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NYC's Trash-Sucking Tubes May Be Upgraded, Expanded

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the it's-the-mega-maid-sir dept.

Technology 100

derekmead writes "When urban planners were trying to turn New York's Roosevelt Island from a haven for the disabled and the mentally ill into a liveable city, they got utopian. Lying beneath their plans was an unusual technology: a series of tubes that literally suck garbage from buildings at speeds up to 60 miles per hour to a central collection point, where the trash is taken off the island by truck or barge. Theoretically, that eliminates the emissions and traffic caused by giant garbage trucks, and makes trash sorting easier. Now, more than thirty years after the 'AVAC,' or Automated Vacuum Collection System, was installed, Envac, the Swedish company that built it, is exploring how to upgrade it and even extend the system to other parts of the city. Under a new feasibility study conducted by City University and funded by two city agencies, the easiest option would be to stretch the current system south, to cover the new technology campuses being built on Roosevelt Island by Cornell University and the Technion. "

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100 comments

A series of tubes? (5, Funny)

Bodhammer (559311) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377171)

You mean like the internet? I don't think we need more tubes that move garbage...

Re:A series of tubes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40377309)

Or bigger ones in the case of Long Island, unless you want to chop up the human trash before dumping it.

Re:A series of tubes? (2)

ls671 (1122017) | more than 2 years ago | (#40378087)

And don't forget to ask Tony's permission before changing anything garbage related in NYC just to prevent any kind of misunderstanding.

Re:A series of tubes? (2, Funny)

plopez (54068) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377381)

"a series of tubes rapidly carrying trash" yep, that's as good of a description of the internet as there is..... :)

Redundant much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380607)

Seriously, that's what OP just said.

Re:A series of tubes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40377499)

Yes, but this one are not gonna blow crap into your home, but suck it...

Re:A series of tubes? (1)

ChrisMP1 (1130781) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377889)

You can get that on the Internet, too.

Re:A series of tubes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40377529)

>> You mean like the internet?

More like the subway.

Re:A series of tubes? (3, Funny)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379259)

They wanted a series of tubes to replace the big-truck system they currently have in place.

It's kind of like a lot of Slashdot articles... (1)

rullywowr (1831632) | more than 2 years ago | (#40383787)

Sucks hard and full of garbage.

Space Pirates. (1)

Moheeheeko (1682914) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377235)

Does this company happen to originate from Zebes?

A Conusmer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40377253)

We already have things close to the drugs, surveillance, and killer robots from THX-1138. Now we can have a consumer too!

Homicide Enabler (2)

Baby Duck (176251) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377269)

Now there's the most efficient way to discard a dismembered body.

As the article says (4, Insightful)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377273)

It works, you just have to be mindful of what you put in it.
Stereos? Rebar? I guess people will be idiots.

Re:As the article says (4, Informative)

instarx (615765) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379387)

I lived on Roosevelt Island for many years. Individuals don't put anything into the system. The building maintenance staffs do that. Residents just drop their bagged garbage down a shut and it is put into the collection system from there.

Re:As the article says (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40381247)

Residents just drop their bagged garbage down a shut

I think you mean 'chute'

Re:As the article says (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40383561)

Residents just drop their bagged garbage down a shut

I think you mean 'chute'

Or vagina.

implying (0, Troll)

nimbius (983462) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377329)

the disabled and mentally ill have no place in a livable city.

heres hoping these tubes are retrofitted to transport BMW driving I-Pad thumping yuppie garbage like OP.

Re:implying (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377361)

no. Implying that is was basically a dumping ground for those people.

Re:implying (1)

skine (1524819) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377621)

From 1921 through 1973, it was officially called Welfare Island.

Re:implying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40378035)

>> a haven for the disabled and the mentally ill

New York's Roosevelt Island can be completely accessed with elevators and has well-trained people ready to administer the right medications?

Re:implying (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 2 years ago | (#40387365)

That's more a commentary on the conditions of the island when it was used as a dumping ground for the disabled and mentally ill. They were not treated very well and didn't have the best accomidations. The difference between then and now, is that the disabled and mentally ill are just ignored, rather than being quarenteend on an unlivable island. Is it any better? Probably not, just different and less expensive.

Big enough to suck in a small child or pet. (3, Insightful)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377379)

But what could go wrong?

Re:Big enough to suck in a small child or pet. (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377609)

Peaceful Saturdays?

Re:Big enough to suck in a small child or pet. (4, Funny)

Krater76 (810350) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377787)

Or what could go right?

If we end up with the (New) New York City from Futurama with transport tubes, I for one will welcome our new Omicron Persei overlords.

Re:Big enough to suck in a small child or pet. (1)

ourlovecanlastforeve (795111) | more than 2 years ago | (#40378225)

No matter how carefully you plan or how many safety measures are integrated, someone or something valuable will get inside.

Re:Big enough to suck in a small child or pet. (1)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380199)

Travel miles in a dark, confined space that smells of rotting garbage? I can't imagine a more pleasant way to get about!

Re:Big enough to suck in a small child or pet. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380567)

I know, aren't the NYC subways great?

Re:Big enough to suck in a small child or pet. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380833)

Omicron Persei "8".

Bow before me!!!

- BLurg

Re:Big enough to suck in a small child or pet. (4, Insightful)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#40378403)

So we'll still have to hack the adult bodies into smaller pieces?

I knew it! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40377415)

I always knew that NY sucked, just not that it did it literally.

Re:I knew it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40378071)

Yeah, but Mayor Doomberg of NYC blows enough to equalize the pressure.

Time Warner is upgrading their system in NYC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40377447)

Or were they talking about a different NYC internet provider?

Sound stupid (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377489)

They get rid the pollution caused by garbage trucks by transporting the garbage another way...

Why not build a city wide generic transportation system. We do not need a separate one for every type of object being transported.

Re:Sound stupid (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377639)

Sure, we'll just beat you into a nicely flowing pulp. Or packets -- would you prefer to be split as TCP or UDP?

Re:Sound stupid (4, Funny)

jesseck (942036) | more than 2 years ago | (#40378767)

UDP... I like to live in the moment.

Re:Sound stupid (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40377683)

I think most types of goods would not benefit from being sucked through a tube and crashing into other items at 60 miles per hour, so trash is special in that it can be transported in this way with no packaging around it. A generic transportation system sounds good too, but it will be far more expensive. Personally I don't know why we don't have a rail type system that transports people from any point to any other point. Like roads and cars but computer controlled so no need for drivers and no lower limit on vehicle size so even trivial things can be sent at low cost. How about affordably buying 1 pencil from Amazon and it leaves the storage facility immediately after you order? Sounds good to me. I guess the problem is in the transition between tearing up the roads and having rational transportation available, but the outcome is so much better than what we've got now.

Re:Sound stupid (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40378121)

That's Brilliant! A Rail-Gun to transport people and garbage from point to point. No packing, no nets, just let 'er rip! Who says space is the final frontier?
That beats the living crap out of my Human/Garbage cannonball idea, it involved packing customers and garbage in 55 gallon drums and wouldn't accommodate really fat people due to limitations of packing. With a rail gun you could fire a really fat person across the Atlantic. No one need be discriminated against. We could even fire our garbage across the ocean. Brilliant! This is Nobel stuff. Computer syncronized railguns firing illegal aliens back to their homeland. Baldwins and other Hollywood largess could leave the country immediately, as threatened, if the scumbag politico they shill for loses. Surfers could skip like a rock all the way to AustRAILia for monster wave season. Sheeeit, boy, you could by a pencil from amazon and have it shot to Mars! Let's get on this rail technology and we can populate Mars with Baldwins!

Re:Sound stupid (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 2 years ago | (#40378163)

Personally I don't know why we don't have a rail type system that transports people from any point to any other point.

Maintainance and operation. In all seasons.

That includes cars, tracks and switches. Overheads or third rail for power.

All a bus or automobile really needs is a reasonably dry and flat surface. Beneath the asphalt surface here you will still find traces of the original wood and brick paving blocks.

Re:Sound stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40378885)

But what buses and automobiles actually get is expensive macadam roads, which also need constant maintenance, especially when they are used by heavy vehicles which cause a disproportionate amount of damage to said roads. You also need traffic lights, street lighting, curbing and guttering, pedestrian crossings, roundabouts and on and on.

Re:Sound stupid (2)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377761)

Because not all needs are the same?
City planning isn't easy.

Re:Sound stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40377941)

It get's transported alright! It's gotta come out somewhere. Every type of object is gonna come out a blowhole in Newark. I distinctly read the system is being extended south. Can you put 2+2 together? New York is gonna hide their crap in New Jersey. Where's it all gonna end? Phillie? Who'd know?

Re:Sound stupid (1)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#40378371)

Why not build a city wide generic transportation system.

That would be the subway. Garbage (human and other types) and a convenient urinal. Oh , yeah. Mass transit, too (almost forgot).

Re:Sound stupid (1)

instarx (615765) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379399)

Oh right. Well YOU can ride in the same system that transports the garbage. I'll stick to the human-only system.

Re:Sound stupid (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379919)

In every other city in the world this "human only system" that you speak of, aka the road, also transports the garbage.
So there is like a 99.8% chance that you do ride in the same system as your own garbage....

Re:Sound stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380289)

Actually, "garbage trains" full of trash bags are a common sight late at night on the subway...

Some things don't smell right-- (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40377523)

Theoretically, that eliminates the emissions and traffic caused by giant garbage trucks, and makes trash sorting easier.

How does the so-called "carbon footprint" of this 24x7x365 sucker compare with once or twice a week garbage trucks?

And how is "sorting easier" when it's flying into a "central collection point" (read: steadily growing pile) at 60 mph?

Re:Some things don't smell right-- (0)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377677)

And how is "sorting easier" when it's flying into a "central collection point" (read: steadily growing pile) at 60 mph?

I think you just answered your own question, Cap'n.

Re:Some things don't smell right-- (2)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377807)

And how is "sorting easier" when it's flying into a "central collection point" (read: steadily growing pile) at 60 mph?

All those people wandering trough your neighborhood picking through you trash cans now have a single, conveniently located place to go to work. It seems to work well in India and Brazil.

Re:Some things don't smell right-- (1)

CityZen (464761) | more than 2 years ago | (#40378069)

It's not constantly sucking. There was an article on this system, I believe on Wired, a while back. Locally deposited trash goes into local holding area. It is emptied out as needed by periodic transfer (sucking) to a main collection point.

Re:Some things don't smell right-- (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40378155)

Got news for you sport, but in towns and cities of any real size, garbage trucks run every weekday, sometimes including Saturdays. Just because the truck and crew aren't on your street today doesn't mean they aren't on another street. Around here, the city contracts with a waste removal company who does a section of town each day during business hours, handling their private commercial clients after hours and on weekends. with multiple crews, the trucks themselves are essentially running 18hr days 7 days a week.

Re:Some things don't smell right-- (1)

RajivSLK (398494) | more than 2 years ago | (#40378273)

How does the so-called "carbon footprint" of this 24x7x365 sucker compare with once or twice a week garbage trucks?

I would imagine that large buildings in NYC would require daily pickup and each building would produce enough trash to fill an entire truck each day. A large office building in NYC has 50,000 or so people in it per day. Now if only the could upgrade the system to transfer recyclables to the recycling station.

Re:Some things don't smell right-- (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380587)

> I would imagine that large buildings in NYC would require daily pickup

Obviously it's a bit of a special case, but I think the World Trade Center's garbage transfer facility actually kept some engineers busy for a few months planning it back in the late 60s or early 70s. Without getting into the obvious implications of Force = mass x acceleration, where acceleration = 9.8 meters/second per second and the potential energy from a thousand-foot drop, a single tower of the old WTC generated trash during the day faster than trucks could physically back into the loading dock, fill up, and haul it away. Apparently, they were mostly able to keep up until around 10:30am, then the first wave of trash hit from the morning coffee breaks, lunch pushed them into the realm of "hopeless", and they didn't finally catch up and get the system "emptied" again until sometime around 4am (the trash continued well past midnight, because the cleaning crews themselves generated wave after wave of trash).

From what I read, an entire category of trash management came into existence with the World Trade Center, from compaction all the way to heavy-duty trucks capable of dealing with a huge load of densely-packed trash. I believe that some new skyscrapers in China actually have on-site incinerators.

Re:Some things don't smell right-- (5, Informative)

instarx (615765) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379441)

And how is "sorting easier" when it's flying into a "central collection point" (read: steadily growing pile) at 60 mph?

I lived on Roosevelt Island for many years. The trash is sorted in the building by residents (as in all NYC apartment buildings). Recyclables are run through the vacuum system at one time of day, and garbage during another time of day. It does help with the sorting at the collection station.

New New York (2)

ajlitt (19055) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377543)

Or they could use it to transport people.

Re:New New York (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377745)

I was going to say that with a link to futurama complication of tube scenes. But there isn't one on you tube. I mean, come on internet!

Re:New New York (1)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377827)

Once again, Futurama points the way.

Wow, this is odd... (1)

Zakabog (603757) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377819)

I work in NYC and it the walk to and from my office off the subway can smell very very awful on days where its hot and there was just a garbage pickup. All I could think was "Why isn't there a better method of collecting trash in the city other than leave it outside to rot till someone picks it up." There arent even trash cans to hold the bags, so all the "garbage juice" collects on the sidewalk and reaks. I couldn't really think of any good easy to implement and maintain methods (and this certainly doesn't sound easy) but I'm impressed someone actually came up with and implemented this system.

NYC's density feeds economies of scale (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40377839)

NYC's density allows some things to work there that don't work elsewhere. Subways in particular make sense. There is steam heating under the city too (waste heat from power plants?). It's nice to see them working on these kinds of systems; but don't get your hopes up that it's coming to your town. It just doesn't make sense unless you have some density. Subways and steam pipes are in other cities; but this kind of trash removal might require considerable density before it makes economic sense. I wonder if it even made sense when it was built. It might have been a test case, and it might only make sense to expand on it now because the core infrastructure is already a sunk cost.

Re:NYC's density feeds economies of scale (1)

instarx (615765) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379483)

It isn't so much the density that makes it possible, but that it is a planned community like Roosevelt Island. Disney World in Orlando has the exact same system for collecting garbage

So Ron Goulart's DispozHole(TM)... (1)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 2 years ago | (#40377861)

...is about to become reality.

Tubes 2.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40377981)

Tubes May Be Upgraded, Expanded

I for one welcome Tubes 2.0!

Warning (5, Informative)

Megahard (1053072) | more than 2 years ago | (#40378003)

Do not put your dick in the trash sucking tube.

Re:Warning (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40378827)

And whatever you do, don't push the ATR button. Wow... that's an old joke. Fond memories because it's one of the first not entirely clean jokes that an adult told me because they figured it was OK.

No mods unless you remember the airplane bathroom with the ATR button. I'm not giving the whole thing away. I wonder if you can even google that joke...

Re:Warning (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379713)

I was told the same joke about a Japanese Restaurant ladies room toilet.

Also recall the 'no toilet paper, use hand, will be cleaned by human mouth, hammer' joke.

Re:Warning (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380367)

I heard it as an ATP joke. Works better because it could be automatic toilet paper.

Re:Warning (1)

mcavic (2007672) | more than 2 years ago | (#40381449)

Yes, I remember the ATR joke from long ago. :)

Re:Warning (5, Funny)

Megahard (1053072) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379229)

+5 Informative????!? Ok, here's some more tips for lonely slashdotters:
Do not put your dick in the light socket
Do not put your dick in the milking machine
Do not put your dick in the salami slicing machine
Do not put your dick in the toaster
Do not put your dick in anything that's been dead for more than 5 hours

There must have been countless horrific injuries before we had the internet to dispense this essential information.

Re:Warning (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40381631)

in anything that's been dead for more than 5 hours

Damn. Last time it was about 4 hours and 40 mins but at least I got in before the embalmer started in.. NEXT TIME I will wait the full 5 hours. Just need to come up with some way to stall the other sickos wanting to do unnatural things to my .. temporary.. new .. friends..

Re:Warning (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380095)

Dang. Up until now I was thinking that opening in the wall of my apartment was a Glory Hole.

Re:Warning (1)

jon3k (691256) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380339)

The best part about this post is that it's from a guy named "Megahard". Mod this guy up please.

disappointing FA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40378119)

Did anyone else find TFA highly disappointing? I wanted to see the system - pictures from inside the tubes, video from where the stuff gets dumped out, technical details, demos of the system... it sounds cool! Instead, there was a fluff piece with almost no information content.

Blah.

Re:disappointing FA (2)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 2 years ago | (#40378695)

http://www.envacgroup.com/ [envacgroup.com]

This is the site of the guys who make these systems.

Re:disappointing FA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380067)

Thanks!

Pneumatic tubes for mail, Paris, Germany, Italy... (2)

gary_7vn (1193821) | more than 2 years ago | (#40378297)

Paris was famous for its system of pneumatic tubes used for mail delivery. The system was automated, with colour coded bands used for routing, some systems used electromagnet propulsion. If this garbage system works half so well,it will be great. I don't see anything about recycling or composting though. That's bad. There is a great article on it here: http://www.cix.co.uk/~mhayhurst/jdhayhurst/pneumatic/book1.html [cix.co.uk]

Re:Pneumatic tubes for mail, Paris, Germany, Italy (1)

instarx (615765) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379491)

It works quite well. I lived on the island for many years.

Re:Pneumatic tubes for mail, Paris, Germany, Italy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380651)

New York also had pneumatic mail tubes. They were ultimately abandoned with the advent of reasonable-speed bulk transit via motor vehicle. Never underestimate the bandwidth of a series of mail trucks cruising down the street - especially when they operate outside of rush hour for much of the time.

How to clean them? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40378727)

I believe it can be done properly, but all I've seen from trash tubes are disgustingly dirty chutes that could not be properly cleaned and tended to attract cockroaches and the like. Either by accident (like a trash bag ripping inside the tube) or by improper use, they tend to become dirty and are impracticable to clean. Water pipes work because, well, there's water running on them. And trash cans, if they eventually become dirty, can be moved to be cleaned or at least replaced.

Here in France, most (if not all) buildings that have some sort of garbage chute are forbidden to use them, precisely for the lack of hygiene they represent when improperly used. You really need some obligatory hard casing to prevent the trash from spilling into the tube itself. Vaccum can help, but some nasty liquids are quite sticky once they touch the walls...

Re:How to clean them? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40379619)

Surely you would have containers that hold the trash within, then the containers run along by outside wheels running along the inside pipe?

Re:How to clean them? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380259)

I suppose midgets could be wrapped in sponges and put through ?

Re:How to clean them? (2)

Jeremi (14640) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380985)

I believe it can be done properly, but all I've seen from trash tubes are disgustingly dirty chutes that could not be properly cleaned and tended to attract cockroaches and the like.

The beauty of this system reveals itself when you see a cloud of cockroaches whizzing down the tunnel at 60MPH...

*rimshot* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40378813)

i thought vacuum tubes were outdated

Which tube is which? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40378835)

Just don't get it mixed up with the Subway.

Presentation on the system itself (3, Informative)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379143)

I lived in 576 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380107)

eastwood! ... and the maintenence is HORRIFIC. for all the money I paid in rent $2850 a month! they NEVER fixed the busted up walkways that elderly would trip in, they just took and took and took.

And the buildings are ass ugly like east block ass ugly.

They should just burn the thing down, and try again.

bad idea because of... (-1)

slashmydots (2189826) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380647)

Methane would build up in the tubes, causing the potential for an explosion and whatever system "deals" with it can break down.
It'd have to be piston driven from behind because no velocity of air can dislodge certain viscosity materials and no reasonable air pressure can move heavy metals.
Certain animals would easily take refuge in the tubes and catch ridiculous amounts of diseases. With thousands of entrances and exits, that's a bad idea not to mention that it'd be a route directly into a building or house (potentially).
Then someone could break into the system anywhere and drop in poisonous gas that can get past methane and disease focusing blocking techniques and spread it to every building.

And best of all, Mr Fusion that some CA university is working on can fuse any garbage material and create a positive net energy :-D wohoo! I vote for Mr Fusion over a Futurama tube system lol.

Re:bad idea because of... (2)

SurfaceMount (749329) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380993)

Methane would build up in the tubes, causing the potential for an explosion and whatever system "deals" with it can break down.

Certain animals would easily take refuge in the tubes and catch ridiculous amounts of diseases. With thousands of entrances and exits, that's a bad idea not to mention that it'd be a route directly into a building or house (potentially).

Then someone could break into the system anywhere and drop in poisonous gas that can get past methane and disease focusing blocking techniques and spread it to every building. .

Are those things a major problem for the sewer system?
There is more risk the water supply will be poisoned than the "garbage sewer". The garbage tubes also suck air, so unless someone rewires the system to reverse there is no threat of gas to come out of the residential tubes.

Re:bad idea because of... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40384255)

"drop in poisonous gas that"

I can only imagine one possible situation where a pneumatic garbage system could be used to do something like this. If "bad guys" took over the suction plant and reversed the flow to pump some kind of explosive/toxic gas into the system. That issue and most of the other noted "dangers" could be solved by the simple inclusion of a $5 unidirectional check valve at every house/business (and maybe a few larger ones every block for extra measure) which would make it extremely difficult for any nefarious use of the system or animal traffic.

Re:bad idea because of... (4, Informative)

Jeremi (14640) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380995)

It'd have to be piston driven from behind because no velocity of air can dislodge certain viscosity materials and no reasonable air pressure can move heavy metals.

Your speculations are rendered moot by the fact that this system has been operating successfully for 35 years now.

Re:bad idea because of... (1)

Anubis IV (1279820) | more than 2 years ago | (#40381655)

Mod parent up. It's incredibly silly to claim something is impossible when it's already been done successfully for decades.

Re:bad idea because of... (1)

cellocgw (617879) | more than 2 years ago | (#40386803)

Mod parent up. It's incredibly silly to claim something is impossible when it's already been done successfully for decades.
Ummm..."We have always been at war with Oceania"

Re:bad idea because of... (1)

Anubis IV (1279820) | more than 2 years ago | (#40386963)

Some of us are interested in making sure that doesn't become a reality, and that means correcting misinformation. The claim was made that it could not work. It was pointed out that it has already worked. That it has worked is not a case of altering history. It's fact. That means it's important to repeat it and correct claims to the contrary.

the trash is spun like cotton candy?? (1)

ffflala (793437) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380831)

When people throw their garbage down the trash chutes, it piles up for several hours, until a trapdoor opens, sucking the waste into a big underground pipe. Then a complex system of air valves propels the garbage through the pipe at speeds of up to sixty miles per hour. When the trash resurfaces at the Avac center, a squat building at the northern tip of the island, it is dumped into two silo-shaped cyclones, where it is spun like cotton candy and then whooshed down chutes into huge containers.

Okay: trash chutes, I get. Trapdoors, big underground pipe, series of air valves? No problemo, obviously we'll need all of those things. Dumped into two silo-shaped cyclones? Naturally. Wooshing it down (more) chutes into huge containers: of course.

But spinning the trash like cotton candy before the last step is where I draw the line! That's simply gratuitous. What were the protoype, pre-final chute/huge container designs: slushee constant mix machine? Season the garbage with bay leaves and slow cook it for 8-12 hours in a giant crockpot? Push it off a ledge like a coin-pusher arcade machine? Roll it into a ball and run it through a life-size model of the animated pinball machine from the Pointer Sisters/Electric Company 1-2-3-4-5, 6-7-8-9-10, 11-12 song?

Dammit Swedes, how did you manage to make trash collection so fun?

Why stop there? (1)

DaKong (150846) | more than 2 years ago | (#40381717)

Why not extend the system to carry all kinds of freight? It would be awesome to resupply stores, deliver packages, and the like the same way. It would dramatically cut the truck traffic in the city, with all the noise, pollution, and traffic they create. It's probably even safer, from a security standpoint, to have an expertly monitored system like that than a hundred thousand random vans, delivery trucks, and semis running around.

Re:Why stop there? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40384299)

And they can name it "Subway".

A good moniker. (1)

wcrowe (94389) | more than 2 years ago | (#40383953)

"Trash-Sucking Tubes" sounds like a good name for a rock band.

Re:A good moniker. (1)

virgnarus (1949790) | more than 2 years ago | (#40387611)

I find it particularly fitting for grunge.

I like it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40384137)

I love the idea, I think pneumatics are a often forgotten technology that has quite a few uses. But I'm a bit wary as to whether it is being implemented for the right reasons. Sure it will cut emissions from vehicles (truck/barge) but would that offset the emissions from the power required for the suction system, or the installation of the piping? There are a lot of good reasons for a pneumatic transit system (traffic, security, efficiency, etc), but are emissions one of them?

not a big truck! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40384553)

I guess it bares repeating...it's not a big truck....it's a series of tubes!

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