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Turing Archive Director Questions Alan Turing Suicide Report

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the article-of-faith dept.

Encryption 121

That Alan Turing committed suicide is widely accepted as fact. Now, an anonymous reader writes, "According to Professor Jack Copeland, director of the The Turing Archive for the History of Computing, 'The coroner [in Turing's case] didn't really investigate the evidence at all, he just jumped to the conclusion that he committed suicide. He seems to have been very biased from the statements in newspapers at the time.' Copeland further said that medical evidence suggested Turing died from inhaling cyanide rather than drinking or ingesting it."

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All right! (5, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#40430855)

Slashdot's finally gotten to the point where its stories are driven by the Google Doodle!

Re:All right! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40430867)

It would of never happened in commander tacho's day ...

Re:All right! (-1, Offtopic)

rgbrenner (317308) | more than 2 years ago | (#40430911)

Parent should be modded funny. CmdrTaco was the curator of everything slashdot is.

Re:All right! (4, Funny)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#40430965)

You're right, back then the stories would be driven by last week's Google Doodle.

Re:All right! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431873)

You're right, back then the stories would be driven by last week's Google Doodle.

As well as Google Doodle from two weeks ago, which are all dupes of what was posted a week ago.

Re:All right! (2)

MrMista_B (891430) | more than 2 years ago | (#40430901)

Compared to the way things have been going, that's actually a big step up.

Re:All right! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431263)

And DuckDuckGo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431855)

DDG, yesterday [duckduckgo.com]

Perfect timing (4, Insightful)

rgbrenner (317308) | more than 2 years ago | (#40430863)

It's only been a mere 58 years. Now is the time to look into this.

Re:Perfect timing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431335)

To be fair, we had to get used to Turing's gayness before considering the details of the coroner's report.

Re:Perfect timing (1)

dragisha (788) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431337)

It's only been a mere 58 years. Now is the time to look into this.

No brainer for Dr. Brennan. She solved JFK case, kind of warming up for Turing.

More likely an accident (5, Insightful)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431397)

Please note that most seem to be construing this news as a cue to believe that Turing may have been murdered (by the British government, naturally), when in reality, Prof Jack Copeland, the foremost Turing scholar, and Turing's own mother thought it to be a careless accident rather than a suicide, with Copeland saying "the evidence should be taken at face value - that an accidental death is certainly consistent with all the currently known circumstances." [bbc.co.uk] The truth is that the initial inquest was so sloppy we will never know for certain, so those who are apt to believe in government conspiracies will no doubt believe he was assassinated (after he was already subject to humiliating chemical castration), even as the premier Turing expert believes it was more likely an accident.

Prepare for it to get even muddier... (0)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431573)

Be aware: There are likely to be some heavy politics attached to this one. There's a little LGBT politi-blurb making the rounds in Facebook now that claims Turing committed suicide because he was discovered to be gay. Leaving the politics aside, he died a couple of years after the (grossly wrong) conviction/oestrogen injections, but it hasn't stopped certain political groups from using his history to further their own agenda.

Re:Prepare for it to get even muddier... (5, Insightful)

Eric S. Smith (162) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431609)

"...he died a couple of years after the (grossly wrong) conviction..."

Because if he didn't kill himself that very day, it isn't a plausible cause?

Re:Prepare for it to get even muddier... (3, Insightful)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 2 years ago | (#40434899)

That's the thing - no one knows for certain (no diary entries, notes, conversations with friends, etc) that would indicate either way, and yet it's being pushed as direct causation.

Plausible? Maybe. Possible? Certainly. Probable? Unknown.

OTOH, I don't like how quickly and easily correlation instantly becomes causation and gets pressed into an ideological cause... no matter who does it, or why they do it.

Re:Prepare for it to get even muddier... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40434465)

I've seen the post-repost you're talking about. No one should die for being homosexual, or be thrown in jail or be punished for it. On the other hand, I get so fucking sick of having 'tolerance' and 'acceptance' shoved up my ass (to coin a phrase) I could puke.

Re:Prepare for it to get even muddier... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40435149)

As do I. Just today I've had someone tell me that the mere usage of the words "cunt" and "bitch" as insults is degrading to women. I guess they don't realize that a single word can have more than one meaning and that most people don't actually hate women. If you mention this, they'll go on to make unprovable claims about being sexist subconsciously or some other such nonsense (with no evidence, of course).

Yeah, but (1)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431633)

murder is so much more interesting!

Re:More likely an accident (1)

exa (27197) | more than 2 years ago | (#40432777)

Isn't Copeland one of those hypercomputation idiots? I wonder how he got his tenure.

Re:More likely an accident (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40434365)

Being a poofter, maybe he thought it was amyl nitrates and accidentally od'ed?

Re:Perfect timing (1)

idji (984038) | more than 2 years ago | (#40432145)

it's because it's precisely 100 years from his birth that Turing has a lot of attention this week

Widely reported as fact ... (2)

MacTO (1161105) | more than 2 years ago | (#40430909)

His suicide was widely reported as fact. I have serious doubts that anyone who looked into the life of Turing actually believed that his suicide was a fact. (Opinions seemed to vary from conspiracy theories focussed on a government assassination, to it was probably suicide but the investigation was so botched up that we'll never know.)

Re:Widely reported as fact ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40430953)

the funny thing is that the assessment is that he would have been harassed relatively less in the US (he could have gotten a position there after his visit in Princeton).
Apparently being gay was not considered as suspicious as being a communist back then

Gay = "potential commie spy" back then... (4, Informative)

Ellis D. Tripp (755736) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431269)

Back in the 1950s, anyone who was gay was considered as being vulnerable to blackmail by the "filthy reds", who could threaten to expose them unless the subject agreed to work undercover for the commies.

They even applied this standard to the relatively few people who were OPENLY gay, even though there was no basis for exposing somebody who was already out of the closet.

Re:Gay = "potential commie spy" back then... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40432965)

Not "potential", more like "presumed"

Re:Gay = "potential commie spy" back then... (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 2 years ago | (#40433089)

It would have been the perfect storm for MI6.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/06/the-seven-highly-productive-habits-of-alan-turing/ [arstechnica.com]
Would the 1933 letter "Anti-War Council. "Politically rather communist. Its programme is principally to organize strikes amongst munitions and chemical workers when government intends to go to war."" point to a group of UK gov interest?
Years later after ww2 would members be of interest again?
A man packed with the real history of ww2 travelling around Europe chatting with new friends ....
His skill where no longer vital but what he could pass on would have been of some interest to Russia.

Not Correct (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431485)

Two homosexual friends working at NSA went to Moscow in the 60s (I think) and there was a lot of concern about homosexuality and government secrecy.
Homosexuals were then forced to tell their families and friends about their sexual preference to reduce the blackmail potential. Read Bamford's Puzzle Palace.

Re:Widely reported as fact ... (5, Informative)

hey! (33014) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431627)

the funny thing is that the assessment is that he would have been harassed relatively less in the US (he could have gotten a position there after his visit in Princeton).
Apparently being gay was not considered as suspicious as being a communist back then

Well, the only thing you can conclude from the whole sad story is that bigots are idiots. They took away Turing's security clearance because they were afraid his sexual orientation made him vulnerable to blackmail, even though by this point he was a *known* homosexual. The biggest potential threat to national security would have been Turing going to work for a foreign power because he could no longer work in Britain.

America was no better.In 1949 rocket scientists Qian Xuesen applied to become a naturalized US citizen, when reviewing his application noticed, "hey, this guy is Chinese!" He was imprisoned for a year and deported to China because being Chinese he was considered a security risk. He also happened to be the most brilliant young rocket scientist of his generation; so his deportation resulted in the worst possible outcome. He didn't give US rocketry secrets to China, he gave China its own rocketry *program*. Quian became the father of the Chinese ballistic missile program and later space program. He was deeply involved with education, instrumental to training the engineers and scientists who are running China's space program today.

Re:Widely reported as fact ... (3, Informative)

Mark Atwood (19301) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431969)

Somewhere in the bowels of the archives of the US Government is the paperwork regarding Qian Xuesen's attempt at naturalization, his enprisonment, and his deportment. On those papers will be the names and signatures of the US Government bureaucrats who decided to do this. I wonder if any of them are still alive?

I would like to confront them with the results of their ignorant stupidity.

Well, no, what I *actually* would like to do is throw them and their supervisors into a large bonfire...

Re:Widely reported as fact ... (2)

rgbrenner (317308) | more than 2 years ago | (#40430957)

The guy isn't claiming any sort of conspiracy theory:

He said medical evidence suggested Turing died from inhaling cyanide rather than drinking or ingesting it. He said police reported a strong smell of cyanide coming from Turing's lab, where he used it in amateur experiments.

Re:Widely reported as fact ... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431097)

Coroner's report, Subject 25481: Turing, A.
Cyanide poisoning.
Subject was a confirmed bachelor, IYKWIM, and didn't even show the common decency to pretend to the slightest interest in women.

Suicide, and if it wasn't, it should've been!

suicide with cyanide? (5, Informative)

ggpauly (263626) | more than 2 years ago | (#40430981)

As a chemist who has worked with cyanide, I question whether he would have chosen this method to end his own life. Cyanide poisoning is extremely unpleasant and chemists who work with it generally are aware of this. Cyanide gas is very easy to produce from cyanide solutions, just a matter of adjusting or failing to adjust the pH. I have given myself low level cyanide poisoning without being aware of it until the symptoms appeared hours later, and many others have been saved by having the antidote at hand when they realized they had been exposed.

The gas could easily have been produced in his laboratory by his own accident or neglect, or by someone else.

In my opinion Turing's death by cyanide poisoning was not an intentional suicide.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (1, Offtopic)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431001)

well, it just wouldn't sound good if you phrase Turings death as a darwin award. so maybe people just don't want to dig it up.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (3, Informative)

cfalcon (779563) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431113)

Darwin awards aren't given to people whose exposure to danger is consciously undertaken, and most certainly not those for whom the risk was for the betterment of society- for instance, coal mine workers, soldiers, infectious agent researchers, and of course, scientists.

http://www.darwinawards.com/rules/rules2.html [darwinawards.com]

Anyway, I do find myself hoping that Alan Turing's death was accidental instead of deliberate.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431487)

I think taking reckless and unnecessary risks might qualify a scientist for a Darwin award. The BBC article says that he was in the habit of identifying chemicals by tasting them. If he died by tasting cyanide, that might qualify for a Darwin award.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40432873)

The more I learn about his lab, the funnier it gets...

He runs amateur experiments in his basement...
with cyanide...
that he made himself...
that he would identify by tasting it...

Come on.. if that doesn't deserve a Darwin award, what does?

humour (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40433391)

humour can be a way to deal with sadness too. i think it is tragic that he may have been in a state of either
depression or melancholia, simply as a defence. he had helped so many others with unreserved authentic effort.

to the parent, perhaps these behaviours you describe above sound careless, but what do we know about his
mental state? any clues would be evidence as to which of; murder, suicide, or accident it was.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431249)

That's not what a Darwin Award is.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (2, Funny)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431421)

all exclusively gay men get a Darwin award; their genes will never propogate

Re:suicide with cyanide? (1)

beltsbear (2489652) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431551)

Someone modded this funny?

Re:suicide with cyanide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431595)

Because it was funny, because the truth is, that their genes most likely won't propagate. Unless of course they donated sperm so they could go buy some VHS tape cleaner.

Funny? Maybe. Insightful? Absolutely! (-1, Troll)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 2 years ago | (#40432199)

Short of Mother Nature making a species or sub-species shocking pink, slow, and tasty, homosexuality is just about the biggest Darwinian "Fail" one can imagine. If homosexuality were in fact biological and not psychological, it would whither and die as a genetic trait in just a few generations. It's basically a lifestyle luxury borne of high birth rates and low death rates -- sort of like NASCAR.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431643)

Yet they may help with the survival of their genes by assisting fellow humans, who share those genes. To give a really simplified example, imagine a gay person saves their a sibling from drowning, who later has children. Indirectly, that gay person has propagated their genes.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (3, Insightful)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431671)

The Darwin Award is strictly for people whose genes never propagate in cases where that is the preferred outcome. Basically, people too stupid for their own good. I highly doubt one of the first computer scientists falls under that category.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#40433741)

so now we're getting serious about my stupid joke? ok, let's have at it. that's your definition, not Darwin's. Behaviour that leads to no offspring is the issue

Re:suicide with cyanide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40434619)

Don't make jokes you yourself think as stupid next time.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#40434879)

you have much to learn of the Way of the Troll, young slash-jedi

Re:suicide with cyanide? (1)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#40435143)

First rule of trolling is to not tell them you are. Unless it's some kind of ploy. Then tell them it enough times they're no longer sure if you are. Drives them insane. Anyway, I prefer my jokes to be factual. Usually I prefer to laugh at the stupid people who don't get it. Hence I sometimes correct obvious jokes that include factual inaccuracies, just because that seems like a worthwhile thing to do in my goal of making all humor factually-based. Like the electron joke. Also that AC wasn't me.

('Two atoms were walking across a road when one of them said, "I think I lost an electron!" "Really!" the other replied, "Are you sure?" "Yes, I'm positive."')

Gay uncle hypothesis (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40432959)

Raise your hand if you have an uncle who left you a nice sum of money because he wasn't married and/or doted on you with financial gifts beyond the usual proportions. How does this not enhance the survival of common genes? At the very least, the presence of non-procreating members in a tribe isn't harmful and might have conveyed some advantages over tribes with higher procreation percentages. There's also a grandmother theory that runs along similar lines. Post-menopausal women don't get the "Darwin award", but contribute to the tribe in various ways. I'm referring to tribes because until about 10,000 years ago that was the most common arrangement. That's a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms.

Re:Gay uncle hypothesis (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#40433749)

My uncle didn't leave me a damn thing, but went around fucking a lot of women. He's more successful by Darwin's critieria than your nice Uncle BooFoo

Re:suicide with cyanide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40433491)

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but it's straight couples who keep having gay children.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#40433735)

so what, changes nothing about what I said

Re:suicide with cyanide? (1)

samoanbiscuit (1273176) | more than 2 years ago | (#40433613)

It's funny, funny that slashdotters are still so ignorant regarding things outside of their own experience. A lot of gay people procreate biologically, fucking is not the only way to introduce sperm into a vagina; for a gay man, that vagina could be a paid surrogate or a friend's, for a gay woman, that sperm could be a sperm donation or a close friend's.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (0)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#40433731)

that is quite uncommon, and also falls outsinde MY definition of "exclusively gay", that is heterosexual reproduction. When a baby crawls out of a man's ass after 9 months, then give me a call and I'll retract what I said.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (1)

samoanbiscuit (1273176) | more than 2 years ago | (#40434085)

Then your "definition" of "exclusively gay" is pretty stupid. A syringe of semen squirted up someone's vagina doesn't sound very heterosexual to me. It doesn't sound sexual at all. Yet pretty much every lesbian family is started off in this way. Rich gay couples are using surrogacy (which in no way or form involves anyone having sex, and often the egg is not even from the surrogate) now more than ever. These people certainly aren't sexing anyone of the opposite gender to fulfil their reproductive needs. No one ever made the claim that homosexual sex leads to reproduction, but rather, that reproduction is becoming more and more uncoupled from heterosexual sex thanks to contraception, surrogates, and sperm donation.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#40434935)

post a video of the syringing and I"ll bet someone wanks to it. put it on wikipedia and watch the complaints of porn on the pedia.

anyway, what you speak of is still rather rare because it costs money (often requires lawyers because progeny and prosperity have links in our civilization). I know quite a few L & G couples, none have children. On the other hand, there are married men who "get it on the down-low", but now that's into the "not exclusively gay" realm.

Amazing how many feminist columnists take your approach, happily harping about the one in one hundred thousand that happens to act the in the way they think people of an ideal world would function. They are rather oblivious to the fact that their culture has a negative population growth, the old-fashioned and brutal are indeed inheriting the earth right from under them. I'm talking about Spanish & Islamic cultures where men beat their wives and keep them subservient, they are the ones with the positive population growth: it is obvious though very regrettable that is the future.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (2)

jimbirch (2621059) | more than 2 years ago | (#40433743)

It has been established that the sisters of gay men have more kids. The exact mechanism is unknown but presumably the genes that tend to make them gay tend to make their sisters more prolific mothers. They might not have kids themselves but could still have better inclusive fitness.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431423)

In simplest terms a Darwin Award is a pseudo-honor granted to those that improve the human gene pool by removing themselves from it. Generally for one to be considered Darwin Award worthy they must satisfy the requirement of dieing as a result of their own ignorance, incompetence, or carelessness. There are some exceptions of course and some award honorees are still very much alive.

In the case of Turing, if his death was indeed by accidental cyanide poisoning within a home laboratory as a result of careless lab procedure, then it is indeed qualified as Darwin Award worthy. If it was an intentional suicide or homicide then it does not qualify.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#40432521)

In the case of Turing, if his death was indeed by accidental cyanide poisoning within a home laboratory as a result of careless lab procedure, then it is indeed qualified as Darwin Award worthy.

No, it doesn't, not automatically. For that to work he'd have to have died just an hour after giving a big speech on cyanide gas safety.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431125)

I vote accident myself, but with lack of true evidence i can see why they might say it was intentional.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431143)

Would a fatal acute dose of cyanide be unpleasant? You say that you gave yourself low level poisoning without being aware.

It is my understanding that cyanide poisoning interrups the ability for oxygen to bind with blood cells. One would pass out of asphyxiation in a short time.

I'm curious because at one time in my life, I contemplated suicide via cyanide. (I'm no longer in that state of mind)

Re:suicide with cyanide? (5, Interesting)

ggpauly (263626) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431603)

I was not aware that at the moment I was poisoned. I was certainly aware later when the symptoms appeared, although I did not immediately connect them to cyanide poisoning. I had a searing headache, muscle contractions, and lethargy, not the full range of symptoms which include convulsions, cardiac arrest, and asphyxiation perceived even when breathing. Coma will occur - this is I suppose the end result of almost any fatal poisoning. It is not clear to me when unconsciousness occurs in this process. it may be dose-dependant. It would be instructive to hear from those who have been rescued from the full throes of symptoms. The only person I personally know who rescued himself from a high dose of cyanide by immediate ingestion of antidote suffered only minor symptoms.

Curiously, that person (who orally ingested a splash of concentrated cyanide in a plating plant) took an oral antidote that does not seem to be mentioned in the Wikipedia entry on cyanide poisoning. It may have been thiosulphate, I don't remember clearly off the top of my head. Keep your mouth closed in a plating plant. I was once obliged to prepare a sulphate solution for myself in a laboratory after accidently ingesting concentrated barium. Worst case of beer farts I ever had, no other symptoms. If you work with poisonous substances you should be prepared.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40432427)

htf does one accidently ingest concentrated barium? Did you think it was skittles?

Re:suicide with cyanide? (4, Interesting)

xaxa (988988) | more than 2 years ago | (#40432963)

I once "accidentally ingested" a liquid in a factory. A moderately pressurised line blew, and squirted the liquid in a line over my face, including my mouth.

Fortunately, this was a food factory, and the liquid was food-grade alcohol (used as a preservative, roughly vodka strength) mixed with natural flavouring (cherry, I think). The line manager was standing opposite me, and asked me to swallow it -- had I spit it out they would have had to stop production and clean the area.

Hopefully places with actually dangerous chemicals have better equipment, but accidents do happen.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431355)

If it's true then the romantic notion of him being bullied into poisoned-apple suicide by his government for homosex is false.
If I had to pick a preferred scenario, I'd go for accidental death.

Re:suicide with cyanide? (1)

cffrost (885375) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431475)

I have given myself low level cyanide poisoning without being aware of it until the symptoms appeared hours later [...]

Will you please describe the effects you experienced? Did you panic when you realized what was occurring? Did you have access to an antidote, and if so, was it required for recovery at the dose you received?

Commie Bastards!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431017)

We can't rule out murder by soviet agents.

The KGB was still playing fast and dirty back in those days, and cyanide gas was their preferred weapon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

On the other hand Alan Turing was a great man and an asset to be treasured by the entire world.

By his death the whole of the human race was diminished.

So why would the soviets do such a thing?

Not Plausible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431601)

That man Bandera was a top enemy of the soviet state, very much like those who are called "terrorists" by America today are enemies of the American state. There was a guerilla war going on in the forests of Ukraine and their goal was "decapitation" of the guerilla org. I would not be surprised to learn German and American intel supported them one way or the other. "Fremde Heere Ost" is still located in Munich (where Bandera was killed); except that their name is a bit different now.

Alan Turing was a scientist in Britain with no connections to the SU and British security services are normally quite effective in protecting their own people. But yeah, donning my tinfoil hat I can see Turing breaking soviet codes after he was to successful with German ciphers. The British were shit-scared about the latest incarnation of their arch-enemy Russia. Maybe Turing was too successful and the Russkies got word of it. Tinfoil - a source of creativity !
 

really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431021)

another damn apple doubting story?

They've murdered Alan Turing (0)

vst (2539516) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431129)

because he was gay!!!

Have we ruled out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431173)

GM grass?

Re:Have we ruled out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431725)

Nope it was definitely global warming mixed with a little bit of evolution. Oh, and cigarettes cause cancer, that probably killed him too. AMIRITE!?

More than a suicide (0)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431219)

The widely acknowledge factoid is more than suicide. The claims are he poisoned himself with an apple injected with cyanide, after becoming obsessed with Disney's Snow-White movie. Where does this folklore come from ?

He synthesized cyanide himself, so of course his apartment smelled of it. The idea that a gay man with drug-induced depression could wish to eat the enchanted apple to sleep a hundred years before a prince wakes him up in a more tolerant world seems pretty credible to me.

Re:More than a suicide (5, Insightful)

ggpauly (263626) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431293)

So you're suggesting that one of the greatest polymaths since Eratosthenes had the the mentality of a 5 year old girl, in part because he was gay?

Re:More than a suicide (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431353)

Exactly! because y'know, fags, not quite right in the head, amirite brah?

Re:More than a suicide (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40432073)

Mods, meet sarcasm. Sarcasm, mods.

Way better article at BBC (4, Informative)

l00sr (266426) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431429)

The beeb has an article [bbc.co.uk] that addresses the apple thing--he often ate an apple before bedtime, so the fact that a half-eaten apple was found on his night stand wasn't unusual at all, and the apple was never tested for cyanide.

Re:Way better article at BBC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40433705)

I read the article but saw no mention of Justin Bieber as a source.

Re:More than a suicide (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40432685)

The idea that a gay man with drug-induced depression could wish to eat the enchanted apple to sleep a hundred years before a prince wakes him up in a more tolerant world seems pretty credible to me.

Pro-tip for judging your own misconceptions about gays: in the above sentence replace gay with straight, prince with princess, and see if you still think it sounds right.

He was a known pederast (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431279)

Who cares how he died.

Re:He was a known pederast (1)

cffrost (885375) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431515)

Why should his sexual or criminal proclivities, real or imagined, have bearing on people caring how he died?

Re:He was a known pederast (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40434401)

Um, because he was a pederast, how fucking stupid are you?

Re:He was a known pederast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431885)

Your confounding him with Arthur C. Clarke

Re:He was a known pederast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40434425)

No, he isn't. Turing was a well known lover of young boys.

At this point, who knows... (1)

Karmashock (2415832) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431303)

You might as well do a criminal investigation on Julius Caesar.

ET 2 brute (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431589)

Come now, we know Julius Caesar was murdered by Brutus, Cassius Casca et Al. We even have Shakespeare's eyewitness testimony.

Back in the days when they had IDE hard drives.

Re:ET 2 brute (1)

Kittenman (971447) | more than 2 years ago | (#40433945)

Come now, we know Julius Caesar was murdered by Brutus, Cassius Casca et Al. We even have Shakespeare's eyewitness testimony.

Back in the days when they had IDE hard drives.

Oh very good. IDEs of March hard drives, you're talking...

Re:At this point, who knows... (1)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431691)

Yeah, because no one ever undertook that exact effort. Archaeologists the world over just wrung their hands at it.

Re:At this point, who knows... (1)

Karmashock (2415832) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431875)

... Hyperbole is not an argument.

Re:At this point, who knows... (1)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431939)

The point is that people did the exact thing you said they might as well do. Which means they might as well do this, by your argument.

Re:At this point, who knows... (1)

Karmashock (2415832) | more than 2 years ago | (#40432083)

Fine... if everyone wants to go digging up Turning have fun... Enjoy your weekend with the corpse.

Just like Lincoln (0)

Kohath (38547) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431363)

Who knew Alan Turing was a vampire hunter?

No one (1)

koan (80826) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431679)

No one that understands cyanide would choose that as a suicide method.

Re:No one (1)

koan (80826) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431715)

Meh ignore that I was thinking of strychnine.

Copeland said (1)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | more than 2 years ago | (#40431915)

"that medical evidence suggested Turing died from inhaling cyanide rather than drinking or ingesting it."

And we all know that inhaling cyanide (as opposed to eating or drinking it) actually has therapeutic effects for depressed men who have been arrested, tried, and convicted of the crime of loving someone of their own gender and then subjected to chemical castration. It couldn't have been suicide.

Re:Copeland said (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40434183)

The point is that inhaling it is much easier to do accidentally.

so what (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40431947)

just another dead faggot 50 years on now.

Torchwood (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40432917)

Allen was a known associate of Torchwood from 1951 through 1956. He was reported dead on 8Jun54, but you can't believe everything you read. He began travelling with The Doctor 7May52. Allan lives! end transmission.

Let's grab some shovels and find out... (1)

martiniturbide (1203660) | more than 2 years ago | (#40433537)

..is it worthy?
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