relieve some of my stress, but even that (which had become my only pleasure after failing to remove the virus the first time), did nothing for me any longer. That's right: my last remaining pleasure in life had stopped being able to improve my mood, and I had not a single thing left that I cared about. I sank into a bottomless ocean of depression, barricaded myself in my room, and cried myself to sleep for days on end. Overcome with insanity, vengefulness, and despair, there is not a single doubt that if this had continued for much longer, I would have committed suicide.

One day, it suddenly happened: while I was right in the middle of habitually crying myself to sleep in the middle of the day, I heard a thunderous roar outside, followed by the sound of a large number of people screaming. When I peered outside my window to find out what all the commotion was about, the scene before me closely resembled that of a God descending from the heavens themselves! I gazed in awe at the godlike figure that was descending from the heavens, and so did the dozens of individuals that had gathered in my backyard. For a few moments, everyone was speechless. Then, they started shouting predictions about what they thought the figure was. "Is it a bird!?" "Is it a plane!?" But, despite not ever having seen it before, I knew just how inaccurate their predictions were, and began to speak the name of the heroic figure.

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Re:Shall we begin the rape of all of ass? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40367243)

I've tried to install myCleanPC, yet because i have WindowsDefender disabled and i'm not running as the administrator the install failed.
By NotInfected, Help me i want your virus.

Why? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365347)

Because [hardlinesdigest.com] fuck [hardlinesdigest.com] you [hardlinesdigest.com] , that's [hardlinesdigest.com] why [hardlinesdigest.com] !

Slashdot effect (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365353)

What is this slashdot effect of which you speak? Anyway, I took the liberty of providing a url to The Hardlines Digest [hardlinesdigest.com] ; you may thank me later!

A big wave. (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365363)

Ask Slashdot: Best Solution For an Email Discussion Forum?

Google Wave.

Re:A big wave. (3, Informative)

Wootery (1087023) | more than 2 years ago | (#40367635)

Don't know why this was downvoted -- this is a legitimate suggestion.

Google Wave (now Apache Wave) is now open-source, so you can deploy your own. In my experience it works nicely, though there are certainly some things to be wary of, like the ability to unaccountably edit other people's submissions.

I used yahoogroups (5, Informative)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365371)

(Formerly egroups.com and onelist.com.) Members can continue receiving emails if they prefer that method of delivery, as I do, or they can read directly on the web. It also allows for the storage of files and photos in the group

Re:I used yahoogroups (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365685)

The list members are hardware store owners and many are technically challenged, so I need to keep change to a minimum and make it easy for them to migrate.

Yes. Gasp! Heaven Forbid you should ask anyone to learn anything new no matter how trivial. Why that's ... that'd be ... Un-American!!

Re:I used yahoogroups (2)

Idbar (1034346) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365959)

I agree. I had another group on Google and the features from the yahoo groups have always been above. Of course the threading from Google is really neat, but yahoo offers even polls, makes photo albums easier among others.

Re:I used yahoogroups (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40366041)

Wait till you try Facebook groups!

Re:I used yahoogroups (1)

michelcolman (1208008) | more than 2 years ago | (#40367447)

Excellent suggestion, since most technically challenged people are already on FaceBook anyway.

Re:I used yahoogroups (4, Informative)

ibennetch (521581) | more than 2 years ago | (#40366541)

I ran a couple of groups on Yahoogroups a few years ago and it was nothing but a hassle. Sure, the feature list sounds great, but in implementation things needed constant attention. End users would report not receiving any mail for days or weeks at a time (no, it wasn't even in their spam folders; they just disappeared) and logging in/creating accounts was sometimes problematic. At least at the time, there were three ways to add a user: I could add their email address, they could send an email to group+subscribe@yahoogroups.com, or they could create a yahoo account and join through the web interface. Choosing either of the first two options left their account in some sort of half-created limbo where they got the group email but weren't able to sign in to the web interface (to change settings, view photos, etc). There were other minor issues, but those were the two I constantly fought against.

All that being said, it wasn't the worst service I've ever used and it was free, but I was always waiting for the next breakage or issue that would require my manual intervention. They could have greatly improved the service since then; it's been about two years since I migrated away, but I wouldn't personally recommend it. We miss some of the features (the two you mention, file storage and photo sharing), but I'm glad to be rid of the administrative workload.

Re:I used yahoogroups (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40368693)

FYI .. Yahoo Groups servers are at times blacklisted on SpamCop. Also many mail admins like myself will add a spam point or 2 in SpamAssassin, because Yahoo isn't policing their server that well. Sad, but true.

Try Dlang's forum (5, Interesting)

Twinbee (767046) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365395)

The D programming language people have successfully combined a mailing list and tradition web forum into one. What's more, the web forum is lightning fast to boot (fastest ever forum I've ever used - why can't phpBB etc. be that fast?).

The exact specifics are unknown to me, but from what I've heard, they've done a terrific job:
http://forum.dlang.org/ [dlang.org]

Re:Try Dlang's forum (5, Informative)

Bill Dimm (463823) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365467)

The actual forum software is apparently here [github.com] , and is licensed under the GNU Affero General Public License.

Re:Try Dlang's forum (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365809)

Sweet Jesus Fuck that is fast.

Re:Try Dlang's forum (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40366031)

I thought you were just being a jerk, but hot damn that's incredible, even opening the forum with 16,000+ topics and a topic with 60 replies is lightning fast.

Re:Try Dlang's forum (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40367381)

Yeah, I think that site alone is going to make me take another look at D. When did we stop expecting even dynamic web pages to load in less than five seconds, not counting network latency?

Re:Try Dlang's forum (4, Informative)

Twinbee (767046) | more than 2 years ago | (#40366157)

Vladimir Panteleev (aka CyberShadow) has mentioned some of the reasons why it's so fast at ycombinator [ycombinator.com] :

* Optimized and deflated static resources
* Deflated HTML output
* SQLite prepared statements
* Integrated HTTP server (although it's currently in front of an Apache proxy)
* An optimized string builder (https://github.com/CyberShadow/DAppenderResearch)
* RAM cache of frequent DB queries

A Reddit story exists too where he speaks more about it:
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/ppre5/the_new_d_online_forum_software_written_in_d/#c3rhk2i [reddit.com]

Re:Try Dlang's forum (2)

ralphdaugherty (225648) | more than 2 years ago | (#40367133)

I had to try it with a response like that. It started out very responsive but hung after I clicked on Discussion Index and tried the link for Google Summer of Code link. Tried backing out to a couple of pages but links hang.

It's the way a good technical discussion forum should be but if used by typical users with all the image overhead they bring with them and the hangups of typical links to ad sites it would be slowed down like the rest of them.

Re:Try Dlang's forum (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 2 years ago | (#40367901)

I had to try it with a response like that. It started out very responsive but hung after I clicked on Discussion Index and tried the link for Google Summer of Code link. Tried backing out to a couple of pages but links hang.

It's the way a good technical discussion forum should be but if used by typical users with all the image overhead they bring with them and the hangups of typical links to ad sites it would be slowed down like the rest of them.

I tried the same thing, its lightning fast.

Re:Try Dlang's forum (1)

ralphdaugherty (225648) | more than 2 years ago | (#40368077)

Yes, I expect I encountered an unusual glitch to hang responses to links (X lit and no response on any link after clicking Stop and trying some additional links). Hopefully I or no one else will encounter it again.

Like I said though, it's good, responsive, the way a technical forum should be, but doesn't carry a crapload of images that typical users burden forums with (from multiple sites) and the typical ad links which paralyze web pages. I'm all for high quality programming like these guys use though.

Re:Try Dlang's forum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365907)

And of course, it's written in D.

Re:Try Dlang's forum (2)

gnapster (1401889) | more than 2 years ago | (#40366051)

(fastest ever forum I've ever used - why can't phpBB etc. be that fast?).

Indeed. More to the point, why can't slashdot be that fast?

Re:Try Dlang's forum (2)

rgbrenner (317308) | more than 2 years ago | (#40366077)

D is based on C...

I develop web apps in C (and postgresql on freebsd), including a forum for a site called tuxforums (shutdown a couple of years ago)... and they are just as fast as that forum... you hardly even have to try. GCC takes care of most of the optimizations.. you just have to avoid doing anything really stupid (as far as resources go)

http://www.osdisc.com/cgi-bin/view.cgi/index.html [osdisc.com]

Average page generation time for that page: 17ms
Average page gen time for the entire site: 58ms

The downsides of using C are that it's C.

vBulletin (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365403)

Nuff said.

Re:vBulletin (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365821)

What a shit popsicle of a suggestion. You got to be kidding.

If the list is public consider MarkMail (1)

nullchar (446050) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365405)

MarkMail archives a bunch of OSS mailing lists with a nice web interface to the archives. Senders to the list still need to use SMTP though. http://markmail.org/ [markmail.org]

If your list is private, it appears MarkMail may still work, but you'll need to contact them for pricing. I'm sure other comments will contain better options for private email list management via web interface.

The one nice thing about regular old email is the low tech knowledge required to contribute to the discussion. From the summary, it appears all the current members know how to email already (though I'm sure top-posting is a problem).

Re:If the list is public consider MarkMail (2)

yakatz (1176317) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365941)

Why would top posting be a problem?

On Monday June 18, 2012 at 08:44PM, nullchar [slashdot.org] said:
From the summary, it appears all the current members know how to email already (though I'm sure top-posting is a problem).

Re:If the list is public consider MarkMail (1)

serbanp (139486) | more than 2 years ago | (#40366215)

were you trying for the Funny mod?

Re:If the list is public consider MarkMail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40366285)

Pretty obvious that he was.

Re:If the list is public consider MarkMail (1)

yakatz (1176317) | more than 2 years ago | (#40366305)

Indeed. You will usually (for example [markmail.org] ) find my replies to messages on mailing lists either inline or at the bottom (unless I am replying from iOS, which can make it difficult to post anywhere but the top).

mailman + VPS hosting? (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365411)

Aside from having a somewhat dated web interface, GNU mailman is pretty easy to use. If I remember correctly, you can have people send an email to subscribe, which might be easier for some of your subscribers (depending on how old their computers / software are, which may be an issue judging by your description of the subscribers). You could also just do what all the cool kids do and use Yahoo or Google.

Re:mailman + VPS hosting? (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#40367047)

The guy talks about how his current solution doesn't "handle attachments and HTML formatting well for the daily 'digest' version", and you're going to recommend mailman? Really?

Mailman is a terrible, terrible list manager for any list where the main participants aren't Unix geeks (meaning people who aren't using something like mutt as their mail agent).

So 20 years ago, I know, but... (1)

Roger Wilcox (776904) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365497)

...usenet?

Still alive (2)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365507)

Usenet is still alive and still a popular place for technical and political discussions. There are several free Usenet servers out there.

One nice thing about Usenet is that there is no single point of failure.

Re:Still alive (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365533)

If you are creating a new group. Is he looking to go through the voting process?

Re:Still alive (3)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365769)

If they're wanting to get their porn at the same time as talk about their business, then it might be a good idea. Valid point though. Mine. No yours I mean. ;) Too bad experience has had to make the process so onerous.

Aside from that, it isn't really a good idea in this case. The OP mentioned that the users are somewhat technically challenged. Most people are unaware of usenet. Most wouldn't know how to go about connecting to an account. Yes it is no more difficult than setting up an email account but most people can't set up an email client if it isn't automated for them. As well, most home and/or business internet accounts these days have stopped including usenet access. So the OP's users would have to spend more money to subscribe to a usenet service when there are free alternatives. As much as I like to hear about someone wanting to add to what I consider the legitimate side of usenet, this is a case where it isn't a good solution.

I still consider usenet to be the home of the true programming geek. :D. But even this is slowly dying. The funny thing is that over the years, it is the one forum that hasn't really ever disappeared. Unlike so many of the popular internet forums of the day which come and go over the years (usually as the site owners try to commercialize them). You'd think that usenet would be a favoured forum if only because of its stability. But then again, the lack of access from home and business internet accounts is partly to blame. The perception that I joked about that it is only a place for porn or pirated films and music is another. Ah well.

Re:Still alive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365931)

Usenet has disappeared, we just haven't informed all the kooks still posting there.

Re:Still alive (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 2 years ago | (#40367219)

    There's anyone still using it? Last time I looked, it was a huge dying repository of porn spam. That was over 10 years ago.

Re:Still alive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40366105)

you can simply create a local newsgroup with some usenet providers, which takes only an email to the admin instead of being dragged through a bureaucratic festival of stupidity which makes kafka's work look like a manual for streamlining business practices.

Re:Still alive (2)

DERoss (1919496) | more than 2 years ago | (#40366497)

Voting by the general using public is no longer required. The Big8 Management Board makes the decision, Go to http://www.big-8.org/wiki/Main_Page [big-8.org] and read the links under "Core Information about the Newsgroup Creation Process".

The benefit of a Big8 (comp.*, news.*, sci.*, humanities.*, rec.*, soc.*, talk.*, and misc.*) newsgroup or even an alt.* newsgroup outside of the Big8 is that you are not tied to any one specific service or to any one specific application on your computer. (If you choose the Big8, your newsgroup would likely fall in the talk.* category.)

Re:Still alive (2)

westlake (615356) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365897)

Usenet is still alive and still a popular place for technical and political discussions. There are several free Usenet servers out there.

The problem here is that the target audience is the owner of a small hardware store --- who will almost certainly find a Usenet client unfamiliar, awkward and intimidating.

Re:Still alive (2)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#40366071)

Yes I know, and Google Groups hardly counts as a useful or decent Usenet client. My point was just that Usenet is not "20 years ago," although perhaps the discussions and general atmosphere of Usenet has declined since the early 90s...

Re:Still alive (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 2 years ago | (#40367199)

Google groups is what you get when you let UX wonks design something; looks OK, doesn't fucking work.

Slashdot effect? What slashdot effect? (-1, Offtopic)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365539)

There aren't enough users left on this site for the slashdot effect to matter any more. It has been years since a site was taken down by being featured on the front page, load-balanced or not. Even your windows box should easily be able to handle all 30 slashdot users simultaneously loading the front page.

Re:Slashdot effect? What slashdot effect? (1)

gnapster (1401889) | more than 2 years ago | (#40366155)

Actually, there was an article that slashdotted a page just yesterday; it was the one about Steve Jobs' influence on Google+.

Mailman is likely the best available (4, Informative)

Arrogant-Bastard (141720) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365545)

Mailman is not without its faults (which is why 3.X is under development and shows considerable promise) but 2.X is stable, scalable, portable, easy to use from both the web-based GUI and the command line (my preference), complies with relevant standards (such as RFCs 2142, 2369 and 2919), behaves sensibly under duress, integrates well with multiple MTAs, and makes it easy to handle migrations such as yours (by doing a mass invite followed by confirmed opt-in). This is why it's largely supplanted its competitors, particularly majordomo, which was the tool of choice for many years for a LOT of mailing lists. I suspect that it will further eat into the mindshare of similar packages once 3.X is out.

Yahoogroups is a poor choice: it's notoriously unstable, completely insecure, and relies on Yahoo's horribly-maintained email infrastructure, which has been completely overrun by abusers for a decade. Googlegroups is marginally better, although it is also a massive source of spam (best practice on Usenet is to drop all Google-originated articles), it does not comply with standards, and attempts to contact a competent, responsive postmaster yield nothing.

Your best course of action is likely to lease the cheapest (reputable) host that you can find and install Mailman on it. This not only keeps control firmly in yours hands (thus insulating you from the vagaries of third parties) but it also keeps your options open for the future.

Re:Mailman is likely the best available (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365599)

I use MailMan with Phorum. I wrote a custom plugin to read a POP3 account and post those messages to a web forum. Registered users can reply and it'll send it out to the mailing list.

Re:Mailman is likely the best available (3, Informative)

subreality (157447) | more than 2 years ago | (#40367011)

+1 Mailman, but with reservations. I run a large Mailman list and everything you said is true: it can handle large lists gracefully. That doesn't just mean performance. That means handling bounces properly, regex filters to catch things that need to go to the moderation queue, and all the other advanced stuff required for a large list.

However, it's very much a traditional mailing list setup, and that's not what the OP was asking for. It has web-based archives, but they're read-only - you can't do things like click "reply to this" on the web and follow up like you do in a web forum. My userbase is technical, but even still I have a minority that hates having to use an email client, and they do have some good points: in a mail client, you can only see what's in your inbox, not the whole thread. This results in excessive quoting, which just makes things ugly. So you either have to switch back and forth to the archives, or leave stuff in your inbox that you don't intend to reply to, or sort it into folders (automated filtering is really beyond most people). That's extra load for them, and they just want to go to the thread on their web browser. That's where Google and Yahoo excel. Unfortunately they come with all the downsides you mention.

Re:Mailman is likely the best available (2)

Arrogant-Bastard (141720) | more than 2 years ago | (#40367615)

If your users can't see the whole thread, or if they're engaging in excessive quoting, the problem isn't Mailman nor is it the use of a traditional mailing list: the problem is their choice of client and their inability to use it propertly. Solid email clients combined with best practices facilitate both these tasks, as we see everyday on many mailing lists.

To put it another way: mailing lists (and Usenet) are still, far and away, the very best discussion vehicles we have. They work beauitfully, which is why all the serious work of running and developing the 'net happens on them (e.g., linux-kernel, nanog, and so on). But making this happen requires a sensible choice of client and a small investment in learning how to use it in order to communicate effectively. Otherwise we find top-posting, full-quoting imbeciles who are often the same people whining about their lack of utility, when the problem is staring them in the mirror every morning.

Web forums -- and I have used hundreds of them, including this one, since web forums have existed to use -- are vastly less useful. For example: how shall I CC myself a copy of my own comments here today so that I can reference it in the future?

Try OSQA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365547)

osqa dot net is a nice forum software

Google Groups is okay, but... (2)

hodma727 (915852) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365571)

I use it myself with a social group of 40 or so. I occasionally worry if they'll decide to add it to their growing list of abandoned offerings, which is probably a consideration for you too. More annoyingly, like most Google offerings, the interface is pretty crap so I can't imagine it would be enjoyable managing a list your size ;-)

Listserv & MHonArc (1)

Dreben (220413) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365581)

I don't know if MHonArc is still being actively developed, but ListServ (my fav) has a decent web managment interface and MHonArc does a nice job of archiving posts in any number of methods. We implemented this in the day at Bell Labs for any number of internal mail lists (Bell Labs 'had' a lot of internal mail list activity).

http://www.mhonarc.org/ [mhonarc.org]

This also works really well for server processes that send automated email notifications with exit statuses, results, etc.

Re:Listserv & MHonArc (1)

Dreben (220413) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365639)

Written in perl, MHonArc has some pretty nifty features I forgot to mention including support for MIME (smtp attachments) that you want to include in your archives allowing you to include images, audio, video, etc., that can be accessed via a browser. In our case, sendmail was typically the stmp server and if I recall correctly it can be configured relatively easily to archive with MHonArc right from within the sendmail.cfg.

Hostnoc! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365591)

Just sign up for a cheap VPS from Hostnoc / Burst.net, or maybe Singlehop. Actually, there are lots of providers you could use: Eonix (aka Infinitie), Leaseweb, Rackvibe, Limestone Networks, VolumeDrive, GNAX, SecuredServers, or FDCServers would all let you send email, lots and lots of email! It'd be perfect!

Oh, wait, that's a BAD idea. Never mind. Sorry.

Facebook... (-1, Troll)

PNutts (199112) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365623)

...on a Microsoft Tablet.

Re:Facebook... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365689)

Did ya come up with that yourself or did your mom have to help you write it?

Re:Facebook... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365765)

This is a much better suggestion than motherfuckin usenet.

Go from mailing list to a Usenet/NNTP group? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365661)

The NNTP protocol was designed for this very purpose in mind. Mailing lists are only a good option if you only have a hand full of users and you are ok with the idea of managing mailng stuff back and forth by yourself. For online forums the best solution out there is good old Usenet, or at least a NNTP server.

To get a hold of a group which can be accessed through a NNTP interface and you don't want to set up your own server, you have essentially two options: gmane and aioe.org.

With gmane, you really don't have to do nothing, as their service consists of providing a gateway to mailing lists which are already up and running.

The good folks at aioe.org do a bit more than that. They provide a service which they call local group [aioe.org] , which is basicallly a request for the server admin to create a newsgroup just for you, which is only available through aioe.org's servers and isn't shared with the rest of the Usenet. You can have moderated groups if you wish. And best of all, they are free.

Re:Go from mailing list to a Usenet/NNTP group? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40366467)

"The NNTP protocol was designed for this very purpose in mind."

He's asking about e-mail, moron.

Re:Go from mailing list to a Usenet/NNTP group? (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 2 years ago | (#40367205)

And email's the wrong tool for multi-party discussions, uber-moron.

Re:Go from mailing list to a Usenet/NNTP group? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40367931)

You are reading-impaired. Gmane provides nntp access to mailing lists. As in, email.

"NO" to Google Groups (4, Informative)

jtara (133429) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365675)

Don't foist Google Groups on your users.

Unfortuantely, it seems to be the default choice for tech-support forums. And it seems particularly poorly-suited for that task.

The bigget problem is not that it is way behind other forum software (it is) but the "cowboy" mentality of whoever pushes out a new version seemingly daily. It works one day, then it doesn't the next. Fortunately, with the daily release schedule, then it works again a few days later, but then it's different, and you have to figure out how to use it again.

Re:"NO" to Google Groups (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40366645)

I agree, Google has some nice features, but in some parts of the world you can't use it, China in particular doesn't allow you to use Google Groups AFAIK. An email solution or something similar is the right idea as email is available anywhere with access to the internet and as long as you're not posting state secrets tends to be fairly safe.

Re:"NO" to Google Groups (1)

Vegan Cyclist (1650427) | more than 2 years ago | (#40366755)

Agree totally, it's amazing how inconsistent its interface is...middle click (open in new tab) works one day, doesn't the next. How you view your groups changes regularly. Admin settings change at random. It's abysmal.

Worst of all is that they've removed the 'add user' feature. So now people have to be 'invited'. For someone with non-profits like me, i collect emails at a table at an event, and it's a nightmare trying to get them into the group. Now there appears (on some pages, depending on if it's the 'old' or 'new') you can add people again, but if it detects one error in an email address (it seems to know if a gmail address is legit or not), it fails...but it doesn't tell you which address is failing. So if you've got 10-20 in there (or heavens forbid, more), you get to try and figure out which one is the problem.

This really sucks because i've spent years with GG, building up lists, etc...and the last couple years they've been buffoons. So frustrating.

should be banned for not knowing about majordomo (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365705)

come on, really? you've never heard of majordomo?
win-dohs users should be banned from ./ until they learn themselves some unix, linux, BSD, etc

majordomo is the best mailing list manager ever made, and it's free.

Wow. Sad. (0)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365737)

The list members are hardware store owners and many are technically challenged...

That's really sad. Maybe I mean YOU for assuming such a low threshold...

Re:Wow. Sad. (1)

illumastorm (172101) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365805)

You are also assuming that the GP has not had any first hand experience in assisting his users on how to use the site or other technical issues.

Sympa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365775)

I'm in a similar situation and am considering Sympa on a cheap VPS
http://www.sympa.org/

Has anyone used or have comments on Sympa?

Re:Sympa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40367029)

Sympa is the most advanced open source mailing list manager ever, meaning it might be somewhat complicated to get running at first time but there's almost nothing it cannot do. It is far superior compared to Mailman, the web interface integration is themeable and really well tightly integrated and so on and on, also has a nice, big and helpful community around it.

fuck u (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365829)

biatch

Try TinyLetter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365851)

Try TinyLetter

tinyletter.com

Citadel (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365877)

CItadel (citadel.org) - it is a mailing list with a web front end!

Quick Plug for FUD (2)

Shaman (1148) | more than 2 years ago | (#40365883)

Just a quick and dirty plug for FUDForum. Real forum, with NNTP and mailing list integration tools. Very fast, flexible attachment abilities and can convert any thread to PDF.

try nabble (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40365945)

Unable.com

USENET (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40366081)

You might have read about this old technology called news servers such as used with the USENET system? Personally, I hate discussion boards and forums in a web browser. Give me USENET and newsgroups accessible via a newsreader whether from the command-line or GUI. Listservers are another nightmare best forgotten.

Mailman (2)

andyring (100627) | more than 2 years ago | (#40366129)

'nuf said.

Mailman is about as simple as they come. I maintain several mailman lists, a bunch of which were for my church. As I was wanting to get away from being the sole volunteer tech guy for a 1,500-member church, I showed a couple secretaries how to manage the lists. That was 2 years ago and I haven't looked back.

drupal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40366173)

will scale easily, lots of options

Online Groups/Group Server (1)

pravi.a (991068) | more than 2 years ago | (#40366445)

onlinegroups.net used to be free, but they have become paid hosting recently. I liked their software, Group Server. It has very nice archives and web interface. You can install it on a server too. It is Free/Libre Software. Other two options are freelists.org and librelist.com.

Ask Slashdot a stupid question: Best solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40366459)

FTFY. Here let me google that for you.

Forums? Noooo... the OP Said Mail List (1)

rally2xs (1093023) | more than 2 years ago | (#40366557)

Lots of talk of forum software and usenet and the like, but the OP said he wants an e-mail list. That is Yahoo Groups, not web-based solutions.

Yahoogroups has a web interface for each mailing list, but you don't have to use it, not even to join the list. It is ultra-simple to use. If you want to join a yahoogroup mailing list at XXX@yahoogroups.com, you'd send an e-mail message to XXX-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. To unsubscribe, XXX-unsubscribe.com. People joining this way can't use the web page until they obtain a (free) Yahoo ID and log in, and eventually the site will associate their e-mail address with those yahoogroups that they've joined via sending an email message as already described.

Yahoogroups has, on their web pages for each e-mail list, a calendar that can be populated with significant events on their dates of occurrence, give notifications of these events to the mailing list at user-defined times in advance of the events, has a links area that may be populated with relevant links, has a files area that can be populated with relevant files, and so forth.

I don't think there's a better solution out there for an e-mail list that will send members messages to their inbox, rather than their having to go to some webpage to find the messages, possibly 3 days after the message was posted. Some fora send e-mail notifications of new messages on the fora, but then why not just send message in the email in the 1st place?

I think Yahoogroups is _the_ e-mail mailing list solution.

Nabble (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40366787)

Try nabble.

People still use email lists (1)

bwhalen (246170) | more than 2 years ago | (#40366923)

I loathe web forums, very much preferring email lists. Based on sites I have seen though, it really seems like mailing lists are going the way of the dodo bird, being replaced by web forums.

Re:People still use email lists (1)

Robert Zenz (1680268) | more than 2 years ago | (#40368069)

Not really, they're still there, they just moved a little bit into the background...you know, more for technical people and stuff.

Sympa! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40367007)

Sympa is by far the most advanced, open source licensed mailing list manager I've found so far. It is written in Perl, well maintained, stable and used to power lists with over 700.000 recipients.

Featuers include:

Original features :
scalable for big mailings lists ( > 700.000 list members)
list member provisioning using LDAP, SQL or other data sources
various authentication method (SSO, LDAP, X509)
S/MIME and DKIM
web archive with access control, message removal etc
virtual hosting for service providers.
automatic bounce management
easily customizable web interface
SOAP interface for integration with other applications

and much more.

Check it out at www.sympa.org

I've got an idea... (1)

clockwise_music (594832) | more than 2 years ago | (#40367021)

Twitter?

Re:I've got an idea... (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#40367057)

Twitter?

This being Slashdot... I would've recommended posting that anonymously.

Re:I've got an idea... (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | more than 2 years ago | (#40367137)

Or, gasp, Facebook groups (provides email notifications and a decent web interlace). Both work well with a non-tech audience.

groups dot yahoo dot com (1)

beachdog (690633) | more than 2 years ago | (#40367305)

I prefer the Yahoo groups email service over the Google version. I have started several email groups and the Yahoo version is better because of little administrative advantages and easier subscription management.

The whole world of email groups, blogs and web forums most emphatically does not work in the long run for organizing crowd learning. (I recently waded through hours worth of Ubuntu Forums looking for a wireless connection bug fix. Twenty posts by twenty relative newcomers is not as good as two posts and a good index maintained by two thoughtful knowledgeable editors.)

How about this: Wouldn't it be neat if you as the email group administrator could add to each email a footer. The footer would be links to web pages or "best of" summary pages. I don't think you can do that with Yahoo groups.

I think a very interesting email group processing engine would be some way to organize the semantic confusion that always develops when many people post writings about the same thing. The reciprocal thought for you to consider is what is the underlying off stage issue that your entire message experience supports.

But the email group can enable small groups to coordinate themselves faster than a newsletter.

An email group needs an external leadership. I set up an email group that was parallel to a ham radio club's established monthly PDF newsletter and established culture of a monthly meeting and interpersonal project making. The email group is mostly unused. The kind of dialogue the club engages in doesn't fit with what an email group does best.

Here is a thought: An email group works best if the "who" and "what" of an email message can be expressed in 9 words or less. The "when" of an email group message is always "soon".

The charm of a Yahoo group is they are free, very reliable, have good controls to exclude spam, diplomatic ways to constrain individuals with content quality problems. One weakness is users with email readers that open all links in every email message can unsubscribe themselves accidentally. There is no way in Yahoo groups for the group administrator to find the names of those who unsubscribe themselves.

How about SquadMail? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40367435)

Free of charge, automatic syncing and integratable with Gmail (and other mailservices). Though I don't know if this is truly what OP wants, it might be an alternative. https://www.squadmail.com/ :-)

Mailing list + Gmane (1)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 2 years ago | (#40368113)

Set up a mailing list with a list manager such as GNU mailman, and then add it to Gmane [gmane.org] to provide a web interface, and searching. (Gmane is also a mail-to-nntp gateway, but you don't have to use that part.)

Ask your ISP (1)

tbannist (230135) | more than 2 years ago | (#40368231)

If you want it hosted off site, ask your ISP. A business grade ISP should have a mail list system that they run and all you need to do is transfer your mailing list over to it. The advantage is you're not running the list and people who know what they're doing should be running it. Additionally, you'll be working with people you already have a business relationship with running it, however, check the price first. Sometimes list services have wonky pricing.

Of course, if you don't like your ISP, you may not want to do that. However, why are you dealing with them at all in that case?

Sympa (2)

Stakkato.Dot (2665525) | more than 2 years ago | (#40368233)

I'm in a similar situation and am evaluating Sympa with a low cost VPS http://www.sympa.org/ [sympa.org] It looks to have a good web interface, customizable, and scalable to a decent size. I'm surprised no one has mentioned it. Mailman is pretty standard but is dated and not very user friendly. Customization seems difficult.
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