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Fundamentalist Schools Using "Nessie" To Disprove Evolution

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the tell-them-about-the-banana dept.

Education 936

The debate between creationists and proponents of evolution isn't ending any time soon, but now some creationists have a secret weapon, "Nessie!" Certain fundamentalist schools in Louisiana plan to teach children that the Loch Ness monster is real in a bid to disprove Darwin's theory of evolution. From the article: "One ACE textbook – Biology 1099, Accelerated Christian Education Inc – reads: 'Are dinosaurs alive today? Scientists are becoming more convinced of their existence. Have you heard of the "Loch Ness Monster" in Scotland? "Nessie" for short has been recorded on sonar from a small submarine, described by eyewitnesses, and photographed by others. Nessie appears to be a plesiosaur.' Another claim taught is that a Japanese whaling boat once caught a dinosaur. It's unclear if the movie Godzilla was the inspiration for this lesson."

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Was Jesus riding Nessie? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442291)

Just asking....

Re:Was Jesus riding Nessie? (-1, Offtopic)

Droog57 (2516452) | about 2 years ago | (#40442359)

troll

Re:Was Jesus riding Nessie? (-1, Flamebait)

Kagetsuki (1620613) | about 2 years ago | (#40442435)

+1 troll

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Re:Was Jesus riding Nessie? (5, Funny)

Reasonable Facsimile (2478544) | about 2 years ago | (#40442381)

Just asking....

No, just cuddling....

http://cdn.twentytwowords.com/wp-content/uploads/Jesus-and-dinosaur-e1299096274567-634x865.jpg

Re:Was Jesus riding Nessie? (1, Funny)

Niris (1443675) | about 2 years ago | (#40442443)

Maybe Jesus _WAS_ Nessy. Just picture it: Nessie descending from the heavens, white robe billowing in the wind, sunlight glistening off flippers on the third day. Jesus Nessy Saves!

Land of the free (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442305)

home of the derp

They are even dumber than they seem. (5, Insightful)

cfulton (543949) | about 2 years ago | (#40442311)

Finding a live dinosaur does not in any way disprove evolution. It would simply mean that some very few dinosaurs lived through the extinction event. These Christians really need to take a class in evolution. That way they would know what they need to disprove.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442415)

They tie it into the Young Earth stuff too it sounds like.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442449)

You're right. In contrast, finding Chewbacca would prove that evolution doesn't make sense.

Supposedly, birds are dinosaurs (1, Redundant)

PeterM from Berkeley (15510) | about 2 years ago | (#40442451)

It's been claimed that birds are pretty much the direct descendants of dinosaurs.

Sorry, no URL.

-PM

Re:Supposedly, birds are dinosaurs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442655)

More than claimed
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-06-12/opinion/horner.dinosaur.chicken_1_mary-schweitzer-pet-dinosaur-dinosaur-project
they are trying to remake them!!!

Jurassic park here we come (but only ankle high and stupid so I think we are safe)

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (4, Insightful)

C0R1D4N (970153) | about 2 years ago | (#40442457)

You beat me to it. If tyey want a living fossil to disprove darwin there are plenty of real ones (I prefer horseshoe crabs myself). I suppose it shows some species havent evolved considerably for millions of years, but these idiots generally believe the Earty started with the neolithic revolution so it doesnt really help them.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (5, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | about 2 years ago | (#40442697)

If they want a "living fossil" they only need to look in a mirror.

If you can tell me the difference between religion and mythology, I'd be interested to know.

I wonder what "the dark ages 2.0" will be like. With so many people like this out there, we can't be too far away from another knowledge and development extinction event.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (2)

Niris (1443675) | about 2 years ago | (#40442869)

You may be interested in the book Canticle for Leibowitz. Not the same way of getting into that dark age, but the same idea none the less. A fun read.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442465)

Finding a live dinosaur does not in any way disprove evolution. It would simply mean that some very few dinosaurs lived through the extinction event. These Christians really need to take a class in evolution. That way they would know what they need to disprove.

Exactly. Just like proving evolution doesn't disprove creationism. Raise and educate your children the way you want, and I'll raise and educate my children the way I want. Problem solved.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442573)

Sure, just as you'll tell them about Santa Claus and Little Red Riding Hood and Unicorns and Dragons. They're called fairy tales. As long as they know the difference from what's real and what most likely not they'll be okay.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (5, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | about 2 years ago | (#40442599)

Until your misinformed spawn grow up and vote. Then we have a real problem.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442659)

But we also have the misinformed Hatta that was raised to believe that his vote matters or is even tallied correctly. Probably also thinks their are just two political parties.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (1)

ZankerH (1401751) | about 2 years ago | (#40442639)

How thick are you? Evolution and creationism directly contradict each other, they are mutually exclusive - which is to say, only one of them can be true. "Agree to disagree" is absurd - it's impossible for two rational agents to disagree over a matter of fact.
If someone considers mathematics and writing the work of the devil, should they be allowed to bring their children up without teaching them how to count, read or write?

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (1)

redneckmother (1664119) | about 2 years ago | (#40442783)

If someone considers mathematics and writing the work of the devil, should they be allowed to bring their children up without teaching them how to count, read or write?

Why not? My cousin raised a passel of them this way.

Oh, the trials and tribulations of being a redneck! :-)

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (5, Insightful)

preaction (1526109) | about 2 years ago | (#40442799)

You're talking about "abiogenesis", which does contradict creationism. Evolution is a process that can exist with or without creationism or abiogenesis. Of course, nobody cares about this distinction, but I believe that is the distinction that GP is trying to make.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442673)

Exactly. Just like proving evolution doesn't disprove creationism. Raise and educate your children the way you want, and I'll raise and educate my children the way I want. Problem solved.

This is exactly the problem- raise your child any way you want, fine. But don't try to have crazy ideas (creationism) taught as science, while suppressing teaching of real science (evolution) in public schools. If you want creationism taught in a comparative religion or sociology class, that's fine too. Science class is for science, stories about bigfoot, the Easter bunny, and the Loch Ness monster are not.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (1)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | about 2 years ago | (#40442683)

Umm yes it does: The Earth wasn't created in 7 day; the Earth is approximately 4.54 Billion years old not 4,000 years; Humans evolved over time and were not contemporaries of dinosaurs.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 2 years ago | (#40442805)

It certainly disproves virtually all literal interpretations of Genesis, and archaeology takes care of a fair chunk of Exodus as an actual historical account.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (0)

bky1701 (979071) | about 2 years ago | (#40442823)

Yeah, go ahead and raise them by telling them lies. Then they can either be effectively mentally handicapped the rest of their lives living in fear of a being that does not exist, or figure out you lied to them in face of the facts and learn to hate you for it.

Maybe we need to institute basic science tests before people are allowed to vote. Not totally behind the idea, but people like you make it sounds like a good tradeoff.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (5, Interesting)

CokeJunky (51666) | about 2 years ago | (#40442471)

There are many examples of "living fossils" -- living things that are essentially unchanged from dinosaur era fossil records including some varieties of crocodiles, fish, turtles, etc. A live 'dinosaur' would just be a bonus for these people.

What I find most telling is that these 'schools' choose the most ridiculous possible example rather than look for the obvious ones. The argument still wouldn't stand up to the vast number of samples of extinct and changing fossils over time, but it would at least be based on scientific observations that are reliable and readily confirmed.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (2)

mcgrew (92797) | about 2 years ago | (#40442489)

Indeed, weren't alligators and crocodiles around when dinasaurs were? Yep. [wikipedia.org] Animals only need to evolve when their environments change.

(Ok, they have shanged some since the cretatious as the wiki article says)

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (2)

Obfuscant (592200) | about 2 years ago | (#40442587)

Animals only need to evolve when their environments change.

The disproving the nonsense of some "global climate change". They haven't changed, thus there must not be a need.

In fact there are *plenty* of those (2)

aepervius (535155) | about 2 years ago | (#40442527)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagfish [wikipedia.org]
"They are the only living animals that have a skull but not a vertebral column. Along with lampreys, hagfish are jawless and are living fossils; hagfish are basal to vertebrates, and living hagfish remain similar to hagfish 300 million years ago"

Then there is our friend Coelacanth :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coelacanth

and I pass many others which did not evolve much since those time.


Creationist don't do such things to convince others anyway, but rather to make their own rank solid.


anyway : http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAC3481305829426D&feature=plcp [youtube.com]

;)

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (2, Interesting)

CoderFool (1366191) | about 2 years ago | (#40442537)

don't lump all christians in with this lot. the way I see it, scientists cannot disprove the existence of God and christians cannot disprove evolution, or even natural selection.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (3, Insightful)

tgd (2822) | about 2 years ago | (#40442627)

Evolution is something observed, and tested *every day*.

God is a concept made up by humanity. The core theology Christians believe in was fabricated by man, and the evidence of that is FAR stronger than for evolution. Its trivial to trace back the morphing and origin of key theological cornerstones through history, via primary sources.

So, yes, its okay to lump in all Christians with that lot. Ignorance is ignorance -- it doesn't matter if a larger number of people share it.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (1)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | about 2 years ago | (#40442719)

"...scientists cannot disprove the existence of God...."

If it's a testable assumption, yes they can.

Not the same (5, Insightful)

KingSkippus (799657) | about 2 years ago | (#40442781)

I'd agree with your "don't lump all christians in with this lot" statement. Most of my friends and family are Christians, and they are perfectly nice, well-adjusted people, and I don't make a habit of going around arguing with people.

However, please do not try to set up an equivalence between belief in the existence of God and belief in evolution. Christians cannot provide direct proof of the existence of God. They cannot even provide any compelling evidence, except maybe some philosophical thought experiments that pretty much break down when one simply asks, "are there any other alternatives that could explain this?". Evolution, on the other hand, has vast libraries of direct observations, repeatable experiments, and scientifically testable outcomes that support it. There's a huge difference.

Look, I don't have a problem with Christians. If I did, living in the Bible Belt South, I literally wouldn't be able to talk to hardly anyone. You believe things on faith, I get that, and honestly, as far as religions go, it's got some good parts to it that I respect. But please, just admit it and be at peace with it, don't try to either 1) build up your beliefs with misguided scientific "proof" of things that cannot be proven, or 2) tear down bodies of scientific proof for things that can.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (1)

Sperbels (1008585) | about 2 years ago | (#40442807)

If you are a Christian--and you realize these people are totally nuts--my advice would be to rename your faith to dissociate yourself from them...because they seem to be in the majority.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (4, Insightful)

belthize (990217) | about 2 years ago | (#40442541)

Have you really seen any evidence that simple logical arguments will carry any weight. I certainly haven't. The agenda isn't to disprove evolution, the agenda is to assert the correctness of a literal interpretation of the Bible. There's virtually no way to have a debate with them, the only hope is a sufficiently large number of people will realize how woefully wrong they are.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (4, Informative)

next_ghost (1868792) | about 2 years ago | (#40442557)

Funny thing is, when you use proper genetic classification of species, it turns out there are still living dinosaurs even today: birds! Every time you eat chicken, you eat a dinosaur.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (1)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | about 2 years ago | (#40442563)

True, but having that small a population of a large animal survive would be extremely unlikely based on our understanding of basic genetics and issues of inbreeding and minimal stable populations. So there argument seems to implicitly be that if a small population survived, then it makes sense to conclude that the extinction event occurred much sooner than 65 million years ago. Phrased that way that wouldn't be an unreasonable argument if there were actual, substantial evidence that Nessie was real and was a dinosaur.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442565)

All they need to show is that Scientists, in completely controlled environments have not been able to get fruit flies to evolve into anything resembling a different species. The whole theory is that a species somehow, uncontrolled, evolved into another species. If we can't do it under controlled circumstances with a species that has a short enough life span to see the results of generations of change, then how was nature going to evolve one species to another in an uncontrolled environment? Most Evolutionist need to take a class in basic scientific methods.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (1)

burne (686114) | about 2 years ago | (#40442729)

Besides the crocodiles and birds (which share a common ancestor with Archaeopteryx) there's the always popular Coelacanth ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coelacanth [wikipedia.org] ) which hasn't changed much in the last 400,000,000 years.

Many more examples exist, in the form of plants (ferns, Pteridophyta), insects (Rhyniognatha) Amphibians (Ichthyostega) and so on.

It's like with chimps and human evolution (4, Insightful)

Pfhorrest (545131) | about 2 years ago | (#40442769)

I think their line of "reasoning" here is probably similar to the "argument" that "if humans evolved from chimps, why are there still chimps around?"

They're trying to go "Look, dinosaurs still exist! So how could anything new have evolved since them if they're still around, eh?"

It's a failure to realize that evolution is a branching of the tree of life, not the creep of one single vine of life or something.

Re:They are even dumber than they seem. (5, Informative)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about 2 years ago | (#40442831)

These Christians really need to take a class in evolution.

Actually, "these Christians" are Fundamentalists. Being religious does not automatically make you dangerous until you cross the line and require people to believe what you believe.

Didn't RTFA (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442319)

If dinosaurs were still alive, this still wouldn't disprove the theory of evolution. News at 11.

And what the heck is the article about, please?

Re:Didn't RTFA (2)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#40442583)

If dinosaurs were still alive, this still wouldn't disprove the theory of evolution. News at 11.

And what the heck is the article about, please?

it's about fundie creationists being stupid. it's sort of a circle wank combined with a train wreck gathering.

though, they could be just as well using birds, bees and captain america to disprove evolution, it's not like it matters when you're justifying a fairytale as true(technically they're trying to prove miracles here though, which is technically trying to prove impossible events, because that's what they're trying to prove).

Indeed. But one word: Peafowl (1)

Kartu (1490911) | about 2 years ago | (#40442689)

I find it particularly hard to imagine how useless huge heavy tail and colors that cry "eat me" when miles away could survive for so long.

What debate? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442337)

"The debate between creationists and proponents of evolution"? What is that? As far as I know, biologists continue to work in their field successfully despite the "lie of Darwinism."

Please. It's more like "the attack on evolutionary theory and its teaching by those with religious and political objections" isn't going away anytime soon.

Re:What debate? (2)

bky1701 (979071) | about 2 years ago | (#40442839)

The only debate is between people quoting an ancient fairy tale and people who want the truth respected.

WOW (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442347)

I never thought that pseudo-science could be used to disprove real science! Brilliant!

And if we evolved from Bigfoot... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442349)

Then why are there still Bigfoots around?

Religion: 1
Science: 0

Further evidence (5, Funny)

0123456789 (467085) | about 2 years ago | (#40442357)

I think the Lousiana schools are ignoring important documentary footage of the family of Nessie from the 80s, as described here [wikipedia.org].

Flying Spaghetti Monster? (5, Insightful)

tekrat (242117) | about 2 years ago | (#40442373)

OK seriously, if they are teaching that Nessie is real, why not the Flying Spaghetti Monster? And how about all the other urban legends, such as the Jersey Devil, Flying Saucers/Roswell, Bigfoot, Yeti, Dragons, Unicorns, Mermaids, Hobgoblins, and Trolls?

Yes, I know that Trolls are real, we feed them all the time on Slashdot.

Re:Flying Spaghetti Monster? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442463)

Unicorns are real, too, because I am a pretty one.

Re:Flying Spaghetti Monster? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442477)

Flying Spaghetti Monster, Jersey Devil, Flying Saucers/Roswell, Bigfoot, Yeti, Dragons, Unicorns, Mermaids, Hobgoblins, and Trolls

Those are fo the advanced course Biology 1100.

Re:Flying Spaghetti Monster? (1)

xero314 (722674) | about 2 years ago | (#40442481)

Dude, the Jersey Devil is Real. I heard it from a Friend who's friend told him about a story a friend told him about an encounter with the Jersey Devil. If that's not proof I don't know what is. Actually I have a friend that swears he has seen the Jersey Devil, but that's beside the point

Re:Flying Spaghetti Monster? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442701)

Yay though the heathens believed in mermaids and hobgoblins they would not believe in Him. He struck out with His Noodly Appendage and flooded the world in Holy Marinara. Only Alfredo and the animals on his ark were spared. And He put colored angel hair in the sky as a promise He would never flood the earth again.

--Book of Giuditta 5:14-17

Re:Flying Spaghetti Monster? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442755)

Careful with that line of reasoning. Pretty soon you'll get to "Witches are real". And we all know what you do to witches.

These people are morons! (0)

fredrated (639554) | about 2 years ago | (#40442391)

How do people this stupid manage to eat and breath?

Re:These people are morons! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442439)

They just have to stay alive till 13 to breed, so it's just luck is all /just sayin

Re:These people are morons! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442571)

We have bubblewrapped the world and spend billions to protect them.

Re:These people are morons! (3)

Roachie (2180772) | about 2 years ago | (#40442633)

Never fails, call someone stupid - make an ass of yourself in the process.

Breathe, thats b.r.e.a.t.h.e.

Referring to an earlier article... (2, Insightful)

smooth wombat (796938) | about 2 years ago | (#40442417)

from this site [slashdot.org], the answer to the question, based on this article, is yes. We are failing. Miserably.

When we continue to try and refute or attempt to disprove a scientific fact simply because our mythological beliefs conflict with the facts, we are failing.

If they really wanted to try and "refute" evolution, they would have used the coelecanth as evidence of a dinosaur we once thought was extinct but which is happily living on in our time.

But then, evolution says nothing about whether an animal can exist for millions of years, so there's still nothing to refute.

Are the daft ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442421)

So, proving a Fantasy with a Fantasy.
oh humanity, what have ye come to

I think this would be the perfect time... (2)

PieEye (667629) | about 2 years ago | (#40442425)

...to point out that there is a vast difference between a "scientist" and a "Christian scientist".

How fitting. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442431)

Using fantasy beliefs to defend other fantasy beliefs is very fitting.

Nevermind Nessie (1)

cvtan (752695) | about 2 years ago | (#40442445)

Nessie has never been confirmed to exist. They should instead use Gumby to disprove evolution. At least he is real.

Failed argument on all counts (5, Insightful)

Kurt Granroth (9052) | about 2 years ago | (#40442497)

This reasoning fails in at least three fundamental ways.

First, the Loch Ness Monster simply doesn't exist. No reputable scientist would claim that it does, or even that it could exist in the way that it is commonly portrayed.

Second, it's not even necessary for dinosaurs to still exist to support their argument. There are already well-known animals alive today that have been virtually unchanged since the dinosaur times. Alligators and crocodiles are the best examples I can think of, off the top of my head.

Third, as the existence of alligators shows, even if dinosaurs did still exist, that doesn't in any possible way "disprove" the Theory of Evolution. I'm not entirely certain what reasoning would have to apply so that their existence would matter at all.

Really, this mostly just goes to show that any "debate" on the topic is fruitless when one side thinks that an argument like this completely invalidates proven scientific fact. How can you argue against that?

Re:Failed argument on all counts (3, Funny)

tekrat (242117) | about 2 years ago | (#40442593)

I'm sorry, but you're thinking rationally.
Clearly, you don't "get it". Arguing scientific facts with religious fundamentalists is a waste of time.

It's like how Chris Rock describes arguing with your wife. All logical arguments fail, because the target of your argument isn't logical to begin with.

Re:Failed argument on all counts (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442787)

Fourth, dinosaurs do still exist. A branch of the dinosaur family survived the extinction event. We know them as birds [wikipedia.org].

Re:Failed argument on all counts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442817)

First, the Loch Ness Monster simply doesn't exist.

This should be modified to express the idea that the Loch Ness Monster has not been conclusively or even reasonably proven to exist by reliable means. Beware of scientific arrogance that opines that because humankind hasn't discovered or proven it, it cannot possibly exist.

So... it *probably* doesn't exist... but we certainly haven't proven it, and the balance of evidence and logic suggests the contrary.

Re:Failed argument on all counts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442871)

Problem: This is not science, it's religion. If you say something then it becomes true.

I have no issue with religion, but the people doing this can only see things from one perspective--that of religion. They don't realize that science is not also a religion. They believe that scientists just say things, and those things are accepted as fact. This is what they're trying to do here, their idea of science.

Wait, what? (2)

The Grim Reefer (1162755) | about 2 years ago | (#40442519)

I thought dinosaurs didn't exist because the earth was only 6K years old. But now they do, because it somehow disproves evolution?

Next we'll be told the universe exploded into existence from a singularity. Oh, wait.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore. (1)

DeTech (2589785) | about 2 years ago | (#40442535)

But, I really want to read more into the lack of logic behind the "tenet ... that if it can be proved that dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time as man then Darwinism is fatally flawed." At least these arguments are getting more desperate, I call that progress.

Re:I don't want to live on this planet anymore. (1)

Sperbels (1008585) | about 2 years ago | (#40442691)

My guess is that then they could argue that the fossil record is inaccurate.

Not real news, just anti-US bullshit (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442567)

Source looks to be a scottish tabloid running an empty "hurr them yanks sure is dumb" story.

Scotsmen are welcome to correct me if this is a well-respected newspaper in their country. But it sure looks like nonsense.

If it's based on anything, it's based on some fringe crackpot books for homeschooled kids.

Hands up if you went to a public, private or catholic school that taught you Nessie was real and the Ku Klux Klan is a great force for good.

Re:Not real news, just anti-US bullshit (3, Interesting)

bky1701 (979071) | about 2 years ago | (#40442717)

We kind of are dumb, though. Especially some of us. I don't see how this is in any way impossible... we have a contingent of creationists who believe humans and dinosaurs coexisted. If anything, this is the logical conclusion of that line of thinking.

Don't let hominems blind you to the fact there really is a lot of stupidity running wild in this country.

Noooo (1)

Herkum01 (592704) | about 2 years ago | (#40442609)

<IrishAccent> No please, this will be the end of me! People will believe fairy tales, follow rainbows to the source and discover me LUCKY CHARMS!

What, didn't you know leprechauns make their money producing cereal? How do you think we get pots of gold!

What the hell does this prove, exactly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442611)

Bloody Crocs are older than most complex animals living on the planet.
Point?

Reptiles are just one of the most successful species group to have lived.
That further enforces evolution.

God, I hate fruitloops and ignorants. Why can't we just terminate them all and be done with it already?
Think of them as "bad cattle".

Overeaction? (1)

slapout (93640) | about 2 years ago | (#40442651)

That quote doesn't seem to be saying anything about evolution at all. It is just asking the question "Are dinosaurs alive today?"

In related news... (1)

Iniamyen (2440798) | about 2 years ago | (#40442681)

Global warming is a hoax because my freezer houses a chunk of ice that has GROWN over the past 10 years. So there.

Fallacy? (1)

bky1701 (979071) | about 2 years ago | (#40442687)

Teach one lie with another? What's next, classes on how to hunt haggis?

In any case, the children who attended these schools can say goodbye to ever being accepted into a university without some serious remedial studies, like a full on associates degree. Even then, I doubt any of them will be getting into MIT or CMU any time soon.

Fundies also love to hijack Carl Sagan (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442709)

I was watching Dinosaurs or Dragons for laughs Saturday morning and there was a part where the Christians actually have the hubris to claim that Carl Sagan's The Dragons Of Eden was scientific proof that dinosaurs existed with man 6000 years ago. Talk about serious WTFs, wife & I were quite chilled and had to turn off the flick as it was way too disturbing.

Those people ought to be ashamed of themselves.

Always love the EvC 'debates' (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442739)

This is gonna be epic! /popcorn

Disclaimer (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442749)

The views expressed by "Accelerated Christian Education Inc" in no way reflect the views of all Christians. You might think we are crazy, but many Christians think evolution is perfectly valid. More importantly, while God may have created the Earth over a six day period, we are open to the possibility of the creation story playing out over a much larger timeframe.

I will point out that evolution is a really really bad theory for explaining the transition from nothingness to human life, but that doesn't mean life on Earth does not evolve.

Poe's Law (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442759)

This type of stuff is the reason Poe's Law exists.

Intelligence test (4, Insightful)

optimism (2183618) | about 2 years ago | (#40442773)

Hopefully some kid in one of those wing-nut schools (which are absolutely not representative of American education) will raise their hand and ask:

"Um...how can we find a static shipwreck on the floor of the vast North Atlantic, 12,000 ft underwater, but we can't find a huge moving sea monster in a lake with less than 2 cu mi volume, less than 450 ft average depth?"

And hopefully their teacher actually thinks about the question.

Lake Tahoe, which has 20 times the volume of Loch Ness, marketed a "Tessie" monster for a while. They had cute plush toys, stickers, buttons, a little museum, and all that. But it was just a joke, like Nessie.

The best lessons to teach kids with this, are in gullibility, and tourism marketing.

nazi's (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40442795)

the nazi's never died they went to america and created creationism, and caused the iraq war where over 1.4million people died without a cause...

GO, TEAM USA....
Nazi's.

So they're using fake evidence now. (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | about 2 years ago | (#40442809)

I guess it's a step up from the "no evidence" approach. At least they acknowledge the idea that facts have some significance when making claims about the world.

I was homeschooled with ACE (5, Interesting)

BlueKitties (1541613) | about 2 years ago | (#40442819)

From 2nd grade to 12th grade, my primary curriculum was based on the "PACE" system. The way PACE works is, each subject (math, science, etc) is broken down into individual sub-subjects called a "PACE." Each PACE has reading sections, exercises, and a final test, all of which cover a very specific topic. I clearly remember that my one of my PACE physics books (devoted to gases) used the second law of thermodynamics to "disprove" evolution. The "evidence against evolution" was even on the test at the end of the PACE. I also remember one of my early science PACE books covering the "hydrosphere" -- a sphere of frozen hydrogen which covered the Earth in ancient times -- which supposedly collapsed during Noah's flood. Despite some of these quirks, the PACE system was actually pretty solid. The explanations, questions, etc, were all very well structured. Honestly, looking at some of my niece's/nephew's course work in my local public school system, the PACE system was bread-and-butter by comparison.
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