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On Orbitz, Mac Users Offered Pricier Hotels First

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the attached-illustration-says-they-love-it dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Travel site Orbitz found out that Mac users tend to select pricier rooms and swanky hotels. So, from now on, they will show more expensive hotel options to Mac users than to PC users. This is why, although I am a Mac user, my Firefox agent string says 'Windows XP' :)" The (paywalled) WSJ report on which Reuter's summary is based carries Orbitz' s softer explanation, which is that the results by platform are an experiment based mostly on presentation and search-result ordering rather than actually naming higher prices based on OS: "[T]he company isn't showing the same room to different users at different prices. They also pointed out that users can opt to rank results by price."

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305 comments

Well, duh (5, Insightful)

crazyjj (2598719) | about 2 years ago | (#40452003)

A smug sense of superiority requires constant maintenance.

Re:Well, duh (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452049)

Thus, slashdot.

Re:Well, duh (0, Troll)

Cryacin (657549) | about 2 years ago | (#40452059)

Well, recently we saw an idiot tax imposed on users of a certain version of IE at an Australian website. Now Orbits is doing the same thing. For the good of the community. You mac users keep on drinking the kool aid.

Re:Well, duh (5, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | about 2 years ago | (#40452121)

Well not kool aid, but fine wines.

As the company stated they are not offering the same room at different rates, however it is showing the nicer hotels first. If there were enough Linux users to make a difference I would expect that they would give them, the roach motels first.

These systems will try to correlate as much information as possible to give its views the most relevant results. if a Mac User is shown on average to buy a hotel that is 10% more then the cheapest, then orbits to offer the best results will give the 10% above the cheapest as its first options so its customers are not hunting down the list.

Linux users (5, Funny)

goombah99 (560566) | about 2 years ago | (#40452311)

Linux users would be given the address of a home depot, a list of vacant lot sites, and a "makefile" for building a hotel. Unfortunately, there would be library dependencies with links to unmaintained building codes.

Re:Linux users (0)

MrHanky (141717) | about 2 years ago | (#40452393)

Very funny. As if you need any of that for a room in your mother's basement.

Re:Linux users (4, Funny)

Golddess (1361003) | about 2 years ago | (#40452481)

Even nerds living in their mother's basement go to conventions that are too far to drive to / be driven to.

Re:Linux users (5, Funny)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about 2 years ago | (#40452503)

The solution to that is clearly a mesh network of mothers' basements, not any of the above.

Re:Linux users (5, Funny)

An ominous Cow art (320322) | about 2 years ago | (#40452659)

I'm imagining a Beowulf Cluster of mothers' basements...

Re:Linux users (2)

cultiv8 (1660093) | about 2 years ago | (#40452767)

networked through a single WOW Realm.

Re:Linux users (1)

MrHanky (141717) | about 2 years ago | (#40452663)

No, there's a new version of Skype out now.

Re:Linux users (0)

Lumpy (12016) | about 2 years ago | (#40452563)

They need a place to buy rope light.

Re:Well, duh (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | about 2 years ago | (#40452327)

Actually, it could be *any* wine [cracked.com] dressed up with a fancy enough label.

Re:Well, duh (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 2 years ago | (#40452359)

Well not kool aid, but fine wines.

Yes, that's it: "fine wines".

And that sprinkle you're feeling on your head? That's rain.

Re:Well, duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452681)

And that sprinkle you're feeling on your head? That's rain.

Then why does it smell like asparagus?

Re:Well, duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452493)

Fair point, but:

If there were enough Linux users to make a difference I would expect that they would give them, the roach motels first.

All jokes aside,I wouldn't be so sure about that. Linux users tend to be pretty technologically sophisticated, and such sophistication often earns well in today's society.

Re:Well, duh (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452583)

All jokes aside,I wouldn't be so sure about that. Linux users tend to be pretty technologically sophisticated, and such sophistication often earns well in today's society.

Replying to myself, an interesting tidbit, from Linux Journal [linuxjournal.com]

The average household income of their readers is $128,000. That's not too bad for an average!

Re:Well, duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452721)

is there any incentive to be honest with surveys that ask about your income??

Re:Well, duh (3, Insightful)

DrXym (126579) | about 2 years ago | (#40452585)

Well not kool aid, but fine wines.

Or rather, normal wine with a fancy label and sold at a large markup.

Re:Well, duh (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#40452715)

I've seen studies (published on /.) that Mac and iPhone users are often the least affluent citizens. I suspect that's because they are not very money-conscious and just spend their cash w/o regards to the cost. It might explain why they spend more money on hotels than the rest of us.

Re:Well, duh (4, Funny)

Tr3vin (1220548) | about 2 years ago | (#40452169)

You mac users keep on drinking the kool aid.

It is actually Flavor Aid. It is a bit cheaper (so that we can still afford macs) and is also the trusted drink mix of cults since 1978.

Re:Well, duh (4, Informative)

buglista (1967502) | about 2 years ago | (#40452209)

It's not doing the same damn thing - read the fine summary at least. It's showing different more expensive hotels, not adding a 30% Mac mark up!

Re:Well, duh (3)

wealthychef (584778) | about 2 years ago | (#40452689)

A foolish preoccupation with "getting a bargain" is not the way to get what you want in life. Personally I think it's worth spending more when you see value in doing so for yourself. That's what Mac users like myself are doing -- I appreciate and value the design and usability of Macs, so I buy them. Maintenance hassle seems far lower to me. If you think Windows is just as good as Mac, or better, or you prefer that gritty and down to the metal Linux experience, or you just like Linux better, etc., then definitely it makes sense to go Windows or Linux I think and put your financial priorities elsewhere. Enjoy!

Re:Well, duh (1)

stevegee58 (1179505) | about 2 years ago | (#40452063)

Who's smug? Mac or PC users?

Re:Well, duh (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452101)

Mac or PC users?

Yes

Re:Well, duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452113)

A smug sense of superiority requires constant maintenance.

Indeed. Most unlike yourself, sir.

Re:Well, duh (4, Funny)

Dupple (1016592) | about 2 years ago | (#40452177)

I assume Linux users will sleep in a dumpster. After all, it's FOSS

Free Open Sleeping Space!

-----------

I hope everyone has their sense of humour switched on today

Re:Well, duh (5, Funny)

boristdog (133725) | about 2 years ago | (#40452245)

I assume Linux users will sleep in a dumpster. After all, it's FOSS

Free Open Sleeping Space!

Don't be silly, Dumpsters are proprietary. They have connectors to fit only certain types of garbage trucks for emptying.

Now cardboard boxes, THOSE are universal.

Re:Well, duh (1)

PenquinCoder (1431871) | about 2 years ago | (#40452317)

Depending on the vendor you get the box from though, you might have to tape it up yourself to make it useable. Now, the only question is do we start calling these Universal Box Accommodations DEB hotels, or RPM hotels?

Re:Well, duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452355)

Join your cardboard domain to other's to qualify for bonus makerspace credits!

Re:Well, duh (2)

Pope (17780) | about 2 years ago | (#40452429)

A dumpster? Man, I wish! Dumpster-brand trash bins are top-of-the-line. This is just a Trash-Co waste disposal unit.

Re:Well, duh (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about 2 years ago | (#40452635)

But what version is it??

Don't you know the incompatibilities with version 13?

And the awesome features coming out in version 15??

Re:Well, duh (1)

denis-The-menace (471988) | about 2 years ago | (#40452395)

Seriously?
A friend's couch or spare bedroom

But the friend will get free and awesome technical during his stay for *Anything*.

Re:Well, duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452189)

Nonsense, a proper sense of smug superiority is self-sustaining. It's only the smug fashionists who need to exert effort to maintain their smug sense of superiority.

Re:Well, duh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452255)

A smug sense of superiority requires constant maintenance.

Just typical of an apple fanboy right snotty bastards they all need fucking with a stick of C4 with detonator attached ..

Re:Well, duh (-1, Flamebait)

tmosley (996283) | about 2 years ago | (#40452287)

Sadly, PC users have to pay that price PLUS the increased maintenance costs, all while running AV software that grinds their machine's performance into the ground.

Re:Well, duh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452533)

Says the ramen eating barely one foot out of homeless status poo kid that has a 4 year old out of date computer.

Wah, Us rich people use MAC. you poor proles need to shut up and eat your ramen.

Re:Well, duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452619)

So is that why geeks hang out and pretend their computer skills make them special and that everyone else is stupid sheep?

That's the funniest thing about all this. You pick on anyone who uses an Apple product, yet the geek community is one of the most fetid, insular social cesspits ever formed. It's why many of us consider ourselves recovering ex-geeks, no longer able to stomach the scummy, pig ignorant trolls that make up the geekverse these days.

Ah it makes sense now. (5, Funny)

grub (11606) | about 2 years ago | (#40452007)


This makes sense.

When I was looking for accommodations in San Francisco from my MacBook Air, I was offered the executive suite at the 'Beef Chunks in Gravy Bath House'. I could never figure that one out.

Re:Ah it makes sense now. (4, Insightful)

Shrike82 (1471633) | about 2 years ago | (#40452091)

This makes sense.

Indeed. Most travel sites, and general shopping sites, initially organise things by what they call "Relevance", and in many cases this is a totally ambiguous term! Relevance for them can surely mean which supplier paid them the most for advertising. Organising results based on someone's hardware, if a correlation can be shown between the hardware and end choices for accommodation in this case, actually seems pretty sensible and less sinister than what I'd usually expect.

Looking forward to reading all the paranoid and rage filled comments though...

Re:Ah it makes sense now. (2)

mcgrew (92797) | about 2 years ago | (#40452625)

As the first poster said, "well duh". Apple owners pay more for their gear, they want superior gear, and it stands to reason that someone who wants a top of the line computer (whether "top of the line" is real or percieved, many people always think the more expensive item must be better, even though Alieve and the generic naproxin sodium are identical but the prices are way apart) is going to want a top of the line room.

I don't see this as ripping off Apple users, I see it as catering to them.

Re:Ah it makes sense now. (0)

Virtucon (127420) | about 2 years ago | (#40452763)

Was that in the Castro District?

Orbitz deserves praise (1, Funny)

CajunArson (465943) | about 2 years ago | (#40452033)

Apparently Orbitz is helping to contribute to the bloated self-esteem and sense of self-worth that Mac users crave. They should be applauded for reinforcing the RDF in the name of Saint Jobs.

Re:Orbitz deserves praise (2)

Moheeheeko (1682914) | about 2 years ago | (#40452453)

Actually im thinking is more along the lines of "hmm, this dumb schmuck bought THAT overpriced thing, lets see if we can pawn off another."

Re:Orbitz deserves praise (-1, Troll)

Lumpy (12016) | about 2 years ago | (#40452727)

Enjoy your motel8 with your windows PC

The Suites at Ritz-Carlton or the Park Hyatt means I don't have to see your rented ford fiesta. in the parking lot, or smell your un-bathed feet in your flip flops while you present yourself as a homeless unshaved bohemian at the breakfast nook in the morning while I read the news waiting for the private towncar to pick me up.

I think you have zero clue as to what it's like to have money. Those with money use personal concierge service, have drivers, and even enjoy staying at hotels that don't have bed bugs.

But no, you think it's all about MAC versus PC; then whine like a uneducated redneck, How droll.

I was wondering what was giving me that (2)

nopainogain (1091795) | about 2 years ago | (#40452043)

warm and fuzzy feeling this morning.. somewhere, someone is ripping off those uppity mac hypocrites. I wonder if there is a slashdot rating below "terrible". I'm probably about to find out. Meh, i'm one of those obnoxious LINUX users. i'll live.

Re:I was wondering what was giving me that (0)

Dog-Cow (21281) | about 2 years ago | (#40452293)

The warm feeling was probably your diaper. I'm not sure about the fuzzy part. Perhaps you've been wearing your diaper too long.

I am assuming you still wear a diaper, because your reading comprehension is equivalent to those who have not yet reached potty-training age.

Why? (1)

Lord Lode (1290856) | about 2 years ago | (#40452053)

> This is why, although I am a Mac user, my Firefox agent string says 'Windows XP' :)"

Why would you do that, if you're a Mac user, don't you prefer to select the pricier hotels rather than seeing those common hostels for WinXP users?

Linux users (5, Funny)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#40452057)

...will see offers for "escort services"

Users browsing with IE will be offered a helmet and padded walls.

Users logged into Facebook will be given the option to reduce their costs by selling video from hidden cameras inside the hotel room.

Re:Linux users (1)

nopainogain (1091795) | about 2 years ago | (#40452075)

have to high five you for this.. it was funny. have you seen the "unix based os" internet meme where it says "i reboot about as often as i get laid"?

Re:Linux users (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452141)

have to high five you for this.. it was funny. have you seen the "unix based os" internet meme where it says "i reboot about as often as i get laid"?

Where is this meme?! 3

Re:Linux users (1)

A.Gideon (136581) | about 2 years ago | (#40452437)

have to high five you for this.. it was funny. have you seen the "unix based os" internet meme where it says "i reboot about as often as i get laid"?

Where is this meme?! 3

Here. Now.

Re:Linux users (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452087)

Users logged into Facebook will be given the option to reduce their costs by selling video from hidden cameras inside the hotel room.

They would charge me money, not give it to me for watching the output of cameras from my room

Re:Linux users (2)

American AC in Paris (230456) | about 2 years ago | (#40452123)

Nah, Linux users'll see a listing of the closest people with nailguns and lumber on loan. (I kid! I kid!)

Re:Linux users (1)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | about 2 years ago | (#40452135)

I believe that most Google staff are Linux users and they are rather well paid. So you might be right. I imagine the average hobbyist Linux user would be a hard sell for escort services. "You charge what?? I could get a new computer for that and I wouldn't need to shower after I'd paid for it."

Re:Linux users (2)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 2 years ago | (#40452325)

Users logged into Facebook will be given the option to reduce their costs by selling video from hidden cameras inside the hotel room.

"Option"?

Re:Linux users (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about 2 years ago | (#40452673)

You can remove it from your timeline.

But everyone can still see it in Facebook.com/baloroth/video

Re:Linux users (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | about 2 years ago | (#40452693)

So sex is the only thing Linux users are known to pay for?

So wait ... (1)

MilwaukeeMadAss (2521372) | about 2 years ago | (#40452067)

If that's the case, then what is displayed first for PC users?

Re:So wait ... (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 years ago | (#40452105)

Directions to the nearest soup kitchen.

Fleece the suckers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452077)

that choose to pay more for a shiny product.

not only that (0)

larry bagina (561269) | about 2 years ago | (#40452097)

I used the same computer, cleared cookies, and reset the user agent. As a Mac user, they recommended hotels in the meatpacking district, if you know what I mean. As a linux user, they recommended a homeless shelter.

old news? (1)

Muramas95 (2459776) | about 2 years ago | (#40452103)

I am pretty sure this is old news and I hear about this over a year ago.

switch to Linux? ;P (1)

dimko (1166489) | about 2 years ago | (#40452119)

I mean, if you are not even paying for OS on your computer...

If that's the case... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452125)

... are Linux users offered free hotels?

Suprised This Doesn't Happen More Often (4, Interesting)

rsmith-mac (639075) | about 2 years ago | (#40452129)

To be honest I'm surprised we don't see this kind of thing more often. Not just on travel sites, but on any kind of site that doesn't have strict MSRP pricing such as Amazon. Certain platforms absolutely attract certain demographics, and unlike tracking/profiling you don't have to spend time building as profile as all of this data is conveniently offered up by the browser with page requests.

This isn't about pricing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452199)

The hotels are priced the same, they're just arranged differently. If it were a car dealership, they'd show the BMW to Mac users first, before the Honda.

Re:This isn't about pricing (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#40452281)

Mac fanboys seem to drive either tiny eco-cars or huge blinged-out pickups, judging by where I see the Apple stickers.

Re:This isn't about pricing (1)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#40452789)

Mac fanboys seem to drive either tiny eco-cars or huge blinged-out pickups, judging by where I see the Apple stickers.

In other words, as much as the haters would like to think, there isn't a single type of Apple user, just as not all Linux users live in their parents' basements, or that all Xbox Live users are 12 years old think that calling something "gay" is the most insulting thing on the planet.

Funny, that.

Re:Suprised This Doesn't Happen More Often (1)

TheMathemagician (2515102) | about 2 years ago | (#40452431)

What's the problem anyway? Mac owners are demonstrably willing to pay for over-priced goods and services. Just good marketing.

XP? Why stop there? (5, Funny)

davidbrit2 (775091) | about 2 years ago | (#40452143)

Change it to Windows ME, and you can get the senior discounts.

Re:XP? Why stop there? (1)

rullywowr (1831632) | about 2 years ago | (#40452213)

Change it to Windows ME, and you can get the senior discounts.

Unfortunately users will have to reboot 3-10 times, call their grandchildren, and change their Depends undergarments to get the discount and complete the transaction due to multiple BSOD.

Re:XP? Why stop there? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452305)

If that was your experience with WinME than you really shouldn't be touching computers.

Re:XP? Why stop there? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452279)

Younglings....

If you want to qualify for senior discounts, maybe you should say Windows95 (specifically plus-pack add-on IE1.0).
And if you really want to mess with them, try AmigaOS ;^)

fish in a barrel (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452195)

Given the overcharged prices for any mac product and then the extra services added on that they all have to pay for as well (i.e. cleaning services and insurance that dosn't cover you for anything). They have figured out that, on the whole, mac users have more money then sense and target them ... like shooting fish in a barrel.

In other news (4, Insightful)

DarkOx (621550) | about 2 years ago | (#40452231)

Study shows people driving luxury cars tended to park them outside nicer restaurants

Re:In other news (2)

Anomalyst (742352) | about 2 years ago | (#40452647)

If you can call straddling 3 spaces at the perimeter parking.
captcha="DEPENDS"

But of course (2)

inode_buddha (576844) | about 2 years ago | (#40452233)

All those interior designers have to get paid, and show off each other's work!

Confirms what a lot of us know already. (1, Insightful)

Virtucon (127420) | about 2 years ago | (#40452241)

1) MAC User may be more affluent. It's not always the case, but most of the time there's probably a lot of credit card debt associated with the individual as well.
2) Most of them are clueless about technology and just want to leave it to someone else. The mentality "it just works" comes to mind but these folks don't shop around. They see their friends with Apple stuff, they buy Apple stuff.
3) Like rounded corners a lot and need to have the latest fashion. Fondleslabs and Mac Books along with Iphones and Ipods are the new jewelry.. It's a status symbol.

So Why wouldn't they go to more expensive hotels where they can show off their bling? I mean honestly, it's not rare to see apple products "In Use" on multiple TV shows, so if the shallow actors are playing with a mac, why can't everybody else? It's really great marketing PR and hype and Orbitz picking up on this is just an astute observation on customer preference. No if you'll excuse me I'm going down to my local Apple store and speak Farsi and try to by a mac book.

Re:Confirms what a lot of us know already. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452303)

Grow up.

Re:Confirms what a lot of us know already. (0)

alen (225700) | about 2 years ago | (#40452387)

i've stayed in the all-suites hotels in vegas. the rooms are a lot nicer and the best part is the soaking bath tub.

its foreign to a lot of slashtart basement dwellers and 20 somethings who are only out to get drunk and pass out, but when you are in vegas with a member of the opposite sex its very nice to sit together naked in a nice tub for a long relaxing bath before/after a romantic evening

Re:Confirms what a lot of us know already. (1)

Virtucon (127420) | about 2 years ago | (#40452561)

Did you book through Orbitz? I'm a Hotels.com guy myself.

Yes, I agree. and I'm going out on a limb here and saying that you don't sound like the "Diverse" individual when you mentioned your significant other. You should get with the Political Correctness of our age. It's no longer "opposite sex" it's "partner" or "spouse" I thought all Apple users thought that way? ;-)

Re:Confirms what a lot of us know already. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452717)

Vegas.com baby! Seriously, the only place I look for hotels in Las Vegas is vegas.com. They have the same deals as other travel websites, and provide much better filters specifically designed for vegas.

Re:Confirms what a lot of us know already. (2)

tmosley (996283) | about 2 years ago | (#40452415)

Does it make you feel better about yourself to place people into a box based on a single characteristic, and apply numerous negative characteristics to those people?

It feels so good to be superior to someone else, doesn't it? Especially when that superiority comes from being in line with the majority.

Re:Confirms what a lot of us know already. (1)

Virtucon (127420) | about 2 years ago | (#40452523)

Superiority? It's an observation just like what the article is about. Orbitz observed the buying habits and determined to give the customer what they wanted. That's pure capitalism right there.

Everybody's buying habits put them into a box. That box is created by the immense amount of Data Mining that goes on for everything you buy or use. Don't believe me, talk to your credit card companies. That data is sold by the truck load to marketing departments and PR organizations and Political Committees everywhere. There's demographics on everybody and by city, neighborhood and even street.

Let's be honest, does Apple make a better product? No Is it more stylish? Perhaps and they are very successful. So is Dell, HP, ASUS, Samsung, Motorola (Google) and others who make good if not better products. Do the customers flock in droves to get those? No, and that's because those companies haven't
really bought into the total Bling Factor as marketing PR.

It has been this way since Apple was first on the market in the 70s and I saw it in the 80s with everything they made. The people who owned it were mostly novice individuals who liked the fact that they didn't have to be techhies to make things work. That's great, and that's a good thing and why Apple's stock (Which I own a few shares) is skyrocketing.

Re:Confirms what a lot of us know already. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452737)

Ah, Slashdot geek filth and their idiotic, anti-social, pig ignorant stereotypes. Why are you posting this and wasting precious time where you be fapping to rule 34 ponies?

Is anyone really surprised? (4, Insightful)

onyxruby (118189) | about 2 years ago | (#40452251)

Really, is anyone seriously surprised by this? People who value convenience and having someone provide a service for them instead of doing something themselves might hold those same values for other things like paying for hotels. In other words people who are willing to pay 30% more for hardware might be willing to pay 30% more for other things too!!!

Marketers have figured this out. Next big surprise, organic shopping markets are full of Lexus and Mercedes cars? I think this really advanced concept might have been taught in the second week of marketing 101, maybe?

Re:Is anyone really surprised? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452383)

"...organic shopping markets are full of Lexus and Mercedes cars ..."

I was with you up to that point. I would have Toyota Prius's, Smart cars and electric cars.

Re:Is anyone really surprised? (1)

onyxruby (118189) | about 2 years ago | (#40452781)

Good point, I should have added Toyota Prius's and Smart cars. Don't see a lot of electric cars around just yet...

Re:Is anyone really surprised? (1)

tmosley (996283) | about 2 years ago | (#40452459)

They aren't paying 30% more for the hardware, they are paying 30% more for an OS that wasn't cobbled together by retarded monkeys in India.

It's not that Mac is so great, it's just that Microsoft sucks donkey balls, and Linux takes too long to learn. If a company made an OS that had the ease of use, functionality, and security of Mac combined with the versatility of Windows and the price of Linux, you can bet that would come to dominate the world quite quickly. But that is HARD to do.

Re:Is anyone really surprised? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452765)

No - it is software and hardware. Go ahead - buy a laptop worth 70% of the Apple with similar hardware specs and drop each on the floor from successively higher heights and see which one fails first.

Then, go buy a business class laptop worth about the same as the Apple with similar hardware specs, and do the same experiment with the Apple.

See what I'm getting at here? There is much more to "hardware" than the chips that come with stickers to put on the case.

In Other News.. Amazon Sells Stuff! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40452295)

Where's the story here?

Web content is affected by Operating System/Browser? - say it ain't so!
Nothing nefarious here, if I'm looking for a bargain - I sort by Price; if I want a great experience - I sort by rating.

Real headline should have been: MAC Users Suckered by Sort.

Thatâ(TM)s entirely reasonable and the future (1)

Karmashock (2415832) | about 2 years ago | (#40452297)

Thatâ(TM)s entirely reasonable and the future of Web 2.0.

Web 1.0 is you watching the web.

Web 2.0 is the web watching you watch the web.

Itâ(TM)s not all bad. It can work for you. All it takes is a little bit of integrity on the part of the web devs. Bad people will watch you to exploit you. Good people will watch you to help you.

You can never remove the human element.

As to whether people are directed at pricier hotels⦠is that all? Are they they same only more expensive? Are they the same hotels with worse rates?

Itâ(TM)s possible that the system assumes these people are willing to pay for a nicer experience. Thatâ(TM)s not entirely reasonable because windows users are hardly the dirty unwashed rabble of the net. But you do pay a premium for Macs⦠between 20 and 60 percent higher prices for a technically similar system. Is it unfair to conclude that the user might likewise appreciate a nicer room and be willing to pay a premium for it?

That is very web 2.0. And itâ(TM)s good if itâ(TM)s right. When I look to buy something on line isnâ(TM)t it better if the system knows what I actually want and shows me that rather then showing me what other people wanted?

It will get more sophisticated over time. This is what the social network sites and google especially are trying to crack. They want to be able to data mine your email, your search history, your book marks, your reading patterns, your hobbies, your political opinions, your sense of humor⦠everything. Crunch it in some sort of database and output with a high level of reliability products and services you will not only appreciate but will buy because you actually want them.

Imagine if the system knows everything about you. They know where you work. They know how much youâ(TM)re paid. They know who youâ(TM)re in a relationship with. They know what sorts of partners you like. They know what sort of friends you like. They know what sort of food you like.

The dream of the system is that youâ(TM)ll wake up one morning and the system will say âoeweâ(TM)ve noticed that your employer is paying you 10k less a year then a job opening that would be perfect for you in a position youâ(TM)ll find more rewarding. Click yes to send an automatically compiled resume along with an automatically generated list of times youâ(TM)re available to have an interview. The instant you break up with a girl friend you get a text message that says âoeWeâ(TM)re sorry to hear your last relationship didnâ(TM)t work out. X has been matched to your profile and is open for dinner tonight. Press Yes to automatically arrange reservations at a restaurant that you will enjoy and is affordable on your budget.

Etc.

Now making all of that work properly is monstrously complicated, it creeps everyone out because theyâ(TM)re paranoid about people knowing too much about them, and of course bad people not only could but absolutely will use this information to try and exploit you if they get it.

So making all of this work is a challenge. But this is the goal. Again, best practice is to look for win/win scenarios where the company succeeds because they actually did you a favor you actually appreciate. Bad people or lazy people looking for shortcuts will try to avoid all this but over time people are really only going to open up to organizations they trust. The problem with the data mining going on now is that it has to be somewhat secretive because no one trusts the dotcoms to respect their data. And the only real way to change that impression is to be worthy of that trust. They need to take sacred oaths to this effect. Iâ(TM)m not exaggerating. Literally. The same sort anyone in a position of real trust takes one way or another. Just like doctors or spouses. Youâ(TM)re entering into a contract that supersedes the law. Itâ(TM)s hand over heart territory.

First dotcom that takes that sort of oath, means it, and convinces the public one way or the other of their competence and sincerity will have a POSSIBILITY of getting this right.

Till then, Web 2.0 is going to be pretty half assed. Itâ(TM)s the best they can do. Garbage in garbage out.

Paywall? (1)

nashv (1479253) | about 2 years ago | (#40452301)

How do you know if the WSJ article isn't paywalled just for Mac users? Works ok for me.

Fir incredibly cheap deals try (1)

maroberts (15852) | about 2 years ago | (#40452315)

User-Agent: Lynx/2.8.7rel.2 libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1 OpenSSL/1.0.0a

or:

User-Agent: NCSA_Mosaic/3.0 (Windows 95)

Who uses Orbitz? (1)

gstrickler (920733) | about 2 years ago | (#40452367)

And no matter what service you use, why would you not view by price unless you're looking for something so specific that price won't really be an option?

Buy a Mac, be labeled as a Yuppie! (1)

na1led (1030470) | about 2 years ago | (#40452449)

This is why I don't buy fancy cars, or fancy clothes. Everyone judges you buy your looks and what you have, and ready to stiff you when they can!

But ... (3, Funny)

PPH (736903) | about 2 years ago | (#40452451)

... Windows users' rooms are crawling with bugs.

This is a terrible policy (0)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | about 2 years ago | (#40452557)

Mac users have already spent all their disposable cash on their Apple logos.

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