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Google's Nexus Tablet To Be Unveiled Next Week

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the jumping-into-the-race-for-second-place dept.

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zacharye writes "Google chairman Eric Schmidt revealed in December that the company was working on its first own-brand tablet, and the 'Nexus 7' slate will finally be unveiled next week during the Google I/O developer conference, according to multiple reports. The latest reaffirmation comes from DigiTimes, which has reported a number of details surrounding Google's upcoming tablet that will seemingly prove accurate."

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7-inch? (5, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 2 years ago | (#40378787)

Smack in the middle of the market that currently B&N and Amazon hold. Seriously, 7" is e-book territory. They should have made an actual tablet. 8" or greater.

Re:7-inch? (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40378823)

You're expecting far too much from the product people at GOOG.

Re:7-inch? (5, Interesting)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380425)

You're expecting far too much from the product people at GOOG.

Nick Wingfield, from NY Times, wrote, "With its new tablet, Microsoft will effectively be competing directly with its biggest customers. When asked whether Surface would damage those ties, Steven Sinofsky, the president of Microsoft’s Windows division, gently pushed a reporter in the direction of a stand of Surface tablets and said, "Go learn something.'"

Google's customers are not B&N and Amazon. It is in Google's interest to have many Android vendors, not just a few large ones, and their reference Nexus designs are intended to kickstart competition in the tablet world in much the same way as they have for mobile phones.

If you want to see the real competitive 7" tablet market, search for '7" Allwinner Android'. Go learn something.

Re:7-inch? (3, Insightful)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379011)

I think the concern is that 8" or greater would be smack in the middle of the market that Apple currently holds, and there's a lot more brand identification with the iPad than there is with the Nook or Kindle. The Nook and the Kindle have proven that a cheap smaller tablet is salable and competing against them would be easier than competing against the iPad. Not to mention that matching them in price will be a lot easier since they don't have nearly the economy of scale that Apple can pull off with their huge orders of parts.

Also, the company that's supposed to be producing the Nexus 7 already has a very nice line of larger tablets available. [wikipedia.org]

Re:7-inch? (2)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379085)

Nook and kindle exist due to their ecosystem and true brand recognition outside of the 'geek' community. I don't know if what Google has would unseat either of them.

8" would just be the start, for people ( like me ) that feel 7 is too small, but don't want a 9.x to lug around ( unless its color e-ink, then id love 9.x ), but could do like Samsung and have many choices, but still not starting out in the e-book market.

Re:7-inch? (5, Insightful)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379225)

I actually quite like my 7" Nook, i can actually stick it in my pocket if i'm wearing cargo pants/shorts. I'm not sure i'd be able to do that if it was much bigger though.

Also, i forgot to mention it above, but i suspect Google is probably quite interested in blunting the momentum of the Kindle Fire if they can. Amazon rolling their own version of Android and cutting Google out of the market and ad loop is perfectly legal under the licensing terms, but that doesn't mean Google is necessarily pleased with the idea.

Re:7-inch? (4, Interesting)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380051)

Nook and kindle exist due to their ecosystem and true brand recognition outside of the 'geek' community. I don't know if what Google has would unseat either of them.

I think the biggest thing a Google tablet can offer over a Nook/Kindle tablet is the ability to run both the Kindle app and the Nook app on the same device without having to boot into a different operating system.

Re:7-inch? (1)

Maglos (667167) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379103)

They own motarola now so why compete with the Xoom; which as an owner I am happy with.

Re:7-inch? (2)

ganjadude (952775) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379575)

who knows, this may be the xoom replacement, might not be any competition

Re:7-inch? (4, Interesting)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379175)

I haven't bought a tablet yet because I have been waiting for something like this. 7 inches because it will be easy to carry, (the only useful computer is one you have with you) and from a source where I have a chance in hell of ever seeing an OS update. I thought the Samsung Galaxy 7 was my device, but negative experiences with the first Galaxy phone decided me against it.

Re:7-inch? (0)

ruiner13 (527499) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380943)

the only useful computer is one you have with you

Really? Then how did computers ever make it beyond the server room? Just because you don't value a computer you can't take with you, doesn't mean they aren't useful. Google's search engine runs on computers I don't have with me, and they are somewhat useful.

Re:7-inch? (1)

noh8rz3 (2593935) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379195)

Bahaha "seven inch is too small. Must be at least eight inch!" that's what she said.

Re:7-inch? (1, Offtopic)

schroedingers_hat (2449186) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380045)

The joke is he's pretending you were talking about a penis
...
or vagaina

Re:7-inch? (4, Interesting)

White Flame (1074973) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379201)

Rumor has it that the screen resolution will be 1280x800. That's pretty decent for that screen size, and should allow real application content on the screen.

Re:7-inch? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40379639)

Resolution stopped increasing screen real estate a long time ago. Beyond a certain point it doesn't matter for that, only image quality. They aren't shipping me an upgrade for my eyes with the tablet.

Re:7-inch? (2)

Altus (1034) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380655)

or more importantly your fingers. There is a practical minimum physical size for controls on a touch screen.

Re:7-inch? (1)

klingers48 (968406) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380597)

Deinitely fine. 1280x800 is a pretty solid compromise for a 7-inch tablet. I've got a 10-inch Acer Iconia with the same resolution and it's fine even at that size.

Re:7-inch? (4, Interesting)

suomynonAyletamitlU (1618513) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379381)

Smack in the middle of the market that currently B&N and Amazon hold.

I think you forget what the Nexus line of devices is. Reference platforms are made, among other reasons, so that the people behind the OS know what they're programming for. If people are already using this form factor (size, approximate resolution, pixel density, aspect ratio, etc), then a Nexus-line device standardizes that. (There is some problem with that when it comes to Android devices, but whatever, you get the point) That (in principle) helps app devs, OS devs, and yes hardware devs too.

I note that they call it the Nexus *7*, which also implies they could be making a Nexus 10, 5, 8, or other screen sizes in the future.

Re:7-inch? (4, Interesting)

swillden (191260) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380517)

Smack in the middle of the market that currently B&N and Amazon hold.

I think you forget what the Nexus line of devices is. Reference platforms are made, among other reasons, so that the people behind the OS know what they're programming for.

In addition, Google has used the Nexus line as a way to combat the tendency of manufacturers to muck Android up with all sorts of "overlays" and modifications that generally do a lot of damage to the user experience. It's just like the tendency of PC vendors to pre-install loads of crapware, but harder to fix. So Google's Nexus devices showcase the "Google Experience" version of Android, in the hopes that users will see just how bad their devices have been screwed up and put pressure on the manufacturers (and carriers), to stop it.

Given what Barnes and Noble and Amazon have done with the Nook and Fire, locking them down, removing all sorts of features, providing only a very limited app store, and just generally making the devices suck as general-purpose tablets in an attempt to lock the users into their respective ecosystems, it seems to me that it's high time for Google to show people how an Android device with that form factor and cost price should work.

(Disclaimer 1: I haven't actually touched a Fire; everything I know about it is second and third-hand. I did, however, try to help my sister root her Nook and work around many of the limitations B&N had built in. The attempt was somewhat successful, but still a pretty poor UX. She ended up returning the Nook and buying a Galaxy Tab 10.1, and is very happy with it, even though it cost significantly more money.)

(Disclaimer 2: I work for Google, but don't work on Android or anything to do with tablets. I do have a Galaxy Tab 10.1 running Honeycomb which I quite like, however. Though I wish Samsung would release the ICS upgrade.)

Re:7-inch? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380645)

What did you say you helped your sister with?

Re:7-inch? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380653)

Or, it could just imply that someone at Google was a Blade Runner fan.

Re:7-inch? (4, Insightful)

steveha (103154) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379849)

I think it is quite clear that Google is on a mission here, and that mission is: ship a compelling tablet at the exact same price as a Kindle Fire.

Would an 8" screen make the tablet more compelling? IMHO, not really.

Would an 8" screen make it harder to hit the $199 price point? Yes. Not only are larger screens more expensive as a general rule, but the massive number of 7" devices already on the market mean that there should be multiple possible sources for a 7" screen, and volumes should help keep the cost down.

Will the Nexus 7 have a retina display? No, absolutely not, because there is no way they could hit the $199 price point.

Will the Nexus 7 have a GPS? Only if it can have a GPS and still hit the $199 price point.

Will the Nexus 7 have a camera? According to one of the linked articles, it will have a forward-facing camera for video conferencing, and will not have a rearward-facing camera to save on costs. As I already have a phone with a rearward-facing camera, a rearward-facing camera isn't that compelling IMHO, and I think Google made exactly the correct call here.

How much flash will it have? As much as it can have while still costing $199. I predict 8 GB.

I think you get the idea.

steveha

Re:7-inch? (2)

McFadden (809368) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379907)

If they decide to make it cellular capable, they could leverage the kinds of subsidies that the carriers offer and build a better tablet but still hit $199. It simply wouldn't make sense for me, with all the hoohah about maps recently, that they would ship a tablet without GPS.

Re:7-inch? (4, Insightful)

White Flame (1074973) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380501)

Will the Nexus 7 have a retina display? No, absolutely not, because there is no way they could hit the $199 price point.

At a rumored 1280x800 res at 7", that's 215dpi, which certainly sounds close enough to "retina". Sure, it's a bit lower than what's available now but really does get there. While there's varying speculation about the smaller dimension, the 1280 and 7" are pretty fixed.

Re:7-inch? (-1, Troll)

jo42 (227475) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379877)

7-inch?

They didn't want anything bigger than the biggest penis at GOOG...

Re:7-inch? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380279)

7-inch?

They didn't want anything bigger than the biggest penis at GOOG...

Or anything bigger than you could swallow.

Re:7-inch? (1, Funny)

517714 (762276) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380359)

Since when are penises measured diagonally?

Re:7-inch? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380753)

Where did you think the 6" number came from?

Re:7-inch? (2)

strength_of_10_men (967050) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380699)

...the biggest penis at GOOG...

It's good to know that you're personally familiar with that kind of information.

Re:7-inch? (1)

klingers48 (968406) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380683)

It's all subjective, but is the 7" form factor really as viable as people thing for tablet use? I've never found anything smaller than iPad size to meet my needs as a light, portable and *usable* screenless computing device until you get into smartphone territory... Where the game changes. 7" just seems to sit somewhere in the middle. Too big to fit in a pocket or treat like a phone but too small to justify the investment as a usable tablet device. Is it just me?

good luck to google (2)

noh8rz3 (2593935) | more than 2 years ago | (#40378829)

I'm not surprised that they're going to 7" because they need to get out of the ipad shadow. it's a couple reasons - 1) they can't achieve comparable quality at the same price point as the ipad, 2) apple has gobbled up all the components.

The problem is that in the fall apple is releasing an ipad mini which will dominate the 7" space as well. if google is true to form then their announcement this evening will be "look what we're releasing in a couple months" while apple is usually "look what is now available at the apple store."

so in short, good luck to google because i know people there and they try real hard, but they're going to need it!

Re:good luck to google (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40378953)

The problem is that in the fall apple is releasing an ipad mini which will dominate the 7" space as well.

A MiniPad?

SO the 10" will be the ... MAxiPad?

I sure hope that Apple can keep their products .... fresh, Otherwise folks will lose interest - especially that time of the month when they release new products.

I seriously don't think Google will be cramping Apple's style, but considering the tech press, well, you never know what they say on their rags.

Then again, Apple does stay on bleeding edge technology.

Re:good luck to google (0)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379257)

Then again, Apple does stay on bleeding edge technology.

Bleeding edge? Pfftbt. Apple has just taken stuff that already exists, made it smaller, made the features the predecessor advertised actually work with a shiny UI that people can immediately understand and use, addressed real concerns like battery life, and created the template for all their competitors to attempt to imitate.

Re:good luck to google (4, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379315)

I really don't see how - but, somehow, you completely missed what he was doing.

Re:good luck to google (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379405)

Oh I got it. I was just feeling sympathetic to my fellow Slashdot brethren who have girlfriends/wives who like to share details on that topic and offered a distraction.

Re:good luck to google (2)

noh8rz3 (2593935) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379447)

Some of us slashdotters ARE women, you insensitive clod!

Re:good luck to google (0)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379501)

1. Where did I say this?

2. Be honest.. did this topic come at a bad time for you?

Re:good luck to google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40379379)

Wow, did you really WHOOSH that hard? The AC's entire post was sanitary napkin (pad) and menstrual cycle (period) puns. Bleeding Edge. Keep fresh. That time of the month. Cramping style. The whole post. WHOOSH...

Re:good luck to google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40379455)

Speaking of wooshes, Haterade Addicts like to bring up anti-Apple rants at inappropriate times. All you've done is explain why it's funny!

Re:good luck to google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40379705)

Evidently everyone who modded you up is also a lonely single dude who didn't get a menstration joke.

Re:good luck to google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40379875)

Lonely single dudes are the ones that come up with the menstruation jokes. The non-single ones don't find 'no-sex-week' humorous.

Re:good luck to google (1)

catmistake (814204) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379865)

Then again, Apple does stay on bleeding edge technology.

Bleeding edge? Pfftbt. Apple has just taken stuff that already exists, made it smaller, made the features the predecessor advertised actually work with a shiny UI that people can immediately understand and use, addressed real concerns like battery life, and created the template for all their competitors to attempt to imitate.

Thanks for posting, I am in full agreement. All Apple has done was make a few products that don't suck and leverage their marketing and massive sales of these pathetically non-sucky products to make Apple the most recognized brand in the world and the world's richest company. Any company could do this and some company was bound to, and moreso, some company had to do this. Why people are so fascinated by these mundane and trivial accomplishments is also beyond the scope of my own comprehension.

Re:good luck to google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380601)

Looks like somebody hasn't been paying attention :)

Like, what about the best features in iOS 6? Virtually all recycled from Gingerbread... a bit long in the tooth, yeah?

Drop-down notifications are great. Android's had 'em for years already. Widgets? You'll eventually see that on iOS too.. years late. Same with ad-blocking -- NOT! But I enjoy that feature, and Android gives the choice. Want a better browser? Go ahead, take your pick. Not just recycled Safari crap either. Might get that on iOS too someday, and I really hope you do. Pattern-locking? It'll happen eventually too.

To be perfectly fair, iOS has hundreds of thousands more fart apps than Android. Looks like we lost that contest by an avalanche.

Re:good luck to google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380723)

You do know that before the iPhone, Android resembled Blackberry, right?

Re:good luck to google (1)

MacDork (560499) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380721)

Then again, Apple does stay on bleeding edge technology.

Bleeding edge? Pfftbt. Apple has just taken stuff that already exists,

Apple invents too. Look at firewire... oh.

made it smaller,

The iPhone is too small. Don't worry, they'll follow the industry's lead and make it bigger.

made the features the predecessor advertised

Imitates competitors, yes.

actually work

Removed 90% of the feature and made the last 10% 'so easy' to use.

with a shiny UI that people can immediately understand and use,

Uh, yeah. Ever played with Automator? :-)

addressed real concerns like battery life,

Underclock their chips when running on battery.

and created the template for all their competitors to attempt to imitate.

After being guilty of said imitation themselves? These great templates... they didn't spring fully formed from the inspiration of some god. Sounds like someone doesn't believe in evolution boys... Get him! ;-)

Re:good luck to google (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40379289)

The problem is that in the fall apple is releasing an ipad mini which will dominate the 7" space as well

Unfortunately you got modded down for speaking the truth - on slashdot, modding down is a way for people to say, "what you say is true, but we don't like that it's true".

The actual sales numbers don't lie. In the tablet space, the iPad owns essentially the entire market, with a few little niche players lost in the noise. This tablet will do fine right up until the 7" iPad hits.

Next week? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40379019)

I thought it had been out for a long time already!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e9thla3cko [youtube.com]

Interesting times (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40379053)

It appears that things are cheap enough that pretty much anyone can go to China and get a tablet built. So, if the magic isn't in the hardware it must be in the software or maybe the real magic is in the content and services. What does this mean for OEMs like HTC and Samsung? They don't have search or email or any services.

Makes me wonder... (0)

steelfood (895457) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379063)

...if all this noise from Microsoft was trying to preempt all of the press that Google's announcement would generate using their own announcement. It explains why Microsoft's seemed premature.

How did Microsoft's seem premature? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379131)

I thought Microsoft's presentation was amazingly polished and well put together. I didn't feel at all like it was rushed together.

Compare and contrast with Google's map presentation a week or so ago. Presenters could not talk without looking at notes every other sentence (watch the guy and the end bobbing his head down constantly). A bunch of filler content to make up for the fact they were just talking about a Google Earth update.

It's good to see real competition in the tablet space heat up.

Re:How did Microsoft's seem premature? (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379233)

He's probably referring to the lack of concrete details in terms of release date and pricing. Then again, Microsoft tends to release information early without notions of availability and price, as is the case with Windows 8... we know it's coming, we just don't know when and for how much.

Re:How did Microsoft's seem premature? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379763)

It's true that the didn't give price, but I thought they mentioned tying the release to the Windows 8 release.

They gave a rough estimate of the price though - it sounded like the ARM version was around the price of an iPad, while the x86 version was probably around the price of the Air.

Re:How did Microsoft's seem premature? (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380091)

Yeah they were vague but it's pretty easy to predict the timeline. My prediction: Windows 8 will go RTM in July, retail in October along with the Surface, and Surface Pro will be released in January. Surface will start at $599 at 32GB and Surface Pro will start at $899.

Re:Makes me wonder... (1)

supremebob (574732) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379263)

I wonder if Google can make it through their tablet presentation without one of their tablets locking up in the middle of a browser demo...

You'll notice that this scanner, Bill... whoa. (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379869)

I wonder if Google can make it through their tablet presentation without one of their tablets locking up

Any more than, say, "Let's plug it in" back in 1998 [youtube.com] ?

Re:Makes me wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40379319)

...if all this noise from Microsoft was trying to preempt all of the press that Google's announcement would generate using their own announcement. It explains why Microsoft's seemed premature.

Kind of like what Google did with maps ahead of WWDC?

Re:Makes me wonder... (2)

Eponymous Coward (6097) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379665)

I think Microsoft has actually done something smart this time.

Apple and Amazon are fighting it out in the consumer space. They are the only two tablet makers that have sold significant numbers. The enterprise market hasn't picked a winner yet and I think Microsoft realizes that if they don't make a grab for it now, they are going to have a much bigger fight for it next year.

Re:Makes me wonder... (1)

Altus (1034) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380695)

Of course the tablet probably won't actually ship till next year, but by making an announcement now maybe they can stall buyers from investing in another platform and instead waiting around to see what microsoft eventually puts on the market.

In other words, business as usual.

Re:Makes me wonder... (1)

Eponymous Coward (6097) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380941)

Interesting point. I assumed that these things were going to be shipping with Windows 8 later this year. The hardware certainly isn't pushing any boundaries so I don't see why they won't be ready later this year.

You got it backwards (1)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380077)

...if all this noise from Microsoft was trying to preempt all of the press that Google's announcement would generate using their own announcement. It explains why Microsoft's seemed premature.

Going after microsoft in announcements always made google seem awesome simply because up until recently microsoft always came out on stage and stepped on it's own dick. Then they did the surface tablet and... well even as an apple user I'm jealous of that keyboard cover. That was sheer genius. And it's shocking Apple, with all those hyper clever people, overlooked that perfect idea. and the tablet looks pretty substantial too.

Improve security please! (-1)

GeneralTurgidson (2464452) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379099)

Google needs to seriously rethink their security model. You shouldn't need an AV client on your mobile device. I know my organization does not allow android devices access to company info, even with MDM software on the phone.

Re:Improve security please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40379331)

Do they allow windows computers? If so that is a hell of a double standard.

Re:Improve security please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40379957)

Windows computers are only allowed provisionally until they can be replaced with iPads.

PS: "Android is just as shitty as Windows" isn't really a smart argument for the platform.

Re:Improve security please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380239)

Do they allow windows computers? If so that is a hell of a double standard.

Hahaha...yeah well let me know when Android devices start getting timely updates to actually fix the bugs.

Re:Improve security please! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40379361)

Actually... (sorry apple fan boys) Android's security is much better than the iPhones. (Their web browser doesn't run as root first of all)

The DoD uses Android, and has for years, but only finally in the past couple months has approved any version (and not even the consumer version) viable for military use. you don't NEED to have an anti-virus, that is a joke... the AV companies just want you to think you do. Though Having one to scan inbound email attachments, downloaded files/etc isn't a BAD thing by any means, but ehh...

The Android security policies aren't an issue... It is people installing applications that allow reading from the SDcard/Contacts/etc and full internet access.

Android gives people more freedom, unfortunately that means more people hang themselves with that rope... that isn't Android's fault. Also means your organization is smart enough not to trust you to use the device securely.

Re:Improve security please! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40379651)

Actually... (sorry apple fan boys) Android's security is much better than the iPhones. (Their web browser doesn't run as root first of all)

The DoD uses Android, and has for years, but only finally in the past couple months has approved any version (and not even the consumer version) viable for military use. you don't NEED to have an anti-virus, that is a joke... the AV companies just want you to think you do. Though Having one to scan inbound email attachments, downloaded files/etc isn't a BAD thing by any means, but ehh...

The Android security policies aren't an issue... It is people installing applications that allow reading from the SDcard/Contacts/etc and full internet access.

Android gives people more freedom, unfortunately that means more people hang themselves with that rope... that isn't Android's fault. Also means your organization is smart enough not to trust you to use the device securely.

If this were written about Microsoft or Apple the word you'd hear back is "Apologist."

Re:Improve security please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380783)

You can mod my post down if you like, but my point still stands: You can't claim Android has a better security model then talk about how users fall into traps because it's soooOOOOoooo free. Sorry, this is clearly Apologism at work!

Re:Improve security please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40379805)

For YEARS? Er uh no.

Re:Improve security please! (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379847)

Yeah, it really is just stupid users. I saw a "trending" game on the app store one day. It was basically an emulated copy of Mario Kart 64. However, it required just about every permission it could ask for. A ton of the comments where saying that it was a virus/spyware/malware, but "THE SAME USERS" were claiming that it was pretty good anyway, and that people should get this version, because it played better than any of the other versions out there. People are seriously so stupid. They get what they deserve.

Re:Improve security please! (1)

DeathFromSomewhere (940915) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380633)

And you don't seem to think that it's a problem that an obvious spyware / copyright infringement app was trending in the official app store?

Re:Improve security please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380725)

Yep, something like that would never happen in a more tightly controlled appstore [arstechnica.com] ... Oh, wait.

Re:Improve security please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380793)

I'm missing the part where the app took your contact list and uploaded it to who knows where and then racked up a phone bill. Or maybe you didn't read the conversation.

Re:Improve security please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380903)

Pretty sure any app in appstore could simply take your contact list and upload it wherever it wants even without a courtesy of asking user first until recent rules update after a few scandals, so you'd better grab a proxy and check that all apps you've got behave.

You're right on the second part, and it only serves to prove you can't cure stupid - to upload your contact list you don't need any permission out of usual (or no permissions at all on iOS), but to rack up your phone bill app has to clearly state that it call paid numbers before install.

Re:Improve security please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380061)

Actually... (sorry apple fan boys) Android's security is much better than the iPhones. (Their web browser doesn't run as root first of all)

Mobile Safari hasn't run as root since iOS 3.0 (or perhaps even 2.0). For more information about iOS security, see
this white paper for a rather comprehensive overview of modern iOS security features: http://images.apple.com/ipad/business/docs/iOS_Security_May12.pdf

Things have changed quite a lot over the last few major iOS releases.

Re:Improve security please! (4, Informative)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379413)

you don't need an AV client on android. in fact, all they do is compare applications you install against a blacklist. all they can do is warn you about blacklisted apps. that's it.

the security model of android (and many other operating systems) sandboxes apps. an app can't access any other app's data unless some special arrangement is made between them.

every android app is required to state the permissions it requires to run (internet, location, etc). these are presented to the user before they install an application.

users must actively allow applications to be installed outside of the android market.

Re:Improve security please! (1)

DogDude (805747) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379529)

I don't know about that. I have a Windows Phone, and every time there's been a widespread security concern in the past few months, it's been for the i* and Android, but NOT the Windows phones, because, as I've been told and read, that Windows Phone was the only one out of the three that *really* sandboxes 3rd party applications. I'm confused.

Only Android (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379741)

it's been for the i* and Android, but NOT the Windows phones

No, not for iOS devices either...

It's been for Android because they don't care what app stores you use, and have a permission model that asks for permissions around resources before you have any context or understanding of why it's asking for what permission.

iOS has just as good an application sandbox as Windows Phone.

Not fine-grained enough (2)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379915)

an app can't access any other app's data unless some special arrangement is made between them.

Except it's not possible under Android to make such arrangements fine-grained enough to be both secure and useful. Either a program has full read and write privileges on the mass storage or it has none; there is no middle ground as I understand it.

Re:Improve security please! (3, Insightful)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379551)

What qualitative differences are there between general purpose computers, and mobile general purpose computers, that should makes mobile computing immune to malicious software?

It's a trade-off. Either you are allowed to install anything on your device, and are willing to wear the consequences, or you're not, and can choose from an accepted white-list of products that a trusted third party has validated clean. I can understand why some consumers choose to be limited (especially business consumers), but saying that one choice is better than another is just stupid.

And actually, when it comes to technical measures, Android's security is better, and more finely grained than iOS. iOS security model revolves around the idea that bad apps won't be running, because Apple will have stopped them being installed in the first place.

I accidentally the whole SD card. (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379937)

Android's security is better, and more finely grained than iOS.

The Android devices that I've tried have the internal memory partitioned into about half a GB for "system" and the rest for "storage", and every application with the permission to read and write storage can read and write all of storage. There's no way to limit an Android application to only one specific folder on storage.

Re:I accidentally the whole SD card. (1)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380079)

Yeah, which enables apps to do things like load up and modify files they didn't create, just as they can on a general-purpose computer. It's part of that trade-off I mentioned. Android apps are compelled to tell you exactly what they want permissions to do; you can make your own decision as to whether you trust an app with those permissions. iOS apps don't provide you with that information, but are all governed by the default permissions enforced by Apple.

I agree it might be nice to have two separate permissions: "access sandbox storage" and "access global storage", or some such, but I imagine the demand for that sort of feature is fairly low.

Re:Improve security please! (1)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380461)

I would think the update process needs to be improved from a security perspective. My understanding is that it is solely tied to the device manufacturer, that if Google releases an update (of any kind) it's completely up to the OEM as to whether you get that? To me that sounds like a significant security concern, or am I incorrect on that?
I know there is a large community around modding so there's always that route if your device is popular I suppose (and able to be boot loader unlocked).

So I guess the question is if updates are solely tied to the manufacturer then which one is best to go with?
And if the community is a better option then which model(s) are best supported in the modding community?

Sounds pretty! (1)

Random Data (538955) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379145)

I want one, just so I can call it Rachael.

Re:Sounds pretty! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40379245)

No benchmark of this tablet will be complete without mentioning how it does on a Voight-Kampf test.

Nexus 7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40379467)

Reminds me of Blade Runner.

So... (1)

slasho81 (455509) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379579)

So basically, this post is news that we'll have some news next week. Very informative. Thank you.

Re:So... (1)

whoop (194) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380297)

Not only that, but someone on the inside has leaked out that during this Google I/O thing, information will come out about something! This is astounding! I thought Google I/O was going to go by with no announcements of any sort. So, seeing this, it just blows my mind.

What will Google do next???

BTW, why not throw in a leak that Jelly Bean (or whatever is next) info will be given out too. Ice Cream Sandwich is 8 months old now, so information should be pretty soon.

Re:So... (1)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380473)

Oh come on, you know we can only trust leaks from anonymous sources close to google!

Narrower edges. (1)

PepsiMax (1335533) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379663)

When will anybody release a tablet with very narrow edges. A lot of potential screen area is taken by the edges.

A place to hold the tablet (2)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379965)

The bezel gives the user a place to hold the tablet without activating on-screen controls.

Re:A place to hold the tablet (1)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380665)

The bezel gives the user a place to hold the tablet without activating on-screen controls.

And in my experience, if you get fidgety (say, you're watching a feature-length movie on Netflix) that's not always enough.

Re:Narrower edges. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380011)

You mean the bezel? People take a bit of bezel in exchange for a thinner device. They've got to stuff components somewhere!

Good, now market it (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 2 years ago | (#40379953)

This is good news, most of Google's hardware/software things are pretty awesome, but are marketed pathetically. Such as the Nexus series of phones. The Nexus Galaxy was a bit better with marketing, but they should have gone for all of the "big 4".

Please Google, sell this in retail stores all around, Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Target, etc. and don't make this be such a niche product where you have to order online and hope its as good as the reviews say.

Google has an advantage to all the rest of the tablets: it actually updates its stuff. I've got an Android phone I love (Samsung Captivate Glide) but annoyed at the fact that it /still/ has not received Ice Cream Sandwich. I suppose I'll root it eventually, but I'll keep the warranty... for now.

Dream Tablet (2)

ad454 (325846) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380389)

Although I love my iPad3 64GB and its retina display that really is indispensable for document reading, web, e-mail, etc., the iPad3 still has a lot of shortcomings.

If I was to design my dream tablet-phone it would have:

* Wi-Fi, 4G, GSM + CDMA (including audio for phone calls), BlueTooth, and NFC (with security element for Wallet and Authentication)
* 7 inch size, which fits nicely in my purse and eliminates the need to carry a separate tablet
* edge-to-edge-to-edge OLED display without any bezel
* "retina" resolution, well beyond 1080p, Apple has shown this is needed
* GPS (with offline turn-by-turn maps)
* true USB host support, none of this restrictive camera connection kit garbage
* mini-SD slot
* HMDI-out slot
* kick-stand + thin smart-cover like keyboard, like those in new Microsoft Surface Tablets
* pointy stylus, like Samsung Note
* high quality and high resolution rear camera with LED flash, and works in low light (indoors), supports RAW photos and 1080p video
* 64GB min flash

I would be okay with iOS, Android, and maybe Windows, provided that there is enough decent apps, and one can get access to the underlying OS (via jailbreak/root).

Re:Dream Tablet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380769)

* "retina" resolution, well beyond 1080p, Apple has shown this is needed

No, Apple's "retina" resolution is only 264 PPI; on a 7" screen that would be 1600x900 (16:9) or 1500x1100ish (4:3).

And that was actually Fujitsu who "has shown this is needed", with the U2010, which had a 1280x800 5.6" screen with essentially the same resolution (270 PPI) -- 4 years ago.

Re:Dream Tablet (1)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380813)

* 7 inch size, which fits nicely in my purse and eliminates the need to carry a separate tablet
* "retina" resolution, well beyond 1080p, Apple has shown this is needed

Why would you need something "well beyond" 1080p on a 7" tablet?

Underpowered wifi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380581)

I hope it has underpowered wifi just like the galaxy nexus, and they charge a restocking fee when customers return it.

infor8ative tacoTaco (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380603)

paper towels bombshe7l hit has steadily MAKES ME S8ICK JUST

You Nexus 7, Huh? (2)

cstacy (534252) | more than 2 years ago | (#40380797)

I only do "i"s.

What are the real uses? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40380847)

Don't mean to troll here but I have not found anything in these touch pads that I could honestly use in everyday life.
I got a free one from attending a product rollout and besides installing a bunch of swiss knife like apps my Samsung Galaxy SII is more functional.

Sure they make great e-readers but what else?

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