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Bev Harris of Black Box Voting Releases Accenture's Voting Software

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the ignore-man-behind-curtain dept.

Government 245

Gottesser writes with this excerpt from Bev Harris's Black Box Voting: "I have found and posted the actual voter list software used widely throughout the USA (TN, WI, PA, CO, KS...) for Accenture voter registration and voter histories. I located the files on a magnetic backup tape of the hard drive of a county elections IT employee, part of a 120-gig set of discovery files. The Accenture voter registration / voter history software is highly problematic, and has been reported switching voter parties in Colorado, and losing voter histories in Tennessee. Although it is now widely known that Accenture voter list software gets it wrong, just WHY the program misreports voter information so often has never been explained. I am hoping that by releasing this software to the public, it may shed light on what's really going on with our voter registration systems. I also posted a Tennessee file with work orders and release notes which shows the Accenture software has a history of tripling votes in certain ('random') voter histories, going back to 2004. Except it is not random: Other files I discovered prove it is with primarily suburban Republican precincts that votes are somehow being recorded twice and sometimes three times for certain voters in the voter history report, and this didn't just happen in 2004; it also happened in the 2008 presidential primary and in May and August 2010, and according to election commission notes in Shelby County, also in the 2012 presidential primary. Computer buffs, have at it. Much source code exists within the structure because it is built on MS Access. I do not read source code, though I can see some structural problems with the software (for example, it allows political party ID to be set differently from one precinct to another)."

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Good work (5, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400185)

Now how long until Harris is sued?

Re:Good work (4, Interesting)

durrr (1316311) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400405)

You means commits suicide by shooting himself once in the heart and twice in the head?

Re:Good work (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40400827)

They gave her a sex change too? Whoever THEM are, THEM are good!

Re:Good work (1)

msauve (701917) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400833)

ITYM "she." HTH!

Re:Good work (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400847)

Herself

Re:Good work (1)

Maximum Prophet (716608) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400911)

You joke, but Memphis is in Shelby county, and something similar happened to the new sheriff in town. He cleaned up some crime, then when he was at a gas station, he commited suicide with a shotgun. (This was the late '80s, early 90's)

Re:Good work (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401657)

Well, at least the government can't frame her on a rape charge.

Our software!!!!1one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40400193)

DMCA takedown request in 3...2...1...

It's for society's good, of course!

"because it is built on MS Access." (4, Insightful)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400197)

...because it is built on MS Access.

Well, there's your problem right there....why didn't they use a (real) database?

Like Microsoft Excel? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40400229)

...because it is built on MS Access.

Well, there's your problem right there....why didn't they use a (real) database?

Like Microsoft Excel?

Re:Like Microsoft Excel? (3, Funny)

i kan reed (749298) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400275)

At my company we base all our data on powerpoint slides. That way managers are able to present the data to other managers with the ease of 2 hours of clicking "next slide". Truly you are behind the times.

Re:Like Microsoft Excel? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40400495)

You may joke but this was actually suggested in one company I worked at, to replace FoxPro with Excel, after all it is just a table.

I kid you not.

Re:Like Microsoft Excel? (1)

msauve (701917) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400887)

More like Whatsit."

Re:Like Microsoft Excel? (1)

msauve (701917) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400915)

Doh. Darn tags. Dumb, non-previewing user. Whatsit [trailingedge.com]

Re:Like Microsoft Excel? (2, Funny)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400897)

...because it is built on MS Access.

Well, there's your problem right there....why didn't they use a (real) database?

Like Microsoft Excel?

Are you sure it was Microsoft Access the database?
Maybe they used the original Microsoft Access [msdn.com] , the serial communication program that failed to compete with Procomm and Qmodem and suchlike back in the late 1980s to early 1990s. It would explain a lot...

Intriguingly, references to the original Microsoft Access have vanished from Wikipedia and from almost everywhere on the web.

Re:"because it is built on MS Access." (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40400257)

Because they are Accenture, and by definition, incompetent.

Re:"because it is built on MS Access." (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40400775)

Accenture is commonly known as Accidenture.

Re:"because it is built on MS Access." (2)

Bigby (659157) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401533)

Actually, they are commonly known as Arthur Andersen.

Re:"because it is built on MS Access." (2)

sanosuke001 (640243) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400297)

Next thing you know they'll say the code was written in javascript or visual basic...

Re:"because it is built on MS Access." (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400779)

Next thing you know they'll say the code was written in javascript or visual basic...

Not all of it was written in Visual Basic - just the GUI.

Re:"because it is built on MS Access." (1)

biodata (1981610) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401363)

What was the business rules layer coded in?

Re:"because it is built on MS Access." (2)

Mad Bad Rabbit (539142) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401405)

Javascript, of course

Re:"because it is built on MS Access." (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401531)

Can the Visual Basic GUI [youtube.com] be used to track IP Addresses?

Re:"because it is built on MS Access." (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401683)

No, it wasn't in *visual* basic.

Re:"because it is built on MS Access." (3, Insightful)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400353)

Because they couldn't figure out how to get MSSQL working, they couldn't afford Oracle, the very thought of "open source" scared the crap out of them (so no MySQL/PostgreSQL), and all the other proprietary databases are (apparently) even worse than Access.

Re:"because it is built on MS Access." (1)

davidbrit2 (775091) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400439)

An Access front-end with SQL Server acting as the back-end can work just fine for relatively simple applications, but the developer still has to know what he's doing. For a simple data entry and maintenance application, I can throw something together in just an hour or two. It's less effort to do simple stuff with Access, and less effort to do complicated stuff with, say, C#. So, right tool for the right job and all that.

But storing data in the Access database, and having it accessed by multiple users is always a recipe for disaster.

Re:"because it is built on MS Access." (1)

SlippyToad (240532) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400605)

For a simple data entry and maintenance application, I can throw something together in just an hour or two

Looks like that's all the effort they put into this shite software, too.

Re:"because it is built on MS Access." (1)

Jawnn (445279) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401679)

Access should not have been used here, at all. This is an application that should have a complex set of "business rules" designed and implemented in such a way that the "mistakes" listed would not have been possible. That immediately eliminates Microsoft Access as a suitable platform. Access is (was, anyway) a fine tool for certain well-defined tasks. Whoever decided/approved it's use in this role is either an idiot or an evil genius. I put that race at even money, but that's rather another argument.

Re:"because it is built on MS Access." (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400451)

Because it would interfere with their antivirus software [xkcd.com] , of course.

Re:"because it is built on MS Access." (3, Insightful)

erik umenhofer (782) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400695)

This sounds like the client had requirements. No consultant in the modern day would go in there and say this is the best solution. They must of been told they had Access already and this was all they could use.

Re:"because it is built on MS Access." (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40401343)

If this is the software I'm thinking it is, the first iteration of it was developed by a (very) small business in Arkansas in the early 1990's, and Accenture's involvement is at the end of a chain of acquisitions over the years. That company developed it for very small customers (individual counties in Arkansas). Access was chosen mostly because the owner of the company was hacking out the software himself and his choice of tools was always whatever Microsoft was promoting the hardest at the time. Regardless of the motivation, that probably was not too terrible a choice given the requirements, the nature of the data being managed, and the technology of the day. At the time Shelby County, TN became a customer (mid-90's) the data store would have been SQL Server, with Access being used for client-side data entry and reporting.

So now you know. If it's the software I'm thinking it is. I can't imagine why it has been kept in that form for so long, though.

Re:"because it is built on MS Access." (1)

pkinetics (549289) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401543)

Same reason code always stays on the same platform:

If it aint broke, don't fix it.

Ambiguous, or poorly written code behaviors, not making sense to anyone else, poorly documented requirements, requires the genus who built it. And that person seldom wants to revisit / be reminded of WTF code. Heck, they seldom remember their code before.

Accenture, formerly known as Anderson Consulting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40400235)

Don't forget Enron...

Re:Accenture, formerly known as Anderson Consultin (1)

geoffrobinson (109879) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400667)

I had a friend working for Anderson Consulting when Enron went down. They had nothing to do with Enron.

Re:Accenture, formerly known as Anderson Consultin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40400867)

Firstly, it's spelled "Andersen" and not "Anderson", and secondly Andersen Consulting split from AA back in 1989 and they weren't on speaking terms (even though they were techncially run by the same umbrella company) for most of this time.

AC

Re:Accenture, formerly known as Anderson Consultin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40400973)

Except it was Arthur Anderson who was in bed with Enron. The AC guys told AA to fuck of long before that happened.

This will be really interesting (5, Insightful)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400289)

There have been a whole lot of election shenanigans in this country and in Canada. And while I don't doubt both parties have done this sort of thing, and do this sort of thing, it seems to be the Republicans who've been the biggest culprits these past 10 years or so.

Personally, I really like the anonymous electronic voting systems based on David Chaum's digital cash work. They look like they might be independently verifiable by third parties and anonymous at the same time [wikipedia.org] .

Re:This will be really interesting (2, Insightful)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400683)

>>>it seems to be the Republicans who've been the biggest culprits these past 10 years or so.

In my state (see post below) it was the Democrats that rammed-through these machines. The Repubs/Libertarians were opposed to the e-voting due to ease-of-vote hijacking. So..... why do you think the Republicans are the biggest culprits when they were the ones opposed to the idea? Sources please.

Re:This will be really interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40400849)

So..... why do you think the Republicans are the biggest culprits when they were the ones opposed to the idea?

Because they're not his TEAM.

Re:This will be really interesting (1)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401229)

Neither are the Democrats. I really dislike both parties. And I find Obama to be a very disappointing president, though not for the reasons most Republicans complain about. He has an absolutely abysmal track record on civil liberties. Secret drone extra-judicial assassinations are only the half of it.

Re:This will be really interesting (1)

Bigby (659157) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401597)

So you are one of the people that voted for him thinking there would be change? And will likely vote for him again because...

Re:This will be really interesting (5, Insightful)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401721)

And will likely vote for him again because...

...the alternative is a fucking nightmare.

Re:This will be really interesting (2, Insightful)

riverat1 (1048260) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401883)

...the alternative is a fucking nightmare.

Amen.

Re:This will be really interesting (1)

ifwm (687373) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401899)

...the alternative is a fucking nightmare.

WHICH alternative?

You realize there's more than one?

And your excuse is why the country is in this mess, voting for a known bad actor instead of a third party.

DERP I KNOW OBAMA MURDERDRONED MY MOM, BUT ROMNEY!!!

So don't vote for Romney. Vote third party. Or stop pretending you want to make things better.

Re:This will be really interesting (1, Insightful)

Mister Transistor (259842) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401843)

Because the alternative is MUCH WORSE. Yes, let's get back to the system and methods used to utterly destroy the US and World Economies, and turned the US from possibly the most admired and greatest nation in the world to the almost universally-hated Pariah it is today.

They have DESTROYED AMERICA as we knew it. Keep up the good work! The rest of the world isn't quite bankrupt yet.

Re:This will be really interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40401977)

Because the other guy panders to completely brainless social conservatives. It's past time we stopped allowing those fools power over civilized people.

Re:This will be really interesting (5, Interesting)

Mister Transistor (259842) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401081)

How about the President of Diebold quoted as saying they were "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_Election_Solutions [wikipedia.org] ).

If that isn't a obvious Freudian slip indicating their conflict of interest with the Republican party, I don't know what the fuck is. Yes, the Dems liked the idea of e-voting but this was before the Repubs perverted the realization. The Republican party objected, then quickly found a way to get their unregulated business-connected fucktard "partners" to trample all over the process and game the system in their favor. Yeah, letting businesses run wild and do whatever they want is a REALLY GOOD thing for this country. NOT.

Re:This will be really interesting (-1, Troll)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401339)

Thanks. Your wikipedia quotation is UNSOURCED and therefore invalid. For all I know you grabbed the quote from Alex Jones & he pulled it from his anus? Try to find a REPUTABLE source to backup your claims. Thanks.

Re:This will be really interesting (-1, Offtopic)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401575)

Fixed:
>>>For all I know [the wiki-editor] grabbed the unsourced quote from Alex Jones & he pulled it from.....

Re:This will be really interesting (4, Informative)

Mister Transistor (259842) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401697)

You're welcome. What the fuck is REPUTABLE? Someone who you have personally dealt with? Someone everyone can trust? No such person exists universally, nice Straw Man.

But anyway, here are a bunch of more reports of this with SOURCES, if you don't think the Wikipedia article is correct. As far as them being REPUTABLE, that's open to opinion. Any random asshole YOU quote from won't be REPUTABLE to me. So there.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm [commondreams.org]

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/03/diebolds-political-machine [motherjones.com]

http://money.cnn.com/2004/08/30/technology/election_diebold/ [cnn.com]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Diebold_Election_Systems [sourcewatch.org]

Your ears must hurt from having your fingers "rammed" in them so hard. You're welcome.

Not all reliable... (0, Offtopic)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401841)

Not a bad list, but if you are going for credibility you should really remove any link to CNN.

Re:This will be really interesting (2)

Mo Bedda (888796) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401825)

I don't know what you find reputable, but here [economist.com] are a couple [usatoday.com] . The USA Today story cites the New York Times as the original source.

As much as I recall, the quote itself was never disputed, just denial of any sinister intent. The fact that the guy gave $100k to the Bush campaign and sent out fund raising letters for them would seem in line with that.

Re:This will be really interesting (5, Informative)

Holmwood (899130) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401853)

I'm on the conservative/libertarian side of things most (but not all) days, but the quote is real, assuming you accept the NY Times as a source.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/09/business/machine-politics-in-the-digital-age.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm [nytimes.com]

The context is important; O'Dell wrote this as a Bush fundraiser in a fundraising letter, not in his role as Diebold president. That said, reverse it, if he'd been a Kerry/Obama backer and done the same; Republicans would be rightly very suspicious.

We've had issues with robocalls and funding irregularities in Canada, but not, as far as I am aware, any significant credible allegations of ballot or vote fraud.

In the last couple of elections, where I live, we've used paper ballots (filled out with a pen) sometimes coupled with optical scan. (The disabled can have someone assist them.) This provides a surprisingly useful audit trail. (e.g. consider a box filled with ballot papers all marked for one candidate, all with a very unusual pen colour. Don't laugh, it's happened in places like Texas).

Voters are enumerated, door-to-door by multi-party teams of volunteers. To vote you have to show photo id. Felons and prisoners are able to vote; we think it's unfair to deny politicians the vote. I strongly suspect the level of voter fraud and machine politics is substantially lower than the US; history generally seems to bear this out.

The Canadian system is far from perfect, though I'm inclined to think, like the banking system up here, it's somewhat superior to the current US system.

Re:This will be really interesting (2)

tx_kanuck (667833) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401981)

To be fair, anyone that wants to be a politician should probably be banned from voting (among other things)

Re:This will be really interesting (3, Interesting)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401335)

It's because whenever I see an article about these problems cropping up, about 9 times out of 10 it's the Republicans who are favored. Now, it could be article bias, but I don't think so. There are many interesting links as well. Diebold's CEO promising to deliver votes to the Republicans is one. But there are others.

Democrats make certain kinds of back room deals with certain businesses. The entertainment industry (for example) is a big one. But Republicans make certain kinds of back room deals with certain other kinds of businesses. The voting machine industry deals feels more Republican to me. Mostly local deals not directly involving the creation of new laws. Democrats tend towards larger scale things that are directly related to political issues.

Re:This will be really interesting (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40401535)

That's probably because the Democrats are too busy registering illegal aliens, dead people, having unions bus in people from out of state and having poll workers "finding" boxes of ballots in their personal vehicle trunks 3 days AFTER the election to think about software.

Re:This will be really interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40401737)

It's because whenever I see an article about these problems cropping up, about 9 times out of 10 it's the Republicans who are favored.

[Citation needed]

PA is one of the states mentioned in TFS. We haven't gone to a Republican presidential candidate since 1988. Generalizations make poor arguments, especially without even providing the source for them.

How "odd" the percentages match (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401867)

whenever I see an article about these problems cropping up, about 9 times out of 10 it's the Republicans who are favored

Couldn't have anything to do with 90% of journalists being Democrat, now could it?

NAAHHHHH.

Re:In my state (see post below) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40401935)

WTF?? Why don't you just SAY what state you're from, or failing that, provide a link to the "below" post? You ask for "sources please", but you are pretty slim on citations yourself.

Accenture wrote it? (4, Funny)

hsmith (818216) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400431)

Lord, I wouldn't worry about tinfoil conspiracies, it is straight up incompetence.

Their consultants are terrible, and I mean that in the nicest way possible.

Re:Accenture wrote it? (3, Insightful)

Jerome H (990344) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400533)

Could you shed some light to why Accenture is so terrible ? Slashdot's search didn't return any interesting links.

Re:Accenture wrote it?(Mod Me Up,Good Info herein) (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40401003)

They built a MS Access DB for the front-end and used SQL for the back-end, this is industry standard for small business clerical solutions and is dirt cheap to do.

Microsoft has a nasty habit of removing functions out of DLL's to provide security, or changing their behavior so code breaks in ways nobody notices. Either you patch and you have a reliability problem, or you don't and get a security problem.

It's very likely the town decided they wanted to that setup because it's easy to exploit.

Where Accenture comes in as being a boatload of fail, is that they didn't build ANY database validation or security into their system. It's RIDICULOUSLY simple to set up several blob's for each site, set up security-per-blob by site logon, set up kiosks under guest accounts in AD that have access to just their blob, have the data aggregate into those blob's, then run a report to tally, and here's the fail part, AND ANOTHER REPORT TO CONFIRM OBVIOUS MISTAKE ON THE ROLLS A MONKEY COULD SPOT ARE NOT HAPPENING!

Voters voting twice, the number of votes on a field being counted several times, data field error checking to ensure valid characters are in a class...the STANDARD stuff. And we aren't talking about egregious or eccentric databasing here, we're talking about plain old simple databasing; field 1 is a name, field 2 is an address, field 3 is a telephone number, field 4 is the representative they wanted to vote for and so on and so on.

If Accenture wants to come clean, give us the design document the were handled to perform the contract, in fact, I'd FOIA that sucker in light of this offense.

IMO Windows has too large of an attack surface to be used for this; you need something with a minimal attack surface that can be updated and set up as needed. You need either Windows Server Core, or Linux. Heck, even Mac OSX would be better suited than XP or 7.

Re:Accenture wrote it? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40400599)

As a colleague of mine aptly put it: "We suck, but the others suck more" (I am one of those Accenture consultants, though not in the US)

Re:Accenture wrote it? (2)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401091)

I have a friend who recently got a job at Accenture.
When I heard, I sent him a text with just one word: Accidenture

And since blackboxvoting seems to be /.ed
Here's the coral cache link:
http://www.bbvforums.org.nyud.net/forums/messages/7659/82111.html [nyud.net]
You'll find a torrent of the files in the comments

Re:Accenture wrote it? (1)

Peter Simpson (112887) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401095)

Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by stupidity... Doubling, tripling; sounds to me like it could be explained by an untrained operator not receiving feedback that an operation has been completed, and so clicking again on the button which initiates the operation. Combine that extremely plausible scenario with software which doesn't bother to check before re-accumulating totals, and you have a likely explanation.

Re:Accenture wrote it? (2)

scot4875 (542869) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401301)

In the case of the integrity of the voting process, what you've described is criminal negligence on the part of the software authors.

--Jeremy

Re:Accenture wrote it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40401507)

That would be plausible, except that in the scenario you described, you would expect to see the doubling and tripling have a reasonably random distribution across counties and candidates. The fact that we primarily see doubling / tripling in Republican-leaning counties ruins the theory that this is due to stupidity. Most reasonable people will look at this data and conclude that it is due to malice.

Now, the question of whether people are reasonable is something else entirely.

The real facts (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401901)

The fact that we primarily see doubling / tripling in Republican-leaning counties

The "fact" is that that she only LOOKED there.

And the other FACT is that she is a non-technical person who probably screwed up her joins (look for another response that mentions that possibility).

You and she are both believing only what you want to without solid proof. And that is a FACT.

Re:Accenture wrote it? (2)

mangu (126918) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401727)

The fact that they used MS-Access clearly indicates stupidity.

Malice could also play a part here, of course, but I know of no instance where MS-Access is used that doesn't involve stupidity;

Re:Accenture wrote it? (1)

Shavano (2541114) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401975)

Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by stupidity... Doubling, tripling; sounds to me like it could be explained by an untrained operator not receiving feedback that an operation has been completed, and so clicking again on the button which initiates the operation. Combine that extremely plausible scenario with software which doesn't bother to check before re-accumulating totals, and you have a likely explanation.

But that wouldn't correlate with location or party.

Re:Accenture wrote it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40401281)

As one of those consultants I have to agree. What small to medium sized government wants to develop their own electronic voting system when they can employ a consulting company to build and support it. The use of access is not limited to Accenture however. The oft maligned Irish electronic voting system was also based on Access.

Posting anonymously for obvious reasons.

This needs mirrors and fast, imo (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40400483)

For one, the article is /.'d so I cant even read it..

Second, if what she is alleging is correct then yes, it needs to be spread far and wide on the 'net (and off, too, backed up all over) because letting criminals get away with stealing elections is very wrong.

Flame me, mod me down, whatever. But to stand by idly and let people that are evil win is wrong.

If for no other reason... (1)

michaelwigle (822387) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400595)

... than the Slashdot effect. Putting up a direct link to ZIP file on a blog and then getting the article on Slashdot is certainly a good way to melt the servers. Hopefully someone will get a torrent up for it soon so the hundreds of folks trying to download it don't trash the server (and take several days doing it since it's a 300+MB file).

Re:If for no other reason... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40401097)

A guy in the comments on that page posted this torrent link:

http://burnbit.com/torrent/204972/ESM_2_0_8_23_04_zip [burnbit.com]

torrent link (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40400537)

Hey if this is against TOS then by all means, remove it.

http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/7659/ESM_2_0_8_23_04_zip__Burnbit_-82116.unk

hopefully that is a working link to the torrent. its 325meg or so in size.

List, not Voting SW (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40400565)

This is SW to maintain voter registration, not collect votes. Just because it is broken and shows a voter voted multiple times in an election does not necessarily mean that the voter actually was able to cast multiple votes or that the (independent) voting method (paper or electronic) was flawed.

In Maryland Republicans opposed e-voting (3, Informative)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400567)

They were also joined by the MD-LP, because they knew e-voting could be easily hijacked. They felt the existed paper ballots worked just fine. Of course the Democrats have a ~70% majority in the Legislature, so they just rammed it through anyway (as they do with virtually everything). The Repub and Libertarian concerns have been proved correct 12 years later.

Re:In Maryland Republicans opposed e-voting (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40400857)

With a 70% majority... you don't call it ramming... you call it... majority rules voting. It's kinda like democracy...

Re:In Maryland Republicans opposed e-voting (5, Informative)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400869)

"Just rammed it through" def'n: any legislation that passes that you don't like.

Re:In Maryland Republicans opposed e-voting (2)

Mister Transistor (259842) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401209)

Yeah, after they corrupted the system themselves (or had their business "partners" do it). Self-fulfilling Prophecy, it sounds like to me.

As for ramming stuff through, that's the technique required when dealing with assholes.

Re:In Maryland Republicans opposed e-voting (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40401469)

In Ohio it was the republicans pushing their diebold voting machines. Incidentally, diebold is based in Ohio and is a significant republican contributor, so I'm more inclined to believe that this was your garden variety patronage/ legalized bribery than it was some Machiavellian scheme.

Re:In Maryland Republicans opposed e-voting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40401881)

To be fair, electronic voting is all but mandated under the federal Help Americans Vote Act (signed into law by none other than GWB). A lot of local pols felt like they had to buy the machines.

This made me laugh (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40400615)

I know a bunch of county elections IT people in Colorado since I work in county IT (and nervously checked TFA hoping it wasn't one of our backups that got released). Let me tell you, if you think IT is stressful, add politics and see what happens. To anyone else about to start scrutinizing this Accenture crap: welcome to the party. We have to deal with horrible, over-costed, "best of the worst" third-party solutions on a daily basis because there simply aren't any alternatives.

Let me tell you: if you were to start an open-source project for vote-counting you would have thousands of fed-up county contributors overnight.

Re:This made me laugh (2)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400873)

Let me tell you: if you were to start an open-source project for vote-counting you would have thousands of fed-up county contributors overnight.

What's stopping you guys then?

Join the dark side, we have cookies (4, Informative)

Orne (144925) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400673)

... that votes are somehow being recorded twice and sometimes three times for certain voters in the voter history report

To me, this sounds like someone's join isn't all that unique. Let's say you have two voters, Joe Smith, at two different addresses, that both voted. If you join a registration list with a vote list, on first and last name and not address, you actually end up with 4 combinations instead of 2, for twice the votes. Other things to check are overlapping effective/terminate date ranges, and compound primary key fields. Rookie mistakes, but big consequences.

Re:Join the dark side, we have cookies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40401135)

Rookie mistake...

Or clever intended bug implanted to LOOK like a rookie mistake...

I don't particularly care what some partisan hack (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40400793)

I don't really care what a clearly partisan hack thinks about code she doesn't understand.

I could have told you they'd "find" this before the investigation began, because she told you she'd find this before the investigation began.

I don't trust the voting machines. I trust the idiots who audit them for no reason other than to find their desired result (like Bev Harris does) even less.

Re:I don't particularly care what some partisan ha (2)

scot4875 (542869) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401365)

I don't particularly care what some partisan hack

Careful, you sound like one of those partisan hacks yourself, what with your shooting the messenger and all.

--Jeremy

Meta-shot (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401967)

Careful, you sound like one of those partisan hacks yourself, what with your shooting the messenger and all.

He's complaining about ALL partisans, not just this one.

Your own shot is far off the mark.

Re:I don't particularly care what some partisan ha (1)

ifwm (687373) | more than 2 years ago | (#40402013)

Careful, you sound like one of those partisan hacks yourself, what with your shooting the messenger and all.

Because pointing out and decrying partisanship is itself partisan, or something.../sarcasm

Mirrors (2, Informative)

rainwalker (174354) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400803)

Since BBV is in bad shape, here's links to some mirrors.

In the original forum thread, a poster linked a torrent for the actual software: http://burnbit.com/torrent/204972/ESM_2_0_8_23_04_zip [burnbit.com]

I don't see a torrent for the notes archive, so here's a magnet link. Sorry if it stops working:

:magnet:?xt=urn:btih:B206C1A526B57667D64903622A02C3B01CB22793&dn=Accenture_Wrap_up.zip&tr=udp%3a//tracker.openbittorrent.com%3a80/announce

On the dangers of voting machines (5, Informative)

unwastaken (1586569) | more than 2 years ago | (#40400839)

Submitted this related article to Slashdot a few months ago [slashdot.org] . Bev Harris looked into this as well.

To sum up the above link: An interesting phenomenon has occurred in every state of this year's Republican primaries. Votes appear to be flipped away from other candidates in favor of Romney, with a 99% correlation to precinct size. Although votes are "canvassed" (checked) after each primary, the methods used are primarily designed to detect vote stuffing, rather than vote flipping.

This phenomenon has recently been shown to be absent if you can get your hands on poll tapes from individual machines, rather than from voting tabulators (machines that count the totals from the various voting machines).

Voting machines are just scary stuff. More so since poll tapes are not always made readily available. Thankfully, a bill was recently introduced that would require poll tapes from individual machines (not just tabulators) to be made available by the next day following an election.

Its called job security (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40400885)

H1B people need job security too! If a few extra votes go toward the party that pushes hard for H1B expansion, who is going to notice?

What I see so far (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40401191)

It's basically a bunch of monstrous Access databases. Unfortunately, most (all?) of the VBA code is in databases that have been compiled to .mde files. There's no simple way that I know of to get usable source code back from those, which is unfortunate, since that's probably where most of the damning evidence would be found. However, you can view table definitions and data, form and report designs, queries, etc. Fun fact: you can bypass the initial login by just holding the left shift key as you open voter.mde.

Re:What I see so far (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40401471)

This being /., someone will find a way. If only for bragging rights, so be it.

Tick Tock (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40401939)

This being /., someone will find a way. If only for bragging rights, so be it.

Your post sadly will not reach five years ago, where that would have been true.

Huge (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40401691)

This will rip the lid off the selling of our democracy down the river over the last 12 years.

Ms. Harris should probably look into getting some police protection.

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