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BT Starts Blocking the Pirate Bay

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the no-free-movies-for-you dept.

Censorship 162

judgecorp writes "The UK's largest ISP, BT, has obeyed a court order to block The Pirate Bay, following similar moves by five other service providers, after complaints by music trade body BPI. The Pirate Bay says it can continue regardless through workarounds. From the article: 'BT has started blocking access to The Pirate Bay, becoming the sixth major ISP to prevent access to the file-sharing service. It follows blocks enforced by Orange, Virgin, Sky, TalkTalk and O2, after they all obeyed a court order made in April. BT, which has been in ongoing discussions with trade body the BPI over how it would carry out a block, had not been hit with such an order until this week.'"

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Fucking morons. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40394533)

People will get around the blocks, people will pirate shit, people won't care.
Stupid ISPs.

Re:Fucking morons. (1, Informative)

multiben (1916126) | about 2 years ago | (#40394549)

They've been ordered to block it by the courts.

Re:Fucking morons. (4, Insightful)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 2 years ago | (#40395259)

You have to admit, aside from the "Stupid ISPs," his post was pretty dead-on. Someone wanted this, and they are fucking morons, and people will get around the blocks to pirate.

Re:Fucking morons. (0, Troll)

million_monkeys (2480792) | about 2 years ago | (#40395261)

They've been ordered to block it by the courts.

I love that your entire post is nothing more than a restatement of a fact presented in the 1st line of the summary... and it got modded +5 informative. Nothing against you, I just think some mods have a pretty low standard of what's informative. I wonder if my "You are currently reading slashdot." [slashdot.org] post will get modded informative.

Re:Fucking morons. (5, Insightful)

xenobyte (446878) | about 2 years ago | (#40395405)

And that is... what? A sanity check? Oh the COURTS ordered it? So it must be fine and dandy?

Of course not. Welcome to the Moron Club. The courts (which do appear also to be a members of the Moron Club) do their work based on the laws passed and other previous judgments, making the lawgivers obvious members of the Moron Club too.

The fact is that:

1) The Pirate Bay does nothing criminal. They host no illegal material nor do they link to it. They host a list of hashes not derived in any way from illegal materials. They are just data that are useless on their own.

2) Blocking access to information is censorship in it's pure form. No democracy should allow any form of censorship.

3) Any block can be easily circumvented. It's nothing but symbolic and does more harm than good on every level.

Re:Fucking morons. (2)

Rainbowdash (2645097) | about 2 years ago | (#40395785)

It is true that in our brilliant minds TBP isn't doing anything illegal. However they still got deemed as doing illegal shit according to the Swedish Court system (not saying it's right). These are facts, and due to one country saying it's illegal it's going to pop up in more countries... Once the snowball starts rolling you know

Re:Fucking morons. (3, Informative)

jeremyp (130771) | about 2 years ago | (#40395903)

The fact is that:

1) The Pirate Bay does nothing criminal. .

Under British law it is entirely possible that they have committed an offence of Assisting or Encouraging a crime [cps.gov.uk] . Everybody knows it is a site designed to help people get free access to material that they would otherwise have to pay for. It's even called The Pirate Bay.

Blocking access to information is censorship in it's pure form. No democracy should allow any form of censorship.

This is bullshit on so many levels. Firstly, if The Pirate Bay is only hosting "a list of hashes .... that are useless on their own" how can it be considered censorship to block access to The Pirate Bay?

Secondly, there is no censorship if an information provider refuses to publish all of their information. Is it censorship for me to refuse to put my credit card number on my web site? No. Furthermore, there is no censorship if an information provider demands money for access to its information. If it were censorship then admission fees to cinemas would be censorship and they are not.

The vast majority of material that the "useless" hashes on The Pirate Bay allow you to access is available through legitimate means elsewhere. This whole thing is not about anything so virtuous as freedom of information, it is about money: whether you have to hand some over to somebody else or not if you want to watch your favourite TV show.

Re:Fucking morons. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40396095)

how can it be considered censorship to block access to The Pirate Bay?

What!? Are you saying it's not censorship to censor an entire website?

Secondly, there is no censorship if an information provider refuses to publish all of their information.

It is if they're actively blocking the material. Under your definition, censorship doesn't even exist in any form. A religious website was blocked because someone found it objectionable? Not censorship. Completely okay.

I think your definition of censorship is pure nonsense.

Is it censorship for me to refuse to put my credit card number on my web site?

That information was never public in the first place.

If it were censorship then admission fees to cinemas would be censorship and they are not.

It's clear that you have no idea what censorship is. Blocking the content itself would be censorship.

Re:Fucking morons. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40396187)

The fact is that:

1) The Pirate Bay does nothing criminal. They host no illegal material nor do they link to it

What happens when you click on those blue links? Nothing happens I guess. Its a joke website right !?

They are just data that are useless on their own.

I see. So why don't they just put random hashes. What is the goal of distributing those specific hashes?

2) Blocking access to information is censorship in it's pure form. No democracy should allow any form of censorship.

I agree. Allowing Game of Thrones or Max Paying 3 to be distributed is certainly critical to the functioning of a society that depends so heavily on "information". Who cares about all the free shit that Public Libraries have.. GTA IV will truly advance civilization.

Re:Fucking morons. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40395753)

BT are shit. Don't use BT. Don't let friends use BT. Overpriced, incompetent and censored. Fuck BT.

Re:Fucking morons. (2)

cornjones (33009) | about 2 years ago | (#40395939)

they have the best prices around for the FTTC (and I _love_ my infinity).. and they were the only major ISP in the UK that balked at this court order. There is plenty wrong w/ them but at least they made a (half) stand.

All the king's men (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40394559)

These poor retards actually think they're fighting a successful action against "the pirates".
And what say we?

Harrrrr

Re:All the king's men (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40395025)

These poor retards actually think they're fighting a successful action against "the pirates".
And what say we?

We do not sow?

Re:All the king's men (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40395031)

What is dead can never die, but rises again harder and stronger.

Re:All the king's men (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40396075)

That's what SHE said!

BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40394561)

These stupid fucks, will never learn.
Torrents are just the new way of doing P2P. You can not block P2P. It's impossible.

If someone wants something, All they have to do is ask their pirate buddies to get it for them and relay it back.

The only way to stop pirating is to kill the internet. THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN..

The only way you are going to prevent people from downloading shit, is to upload viruses with the music/movies that will kill media programs on the computer.

Than people will start getting scared about what they download and it will happen less.
Fight fire with fire you dumb shits!

Dont throw water on a greek fire. That's just stupid

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (4, Insightful)

iluvcapra (782887) | about 2 years ago | (#40394615)

These stupid fucks, will never learn.
Torrents are just the new way of doing P2P. You can not block P2P. It's impossible.

Yes, blocking at the backbone level can be defeated. With freedom.

Face it, Bittorrent is P2P but TPB is not. It's fundamentally a single domain name bound to an IP addy, it's a brand; TPB only works because people know they can reliably type "thepiratebay.se" or some similar easy-to-remember name and it'll get referred. TPB can start playing games with different names and proxies and referrers etc., but this'll knock out 90% of the casual users.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (4, Informative)

Hamsterdan (815291) | about 2 years ago | (#40394671)

Or use Google to search for "stuffiwant .torrent" and the results will popup from Extratorrent, Isohunt, Kat, and such. There's even a .torrent search extension for Firefox. If people want to download it, THEY WILL...

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (3, Insightful)

iluvcapra (782887) | about 2 years ago | (#40394751)

I am aware that Google occasionally partakes in collecting AdWords revenue off of someone else's movie.

Just remember, you're paying $50 month for the Internet, you paid $1000 for the computer, people are constantly collecting money from advertisers based on what you see, all of this money is going to billion-dollar mega-corporations, and not a dime of it is going to the people who made the thing you're looking for.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40394817)

Clearly there is small (but according to the RIAA; significant) part of our society that clearly feels that those "people who made the thing" make enough off of it.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (2, Interesting)

iluvcapra (782887) | about 2 years ago | (#40394879)

Amazing, professional musicians average about $34k a year; I assure you Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber aren't hurting, it's the session musicians and engineers and the 99% that get cut out. Meanwhile BT is a government-owned monopoly that took in 19 billion GPB last year.

If you're trying to be anti-establishment, you're doing it wrong. If you were principled you'd boycott BT, but we all know that's not going to be the response -- it'll just be more whining about information wanting to be free, all the while feeding more cash to the people that are hostile to you, and withholding all the money from the people the make the content.

I wonder where the quotes around "people who made the thing" come from. Is there some sort of debate about that? I admit my perspective on this is a little cockeyed, I'm a sound designer and I make my living working on movies. When movie revenues go down, they don't fire the actors and the directors, they sit pretty, they aren't dispensable.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (5, Informative)

MrWeelson (948337) | about 2 years ago | (#40394937)

Small correction - BT hasn't been owned by the UK government since 1984 and the government sold their last shares in the company nearly 20 years ago.

Apart from that I agree with you.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (1)

gomiam (587421) | about 2 years ago | (#40395245)

Amazing, professional musicians average about $34k a year

I would like to see a reference that backs that number... or the median salary. Then again you seem to consider the session musicians not be professionals, even though they get paid for the sessions, which probably skews your statistics.

By the way, Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber are statistically insignificant.

I'm a sound designer and I make my living working on movies. When movie revenues go down, they don't fire the actors and the directors, they sit pretty, they aren't dispensable.

Become an actor or director then. But remember, once again, that there are actually very few actors or directors that make it big (once again, statistically insignificant when considering the whole actor or director population).

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (5, Informative)

arkhan_jg (618674) | about 2 years ago | (#40395475)

Meanwhile BT is a government-owned monopoly that took in 19 billion GPB last year.

Well that's three mistakes in one sentence. Well done! BT was privatized in 1984, over 20 years ago! They ran a lot of adverts trying to get small investors, i.e. individuals, to buy the shares. Although a lot are owned by pension funds etc now, there's still a significant percentage of stock in individual hands. So not government owned. Nor is it a monopoly; BT is actually separate companies under one umbrella. BT Openreach owns the poles, cables and exchanges, and provides access to all other ISPs and phone service providers at the same rates - including BT openworld, the ISP arm. They're heavily regulated to ensure access, and also have price caps set by the regulator. ISPs can either use the BT openreach DSLAMS in the exchanges, or fit their own.

  Openreach for example, haven't got round to upgrading my exchange to ADSL2 yet, but talktalk and sky have both put their own in the exchange, so do offer ADSL2, and only pay BT openreach for rent of the copper line to my house - I don't pay BT directly at all, and the service is cheaper to boot. There's also virgin internet, our sole cable provider having bought up the others, who have an entirely separate infrastructure over about 60% of the country.

BT openworld is the largest single UK ISP because of its brand, but if you tot up the subscriber numbers of the top 6 (via ispreview.co.uk) they've got about 33% of that number; and there are many, many smaller ISPs that all have the same access to the same openreach phone lines and exchanges that the big 6 do. Note virgin, the cable provider, is the 2nd largest.

Finally, 19 billion? revenue is about £4 billion a quarter, but falling. Profit is more like £500 million a quarter, which includes all their sub-company profits.

If you were principled you'd boycott BT.

Why? BT are a private company providing wire and ISP services, same as the others. They have to follow court orders, just like everybody else. They were actually one of the people that fought the order hardest in court; but the judge has decided that he has the right to censor websites not in the UK, convicted of nothing in the UK, and that he can order private companies to spend their profits purely on the say so and to the supposed benefit of other private companies on the basis of zero reliable evidence, to whit Sony BMG, Warner Music, Universal Music and EMI.

If we should be boycotting anyone, if should be Sony BMG, Warner Music, Universal Music and EMI for their abuse of the legal system to require ISP censorship.

Or did you actually mean you just want us to boycott the internet because we must all be dirty pirates if we think blocking thepiratebay is wrong, and shouldn't pay for an internet connection but just send the money direct to artists for music we can't listen to because we have no method of downloading it any more?

Personally, I think you should use the pirate party's own proxy [pirateparty.org.uk] . I'd like to see the brouhaha when a political party that promotes civil liberties and digital rights has its website censored by court order.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (2)

makomk (752139) | about 2 years ago | (#40395849)

ISPs can either use the BT openreach DSLAMS in the exchanges, or fit their own.

Of course, the newest feature on the block is fibre-to-the-curb, which requires the use of BT Openreach-owned hardware for the ISPs entire network, including the links from the exchange IIRC. Plus, no matter who you're getting ADSL from you're reliant on BT Openreach for physical cabling to the exchange and their repair department is awful thanks to their monopoly - if it's an intermittent fault and it's not happening when they visit, they assume it's your equipment at fault and charge you for the visit.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (3, Insightful)

drkstr1 (2072368) | about 2 years ago | (#40394919)

Clearly there is small (but according to the RIAA; significant) part of our society that clearly feels that those "people who made the thing" make enough off of it.

FALSE. We believe the "people who made the thing" are not making enough off it, while the middle men that sit between the artist and consumer use their power and influence to extract money from the process, are. If you support the artists, pirate every fucking thing you can, and spend that money on live shows instead. The music distribution business as, it exists, is no longer needed. What artists need are PR firms and managers. People who work for THEM.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (0)

iluvcapra (782887) | about 2 years ago | (#40394965)

Representations about the sort of split artists have with "middle men" are casually fraudulent [wordpress.com] and slanted pro-Free Content propaganda. "Pirating everything" just puts money in the pocket of ISPs, it doesn't help the artist in any material way -- Comcast, Google and AT&T thank you for your "Piracy (for Civil Disobedience)", they profit smartly off it! A hell of a lot more than the musician does.

What the fuck does an "Android, C#, Ron Paul" fanboy know about music industry contracts?

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (3, Informative)

BlueStrat (756137) | about 2 years ago | (#40395093)

Representations about the sort of split artists have with "middle men" are casually fraudulent [wordpress.com] and slanted pro-Free Content propaganda.

Yeah, sure. "Pro-Free Content propaganda" my ass.

The link below is a more accurate description of how the "music biz" works as it relates to artists and their relationship with the labels.

http://www.negativland.com/news/?page_id=17 [negativland.com]

BTW, I'm a semi-pro musician myself and I also hope the labels and distributors go belly-up. So do the signed artists I work & perform with regularly. The only signed artists that care about people sharing music are the very few at the top that are being marketed hard by the labels and have sold out (Metallica, I'm looking at YOU), or are in a weak position with their label and cave to pressure to join the anti-sharing propaganda machine.

Strat

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | about 2 years ago | (#40395401)

"Pirating everything" just puts money in the pocket of ISPs

Even if you didn't download everything, chances are you'd still need an internet connection (or, at the very least, have one). So downloading everything probably won't put any more money in the pockets of ISPs than usual.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (2)

nomadic (141991) | about 2 years ago | (#40394991)

"FALSE. We believe the "people who made the thing" are not making enough off it, while the middle men that sit between the artist and consumer use their power and influence to extract money from the process, are."

So the answer is to make sure the "people who made the thing" make NOTHING off it instead of too little. All I know about the people at TPB is they deserve my money even less than the middlemen.

"if you support the artists, pirate every fucking thing you can, and spend that money on live shows instead."

My favorite artists don't do live shows, or don't do them near me.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (2)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about 2 years ago | (#40395837)

My favorite artists don't do live shows, or don't do them near me.

So buy merchandise. Or, post on their fan forums, start a Facebook group etc. stating that you want a gig in $city. If enough people join, they may well do one.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (1)

bertok (226922) | about 2 years ago | (#40394869)

And not a dime of it is going to the people who made the thing you're looking for.

That's their own fault.

Content providers refuse to accept money [theoatmeal.com] for the service that the customers want, while The Pirate Bay provides a superior service for free [thenextweb.com] .

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | about 2 years ago | (#40394913)

In order to make this argument, you have to concede that the creators are entitled to be paid for their work, and that your problem is only over the mechanics of delivery and price discovery. Is that right?

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (1)

inasity_rules (1110095) | about 2 years ago | (#40395283)

I think most people do. Heck if I could pirate avernum for the iPad (not available in my region and nobody has ripped it), I'd send Jeff Vogel the cash....

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (1)

EdIII (1114411) | about 2 years ago | (#40395613)

Pretty Much.

Although, I want to expand upon the idea of entitlement. I believe that it is in the best interests of society to temporarily entitle creators to be paid for their contributions in that it helps create new content for the Public Domain. I don't care about the creators nearly as much as I care about the concept of the Public Domain. It represents the sum of knowledge, all of our art, all of the hard work and expressions of our ancestors that allow us the luxury of near instantaneous communication on a magic machine.

Creators are not entitled to "own" their works or ideas. Those are free from their inception, and until the ends of time itself. For the time being until we evolve into a more advanced society it just makes sense to help the creators have clothes, food, and shelter.

If the content providers (not always the creators) are Total Dicks and want to attach more to the transaction than simply give-me-my-shit-I-give-you-the-money, then they deserve everything they get. They have no ethical basis to maintain a presence in my home post-sale, nor to constrain my conduct with the content. The only two exceptions being distribution and public performance.

So yes, my problem is the delivery method, what is delivered, different prices and capabilities based on arbitrary time lines and geography, and sometimes complete lack of availability. If you don't make it available for sale, my viewpoint is that you just lost any entitlements to the material. Especially with digital distribution and the costs being so low.

If they are willing to let me have it, on my terms, at a reasonable price, they can have my money. I currently pay for a number of services, Netflix, Slacker, etc. and purchase DVD collections of TV shows, so I am no stranger to paying for stuff.

My terms are quite reasonable too. No DRM. No PUOs on the media players. No commercials or advertisements dispersed throughout the content. No dick-brained attempts at binding me to legal agreements well outside the scope and spirit of copyright to prevent me from media shifting, time shifting, etc.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40395745)

In order to make this argument, you have to concede that the creators are entitled to be paid for their work

Wait... why? What if you're not saying that creators are entitled to be paid, but that they should at least have set up a way for someone to pay them if they choose to do so? It's possible for someone to argue in that way.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40394767)

Don't forget that TPB is just an indexer of magnet links and those magnet links are everywhere, like in demonoid.me, BTDigg, and many other sites.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 2 years ago | (#40395039)

Or use Google to search for "stuffiwant .torrent" and the results will popup from Extratorrent, Isohunt, Kat, and such. There's even a .torrent search extension for Firefox. If people want to download it, THEY WILL...

Even then, all that would be needed to stop piracy is to make illegal distributing .torrent files containing copyrighted material. And while the sites themselves don't host the files behind a torrent, it's obvious that they are the vehicle which makes it possible to copy the warez. Then they just snipe down Extratorrent, Isohunt, Kat, etc. and ultimately there's not much to be found in Google results either.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 2 years ago | (#40395055)

Even then, all that would be needed to stop piracy

Well, I have to take back some of my bullshit by adding that while killing the public torrent scene might be possible, pirated files would probably still have a bright future in some other forms in Internet...

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 2 years ago | (#40395423)

There are already distributed search engines for .torrent files and technically there are still a lot more possibilities.
Google, TPB and all the other torrent sites are just more convenient; they are by no means an essential part of the infrastructure.
In fact, .torrent files itself are just a specific implementation of a concept, and could (and will eventually) be replaced by something more advanced.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | about 2 years ago | (#40395427)

Even then, all that would be needed to stop piracy is to make illegal distributing .torrent files containing copyrighted material.

You cannot stop copyright infringement with laws alone. In any case, this approach would probably involve the US proclaiming, once again, that it is the king of the world, as it seizes websites in completely different countries... Or the RIAA/MPAA could go the usual route and bribe every politician. Either way, corruption will be rampant.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40394723)

TPB is just an indexer of magnet links and those magnet links are everywhere, so it's impossible to block at the core.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40394909)

TPB can start playing games with different names and proxies and referrers etc., but this'll knock out 90% of the casual users.

Can you back those 90% somehow? I don't believe for a second that it's 90% or even close.

Furthermore, what will the reaction be when said BT block is shown to have zero effect?

I hate BPI and the fucking "industry" as a whole.

I don't hate actors, directors, writers, stage crew members, musicians, poets, painters and/or any other kind of artist.

I hate the industry and the fucking leeches within it who stop at nothing to keep draining money out of everyone else.

Just the other week, I paid for music which is available for zero cost, i.e no payment at all, at bandcamp. Why? Because I want to help the artist. So no, I don't "want everything for free" as someone is sure to be thinking.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (1)

Ginger Unicorn (952287) | about 2 years ago | (#40396159)

Can you back those 90% somehow? I don't believe for a second that it's 90% or even close.

I can smell some kind of tautological No True Scotsman logic where "casual users" are defined as the people of whom 90% will leave due to this disruption.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (1)

Inda (580031) | about 2 years ago | (#40395817)

Those 90% have already asked me how to access TPB.

I only have nine links to give them.

Nine.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (1, Interesting)

master5o1 (1068594) | about 2 years ago | (#40394625)

Also to be in cahoots with the Anti-virus industry such that the RIAA/MPAA viruses aren't detected by AV scanners. Actually, have them detected but be 'impossible' to remove without taking it in to someone....and that someone is obligated to report the attempted copyright infringement instances.

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (1)

nomadic (141991) | about 2 years ago | (#40394993)

You don't need to block EVERY user grabbing copyrighted material, you just need to block the casual ones.

To what end? (1)

srussia (884021) | about 2 years ago | (#40395033)

You don't need to block EVERY user grabbing copyrighted material, you just need to block the casual ones.

I agree so far, but please finish your thought: "(...) you just need to block the casual ones..." in order to achieve what exactly?

Re:BLOCK ALL YOU WANT (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | about 2 years ago | (#40395439)

All while the more technical ones give the "casual ones" easy workarounds. But really, these people are at least proficient enough to use bittorrent, so I don't really see any such blocks preventing them from using a workaround.

Will it work? (1)

spyder-implee (864295) | about 2 years ago | (#40394565)

Can any BT subscriber comment on weather your average deck-hand will have any trouble getting around the block? I know it's quite easy for the black-beards and peg-legs, but what will it mean for the average user? Do TPB crew have enough experience bypassing blocks that most wont even know it's been blocked?

Re:Will it work? (4, Informative)

nabsltd (1313397) | about 2 years ago | (#40394757)

Not a BT subscriber, but this proxy list [piratereverse.info] works for all the other UK ISPs that "block" TPB.

Re:Will it work? (2)

kefkahax (915895) | about 2 years ago | (#40394973)

Being proud to provide that service, in direct defiance, I can say that I personally have almost 40 other domains and 18 IPs in 3 countries. And, if either happens, the one that I have provided becomes burdened or the one that I have provided is blocked, I will quickly launch another one and will see about my legal options of fighting it. Come at me, bro.

Re:Will it work? (2)

w0mprat (1317953) | about 2 years ago | (#40396089)

Lets not use the term blocking. The website isn't really blocked as such. It's not possible to "Block" a website on the internet. It's only possible to disable a means of resolving and reaching a URL within a system that you can control.

Someone please tell the authorities this.

Re:Will it work? (3, Funny)

c0lo (1497653) | about 2 years ago | (#40394903)

Can any BT subscriber comment on weather

Sure s/he can. In UK, commenting on weather is very much like "Can I buy you a drink?" in US.

IPv6 too? (3, Funny)

lemur3 (997863) | about 2 years ago | (#40394623)

I noticed after the recent ipv6 thing that visiting TPB will show a little thing at the bottom of the page indicating that im accessing it using ipv6..

changing DNS servers is easy enough for most anyone.. id imagine that they are blocking IPs ...

is access via ipv6 a thing they are blocking ?

slippery slope (5, Insightful)

damonlab (931917) | about 2 years ago | (#40394661)

I remember when ISPs provided free unlimited newsgroup access. Then they offered free newsgroup access through a third party with a data usage cap. Then they cut off free newsgroups altogether. Now there is something completely out of their control on the general Internet that they are trying to block access to. So much for the old wild west freedom of the Internet. Business and government interests are all so ready to curtail total freedom of information. I see a dark future full of censorship and paywalls.

Re:slippery slope (2)

Greyfox (87712) | about 2 years ago | (#40394819)

It's not particularly hard to set up your own damn newsgroups. With hookers. And blackjack. They used to bitch at MCI back in the '90's that netnews was their single largest consumer of bandwidth. I don't recall the exact number quoted but it was on the order of several terabytes every few days. That was a mind-boggling number back then. Funnily enough it's all just store-and-forward messaging between parties that have agreed to store and forward messages. Anyone with the right software can set it up. If enough people agree to do it, you end up with netnews. Back then it was not uncommon to set it up over a modem and have to pay long distance charges for it. You'd think it'd be a lot easier these days. Netnews will probably be all that's left after the media companies have killed off the Internet.

Re:slippery slope (2)

Asic Eng (193332) | about 2 years ago | (#40396189)

I think ISPs stop providing newsgroup access as people stopped caring about Usenet. Why maintain an additional server for a tiny minority of your users? The bulk of their customers want Facebook and Twitter.

Things that won't be said: (5, Funny)

Lord_of_the_nerf (895604) | about 2 years ago | (#40394669)

'Gosh, now that it's mildly inconvenient to download things for free, I'm going to have to go to HMV for all my media needs!'

'If only there was another torrent site. But the internet couldn't possibly support TWO!'

'Wow, with all this extra money coming in from ex-pirates, we should begin transferring these extra profits onto THE ARTISTS!'

Re:Things that won't be said: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40395181)

P.S.: 'I will now use all the money that I have left over to "buy" music on iTunes instead. ALL the ZERO dollars!' ^^

Just you wait... (5, Insightful)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about 2 years ago | (#40394755)

Blocking -- or atleast trying to block -- Pirate Bay and similar websites is just a temporary measure, there's bound to be worse stuff coming. As I already mentioned on my Google+ - page about the recent confirmation of the Flame-malware being written by the U.S. government and the U.S. government basically saying they have the right to target, track, spy and eliminate anyone they want, anywhere in the world, at any time, and even using illegal means to do so is all right, and that no other country in the world has any say in that, it doesn't seem to me all too far-fetched that with enough lobbying from RIAA/MPAA the U.S. government will write similar malware that targets pirates -- both the ones posting copyright-infringing material and the ones downloading such.

Re:Just you wait... (0)

kamapuaa (555446) | about 2 years ago | (#40395009)

Do you watch Rocky 4 and root for Ivan Drago? Your anti-US screed is totally pointless and tiresome and comes apropos of nothing.

Re:Just you wait... (3, Informative)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about 2 years ago | (#40395061)

Do you watch Rocky 4 and root for Ivan Drago?

No, I don't watch Rocky and I don't know who Ivan Drago is.

Your anti-US screed is totally pointless and tiresome and comes apropos of nothing.

Yet you do not provide any actual counter-arguments. It *is* a known fact that both Stuxnet and Flame were written by the U.S., and it *is* a known fact that they recorded huge amounts of personal data and resorted to illegal means for doing that and they targeted entities that were not located on U.S. soil. So pray tell, what in my post is inaccurate?

Re:Just you wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40395215)

It *is* a known fact that both Stuxnet and Flame were written by the U.S., and it *is* a known fact that they recorded huge amounts of personal data and resorted to illegal means for doing that and they targeted entities that were not located on U.S. soil. So pray tell, what in my post is inaccurate?

Your entire statement is inaccurate. Post your evidence or STFU.

Re:Just you wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40395577)

Yet you do not provide any actual counter-arguments. It *is* a known fact that both Stuxnet and Flame were written by the U.S., and it *is* a known fact that they recorded huge amounts of personal data and resorted to illegal means for doing that and they targeted entities that were not located on U.S. soil. So pray tell, what in my post is inaccurate?

Illegal implies it violates a law; pray tell, what law prevents recording information about foreign entities not protected by the US constitution?

Your fear mongering is inaccurate and unbelievable because you claim that in protecting their country by collection against non-US citizens on non-US soil in an attempt to locate terrorists is equivalent to targeting US citizens on US soil for pirating movies.

Do you not see the hyperbole and unreasonable jump?

Re:Just you wait... (1)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | about 2 years ago | (#40395973)

I guess GP meant "illegal according to the laws of the countries where Stuxnet and Flame were used". This may or may not be correct (who on /. knows the details of Iranian laws about computer sabotage?).

But your answer illustrates one of the reasons why the US are not very popular in the rest of the world:
The attitude of "only our laws count, fuck the rest of the world".

Re:Just you wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40396093)

But your answer illustrates one of the reasons why the US are not very popular in the rest of the world:
The attitude of "only our laws count, fuck the rest of the world".

That's actually not what I was saying and your response illustrates why these discussions are almost always pointless; hyperbole and fear mongering cause anti-US lobbyists to jump to conclusions.

I'm not a US citizen, I've never been to the US and I'm in now way related to anyone who is.

The point is that as the people conducting the attack were located in the US during the attack they are only bound by US and international law (not local Iranian law) and therefore did not break any laws. It's disingenuous to say otherwise--there are no international computer espionage laws and it is certain that many many countries conduct foreign monitoring. In fact I challenge you to list a country that does not have a foreign signals intelligence agency that operates under the exact same legal framework; that collection against international (non-native) citizens is completely and utterly legal.

Re:Just you wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40395645)

[credible citation needed]

Re:Just you wait... (1)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about 2 years ago | (#40395779)

No, I don't watch Rocky and I don't know who Ivan Drago is.

Rocky's a flying squirrel. I guess that makes Ivan Drago some kind of moose.

Re:Just you wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40395367)

'MERICA! FUCK YEAH! ...
What a fuckin' stupid thought-terminating clichee.

What has your nonsense to do with *anything*? I would just have to replace the "anti" with "pro" and have the same fake argument against you. Watch:
> Do you watch Rocky 4 and root for Ivan Drago?
> Your blind pro-US screed is totally pointless and tiresome and comes apropos of nothing.
[Because nowadays, the USA *IS* Ivan Drago.]

Yes, I don’t root for the USA nowadays. Because I THINK, instead of blindly falling into black and white extremes. And because I KNOW all the atrocities the US government did, and the US citizens did nothing against. Yet still, I like the NASA, and people like Jon Steward (when he’s not calling mass-murderers "heroes" again)
Now what?

Re:Just you wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40395193)

As I already mentioned on my Google+ - page

We don't care, we haven't read your page, we're not going to read your page, and there's no reason to even bring it up.

about the recent confirmation of the Flame-malware being written by the U.S. government

There has been no confirmation. There's one guy who is writing a book who claims to have a source which claims Stuxnet was written by the US/Israel. The basis for the claim that Flame was written by the same people is a copied section of code, and as we all know it's 100% impossible for anybody else to re-use anybody else's code (rolls eyes). I'm not saying it wasn't the US, I'm simply pointing out that we should be a little suspicious since the ONLY thing we know for sure is the publicly known source has an obvious conflict of interest.

and the U.S. government basically saying they have the right to target, track, spy and eliminate anyone they want, anywhere in the world, at any time, and even using illegal means to do so is all right, and that no other country in the world has any say in that,

Uh, yea that's the definition of a Sovereign Nation. Same goes for any other Sovereign Nation, unless they willingly restrict themselves. And you didn't say illegal under whose laws, so that's just pure hyperbole.

it doesn't seem to me all too far-fetched that with enough lobbying from RIAA/MPAA the U.S. government will write similar malware that targets pirates

You're equating the development of nuclear weapons with chasing copyright infringement. If that's not far-fetched then nothing is. +4 Informative my fucking ass.

Re:Just you wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40395981)

fucking ass

Yes, indeed you are one.

Re:Just you wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40395203)

Well, then there will be a time, when the US government Internet is physically segregated from the free Internet.

I'd like to see them try to cut every single data wire in all of the world... ^^
Guess how long it will be, before the missiles will be flying?
All it takes is a couple of Confederate flag swinging hicks to not get their porn any more.

Workaround (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40394845)

http://194.71.107.82/

https://tpb.pirateparty.org.uk/

Re:Workaround (1)

flashpaul (853528) | about 2 years ago | (#40395787)

I have a friend who has just moved to Sweden I am trying to convince him to let me route all my traffic through his home broadband connection via VPN Would be interesting if this idea became widespread In return he can route all his traffic through my home broadband connection

Gets me every time... (1, Funny)

drkstr1 (2072368) | about 2 years ago | (#40394847)

Am I the only one who gets confused when this company comes up in a storry related to Bit Torrent? It's gotten me a few times before, but this one really got me good. "BT starts blocking Pirate Bay" ... Da' fuck did I just read?

Re:Gets me every time... (1, Informative)

Finallyjoined!!! (1158431) | about 2 years ago | (#40394917)

Am I the only one who gets confused

Yep, reckon you are the only one stupid enough..

Re:Gets me every time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40394953)

You seem like such a likeable person...

Get involved with your local pirate party (4, Interesting)

loimprevisto (910035) | about 2 years ago | (#40394999)

The mirror they maintain at [pirateparty.org.uk] is yet another reason to get involved with your local pirate party. There website indicates that they can use assistance from UK residents who want to help with:

IT Team - Code
IT Team - Other
Campaigns - Design
Campaigns - Content
Campaigns - Local
Campaigns - Events
Campaigns - Candidates
Campaigns - Coordination
Campaigns - Newsletter
Treasury - Finance
Secretariat - Administration
Press - Pressteam
Leadership - Policy

Re:Get involved with your local pirate party (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about 2 years ago | (#40395125)

If a lot of popular sites where to pop up a reminder about what the users isp likes to do.... every time they visit...

Re:Get involved with your local pirate party (1, Informative)

Lincolnshire Poacher (1205798) | about 2 years ago | (#40395183)

They definitely need some assistance with Policy [pirateparty.org.uk] .

We pledge that we will not allow censorship of the Internet for anything except for in the most extreme circumstances

So, they do advocate censorship then. But only for "bad things" and presumably they think that copying movies isn't bad enough. But something else might be.

Censorship is binary: you are in favour of it or you are not. You can't have "partial censorship".

Re:Get involved with your local pirate party (2)

Kjella (173770) | about 2 years ago | (#40395665)

So, they do advocate censorship then. But only for "bad things" and presumably they think that copying movies isn't bad enough. But something else might be. Censorship is binary: you are in favour of it or you are not. You can't have "partial censorship".

And we can have either totalitarianism or anarchy, there's no partial system of government right? I know what you're saying, either the government has to stop flows of 0s and 1s or they don't. But it's a bit like saying either we give the police guns and the right to shoot people or we don't. And we do, just not any random people whenever a police officer likes it - it's a partial "license to kill". At least here in Norway there's an Internet filter and it's for one thing only - kiddie porn. Going out with a policy that says you don't allow any for of censorship whatsoever and that it should be removed is nothing short of political suicide. I'm sure you've got good arguments for why not, you can give them to the lynch mob as they hang you from the nearest tree.

Re:Get involved with your local pirate party (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | about 2 years ago | (#40395731)

I'm sure you've got good arguments for why not, you can give them to the lynch mob as they hang you from the nearest tree.

Yes, as usual, the main problem is the allegedly brainless majority, and not the actual policy.

Re:Get involved with your local pirate party (1)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | about 2 years ago | (#40396165)

You have a point about things not being black and white.

But from those who advocate partial solutions, I expect that they define clearly what they consider "bad things". And that there are checks against abuse of the system, such as the web site of the political opposition "accidentally" being blocked.

In the past, some secret filter list have been leaked and it was promptly discovered that they did not restrict themselves to "extreme cases".
Here is an example from 2009: http://mattcbr.wordpress.com/2009/03/19/australia-internet-filter-list-leaked/ [wordpress.com]

Re:Get involved with your local pirate party (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40395995)

I believe the intent behind part of the policy is to allow child porn sites to be closed down. The examples they give include "military secrets" though, which is also a bit weak: would Wikileaks be covered under that definition?

Re:Get involved with your local pirate party (2)

nickco3 (220146) | about 2 years ago | (#40396141)

Censorship is binary: you are in favour of it or you are not. You can't have "partial censorship".

Actually you can, and we do. Here's an incomplete list of exceptions to the right of free speech: slander, libel, defamation, obscenity, threatening behaviour, perjury, contempt of court, profanity, incitement to violence, noise pollution, copyright infringement, passing trade secrets, treason, espionage, conspiracy, shouting "Fire!" in a cinema, sedition, encouragement of terrorism.

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