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Congradulations China (-1, Flamebait)

arcite (661011) | about 2 years ago | (#40427553)

You have achieved something that was was first done over 46 years ago.

Re:Congradulations China (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40427585)

I love the smell of butthurt American in the morning!

Seriously, can't we congratulate for once?

Re:Congradulations China (-1, Troll)

arcite (661011) | about 2 years ago | (#40427611)

If China was serious about Space exploration and development, they would sign up to the International Space Station, even the Russians managed that. Docking with a tin can is not a serious achievement (except for propaganda purposes).

Re:Congradulations China (5, Informative)

M1FCJ (586251) | about 2 years ago | (#40427623)

They tried to join ISS, A certain North American country said "never, never, never!", and it wasn't the Canadians nor Mexico.

Re:Congradulations China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40427695)

Why would the Mexicans care about the ISS? They've already perfected trans-lunar cetacean conveyance. A puny space station is beneath them.

Re:Congradulations China (2)

elrous0 (869638) | about 2 years ago | (#40428599)

Yeah, and many a whaler died on the moon trying to bring it back.

Damn those Greenlanders. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40427735)

they cock block everything

Re:Congradulations China (2)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | about 2 years ago | (#40428141)

A certain North American country said "never, never, never!", and it wasn't the Canadians nor Mexico.

Are you accusing the French [wikipedia.org] of being responsible?

BTW, North America also includes Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and arguably Panama. Also one other country whose name escapes me for the moment, but which all the others find extremely irritating...

Re:Congradulations China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40428815)

I'm fairly sure you never heard of Central America before, so all is forgiven.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_America

Re:Congradulations China (3, Insightful)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | about 2 years ago | (#40430065)

I'm fairly sure you never heard of Central America before, so all is forgiven.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_America

Did you even read what you linked? Central America is not a continent, it's a subcontinent. While all those countries may be part of the Central America subcontinent, they're also part of North America.

Re:Congradulations China (1)

msk (6205) | about 2 years ago | (#40428885)

Greenland?

Re:Congradulations China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40429445)

and Cuba and Jamaica and Haiti and....

Re:Congradulations China (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40429467)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_in_North_America

Re:Congradulations China (4, Informative)

GuruBuckaroo (833982) | about 2 years ago | (#40427627)

The US blocked them from participation in the ISS. They wanted to participate, but weren't allowed to.

Re:Congradulations China (3, Informative)

benjfowler (239527) | about 2 years ago | (#40428017)

Because they were caught repeatedly stealing US satellite technology.

They are being punished for being thieves and moral bankrupts, and they only have themselves to blame.

Re:Congradulations China (0)

ewanm89 (1052822) | about 2 years ago | (#40428211)

Considering how much their Shenzhou capsules and Long March 2E rockets resemble Russian Soyuz designs (Oh they aren't identical, there are a few upgrades), I don't think China have learned all that much in the interim.

Bravery (2, Funny)

Roger W Moore (538166) | about 2 years ago | (#40429163)

I don't think China have learned all that much in the interim.

I disagree - they have certainly learnt how to be brave. How many people do you know who would be willing to go into space in a craft with a "Made in China" sticker on the side?

Re:Bravery (3, Interesting)

Gordonjcp (186804) | about 2 years ago | (#40431851)

How many people do you know who would be willing to go into space in a craft with a "Made in China" sticker on the side?

More than would be willing to go into space in a craft with a "Made in America" sticker on the side. I mean, have you seen American cars? Imagine what it would be like if they ever tried to make a spacecraft!

Re:Congradulations China (2)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#40433687)

Chinese are adept at "copy first, improve later", which is an entirely reasonable attitude - much more so than building something that's already done from scratch. What many people are missing is the "improve" part - but it's there and working just fine. As a simple example, 40 years ago Chinese were using AK with minimal changes as their main infantry rifle. 20 years ago it was AK with considerable changes. Today it's a rifle in a different caliber, with completely different look and ergonomics - it's still ultimately derived from AK operation, but at that point it's far enough that it can no longer be meaningfully called a clone. They did similar things with aircraft, and are now working on the same for naval carriers. Why not space?

Re:Congradulations China (3, Insightful)

wmac1 (2478314) | about 2 years ago | (#40428509)

and here is the proof that the punishment has been successful. Next time US will possibly need to apply to their program.

Re:Congradulations China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40428869)

maybe , but they are sitting on 600 billion $$ of currency reserve and you are above an abyssmal international dette , now who's the moron ?

Re:Congradulations China (1)

benjfowler (239527) | about 2 years ago | (#40431053)

Thieves, liars, barbarians, murderers -- and also insufferably arrogant.

Re:Congradulations China (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40428939)

Why is it morally bankrupt to learn from what others have done? Wouldn't that mean that every single scientist who has ever walked on this earth has been morally bankrupt? Why should every nation that wants to go to space have to reinvent the wheel? And as the comment below points out, it seems they've learned a hell of a lot more from the Russians than the US, they after all actually have an active manned space program.

Re:Congradulations China (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about 2 years ago | (#40430655)

Funny how what goes around, comes around. I think the entire United States is going to be punished for harboring our own thieves and moral bankrupts, soon enough. How is our economy doing these days? I read that the average American household is worth 30% less today than it was about a decade ago. That was among some political propaganda - but let me find the link anyway:

Hmm - not the link I was looking for, but it offers very much the same data, just with another political flavored spin on it:

http://www.theburningplatform.com/?tag=household-net-worth [theburningplatform.com]

Re:Congradulations China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40430835)

I read that a decade ago, they were overvalued by the same amount. The economy here isn't nearly as bad as it seems on the surface, people are just getting back to what works- saving up instead of spending all on credit. Takes a little time to catch up on the bills, and stack some in the savings account when you've been playing with a short stack of cash for a long time.

Re:Congradulations China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40432267)

Bought or not, have you looked at the Shenzhou spacecraft design?, to me it looks like a Soyuz capsule that has been painted blue and has Chinese writing instead of Russian.. I know they partnered with Russia at one point but, yea they do tend to copy stuff.

Re:Congradulations China (4, Interesting)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about 2 years ago | (#40427633)

I have to agree with AC's sentiments. "Even the Russians"? WTF? Let me just ask - how many nations, corPorations, and other entities have gone into sPace? How many have docked with anything? How many have made a landing, from which PeoPle walked away, alive and well?

It seems that the list makes uP a rather small, exclusive club.

So, just congratulate the Chinese. I like to bash them when it's deserved. Start a thread on consumer goods, and I'll start the bashing for you. They sell a lot of substandard shit that isn't worth the effort of carrying home if it were given to you. In this case, they've done good. Better than the US can do. We don't even have a frigging sPacecraft anymore. We are reduced to bumming rides from PeoPle who can afford transPortation.

Doesn't that remind you of your high school and/or college days?

Re:Congradulations China (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40428101)

Dude what's wrong with your P's???

Re:Congradulations China (2)

MightyYar (622222) | about 2 years ago | (#40428121)

Look at his username - the lower-case 'p' ran away in 1956.

Re:Congradulations China (1)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | about 2 years ago | (#40428155)

Dude what's wrong with your P's???

He needs a little p on his keyboard, but it got a big P instead...

Re:Congradulations China (4, Funny)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 2 years ago | (#40428231)

Come on man, give Ps a chance.

Re:Congradulations China (1)

dotancohen (1015143) | about 2 years ago | (#40428281)

Come on man, give Ps a chance.

If it were his username, then he would have green Ps.

Re:Congradulations China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40428309)

It hurts when he p's

Re:Congradulations China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40428327)

He's just setting you up to be able to respond "that's what she said", but you had to go and change "P" to P's and then it doesn't work :(

Re:Congradulations China (1)

elrous0 (869638) | about 2 years ago | (#40428637)

He clearly needs to mind his P's and Q's.

Re:Congradulations China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40429303)

Nah, he's just got a sticky pee key

Re:Congradulations China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40428119)

Your IntertwIned shIft and P keys are IntrIguIng to me and I'd lIke to subscrIbe to your newsIetter.

Re:Congradulations China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40428897)

"They sell a lot of substandard shit that isn't worth the effort of carrying home if it were given to you."

they sell what you are ready to pay for , if you're too cheap to buy quality , why they would subsidise you selling you quality product below manufactoring price ?

funny to get a market economy lesson from "communist chinese" huh ?

Re:Congradulations China (2)

RicktheBrick (588466) | about 2 years ago | (#40430217)

Just out of curiosity, what would happen to the ISS if Russia decided that they would transport only Russian back and forth from the ISS? Could NASA somehow make it unusable to the Russian? I would think that we would want the Chinese to be capable of taking astronauts to the ISS only so we are not totally dependent on the Russians. It will probably another 3 years at least before any astronauts are taken up from the US. A Russian general has called for a preemptive strike on a ABM system in Poland. I can not see any cooperation with the Russian if they are militarily striking one of our allies.

Re:Congradulations China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40431659)

Well, to be fair, a US congressman and former presidential candidate has called for a preemptive strike on Russia during the North Ossetian war. There are morons on both sides, that shouldn't prevent the intelligent, reasonable people from working together.

In answer to your question: if "Russia" (I assume you mean the government, because roscosmos would never voluntarily do this) decided not to send Americans to the ISS, a very likely outcome is that the best and brightest that are still left at roscosmos would go to the US (...or China?), because that would essentially spell the end of meaningful space exploration for Russia. But it's a moot point, since the chance of that happening is probably about comparable to the chance of that "first strike" the general (or McCain for that matter) were talking about.

Re:Congradulations China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40430525)

You have OCD?

Alternative Spacerace (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40427649)

It's not like the other countries involved in ISS have economic problems, engage in protectionism and have a foreign policy that differs from China. I understand that China wants to do some stuff for themselves.

Re:Congradulations China (1)

Sigg3.net (886486) | about 2 years ago | (#40427765)

What you're saying is; USA USA USA USA! ... who blocked them out.

Re:Congradulations China (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40427917)

, even the Russians managed that.

Very funny. Without the Russians experience with Saljut 7 and MIR there would be no ISS.

Re:Congradulations China (5, Funny)

M1FCJ (586251) | about 2 years ago | (#40428031)

ISS is mainly MIR-2 and its assorted bits and bobs. If Russians decide to go and play their own ball and take Mir-2 bits, the rest would deorbit and burn in no time and the Russians would still have a viable space station.

Re:Congradulations China (2)

wiredlogic (135348) | about 2 years ago | (#40430271)

Actually, the Russians are going to disconnect their modules in 2018 and create their own follow on station.

Re:Congradulations China (2)

WindBourne (631190) | about 2 years ago | (#40431215)

Not likely. It is almost certain that by 2018, we will have a tug for the western half. Even now, NASA is hard at work on developing a tug, as well as automated docking.

The rest of it is great as it stands. The issue for Russian side is that they have very little room, and literally no power.

OPSEK (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40431635)

linky to what you said: OPSEK [wikipedia.org] . Apparently the Russians still need to launch 2 modules, Nauka and Node Module, then they'll decouple the lot at the end-of-life of the ISS and continue on their own.

Re:Congradulations China (1)

johnny cashed (590023) | about 2 years ago | (#40432593)

Where does Skylab fit in? No respect for the Skylab?

Re:Congradulations China (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40428235)

>If China was serious about Space exploration and development

Hmm ... how is a country that's actually exploring and developing space by physically being there and doing the work all by themselves not considered serious?

Maybe their technology is trailing but they aren't kissing anyone else's ass or asking permission to be there. They're just getting the job done.

Re:Congradulations China (1)

Antarius (542615) | about 2 years ago | (#40427807)

What's that? Learned how to spell "congratulations?"

Re:Congradulations China (0)

evanism (600676) | about 2 years ago | (#40427953)

I smell fear in your voice, American.

Re:Congradulations China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40431305)

Still puts China ahead of laggard states like Germany, France, UK, Japan...

Message for China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40427675)

Please do not release the space ants.

Re:Message for China (1)

elrous0 (869638) | about 2 years ago | (#40428663)

Posting AC won't save you from the sugar mines, resister!

Is there some special about a manual docking? (4, Interesting)

nzac (1822298) | about 2 years ago | (#40427703)

Supposedly this is an advancement on an automated docking. Can someone fill me in or is this just media spin?

Re:Is there some special about a manual docking? (1)

Malvineous (1459757) | about 2 years ago | (#40427937)

Computers are now so advanced that all we can do as humans is try to keep up.

Actually I don't think they've done automated docking yet. The first was manually done from the ground, now it's been manually done from space. Maybe the next step is automating it.

Re:Is there some special about a manual docking? (0)

icebrain (944107) | about 2 years ago | (#40428013)

No, it's just an example of the old Soviet-style communist approach where the crew can't be trusted, so everything is set up to run automatically and/or from the ground. Once that has been proven to work, and if the crew is deemed reliable enough, they are allowed to try a manual docking.

Re:Is there some special about a manual docking? (5, Informative)

M1FCJ (586251) | about 2 years ago | (#40428043)

Russian automated docking systems used to fail once in a while. The famous Mir-Progress collusion was an attempt on doing a manual docking (to save money by not carrying the automated system which would burn away once the Progress would deorbit) with an unmanned spacecraft (Progress) with the guidance but no control from the manned craft (Mir) which went horribly wrong.

Re:Is there some special about a manual docking? (2)

wmac1 (2478314) | about 2 years ago | (#40428573)

Thanks for the interesting reference. +Informative.

Events leading to the collision of the Progress Cargo Ship with MIR, includes some reconstructed footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM7fTLLmgbk [youtube.com]

Re:Is there some special about a manual docking? (4, Interesting)

johnny cashed (590023) | about 2 years ago | (#40430439)

Not so simple. The Soviets had a system in place called Kurs. Kurs was engineered and produced in the Ukraine. After the Soviet Union broke up, Ukraine was the sole supplier of the Kurs system and also owned the IP of said system. They wanted too much $$$ to supply and/or license the system. Russia then develops the Toru system as a backup and kludge. They were salvaging Kurs computers from automated progress modules and sending them home on the Space Shuttle. I believe that the Kurs system was actually very reliable and had no issues. Toru, on the other hand, was a contributing factor in the collision.

So basically, due to an IP dispute, Russia developed a much inferior system and this resulted in an accident.

Citation: http://www.answers.com/topic/kurs-docking-system [answers.com]

Re:Is there some special about a manual docking? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40430475)

I think it is more of an engineering approach where your space crew (cosmonaut, astronaut, whatevernaut) are determined to be human and potentially fallible. The engineered automatic docking system takes some of the unknown variables out of the loop. Not only that, automatic docking allows for unmanned resupply spacecraft.

On the other hand, Asstronauts are full of ego and come from a test pilot tradition and culture. They demand that they need to be part of the loop, even for something as mundane as docking a spacecraft to another.

Re:Is there some special about a manual docking? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40428275)

just because there are "people" who use such things as stux, duqu and flame. You must have a manual backup.

Re:Is there some special about a manual docking? (1)

Noughmad (1044096) | about 2 years ago | (#40428391)

In the first episode of TNG, Riker has to dock the two parts of the Enterprise manually. Maybe the Chinese like Picard so much.

Re:Is there some special about a manual docking? (1)

Animats (122034) | about 2 years ago | (#40430539)

Not really. Docking has been done automatically, manually by an onboard pilot, and remotely. Russian spacecraft since 1985 have used the Kurs system (which they now have to buy from Ukraine, at a somewhat inflated price). That's a full-auto, straight-on approach system, and has a good track record. The US used onboard pilot control for final shuttle docking. The Dragon spacecraft was remotely controlled into a close position to the ISS, then grabbed with the robot arm.

Docking can be complicated. Until the craft are very close and have a very low relative speed, the orbital mechanics dominate the problem. So the maneuvering craft has to be aligned in the direction for firing its maneuvering engine for orbit adjustment. Early docking (Gemini, Apollo, etc.) was done with the target spacecraft aligned with its own orbit, so that the maneuvering craft didn't have to reorient to dock.

Docking with something big, like the ISS, requires attitude changes and final maneuvering just before docking. Here's a video of a Soyuz docking with the ISS [youtube.com] , using one of the less favorable docking locations because two other craft were docked already.

This recent Chinese dock was aligned with the orbit [rt.com] .

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Female Astronaut... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40427921)

Wonder if they let Liu Yang drive?
Do you reverse park a space capsule?
Err Mission control you remember that space station you used to have in orbit :-))).

Re:Female Astronaut... (1)

samoanbiscuit (1273176) | about 2 years ago | (#40428707)

Actually Liu Yang assisted in the manual docking. But the guy in charge was Liu Wang. I am not making this up.

But what does it mean, really? (1)

cre_slash (744044) | about 2 years ago | (#40427955)

What is a "manual docking" anyway? Are they using paddles? Or maybe maneuvering by intertia provided by throwing wrenches around?

Congratulations on a successful expedition (4, Interesting)

msobkow (48369) | about 2 years ago | (#40427963)

Competition is good, and it looks like the Chinese are proving very competitive in the space race. I'm sure there will be those who claim they "stole" the technology, but regardless of how they acquired the ideas, it's still the Chinese people and industry who are making it work. And as we all know from the failed launches of other nations, even having access to an internet full of historical designs and ideas doesn't make space technology work.

Only solid efforts and tenacity do that.

Re:Congratulations on a successful expedition (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40427997)

Absolutely correct. The Chinese deserve congratulations and well-wishes. What they've done is momentous. ANYthing that gets ANYone into space is good -- in the long run, we're all human and we need to get off this rock!

Re:Congratulations on a successful expedition (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40428925)

What do you mean "stole" the technology? As part of the red scare from 1950, the US government blacklisted the guy that created the first step rocket at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and later became their director, and when the guy wanted to leave got instead five years of house arrest and was exchanged for American prisoners in the Korean war.

This brilliant episode of American realpolitiks effectively exported the whole US rocket program (including nuclear carrier technology) to China in a felling swoop. At least the guy was decent enough to start the development of the chinese program from soviet designs instead of just ripping the US ones that he ** design himself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qian_Xuesen

Re:Congratulations on a successful expedition (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40429241)

Yep, I'm sure that "How to dock spacecraft manually.doc" file came in handy. Now if they can find something along the lines of "How to send a man to the moon.doc" on NASA computers, they will be golden!

Re:Congratulations on a successful expedition (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40431737)

I also strongly suspects that the men in charge have no moral problems sending a manned spacecraft to mars or beyond, and the Chinese astronauts will accept the mission without a blink of an eye.

Now, I'm not saying American or Russian astronauts would sit down an opportunity like that, but the moral of the western society would strongly be against it.

Nice Job China (4, Interesting)

Dolphinzilla (199489) | about 2 years ago | (#40428021)

Having grown up on the Florida space coast watching Saturn V's and Space Shuttles since I was 6 - I can see the pride and excitement in the faces of the astronauts and spectators and I remember what that felt like. It's hard for me to not be a little envious. Have we "advanced" now that Obama Administration killed our manned space program (after promising not to BTW) ? I don't know.... Despite the great success of SpaceX I am skeptical that commercialized space will ever make enough money to survive without government subsidies, only time will tell. But congrats to China for a job well done, enjoy it while you can !

Re:Nice Job China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40428297)

no, no noo, it was the administration that killed the space for americans, but "some" warring paarty that shall no be mentioned here. Those same people created no child left behind. which turned out more like any child 's behind.

Re:Nice Job China (4, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | about 2 years ago | (#40428691)

Have we "advanced" now that Obama Administration killed our manned space program

Son, every administration since Nixon has driven nails in that coffin.

Re:Nice Job China (1)

Dolphinzilla (199489) | about 2 years ago | (#40429707)

fair enough - but this administration dug the hole, tossed the coffin in, and threw dirt on top of it. I guess I have a different perspective on it growing up in the shadow of rockets and going to school with the kids of genuine rocket scientists. It's honestly what made me choose engineering as a career and I was lucky enough to work on the expendable side of things back in the late 80's. I personally believe that space exploration is one of the very few areas that government SHOULD be doing - only the government can shoulder the huge liability of launching rockets and putting people and hardware into space. I applaud the efforts of SpaceX and Scaled Composites and others but I believe it will all come crashing down with the first major accident involving a big loss of property or worse life and the public will cry "why didn't the government protect us from these evil private corporations" unless the governemnt is prepared to indemnify these guys against lawsuits and provide sustained subsidies to keep it going I just don't see how it is a sustainable privatized pursuit. Its the same reasone why there aren't flying cars all over the place, people building their own nuclear reactors. Some things really are better handled by the government (not many but some) - I've seen several large rockets explode with my own eyes, its pretty damn sobering thing to witness - I don't really want one crashing into my kids high school.....

Re:Nice Job China (0)

strack (1051390) | about 2 years ago | (#40430403)

Yeah. Cause no commercial airline that has lost passengers and large, expensive jumbo jets in a plane crash is still operating today, right? Man, you sure do spout some crap. You even threw some 'think of the children' in there too. Seriously.

Re:Nice Job China (1)

Dolphinzilla (199489) | about 2 years ago | (#40431347)

You cite an industry that has oversight by the FAA for that reason, yes an airliner is a pretty powerful thing too, in the wrong hands it can take down a skyscraper. A rocket is a COMPLETELY different thing - when they go wrong there isn't some guy at the controls who can try and avert a school or a shopping mall, yes they have (most have) command destruct capability, but things can go wrong there too. A large booster loaded with solid rocket fuel, cryogenic fuels, or hypergolic fuels is not something your local fire department is prepared to deal with. Airlines and Space are completely different - airlines make money and are a necessary part of the global economy - the country went into gridlock after 9/11 when the airspace was shutdown across the globe. You know what happened when the Challenger exploded - shuttle ops were stopped, an investigation ensued, it was 32 months before we went back to space. Something like that happens to SpaceX they'll probably go bankrupt

Re:Nice Job China (2)

PNutts (199112) | about 2 years ago | (#40429353)

Have we "advanced" now that Obama Administration killed our manned space program (after promising not to BTW) ?

[Citation needed] - There may be one, I just can't find it.

What I did find is an article describing his administration's committment to manned space flight. [spaceflightnow.com] Even though we're not launching men now doesn't mean we don't plan to. The vision he described in 2010 is coming true with the recent SpaceX achievements.

Re:Nice Job China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40429655)

Nice troll. Because we were one step away from a moon base, space elevator, and a manned mission to Mars until Obama ruined everything.

Re:Nice Job China (1)

strack (1051390) | about 2 years ago | (#40430303)

Spacex was entirely privately funded. The Falcon 9 was entirely privately developed. No government subsidies involved. And it is profitable without 'government subsidies', selling commercial satellite launches. Time has told, and it says the shuttle did too little for what it cost, and the ares rocket was shaping up to be more of the same, so the obama administration axed it and gave a contract to spacex to do the same for a fraction of the cost, and spacex is delivering. Deal with it.

Re:Nice Job China (1)

WindBourne (631190) | about 2 years ago | (#40431253)

Gads, Dolphin. You used to be over on Space.com screaming about O as well, making loads of wild assertions then.

So, again, manned space program is certainly not dead in NASA. Never has been. We have several ppl up in space.
Secondly, O promised to NOT kill manned space. It is doing just fine. W and you neo-cons killed the shuttle. And your same group killed constellation. The EARLIEST that Ares I would have flown was 2017 and it was already looking to slip again. br> Third, it is you neo-cons that are hard at work wasting money on the SLS, which will fly human in 2020, while private space is trying for 2014/2015. Sadly, you neo-cons are AGAIN trying to kill private space. Thankfully, an agreement was made for 2.5 funds (likely spaceX, boeing and SNC) for private space. The current problem is that we need MULTIPLE destinations for private space to go to. Sadly, again, you neo-cons are hard at work blocking bigelow aerospace.

Assuming that SpaceX makes it in 2014, I think that BA will have their first BA-330 going up in 2014. At that time, hopefully, we can stop you neo-cons from wasting so much money.

pu-lease (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40428247)

How short a memory so many have. If it were not for the "sharing" of guidance system technology in the not so distant past (Clinton era), the Chinese may have not been able to get off the ground successfully, let alone operate in space. Now we are so in debt to China, and have allowed them to manufacture so many of our high-tech products, no wonder they have "caught-up" in such a short time (relatively easy when you can steal what you cannot invent on your own). Yes, you congratulate your competitors when they deserve it, but you keep a wary eye on them, as they often only have their best interests at heart.

I think of the current situation as similar to a hostile takeover. A big company with lots of cash (China in this analogy) buys out a company deep in debt (USA), strips it of its most valuable assets, fires most of the employees, closes the company, then moves on to the next target.

What we need is the equivalent to the call to action this nation experienced after Sputnik so rocked the world. More and more we see reports of the decline of US students in education and see breakthroughs occurring regularly in other countries, but our people just want to play on the web and watch American Idol (which makes them Americans at Idle). Problem is, most Americans do not understand what is really happening in the world, what their "me-first" and lazy outlook has done -- and simply do not care.

Re:pu-lease (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40428491)

Stop being delusional.

The "Americans" didn't invent the pyramids, nor did they invent vaccines, nor created philosophy and neither invented the sliced bread. Everything you have came from foreign roots. Stop acting like you bring light to the world. And start thanking all those who made the world work before 1492.

China is known for millennia for just caring about their things. When did you hear the Chinese went for world conquest? Have you ever heard of some Chinese wanting to take over Europe like the Arabs did?

It's not like American citizens buy Chinese things; American companies go there and bring cheap things to sell at higher price (and as I've seen once put a label written "Proudly inspected in the USA"... can one be more lame?)

Contrary to that, the US "defends" itself from countries without WMDs, like Iraq, and there's a vicious campaign to transform Iran into a powerful enemy -- I wonder why Iran and not any other country nearby... maybe because of the larger area?

Give me a break, will you? Do you have some stock on war-related companies or what?

Re:pu-lease (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about 2 years ago | (#40428781)

(and as I've seen once put a label written "Proudly inspected in the USA"... can one be more lame?)

For me, what's lame is what Apple puts on their products: "Designed by Apple in California."

Re:pu-lease (1)

PNutts (199112) | about 2 years ago | (#40429379)

Why? Both jobs are important, but there is a certain pride to being the guy with the slide rule instead of the guy with the screwdriver.

Re:pu-lease (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about 2 years ago | (#40429433)

Because it's obvious the product was 'Designed by Apple.' It's a freakin' Apple product. That, and they're obvioulsy obfuscating the fact it's "Made in China." Even if a Dell laptop is assembled by an ODM it's still "Designed by Dell."

Re:pu-lease (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | about 2 years ago | (#40430215)

It's not necessarily obvious - more than 60% of the Boeing 787 (without engines) was not designed by Boeing but by its risk sharing partners...

Re:pu-lease (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40431231)

I would think a good deal of the "design" is also by China.
It's like designing a car, some artsy type can come up with anything from sketches to CAD files, but it's up to the manufacturing unit to actually come up with an actual product, which invariably involve real world accomodations unforeseen by the artsy unit.

Since Apple no longer have a manufacturing unit, various "design" recommendations will be coming from China itself.

I would hardly call Steve Jobs an engineer.

Re:pu-lease (1)

johnny cashed (590023) | about 2 years ago | (#40430781)

Thankfully, the Chinese shared their firework technology with the west, thereby helping the US develop rocket technology.

Re:pu-lease (1)

newbie_fantod (514871) | about 2 years ago | (#40431203)

...the current situation as similar to a hostile takeover. A big company with lots of cash (China in this analogy) buys out a company deep in debt (USA), strips it of its most valuable assets, fires most of the employees, closes the company, then moves on to the next target.

Funny you should say that. It appears that China is also advancing embracing free-enterprise at a rapid pace.

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Normal to wear spacesuits inside? (3, Interesting)

tomhath (637240) | about 2 years ago | (#40428367)

The linked article shows the astronauts wearing pressurized suits, I suppose that's just a precaution, or maybe they keep them on all the time?

Liu Wang took charge of the operation, while Liu Yang conducted aerospace experiments

... and Jing Haipeng was heard singing "Louie, Louie" in the background.

what of the SpaceX shills? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40429479)

woohoo, in before Teancum, Taiwanjohn, Windbourne.
Must all be busy with Elon Musk doing final prep for the SpaceX Pride parade float .
Remember boys, SpaceX float theme this year is Free Jerry Sandusky.

America the Beautiful (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40429723)

I just read Chinese TV was playing America the Beautiful when the rocket took off. Go figure.

Re:America the Beautiful (1)

PPH (736903) | about 2 years ago | (#40432769)

Copy something that works. Why change anything?

Congratulations!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40429823)

I'm glad to see their accomplishment, and congratulations are in order. Space exploration may not be dead after all, and I look forward to witnessing their future involvement and soon, leadership in this exploration, and besides; they wouldn't lend us (the U.S.) the money we needed for our rocket fuel.

Encounter at Farpoint (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40430727)

Data: The Saucer Module is now entering orbit with us, sir.
Picard: Acknowledged. Commander Riker will conduct a manual docking. Picard out.
Riker: Sir?
Picard: You've reported in, haven't you? You are qualified?
Riker: Yes, sir.
Picard: Then I meant now, Mister Riker.
Data: You say you will be doing this manually, sir? No automation?
Riker: As ordered.

Copied from: http://www.scribd.com/doc/52290647/Star-Trek-The-Next-Generation-Encounter-at-Farpoint-script

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