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302 comments

Give it away now (0, Troll)

cpuh0g (839926) | more than 2 years ago | (#40397819)

They could give it away and no one would notice. RIM is dead, they just don't know it yet.

Re:Give it away now (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40397989)

They're trying to compete with the Surface for the last 1% of the tablet market.

Re:Give it away now (0, Troll)

Slyfox696 (2432554) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398101)

They could give it away and no one would notice. RIM is dead, they just don't know it yet.

I have to disagree with you. I imagine they're well aware of it.

Frosty Piss (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40397829)

You fags know you love it!

Biased much? (3, Informative)

Quakeulf (2650167) | more than 2 years ago | (#40397835)

From the summary it sounds like an advertisement for the iPad.

Re:Biased much? (3, Insightful)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398055)

Yep.

Can anything stop the all conquering iPad?

And yes.

Around half of the tablet users are now on Android, according to a recent study brought out by the Online Publisher’s Association or OPA. To be exact, 51% of them have the Google-branded device, 52% are on iOS tablets, while 8% are on those with other platforms, such as Blackberry OS.

Re:Biased much? (-1, Troll)

lilfields (961485) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398119)

And the Android tablets are measurably bad, so there is hope for the Microsoft yet...unlike what you would hear on /.

Re:Biased much? (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398459)

Not all of them. The thing is MS is not competing in that space though. The bad ones are sub $200, and the cheapest "surface" is going to be $399ish.

Re:Biased much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398589)

Oh bullshit.

Re:Biased much? (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398605)

So any reason to buy this discounted RIM tablet? I don't really see the need when I have a desktop, a laptop, and an internet-capable phone. The tablet seems pointless.

Re:Biased much? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398641)

Parent poster cpu6502 needs to tell everyone how he lied, and explain why [slashdot.org]

Re:Biased much? (1)

fa2k (881632) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398121)

To be exact, 51% of them have the Google-branded device, 52% are on iOS tablets, while 8% are on those with other platforms, such as Blackberry OS.

Did someone put a Google sticker on their iPad or did they install iOS on an Android tablet?

Re:Biased much? (1)

RoboRay (735839) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398195)

In breaking news, it is no longer illegal to have both an iPad and an Android tablet.

Re:Biased much? (0, Redundant)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398233)

In breaking news, sales figures are more meaningful than some study of unknown quality. When it comes to sales, iPad still blows away the competition by a large margin.

Re:Biased much? (1)

RoboRay (735839) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398331)

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Read the comment I replied to... He didn't understand why the percentages didn't add up to a nice 100%. Obviously, because you aren't limited to owning just one of the options.

Re:Biased much? (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398147)

How about figures based on sales numbers not some study of a couple thousand people where the selection criteria and error margin is left out.

Re:Biased much? (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398229)

So 51+52+8 = 111, it was a multiple choice study and 11% has more than one tablet? That sounds way too high for me.

Re:Biased much? (4, Interesting)

Nemyst (1383049) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398231)

I know business degrees don't usually require you to know how to count, but it's the first time I've seen marketshare stats touted around that add up to 111%.

As much as I'd like that to be the case (competition is good), I'd have issue trusting numbers with such flaws. Either it's quoted out of context or the people who did it flunk stats 101.

Re:Biased much? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398293)

Because there's no way someone would have both an iPad and and Android tablet.

Re:Biased much? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398471)

Nearly all of that 51% would be the Fire. No other Android pad has found any real success.

Re:Biased much? (1)

milkmage (795746) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398477)

market penetration is nothing without profit.

Re:Biased much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398483)

http://onlinepubs.ehclients.com/images/pdf/MMF-OPA_--_Portrait_of_Tablet_User-Wave_2_--_Jun12_%28Public%29.pdf

Page 8

52% iOS
47% Android
14% Other

The note at the bottom describes the multi-ownership situation.

Re:Biased much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398507)

So 11% have 2 tablets ? or there was 111% users in the survey ?

Re:Biased much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398639)

Windows Surface tablet looks prime to tackle the iPad conquered market.

Re:Biased much? (4, Informative)

WankersRevenge (452399) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398587)

Nope ... it's just the editor trolling for comments, for the story itself isn't that interesting. This has been happening a lot since Malda left. Apple has become a rather polarizing issue on slashdot so any article with even the slightest mention of Apple tends to draw a lot of people out of the woodwork to throw feces at each other. It must be great for ad revenue, but as a long time reader, I'm quite bored with it and find myself skipping over a lot Apple related discussion even though I'm an iOS dev.

These days I find myself more at Ars than I do here which is a shame since I used value the discussions here in such high regard. Oh well.

66%? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40397837)

Its been available at 199 for quite a while now, its only 30$ less

warranty in case of bankruptcy? (2)

rbrausse (1319883) | more than 2 years ago | (#40397863)

not that I'm highlty interested in a playbook - but does RIM have a contingency plan for insolvency and still outstanding product warranties?

Re:warranty in case of bankruptcy? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40397879)

They are hoping some /. fag buys one and tries to install linux on it.

Re:warranty in case of bankruptcy? (5, Interesting)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398347)

It amazes me how much trouble companies go through in order to avoid using free software. Just amazing. Apple did it but they locked it up by going with only BSD stuff. HP and RIM both avoided Android hoping that Android didn't matter as much as having "a tablet" did. (Hello? How long have you guys been working in the technology industries? Software is ALWAYS more important than the hardware.) Nokia did it too. They wanted to create their own thing... what? Twice? Three times? Now, still trying to avoid Android, they went with Microsoft?

This sort of denial is a kind of poison which should be used to kill CEOs of these companies. They should all be smarter than that.

Only one company has historically ever gotten away with the tactic of creating their own software/hardware ecosystem. That company is Apple. But in exchange for their success in this, they have to accept their limited corner while the bustling world of business goes on all around them.

Re:warranty in case of bankruptcy? (4, Informative)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 2 years ago | (#40397937)

Yes, it will all be nullified by the bankruptcy proceedings.

Re:warranty in case of bankruptcy? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398017)

I believe they're sitting on a large body of cash and in no danger of going under any time soon.

What I want to know is how they've fallen so quickly? Yes, Apple and Android have taken up the marketshare RIM once enjoyed, but of a much larger market than was around when they ruled the roost.

Why is RIM completely unable to use the larger market that exists to sell more smartphones (yes, I know this story is about tablets but...)?

Re:warranty in case of bankruptcy? (2)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398041)

Because their phones are clunky and offer nothing you can't get elsewhere. BES is not really a selling point these days.

Re:warranty in case of bankruptcy? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398143)

That's not an explanation, that's an observation. BB has had years to fine tune its phones, to make them fit into the newer market. The fact that many of its phones are clunky shows they haven't done this, or haven't done it enough.

Why?

Re:warranty in case of bankruptcy? (1)

lambent (234167) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398257)

Laziness and complacency. Innovation is hard. It's long been show in the technological marketplace that copying someone else's ideas (and thus letting someone else spend their money on R&D), then selling a knock-off, is a financially viable business model.

RIM just hasn't made a good copycat, yet. If they're able to ride out the storm for long enough, they'll figure out the right balance of rip-off and shininess to produce a viable product again.

Re:warranty in case of bankruptcy? (1)

Xeno man (1614779) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398359)

Because they ruled the market first as they were the only one. When you control 100% of the market share, there is no return on improving your product because you can't capture more market share, so you focus on selling. When competition arrived with better products you can do nothing but loose market shares. Increasing sales becomes the goal to return to former glory days so product improvement still falls to the wayside. Now RIM is so far behind they are doing nothing but trying to catch up while still making no improvements or innovations of their own.

Re:warranty in case of bankruptcy? (5, Insightful)

poofyhairguy82 (635386) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398431)

I think there are a few reasons why RIM didn't catch up.

Part of it was complacency. Upper management believed for far too long that RIM was unbeatable, and by the time they actually changed course it was too late.

Part of it was a lack of talent. RIM tried to make an all touch screen phone early on (the Storm came out in 2008) and it was terrible. By the Storm 2 it was obvious that the development team at RIM couldn't handle a keypad-less world, and that BB's OS couldn't keep up with the iPhone.

Part of it was poor choices. RIM worked to change OSes to fix that fact that the old BB OS didn't handle touch very well, but they made the mistake of biting on the iPad hype and they put out a tablet with the new OS before a smartphone with the new OS. The tablet failed miserably, which lost all momentum for RIM's new platform.

Part of it was a lack of vision. RIM has had some good ideas, they just lack the vision to take them that extra step. They had the first great communication platform with BBM, but they didn't think to make it seamless with texting like Apple did iMessage. They basically had the popular Kindle Fire before Amazon did, but they didn't think to try and take the "cheaper than iPad market" until it was too late.

And finally part of it was the market they catered to. Business users are often not a fan of rapid change, especially if that means the IT department has to redo how executives get their email every year. RIM ignored the consumer market for too long- when the iPhone started getting tons of fun apps you got the sense that RIM was happy its phone wasn't a "toy." By the time Apple's "toy" had added in some business functionality to encompass RIM's target market, RIM had nothing fun to offer consumers and fight Apple on their own turf. By the time they had their fun "toy" device (the Playbook, its in the name) they had to rush it out so quickly that it completely didn't fit their core market (it didn't even have email). Hence today's news.

Re:warranty in case of bankruptcy? (1)

Gilmoure (18428) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398655)

Actually the BES is their strong point. Rim should transition to enterprise mobile management and set up their .bes to monitor/control all platforms' mobile devices.

'Course, MS is hoping to get their foot in the door, mobile wi, by leveraging their enterprise management tie ins.

Re:warranty in case of bankruptcy? (1)

INeededALogin (771371) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398141)

I believe they're sitting on a large body of cash and in no danger of going under any time soon.

It is a public company... no reason to "believe" or guess...

1.77 Billion [yahoo.com] and falling.

Re:warranty in case of bankruptcy? (2)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398161)

Classic innovator's dilemma + lack of willingness to take risk to compete. aka classic big corporation fear of risk = competitors jump in quickly and take over. RIM hasn't been competing in almost 7-10 years, even beyond android they were never competitive in comparison to phones such as motorola's line of Iden 7&8 series phones and the Nokia's before that. All they ever had was the checkbox of "enterprise friendly". which is now expected of all companies and no longer a selling point for RIM.
As a similar example - android, iphone and windows phone are more towards stagnant iterative changes than "amazing new developments" anymore. Polish vs real innovation. So I wouldn't be surprised to see new competition eventually comes in, even if it takes another 5 years.

Re:warranty in case of bankruptcy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398223)

(Posting AC because I'm at work)

I believe they're sitting on a large body of cash and in no danger of going under any time soon.

They have a cash reserve (I believe it's about $1 billion, which is huge for you or I but not so huge for a company of their size) that they are ABSOLUTELY in danger of burning through rather rapidly. There's a reason why they're drastically cutting staff and killing production - they know if they don't do something drastic now they'll burn through their cash reserves in a very, very short period of time.

Why is RIM completely unable to use the larger market that exists to sell more smartphones?

Because, when the iPhone was first announced, they stuck their head in the sand and pretended that Apple didn't have anything to be afraid of rather than drastically shifting gears and design like many other manufacturers did. They felt their dominance in the smartphone market was untouchable and continued to feel that way for years afterwards. They were, to put it mildly, wrong. The iPhone utterly changed the landscape and Blackberries are now "old tech". Some (including me) would argue that it is now too late for them to shift gears and change - they've now done too much harm to their brand identity. Had they changed when everyone else did, they'd be fine. They did not.

RIM will be all-but-dead in about two quarters, despite their drastic cutbacks. They've bought themselves some time but cutting overhead but their death spiral is too drastic and their cutbacks are not going to create confidence with their primary customers (enterprise) which will end up speeding up their death spiral.

Re:warranty in case of bankruptcy? (2)

Octorian (14086) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398249)

They are using the "larger market" to sell more smartphones. The problem is that most of that market is outside of the US, and thus completely ignored by the US-centric press during their weekly rounds of RIM-bashing.

Re:warranty in case of bankruptcy? (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398313)

No they aren't. In their own statements their global sales are in a slump. If the were selling more phones their head of global sales wouldn't have resigned in May because of... poor sales.

Re:warranty in case of bankruptcy? (1)

jbolden (176878) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398261)

Up through about mid 2010 their total userbase was still growing, but slowly. With a few exceptions like Dec 2011, they've been losing users even in the face of a growing market. Basically, even people who own and like BlackBerry find the competition more compelling. Because the vast majority of the cost is the carrier data fees they can't compete on price. Of cours if they were willing to move down market to the prepay carriers and go back to their strong suit: email and texting they could be a dominant player, but I think a company that still views itself as being essentially on par with Apple has a tough time building a strategy around fighting for the $12-20 / mo market. Further going low end might poison their ability to still sell to enterprise customers, where they do still have (but are losing fast) real advantages.

Re:warranty in case of bankruptcy? (1)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398295)

RIM's sales are actually dropping now, not just a smaller piece of a larger market. they are now burning cash

RIM was good for email, that's it. app world sucked.

MS Exchange email is much better on my iphone and droid. i usually get the full email and not a fragment. i can read large emails in the NYC subway.

and my iphone has apps. yesterday my wife was worried that the kid's heart was beating too fast. no worry, there is an app for that. i measured his pulse and it was OK

oh, and most iphone apps work outside of BES/network connectivity

Re:warranty in case of bankruptcy? (1)

Tridus (79566) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398423)

Smartphones are part tool, part fashion accessory. RIM's phones completely fail at the fashion accessory part today. They're simply not the "it" device anymore. That sent sales in the consumer space into the tank.

On the other hand, the phones are also clunky when it comes to serious app use. They're really good as *phones*, but a lot of people don't actually make many phone calls on their smartphones and instead use them as small computers.

It's possible (3, Insightful)

JBMcB (73720) | more than 2 years ago | (#40397869)

Someone can beat the iPad. It will need to be substantially better (nicer UI, better hardware, longer battery life, etc...) at the same, or lower price.

Another problem is Ecosystem - Apple has a fantastic selection of movies, music, apps, etc... The closest competitor in that area is Amazon, which is probably why the Fire is the only tablet gaining significant market share against the iPad.

Re:It's possible (4, Insightful)

jimicus (737525) | more than 2 years ago | (#40397925)

Lose the fixation on price.

Seriously, it's dangerous. The entire PC industry has spent twenty years concentrating on "Cheaper! Cheaper! Cheaper!", look where it's got us. About the only company in the computer industry that's really making good money is the one that doesn't repeat "Cheaper!" like some sort of mantra. Most of the others are making spectacularly low profits considering their turnover.

Re:It's possible (3, Insightful)

Russ1642 (1087959) | more than 2 years ago | (#40397979)

This applies double to airline tickets. Consumers are the ones pushing for Cheaper! Cheaper! Cheaper! and look where that's got them.

Re:It's possible (4, Funny)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398011)

Free prostate exams?

Re:It's possible (5, Insightful)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398129)

The entire PC industry has spent twenty years concentrating on "Cheaper! Cheaper! Cheaper!", look where it's got us.

It took the price of a desktop PC from about $3600 to about $500 (in 2010 dollars) over that period, all while massively improving the technology. Yeah, that's a real loss.

See, here's the thing: What's a loss for the PC industry in terms of higher margins is a win for every industry and consumer that uses PCs for anything. That competitive pressure would cause the price to go down isn't a flaw, it's capitalism doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing.

Re:It's possible (2)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398189)

Sure, until it drives those OEMs out of business or forces them to sell their PC divisions because they can't make any money and 10s if not 100s of thousands of people get laid off in the process.

Re:It's possible (1)

JBMcB (73720) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398349)

And yet there are still TONS of companies making PCs. Go figure.

Re:It's possible (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398411)

Yeah because they've moved most of their PC building to China and laid off people domestically just to keep a hold of their meager margins.

Re:It's possible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398597)

You mean like the only company in the computer industry that's really making good money and doesn't repeat "Cheaper!" like some sort of mantra?

Re:It's possible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398503)

The entire PC industry has spent twenty years concentrating on "Cheaper! Cheaper! Cheaper!", look where it's got us.

It took the price of a desktop PC from about $3600 to about $500 (in 2010 dollars) over that period, all while massively improving the technology. Yeah, that's a real loss.

See, here's the thing: What's a loss for the PC industry in terms of higher margins is a win for every industry and consumer that uses PCs for anything. That competitive pressure would cause the price to go down isn't a flaw, it's capitalism doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing.

Yes, and it also means that all the innovation has left the PC market.

Re:It's possible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398629)

Provide an example of alternative hardware companies offering innovation with no parallel to the PC market, please.

Re:It's possible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398137)

Price is determined by the consumer. The fact is that people don't really need electronics and are inflexible in their willingness to buy.

Re:It's possible (1)

Coward Anonymous (110649) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398167)

It's not chanting it but it has everyone beat on price.

Windows 8 (1)

jbolden (176878) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398287)

One of the nice things about Metro is that to get all the features you'll need:

excellent quality and responsive touch screens with higher dpis
a very good built in trackpad
light weight

All of which are expensive. So Microsoft is on your side.

Re:It's possible (1)

Post-O-Matron (1273882) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398437)

Yeah but that company has the i-factor, this mysterious elixir that makes people get addicted to your meaningless electronic toy products as if they were crack.

Without that companies have to compete in an actual free market, where trying to be economically efficient and lowering your price is the key to survival.

Re:It's possible (1)

Herve5 (879674) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398487)

That's not untrue. I for one would definitely have bought a playbook at their initial price, would it be only from being fond of Canada and afraid of monopolies.

The thing that stopped me at the time, other than the lack of email software (now solved I understand), sadly was their key feature: the very secure way they protect data transmissions led them to hardcode many things in the Playbook, with the result simple ad filtering was rendered impossible.
(no mangling in the background with the link to internet is, of course, a security feature)

I really wanted this filtering. I really discussed in really wise and geeky forums. The only way to do it would have been to recompile the browser with an added filter : too much for me.

BTW, is there an ad filter now on the Playbook? 8-)

Old news (1)

tearmeapart (674637) | more than 2 years ago | (#40397881)

Still not interested (0, Flamebait)

Chas (5144) | more than 2 years ago | (#40397901)

The Playbook is essentially useless to anyone who doesn't own a Crackberry, since the Playbook requires a Blackberry phone for network connectivity.

As someone else said, they could be GIVING these away and I'd still have no interest.

Re:Still not interested (2)

TheNinjaroach (878876) | more than 2 years ago | (#40397931)

since the Playbook requires a Blackberry phone for network connectivity.

Where in the world are you getting this??

Re:Still not interested (5, Informative)

LaRoach (968977) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398021)

When RIM launched the playbook it didn't have native email apps for security reasons. In order to use email and calendaring you had to own a blackberry and tether it or something like that. This lead to a lot of confusion on what it's internet capabilities actually were. See here for some details: http://crackberry.com/why-rim-launching-blackberry-playbook-without-native-email-client-and-why-may-or-may-not-matter-you [crackberry.com]

Re:Still not interested (2)

isaac (2852) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398553)

It still doesn't have native BES connectivity. If it did, it might have actually sold.

Unfortunately, RIM decided they'd rather use it as a sales vehicle for their phones.

That didn't turn out so well.

The end.

Re:Still not interested (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398093)

That's just simply not true.

Re:Still not interested (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398181)

That statement is false. A BlackBerry phone isn't a necessity for network connectivity, mail, calendar, etc. It runs on any form of wi-fi, whether that be normal wi-fi or a mobile hotspot from your phone.

Re:Still not interested (2)

Octorian (14086) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398269)

And if you don't have WiFi available, it can tether over Bluetooth to any device that supports Bluetooth tethering.

The only thing you need a BlackBerry phone for is "bridge", which is a feature that makes certain apps and data on a BlackBerry phone available via the PlayBook's UI.

Huh? (1)

mister2au (1707664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40397915)

What's a Playbook?

Drop it by 90% and I might bother looking up what it is and why it would conquer the iPad ...

I have one - and it rocks (4, Informative)

DG (989) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398625)

I got a 16Gb the first time they were deeply discounted.

It was a little buggy at first, but the OS2.0 update completely fixed that.

It's blazing fast, multitasks, plays Flash, is a decent form factor, and gets incredible battery life. And now it runs Android apps to (I ported Androku over to it to run my Soundbridge - easy)

For as much as people seem to love throwing rocks at RIM, the Playbook is a great product.

DG

Less than 30 minutes remaining? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40397917)

Seems like this was posted a little late.

What OS support is available (1)

AwesomeMcgee (2437070) | more than 2 years ago | (#40397935)

What community OS's can i get up and running on the hardware of this thing? Android? Linux? iOS?

Which ones are most stable? Can someone say a few words about the hardware speediness itself, how does it stack up compared to a Tegra 2 for instance?

I may just jump on this if they are dropping the price that much, why the hell not if it's a decent piece of hardware.

Re:What OS support is available (1)

kidgenius (704962) | more than 2 years ago | (#40397983)

You can't get anything up and running on it without hardware drivers. Good luck getting those.

Re:What OS support is available (2)

Octorian (14086) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398297)

It currently runs the BlackBerry "Tablet OS", which is basically QNX 6.6 with a different UI layer on top. Its has very good multitasking, and yes, you can SSH into it.

Only wish that it was android based. (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 2 years ago | (#40397955)

I would buy it in a heartbeat.

Re:Only wish that it was android based. (1)

a_mari_usque_ad_mare (1996182) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398539)

The playbook is actually a pretty good tablet. The hardware is great, though I wish the screen resolution was a little higher. As it is, the screen is great for reading in landscape, but portrait is a little cramped.

The OS is quite good, I have tried the ios and android and find this the most intuitive of the 3. The playbook OS makes it obvious which of your apps are running, and let's you run things in the background if you wish. The OS in general feels polished and well thought out. The app store is surprisingly well supported, but it is missing 3rd party support for netflix, Skype, and the like. Also, you can wake the tablet by swiping the screen.

That said, I would have a hard time recommending the playbook because of 3rd party support and how it has fared in the marketplace. Too bad, RIM has a nice product here.

If only CM9 ran on it (1)

TheHaven (781093) | more than 2 years ago | (#40397973)

Much like the Touchpad, if you could run a decent implementation of Android on it then it would sell pretty damn fast. There's not much evidence of any development just yet although rooting is do-able.

Re:If only CM9 ran on it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398227)

At least the Touchpad already had a superior OS on it. This appears to not be the case for the playbook.

Nice hardware. Blackberry OS - not so much. (3, Interesting)

techstar25 (556988) | more than 2 years ago | (#40397977)

I recently had a chance to play with a Playbook. It's a great piece of hardware. It's a great machine for $169. If somebody could get Android 4 running on it, these things technically should outperform anything else in it's price class.

Re:Nice hardware. Blackberry OS - not so much. (4, Insightful)

haus (129916) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398311)

Who cares?

If the only way these things will sell is at firesale prices, then you can guarantee that there will be no long term supply, hence not worth the ongoing efforts of a developer. Just bury them in the desert next to the unused Atari cartridges and move on with your life.

Re:Nice hardware. Blackberry OS - not so much. (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398461)

I take it by "long term" you mean "hardware lifespan". Well, my HTC Desire HD is currently on year 2 of community support through XDA Developers, CyanodenMod, many other AOSP communities and modders, despite lots of new hardware being available. If Playbook really does have great hardware for the time (as did the Desire HD), then it will continue to be supported.

This is news for nerds, and nerds love to tinker with stuff. Where did you think you were?

Re:Nice hardware. Blackberry OS - not so much. (1)

spacepimp (664856) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398649)

But your phone runs Android, and was able to be unlocked, have the bootloader replaced and use custom ROMs. RIMs security measures and efforts have been very strong to prevent jailbreaking and modding these devices. They have made certain that those who buy these devices are locked into their shrinking and smoldering ecosystem.

Re:Nice hardware. Blackberry OS - not so much. (1)

spacepimp (664856) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398595)

The Kindle Fire was basically a rebranded PlayBook. That was about 8 months ago released for $199. To drop the prices to $169 now is to pay actually what the hard is really worth. The OS on here really doesn't have a value add, as the App selection and the future of it are all grim looking. Even at $169, I couldn't suggest this to anyone when a new Google branded tablet is nearing release next week at Google IO.

Could somebody slap the /. editors in the head? (5, Insightful)

mykepredko (40154) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398005)

How is reporting on an eBay sale (for the second time in what two, three days) "news" of any kind, much less for nerds?

Now that it's happened twice, I wonder if /. is hurting so bad that they must resort to advertising stuff their putting on eBay.

What's next, IBM is in trouble because you can find PCjrs on Craigslist for under $1.00?

C'mon guys, pull it together,

myke

Re:Could somebody slap the /. editors in the head? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398133)

This. Get a clue submitter and editors. This blog post is just stupid, and is about an ebay sale...

Re:Could somebody slap the /. editors in the head? (1)

whoop (194) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398417)

Or just do a look 'round the interwebs yourself. The story is it's price drop from $500 to ~$200. Walmart, Best Buy, a couple other retailers all have the playbook at that price range.

So it's bigger than one seller on eBay if you'd look around...

To The Fainting Couches! (3, Insightful)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398009)

Can anything stop the all conquering iPad?

Of course something can. Something eventually will.

If that something is a tablet, it'll need to be something that has measurably better hardware, a superior form factor, a superior operating system, and an easier media acquisition and management chain. "Easier" and "better" here mean "easier and better for regular users", not "easier and better for power users"; our days of supremacy in this regard are gone, folks. Failure to win on all of these points means you're starting with an inferior product against a superior product with a massive head start.

If that something is not a tablet, it'll need to be something that renders the tablet paradigm obsolete; whether that something is Google's glasses project or something entirely different remains to be seen.

If neither of the above happens, then we simply need to wait for the day when Apple loses its direction as a company and stops making devices that meet their current standards. Then it's open season.

Re:To The Fainting Couches! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398357)

We are starting to see that now. Since Jobs is gone, the RDF that he had is fading. The iPhone 4S had little to nothing to offer other than the 4 other than no baseband hole for tethered jailbreaking.

iOS 6 and Facebook integration, give me a break. Apple is behind here -- people are starting to rebel against FB because they know that one wrong post and they might lose their jobs, wind up in jail, get sued [1], or all the above.

Apple is not introducing relevant new features. iOS 6 should have included an open source one time password algorithm tied with the device so one wouldn't have to have an app for Blizzard, Trion, SOE, RSA, eBay, and PayPal for authentication. Or, perhaps iOS 6 should include the ability to archive applications, so when one completes Chaos Rings, they are not forced to either delete the game and the saved game progress for space, jailbreak and use one of the iffish application backup programs, or have to restore everything to a backup. Having selective backups and restores would be nice. Android has Titanium Backup which does exactly this, encrypts the backups using AES-256 and RSA, and offers Dropbox support to boot. As of now, iOS 6 is lackluster at best.

Apple is also losing its way with devices that might have a cool feature like the Retina display, but are otherwise unmaintainable. Want more RAM on that new Macbook Pro? Back your stuff up, sell it, and buy yourself one that has 16GB, as it is a part of the motherboard.

Apple's one advantage is not cheaping out. Maglight went that way and assumed that people would buy name brand flashlights. When the CNC machined aluminum LED lights came en masse from China, people chose them since they worked just as well. If Apple doesn't add relevant new features and not just a cool doodad, I'm sure Lenovo, Motorola, or Toshiba will step in offering similar functionality for a lot cheaper.

[1]: I'm amazed there isn't a law firm that doesn't scrape FB on a constant basis in order to find things to sue on. Just something on someone's wall like, "I downloaded movie blah from BitTorrent" could be enough evidence to put a $100,000 tort on the docket. I'm also amazed DAs don't do the same thing, something like "I went to this park after dark" probably could be admitted in court as a confession for criminal trespass.

Re:To The Fainting Couches! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398531)

In what country is going to a park after dark a criminal offence? That is fucked up.

Playbook is actually not a terrible device (1)

cod3r_ (2031620) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398183)

Especially for business purposes. IPAD and others still can't bluetooth print. It's such a basic feature they just don't have the traveling business man in mind. RIM could gain some ground if they advertised features that the apple products flat refuse to add.

Re:Playbook is actually not a terrible device (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398599)

How often do you find a bluetooth capable printer in a business office (or a hotel for that matter)?

I'm not going even attempt to defend apple's f'd up printing requirements (and lack of official support for a client passthrough), but that seems like a pretty rare case.

It's not THAT bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398199)

I recently acquired a playbook for $129 at a liquidator. It's really quite a nice piece of hardware. The OS is smooth and responsive, and the web browser blows away anything I've used on any other tablet. With the latest OS, you can, with some work, port android apps and sideload them onto the playbook. About %60 of the apps I've tried porting work correctly, including the Kindle app, which makes the playbook a fantastic reader for the price.

That said, it's a tablet, and just a side show in my computing world. I still prefer REAL horsepower, i7's and the like ;->

It's just lovely (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398203)

I bought mine for $199 a few months ago -- and I'm chuffed with it. I think it's a lovely little device. It's the right size -- with it's 7 inch screen you can easily browse the intarwebs and what-not, and yet it's still small enough to take anywhere and barely notice the weight. Such a shame RIM are circling the drain, 'cos the Playbook is well wicked, ennit.

laptop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398243)

So, of course everyone knows that RIMM is committed to a laptop, right? There is also rumor of a 10" tablet as they realize thath e 7" framework is kinda stupid.

Nice hardware, shame about the apps (4, Informative)

s7uar7 (746699) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398245)

I bought a Playbook just before Christmas when the price dropped to £169 but have just bought an iPad to replace it. The PB hardware and OS are good, what killed it for me were the apps. There's no Kindle, Skype or Netflix, for example, and on the BB app store $1 = £1, so what apps there are felt pricey.

No. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398273)

The problem is that only Apple fanbois have any desire to purchase giant smart-phones that cannot make calls at such an absurd price-point. A fool and his money, and all that... just so happens that these are brand-loyal fools. The only way you're going to break into that market is to come in at such a lower price as to make your product attractive to the non-Apple crowd, which has precious few incentives to even consider your product to begin with.

Re:No. (2)

Tridus (79566) | more than 2 years ago | (#40398497)

So all those people buying iPads that don't have any other Apple equipment are really just blind Apple fanboys?

Yeah, that must be it. It couldn't possibly because it happens to be a good device or something...

Re:No. (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40398601)

Never said it wasn't. It simply has no market beyond fanbois.

Lamborghini makes great cars, but they have no market beyond fanbois.

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