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Google Unveils Nexus 7 Tablet, Nexus Q 'Social Streaming Device'

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the introducing-slash-liveblag dept.

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Through some stroke of fortune, your friendly editor Timothy Lord is at Google I/O watching the keynote. We'll be updating the story live (below the fold) with his updates as they stream in. Starting things off, he reported a few features of Android Jelly Bean. First, graphics will be triple-buffered for extra smoothness; the graphics demo was reportedly impressive enough that the audience swooned. Text input has been improved with new dictionaries and a predictive keyboard that will learn better over time. Additionally, voice typing will now work offline. English will be initially supported, with Farsi, Thai, and Hindi support to follow. Hit the link below to see further updates, including details on the Nexus 7 tablet and the Nexus Q streaming device.

Update: 06/27 17:16 GMT by S : Camera: Toss photos by just flicking them away — actually, you can now do this with apps on the home screen, too. Pinch for a quick sideshow view; it's much faster than one by one, and makes a quick strip-view to slide back and forth. Undo for photo delete -- nice.

Google Beam: More than a million NFC-enabled devices are out now: In Jellybean, send someone a photo or contact info by tapping phones. Works with big files, too.

Notifications: You can expand and collapse them, they are actionable, and you can get a lot more info directly from notifications than in previous versions. Rather than opening an app from notifications (as from a missed call), you can call right from the notification itself. Similarly, you can read mail (that is, Gmail) right from the notification list. Canned responses to messages are also available directly from notifications. You can see full photos, Foursquare check-ins, etc. Notifications expand as they bubble to the top of the list, but you can also make them expand with a two-finger drag gesture.

Google search: Using Knowledge Graph. The graph allows new "card" answers to Google searches — a bit like "I'm feeling lucky," but with more multimedia right there. Search for 'What movies was Angelina Jolie in,' and you get back a headshot and a filmography.

Voice Search: Quick spoken answers to spoken questions. The demo question was: "Show me pictures of pygmy marmosets." Yep, there are the pictures.

"Google now" (lower case n): "Gets you just the right info at just the right time." It uses things like search, location, and calendar history to figure out what info you might need and when. If you looked for a flight, and it's updated, Google will alert you and show you the new one. It keeps track of your favorite sports teams. (The guy next to me says, "that's scary cool.. and kind of creepy.") Call up public transportation or an upcoming flight and you get details like how long each trip will be and where to transfer. I'm surprised it doesn't tell you which side of the street is shadier to walk on. Google knows now when you're traveling, and tells you, among other things, what time it is back home.

Note for developers: Jelly Bean will start to release to open source in mid-July. Devs can grab the Preview SDK from developer.android.com right now.

Android Engineering director Chis Yerga says Google Play is now up to 600,000 apps and 20 billion downloads Thousands of books and movies, as well as millions of songs. You can store 20,000 tracks for free in your music library. Yerga introduced movie sales, not just rentals. They're also adding TV: buy episodes, or whole seasons — 'perfect for when you're on the bus.' To start, their partners include Disney, NBC, Sony Pics, Paramount, and small ones like Magnolia. There will also be magazines: premium ones (Esquire, Wired) and lots of the pedestrian ones, too.

Brief, but important new features: App encryption (big applause from audience), and smart App updates — only the parts of the APK that update need to be transferred.

What everyone was waiting for: Asus-built Nexus 7, brandished from the stage. It's super thin, light and portable, and has a 1280x800 display. Inside: Tegra 3. Quad-core CPU, 12-core GPU. "That's basically 16 cores, which makes everything, including games, incredibly smooth.' It has Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, NFC, a gyro, an accelerometer, and up to 9 hours of video playback. It weighs 340 grams — like a paperback book. Fits nicely in one hand.

Mag reader gets you form-factor optimized version of magazines, with various swipe-activated interactive features. There were chuckles from audience on showing the cover of 'Shape' magazine. A bikini picture as a demo of interactive "Premium reading experience" on Google play, available for certain magazines. I'm surprised that was the choice. It seems like the kind of thing women developers might not appreciate, or at least that I'd anticipate would have been nixed based on that presumption.

Google has also added a "what's this song" widget, which leads you to (of course) the store, where you can buy the identified song.

Apps on N7 + Jellybean: The Nexus 7 is the first device that ships with Chrome as a standard browser! YouTube app provides high-def video optimized for the N7. Google Maps: you've got the usual features (public transit, etc.), but also, "learn about a place before you get there." It has pannable 3D images inside places (where they have the footage, of course: it's not complete magic). They demonstrated panning inside a bar. BUG: "Make available offline" in a tappable menu means you don't need a data connection. Google Currents, news reader, etc., now has Google Translate built right in, transparently: choose a new language and see your news in Arabic, say, or any supported language, just like that. Games: They showed an amazing game demo (Horn) with lens flare, environment effects, and individually rendered leaves. Another game has zombies and lots and lots of blood (Dead Trigger). Not for kids, but great graphics.

The Nexus 7 price: They will launch "starting at" $199, including a $25 credit in the Google Play store, and several things as teases, including a Transformers movie and the Bourne Dominion book. It will be available in the U.S., Australia, Canada, and the UK to start, with more countries coming.

Mysterious: Project Tungsten. It involves Android and Google Play — the first consumer product Google has ever built from ground up: The "Nexus Q." Q is a small (tiny!) Android computer, which "connects to all the media you have stored in the cloud." It's designed to plug into the best speakers and TV in your home, and always be connected to the cloud. It pulls content directly from Google Play, and is controlled by (but not streaming through) your phone / tablet as a remote. It's a small black orb; looks like a little Death Star. It'll use an NFC connection to your phone: "This is how you get your software," he said, as the phone leaned against it for a moment.

It runs on the same chip as the Galaxy Nexus. And 25-watt amp built right in (!?). It has optical digital audio and micro HDMI outs, too. Dual-band Wi-fi, ethernet, NFC, BT, and a port to encourage 'general hackability' (which got big applause). It's an odd-looking little thing — you won't be stacking anything on top of it. OK, I am drooling: there's a multi-colored LED-lit line around the equator (imagine Luke diving in with his tiny X-wing) which lights in patterns based on music.

It's a 'social connected device': multiple people controlling it from their own tablets in the same space results in their songs from different devices getting spread. Anyone can move songs around the queue, or control the listening experience. "Pretty cool, my friends can now play their music in my living room." Neat tech, but not the very newest possibility in the world. Slightly more cumbersome possibility it replaces: carrying one's whole movie library around. Basically, you can take over the TV connected to the Nexus Q, in order to stream stuff. It will cost $299. They're taking pre-orders now, and the device will start shipping in mid-July.

Google+: Tomorrow is the one-year anniversary of G+. They played a cute video of hangouts, showing live video streaming to group. There's a vibrant community of astronomers, knitters, musicians, etc. 250 million G+ users now, with 50pct daily logins. Users tend to spend more than 12 minutes a day in the stream, up from 9 a few months ago (is that an impressive number?) Google+ is now accessed more from mobile than from desktop. They keep getting the same request from users: "Native tablet version?" That's the big G+ announcement today: native G+ for tablets. Photos, text, video, etc. are stylized slightly differently from each other for easy scanning. Hangout experience is an emphasis, too. Swipe to accept and invite, just like a phone call. Automatic video switching to whoever's talking. Looks slick and sweet. Everything is launching on the iPad, too, "very soon." All the new features also now immediately available for phones. Final note: they're introducing a sort of organization around events. "The substance of a real world event is [now] lost online" -- invites are brittle. Announcement: Google Plus Events, for stuff before, during, after. It includes deep integration with Google Calendar.

Before: Invitation, scheduling, organization. You can choose ready-made, cinematic themes. Eh, that looks sort of weak, but then, people sure bought a lot of trapper keepers in the '80s, and Hallmark is a successful business. During: Streaming, involvement, etc. "Everyone's photos get lost," with typical current mix of devices, systems, etc. But you can enable "party mode," which shares all the photos people are taking, if they've turned it on. Also, a current-photos slideshow. This is also controlled from Notifications — a green icon shows if one has turned on Party mode. OK, this is pretty neat — it beats my long-time idea that weddings should all have stations for dumping pictures from SD cards. After: put all those photos in chronological order: all the pics from all the guests who had party mode on, in one stream. Also, analyze photos, for most engagement or plus-ones, and ones in which you're tagged; can also sort by photographer.

Now Sergey is up on stage for a Google Glass demo...

Sergey is talking with his friend JT — they're live-streaming from about a mile ahead and thousands of feet up. They're in a blimp. They're communicating through a Hangout using Google Glass. He's about to jump with the glasses on . He's wearing a wing suit and has a GoPro camera. They're looking right at Moscone Center. And there they go! They're flying through the air, broadcasting the view live. They're aiming for the Moscone. Since I'm inside a big building, this could all be special effects, and I wouldn't know. And now they've landed on the room. Audience applause is hurting my ears.

And they have bikers up there, to speed them along the roof, also with Glasses. The bikers zoomed along the roof, doing flips, all streamed live. They rappelled down the side of the building to get onto the appropriate floor, then biked right up to the stage. Ludicrous. "Special delivery for Sergey." Now the skydivers and other guys have all reached the stage.

More on Glass: Lots of sensors, networking, location awareness, multiple radios for data communications. The project started 2.5 years ago. They showed a photo of Thad Starner wearing a clunkier version from back then. Now it's more like one side of a pair of fat-framed sunglasses. Lead designer Isabel Olsson (Senior Industrial Designer) talks about it: the display is above the eye; designed to be close to your senses, but not block them. The latest prototype weighs less on the nose than many sunglasses. They showed a few demos: playing tennis, first person service. Jumping into a ball pit. They stressed the importance of scaleable design: put all components to one side, so there can be wide frame compatibility. It looks symmetrically (could be be reversed and put on the other side?), but the demos all seem to show it on the right side (from the user's perspective) of the head.

Aspirations / purposes for Glass:
- Communications, documentation: Sometimes for grand or spectacular purpose (skydivers), but also mundane moments among geo-distant friends (the weather in NY or wherever), a baby growing up, etc.
- Search result medium
- Real-time dashboard (how fast are you going on your bike?)
- Interactive communication -- you're at the market and see something odd, or want to ask your spouse about the product you're supposed to pick up.

They showed a heartwarming demo: it looks like an Apple commerical, which may or may not warm the hearts of the people who made it. Sergey talked a bit about why they're showing these particular features. A) They're excited about it, B) These are things they can show us -- there are other uses, but they're tough to demonstrate, and C) they're a small team, with only a limited ability to test them out in different contexts. Sergey also announced Google Glass Explorer Edition. It's a rough-around-the-edges version for developers. Preorders are available for US-based I/O attendees to start. Cost is $1,500, and they plan to ship it to you sometime next year.

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GOOGLE !! GOOGLE !! GOOGLE !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40469265)

Makes bread worth eating !! Hmmmmm, IO !!

Uh oh (5, Funny)

netwarerip (2221204) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469283)

English will be initially supported, with Farsi, Thai, and Hindi support to follow.

That's all well and good, until someone speaks Farsi when trying to buy one of the devices, in which case all hell will break loose.

Re:Uh oh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40470083)

And what about Spanish, Mandarin, or Portuguese? You, know some of the more common languages in the world, instead of fscking Hindi. God damn Indians trying to force their culture on everyone.

Re:Uh oh (2)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470919)

My *guess* (haven't watched video yet, making some big assumptions right here) is that it meant the Latin alphabet, aka the one we're using right now, and which is used by most West European languages including English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, and the all-important Latin.

Latency (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40469291)

"First, graphics will be triple-buffered for extra latency."

There, fixed that for you.

Re:Latency (4, Insightful)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469371)

Yes, 3 frames of latency will the be the doom of all user experience. Why, the latency will sky rocket from .06s (double buffered) to .09s (triple buffered). Oh the humanity!

Re:Latency (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40469723)

30 ms is a big deal. People will notice it, they just won't be able to articulate what feels sluggish. Who is this "smoothness" for? To me it sounds like running a blur filter on your photos to "enhance" them.

Re:Latency (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40469811)

In tactile dragging context, 90ms is getting quite high, and would be perceived as 'give' or 'slack' or damping.
But your numbers are probably high anyway; I'd assume the refresh would be more like 60Hz (ie approx 17ms) otherwise the dragging would be quite jerky.

Re:Latency (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40470057)

So the fact that triple buffering is offered (and sometimes by default activated) in a lot of games (which include some blockbuster games) is complete garbage to you?

I don't get the logic.

Triple buffering is meant to smooth out any sudden framerate jitters, and will look smoother if there's a momentary decrease in actual FPS.

Re:Latency (1)

citizenr (871508) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470845)

Yes, 3 frames of latency will the be the doom of all user experience. Why, the latency will sky rocket from .06s (double buffered) to .09s (triple buffered). Oh the humanity!

thats 90ms on top of "normal" android 100ms latency

Re:Latency (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470997)

Yes, 3 frames of latency will the be the doom of all user experience. Why, the latency will sky rocket from .06s (double buffered) to .09s (triple buffered). Oh the humanity!

If triple-buffered means by extension what double-buffered means in computer graphics, the additional latency will be the time to blit the extra frame from memory to the frame buffer. Way less than .03s.

Re:Latency (4, Funny)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469549)

Let's hope the audience didn't really swoon. The lawsuits for making the graphics _THAT_ good could break Google.

(It's a bit like writing jokes... not a lot of people know that if you make them TOO funny you can end up in court on manslaughter charges)

Re:Latency (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470809)

Two hours and no Monty Python references yet...?

Leaves disappointed.

Re:Latency (3, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470853)

(It's a bit like writing jokes... not a lot of people know that if you make them TOO funny you can end up in court on manslaughter charges)

If we'd just lurn to put in our friend Mr. Apostrophe, manslaughter becomes "man's laughter".

(Props to Mrs. Falbo)

Re:Latency (1)

tabrisnet (722816) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469847)

I was hoping for FIVE blades!

Re:Latency (2)

timothy (36799) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470205)

Well, it is a demo and therefore something well past "suspect," but of course the claim is utter smoothness, and depending on just how rigged the demo is, they at least have the visual aids to support that ... real proof will need something other than on-stage ready-made pitch, though.

timothy

Re:Latency (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40470697)

If you cannot run at full framerate with double buffering you get about the same the same increased latency in addition to stuttering. The second time the same frame is displayed it's not exactly showing current data you know. If you wanted to get tricky you could get even better latency with triple buffering than normally offered by doublebuffering by anticipating the time needed to render a frame and delaying just the right amount of time before handling input etc.

Re:Latency (5, Informative)

tangent3 (449222) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470705)

You obviously have no idea what triple buffering is. There is no extra latency when triple-buffering is used.

In double buffering, one renders to the back buffer while the hardware is displaying the front buffer. When the rendering is done, a buffer swap takes place. However, this does not take place immediately because you will need to wait for the hardware to finish reading the front buffer before it can be made available to be rendered on.

Triple buffering solves this wait by providing a 3rd buffer which can be rendered on while the hardware is displaying the front buffer and the previous frame is in the queue. Now, if your rendering is fast enough and you finish rendering while the hardware is still displaying the front buffer and the queued buffer has not been displayed yet, then the queued buffer will be removed and made available for the next frame. No latency issues here.

Re:Latency (4, Informative)

shadowrat (1069614) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470781)

tripple buffering usually results in more fps rather than less. it's only impact is in memory. if you've got the memory you should be doing it. it doesn't take any longer to get a frame up on the device, but the renderer can start working on buffer 3 before the device is finished switching from 1 to 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_buffering#Triple_buffering [wikipedia.org]

Watch Live Stream here (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40469293)

Thanks Timothy................ or you can just watch the live stream here: https://developers.google.com/events/io/

Re:Watch Live Stream here (1)

darjen (879890) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469323)

unfortunately they block youtube at work. so I will have to be content with the live blog updates.

Re:Watch Live Stream here (5, Insightful)

Patch86 (1465427) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470195)

I've been begging for transcripts for ages. Not all of us have the time or ability to watch long video streams all day.

Genuinely- thanks Timothy!

Jellybean looks very nice (-1, Troll)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469305)

and i might buy a device when they ship sometime in 2015

the features are nice but until there are real smart phones shipping with it, its vaporware. last year ICS was the android savior and last i read less than 10% of android devices are running it

Re:Jellybean looks very nice (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40469395)

Yes, but the 10% are the ones shipping now. I think every carrier has at least one ICS phone if you want one. The 90% of devices are people like me with my two-year-plus year old Nexus One running Gingerbread. (It still works, so why spend $400 on a new handset?)

Re:Jellybean looks very nice (4, Interesting)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469433)

and at the same time almost 90% of ALL IOS DEVICES are on the latest major version

all the features are cool but won't be seen until there are 4.1 devices in the hands of users. lots of users. don't count on seeing most of these features for a few years until 4.1 devices are the majority of the installed base

Re:Jellybean looks very nice (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40469471)

The new features don't, by and large, seem to require developers to change their apps to support them, though. So if I have a 4.1 device, what do I care if I'm the 1%? I got mine.

Re:Jellybean looks very nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40469555)

For direct user features, woo cool awesome! For features that require apps to take advantage of, forget it. As an android dev I'm still targeting 2.2. Anything in the 3.0 or 4.0 api, forget it. I want my app to work on at least 80% of devices on the market, and that means targeting 2.2 If I targeted 3.0 that would be about HALF the devices on the market. From a dev standpoint I dont really give a flying if they are on 4.1, 4.2 or 8.0.

Yea, many android devices for sale now are 4.0, but not all of them, some devices are selling with 2.3.x The only time my device had the latest version was when I bought it, 3 months later it was an old version and never since has it been up to date.

Re:Jellybean looks very nice (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40469649)

You can do lazy loading to use 4.0 features and still gracefully degrade on 2.3/2.2 phones, but it's often more work than it's worth.

Re:Jellybean looks very nice (4, Insightful)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469561)

That's kind of a lie. IOS has some features that are only availible with some phones. Ie Siri on 4s only. The problem is only going to get worse with IOS 6 .

Re:Jellybean looks very nice (2, Informative)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469775)

Yeah especially when its completely artificial. I put iOS 6 on my ipad 2, sorry no Siri for you even though its almost the same exact hardware as the 4S.

Re:Jellybean looks very nice (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470139)

all the features are cool but won't be seen until there are 4.1 devices in the hands of users. lots of users. don't count on seeing most of these features for a few years until 4.1 devices are the majority of the installed base

While there are probably a bunch of new developer-facing features for which that would be true, the features announced in the keynote were almost entirely basic UI features or bundled-apps features, which will be "seen" by each user as soon as they get a Jellybean device, regardless of how many other people are using Jellybean or what third-party app devs do.

Re:Jellybean looks very nice (2)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469399)

The tablet should be ready to go. Asus was going ot release it months ago as their own until google decided it would make a great vehicle for them.

Re:Jellybean looks very nice (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469753)

and i might buy a device when they ship sometime in 2015

The first Jellybean device, the Nexus 7 tablet, is shipping mid-July. So your estimate of how long it will take devices to ship is on the order of 2^6 times too long.

the features are nice but until there are real smart phones shipping with it, its vaporware.

Yeah, a mobile operating system that is only supported by tablets doesn't really exist.

Also, there are indications that the already-available Galaxy Nexus will be getting Jellybean directly.

Re:Jellybean looks very nice (1)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469901)

ok, by the end of the year 1% of the android installed base will have 4.1. i'm sure developers will be madly rushing to develop apps for the new features. meanwhile in iOS land something like 50% of users will be on iOS 6 by the end of this year if you go by the past upgrade curves.

and there will be apps in the app store to take advantage of the new API's. lots of them. even before iOS 6 is released to the public the big developers will already have compiled their apps for the new OS and released them in time for the OS release

Re:Jellybean looks very nice (5, Informative)

jdgeorge (18767) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470127)

The more significant argument for developing on iOS is that Apple users spend more money on apps.

Regarding the comments about Android's painfully slow (or nonexistent) upgrade schedule for existing devices, Google is obviously trying to address this problem by making it easier for hardware manufacturers to port new Android versions for their platform using the new PDK.

However, I suspect that the Android hardware manufacturers are torn about upgrading. Their current model (except for the Nexus series) is that people have to buy a new device in order to get a new Android version. As a consumer, it sucks. As a manufacturer, it's a dangerous, game, as it tempts people to abandon Android for Apple, where new OS versions are rolled out (pretty much) across all the hardware.

Re:Jellybean looks very nice (0)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470663)

Nexus 7 is shipping now. It's the Q that's shipping in July (together with the Jellybean updates for existing Google supported devices.)

Re:Jellybean looks very nice (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470799)

Ignore the parent, I read a liveblog thing that said the Nexus 7 was out today, but play.google.com puts it at 2-3 weeks, same as the grandparent said.

Sorry.

And my phone was never supported... (1, Offtopic)

thittesd0375 (1111917) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469363)

6 month old phone that still hasn't gotten past 2.3. Wake me when this is news.

Re:And my phone was never supported... (2)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469921)

I think I can safely say that the version on your phone and your satisfaction with it will never be news.

XDA Developers (5, Informative)

Picass0 (147474) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470169)

Don't complain. Do something about it. Root it and install Ice Cream Sandwich. Go to youtube and search for instructions on rooting your phone. QBKing77 does a ton of videos that walk you through doing it. Look up a rooting video FOR YOUR DEVICE.

If you've never done it before (I assume) you will need Odin for windows and the appropriate rooted kernel. Once you have installed a rooted kernel you can reboot into clockworkmod recovery and begin installing ROM images for your device.

I'm no guru, but I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 (Sprint's Epic Touch variant). I'm running an Ice Cream Sandwich based ROM called Blu Kuban. Great stuff. I can block ads in free software. I can overclock my CPU. I installed Beats Audio to optimize my sound playback. You'll even be able to flash more recent modem firmware to give you improved signal strength for improved connections. Change your user interface, themes, even boot animations.

Or you can wait for your provider to push ICS and you might get it around the same time everyone else is upgrading to Jelly Bean.

Your source for getting the most from your phone:
http://www.xda-developers.com/ [xda-developers.com]

Re:XDA Developers (1, Informative)

thittesd0375 (1111917) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470413)

Phones, like the Electrify, come with warranties. Companies that provide a phone for you generally like you to keep their devices under warranty. When Google decides that market fragmentation is too great of an issue and starts making its own devices that are always upgradable to the current version upon release then Android will become a real OS. Until then, those of us that can't void our warranties are stuck with whatever support USCC decides to give us.

Re:XDA Developers (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40470459)

When you try and get your phone replaced under warranty when something goes wrong, the company will screw you over anyway. Even if they don't try and tell you something like "well, ambient humidity triggered the moisture sensor so we're going to pretend you chucked your phone in a lake and not help you", they'll give you someone else's refurbished warranty return and it'll break after three weeks and you'll be in Warranty Hell where you send back the replacement to get a new refurb, at your expense, over and over again.

Void that warranty. Void it with gusto. Void it in the first week of owning your phone and don't look back.

Re:XDA Developers (4, Insightful)

Picass0 (147474) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470673)

>> "Void that warranty. Void it with gusto. Void it in the first week of owning your phone and don't look back."

Amen.

Re:XDA Developers (4, Informative)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470419)

Fine if you don't mind potentially bricking your device. I almost bricked my device because my service provider calls my phone the LG Optimus 2X, even though it's an LG Optimus G2X. They are visually indistinguishable. After trying to install ClockWorkMod and selecting the wrong phone model, my phone wouldn't boot. I had to download the LG flashing tool and an LG Gingerbread file for TMobile to allow me to get a usable OS back on the thing. The only way to root 2.3 on my phone is to overwrite the LG Recovery mode using NVFlash with ClockworkMod Recovery. There's not way I'm overwriting that, because if something goes wrong with that, then I've completely bricked the phone. I'll probably do it in a couple years when I'm due for a new phone anyway, but this isn't something I'd risk on a new phone.

Re:XDA Developers (4, Informative)

Picass0 (147474) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470805)

Doing anything for the first time is scary.

This is XDA's forum for your phone:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1114 [xda-developers.com]

Here's a page of how to root your model:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1594650 [xda-developers.com]

Here's a youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUT5JcnJHgk [youtube.com]

Go boldly.

Re:XDA Developers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40470659)

Don't complain. Do something about it. Root it and install Ice Cream Sandwich. Go to youtube and search for instructions on rooting your phone. QBKing77 does a ton of videos that walk you through doing it. Look up a rooting video FOR YOUR DEVICE.

If you've never done it before (I assume) you will need Odin for windows and the appropriate rooted kernel. Once you have installed a rooted kernel you can reboot into clockworkmod recovery and begin installing ROM images for your device.

I'm no guru, but I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 (Sprint's Epic Touch variant). I'm running an Ice Cream Sandwich based ROM called Blu Kuban. Great stuff. I can block ads in free software. I can overclock my CPU. I installed Beats Audio to optimize my sound playback. You'll even be able to flash more recent modem firmware to give you improved signal strength for improved connections. Change your user interface, themes, even boot animations.

Or you can wait for your provider to push ICS and you might get it around the same time everyone else is upgrading to Jelly Bean.

Your source for getting the most from your phone: http://www.xda-developers.com/ [xda-developers.com]

Clearly, this puts Android upgrading on par with Apple upgrading... something well within reach of the average consumer.

Re:And my phone was never supported... (5, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470431)

Did you buy a Nexus device?

If not, why were you expecting anything else?

So it's true ...... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40469375)

Somebody is actually paying Timothy for his contributions to the site - and looking after his expenses. When Taco was getting free trips to shuttle launches, hey it's his blog, what the hell? But Timothy? Mr "I can't edit because my command of the English language is somewhat lacking" Lord?

Sack the paid editors, get some volunteer editors in to replace them (open source - remember that?) - and spend the savings on hot grits. Just in case.

So how do I poison image search results? (0)

ibsteve2u (1184603) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469597)

...to make sure that "Show me pictures of idiots" has the right results?

both android and iOS seem to be mature (3, Insightful)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469713)

the impression i get is that both are mature with slightly different feature sets and themes. apple lets their developers finish up on the feature set while google likes to tie most features into their backend and let the hardware partners sell the devices.

very little true cool new features in both updates

at this point i'm looking to dump AT&T and go pre-paid. I don't even care if i keep a phone for three years instead of 2. even the hardware innovation seems to have flattened out as well. slightly faster CPU, better GPU, better camera. yawn

Re:both android and iOS seem to be mature (1)

darjen (879890) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469987)

That is exactly what I have done. I have a droid 2 which I flashed onto a pre-pay service with a regional verizon reseller. I pay $12 a month for all the voice minutes I will ever need and 10mb of data. I mostly just keep 3g disabled and use the smartphone features when I am near wifi.

My wife does have an ATT iPhone which I activated on a gophone sim. so that is also an option.

Re:both android and iOS seem to be mature (1)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470027)

i'm looking at straight talk myself. $35 a month unlimited everything for an iphone if you pre pay $495 for a year of service. even with the cost of the phone its like $1000 a year saved. i'll eat my ETF too and not worry about it. my wife will probably keep her iphone 4 and not care. i have a 4S and it does what i need it to do.

might go virgin mobile. they are $30 a month but you have to buy their special iphone. out in the midwest cricket is going to start selling the iphone for $500 and $55 a month

Re:both android and iOS seem to be mature (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40470291)

Straight Talk's "unlimited" data is limited to 2GB per month, at which point they cancel your account and don't let you transfer your phone number.

I'm looking for a nice prepaid bring-your-own-phone plan too, but the best I can find is T-mo's FlexPay, and their coverage area is not great.

Re:both android and iOS seem to be mature (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40470477)

i'm looking at straight talk myself. $35 a month unlimited everything for an iphone if you pre pay $495 for a year of service.

$495/12 months = $41.25, not $35.

Triple buffered? (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469731)

I don't know, for some reason, that sounds to me like the start of the graphics buffering equivalent of the "blades per razor" war.

So iOS 6.0 will all of a sudden add quad-buffered graphics for extra-extra smoothness, which means that Google will have to answer with "fuck it, Android Killer chocolate cake uses five buffers!"

But seriously, does triple-buffering really offer much over traditional double-buffering? I guess it might help if the process doing the animation gets swapped out, so there's an additional frame to fall back on?

Re:Triple buffered? (5, Informative)

Thagg (9904) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469885)

There are two cases where triple buffering makes sense:

1) If it takes a substantial amount of time to clear the image. Recall that in double buffering, you are displaying one image while drawing another. When drawing the image, the first thing that is often done is clearing the image to a background color (and depth). On some devices, this took a substantial amount of the frame-time, and adding more memory was cheaper than making the "clear" faster.

2) If it takes more than one, but less than two frame times to draw the image, you can have interleaved pipelines. You are viewing framebuffer 0, mostly completed drawing the image in framebuffer 1, and just starting drawing (with a different set of hardware) into framebuffer 2. When you are done drawing, display framebuffer 1, clear framebuffer 0 and begin drawing, and finish drawing framebuffer 2. Note that this kind of triple-buffering decouples update from latency -- you can get very smooth playback at, say, 120 Hz, but the latency is still 1/60th of a second a best.

Both of these were done when I worked at Silicon Graphics in the early 90's, on machines several orders of magnitude larger than the nexus 7.

Re:Triple buffered? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40469909)

a) Triple buffering has been around since forever and b) No, because there's a latency trade-off.

Re:Triple buffered? (3, Insightful)

mark-t (151149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470021)

In theory, there should be no more latency than there is with double buffering... you are still only ever drawing the frame that is one frame ahead of what you see at any given instant, just like double buffering. The third buffer is used to clear the drawing area and simply prepare it for being drawn on so that the logic that incorporates drawing offscreen does not need to deal with that, and could therefore potentially execute faster.

Re:Triple buffered? (2)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470103)

But seriously, does triple-buffering really offer much over traditional double-buffering?

Uh, yes.

With double-buffering and sync to vblank, your frame rate is an integer divisor of the display frame rate. If your screen displays 60fps but your device can only render 59fps, then you'll actually see 30fps and the device will be idling nearly half the time waiting for vblank so it can switch to the other buffer.

With triple-buffering, if you can render 59fps you can display 59fps. The downside is that it can cause a small increase in latency.

Re:Triple buffered? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40471027)

It's for more consistent frame rate with vertical sync turned on.

WHY are events like these not streamed?!!!! (-1, Troll)

Danathar (267989) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469807)

The tickets sold out in under 30 minutes. I seriously doubt that if it was live video streamed the seats would be empty. Same for Apple events.

Stop the video blackout of these events!

Re:WHY are events like these not streamed?!!!! (4, Informative)

Gribflex (177733) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469971)

It is streamed: https://developers.google.com/events/io/ [google.com]
Most of the talks will be available on YouTube following the event as well.

Who cares about the keynote! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40469851)

Fork this over: http://socialtimes.com/files/2012/04/google-glass-300x289.jpg

WANT! NOW! And i take two pairs of the glasses too....

$299 for the TV hook up???? (4, Insightful)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469925)

Why in the fuck is the Q so expensive? No way that thing will sell against Roku, AppleTV, the consoles (this gen and next) etc.

Re:$299 for the TV hook up???? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40469957)

Yeah, that thing's dead in the water at that price.

The tablet sure looks like a good deal though.

Re:$299 for the TV hook up???? (1)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470133)

if google can sell the nexus 7 at $199, amazon will have a new similar fire in a month at the same price and all the features of Amazon Prime as well. i'll take the Kindle

Re:$299 for the TV hook up???? (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470225)

if google can sell the nexus 7 at $199, amazon will have a new similar fire in a month at the same price and all the features of Amazon Prime as well.

But none of the features of the Google first-party apps that are bundled with branded Android (as opposed to the Android Open Source Project), which is what most of the features highlighted in the keynote were.

Re:$299 for the TV hook up???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40470253)

I don't have Prime. I do have content I've purchased at Google Play and at Amazon Kindle. So I'm gonna buy the Nexus 7 and then install the Kindle app. I can't buy the Kindle Fire 2 and install Google Play Store, at least without hacking up the device, which I prefer not to have to do.

Re:$299 for the TV hook up???? (2)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470265)

I dunno. I'm a fan of the Kindle Fire, and perhaps Amazon can add the hardware features in that month (I say that because I'd be surprised if they don't already have designs like that in prototype already), but they'd have issues upgrading their version of Android to be on par with Jellybean in that space of time.

Still, I hope they do. I think the KF was the best thing to happen to the tablet form factor. It was (and still is) the right price and right size. It focused on a specific use case, and does an excellent job with that use case. If Amazon can leapfrog Google the way Google leapfrogged them today, and the way Amazon leapfrogged them with the original KF, I think it's all going to be awesome.

Re:$299 for the TV hook up???? (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469993)

Hell, there's a Vizio Co-Star that even supports DLNA streaming unlike any other Google TV Box I'm aware of... and it's $99. It also has On-Live capability, but I couldn't care less about that.

Re:$299 for the TV hook up???? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40470261)

Because it includes a (claimed high quality) speaker amp *built in*. All those devices you listed require an extra box of some sort (be it a TV, receiver, etc...) whereas the Nexus Q you can connect speakers to it directly. Good amps aren't cheap. Also looks like it is made of metal instead of plastic.

Hopefully they will make a (much) cheaper version *without* the amp, though.

Re:$299 for the TV hook up???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40470543)

The people who care already own an AV receiver & speakers, everyone else just uses their television speakers. Just a bizarre product design.

Re:$299 for the TV hook up???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40470943)

"Class D" audio power amps are cheap these days.

Re:$299 for the TV hook up???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40470455)

Proud made in America !! not like they they took our jobs --southpark--

Re:$299 for the TV hook up???? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40470593)

Manufactured in the United States

Re:$299 for the TV hook up???? (2, Interesting)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470721)

For $299 I can buy both an entry level Xbox 360 and an Apple TV. This Q is a disaster.

Re:$299 for the TV hook up???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40470907)

I like the built in audio power amps. I hope that catches on w/ Roku, et al.

Re:$299 for the TV hook up???? (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 2 years ago | (#40471013)

Why in the fuck is the Q so expensive? No way that thing will sell against Roku, AppleTV, the consoles (this gen and next) etc.

Look at it Dennis! It's a perfect sphere!

um (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40469943)

this is agonizing

Tungsten (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#40469945)

Every time I see that name I think of the Palm Tungsten... could have picked a different element. I don't think anyone has done anything meaninful with Yttrium lately.

Re:Tungsten (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40470987)

Tungsten is just weird enough nobody (well, nobody normal -- TIG welders are special) has a chunk of it, or quite knows what W feels like, but it's a nice word that anyone can spell and pronounce easily (like DuPont products). Additionally, it sounds like its own word, rather than thisium or thatium. The handful of -um elements could work (I'm particularly thinking Tantalum), but -ium is just too conspicuous for good branding.

Yttrium is a recipe for people not buying it because it sounds contrived, and because they're afraid to sound stupid mispronouncing it.

How about fixing some of the glaring omissions? (3, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470035)

Like supporting multiple user accounts on a single tablet?

Re:How about fixing some of the glaring omissions? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470493)

They do. I have two accounts on a nook running CM7.2.

What issues are you facing exactly?

Re:How about fixing some of the glaring omissions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40470967)

There are talking about multiple users\profiles like Windows or Linux has. So one person can login and get there apps, data, message, etc, and another person can login and get their apps data, message, etc.

Re:How about fixing some of the glaring omissions? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40470893)

With the Google 7 at $199, buy another tablet.

Confusion (2)

Hnice (60994) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470197)

"It's designed to plug into the best speakers and TV in your home"

See, this is the problem right here: why on earth would I keep the best speakers in my home anywhere *near* my tv? Watching TV and listening to music are completely different activities. They don't even use the same chair.

I don't need to stream *everything* to one place, I need to stream *different* things to *different* places, and I'll gladly pay $250, but not $250 per room if I'm only going to use some of the functionality.

But (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40470285)

Will it blend?

That's what a Nexus-7 looks like? (0)

i41Overlord (829913) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470339)

I prefer the Nexus 7's that look like Pris. But I guess we'll have to wait for the basic pleasure model.

Nexus 7 not all you want... (3, Insightful)

amcdiarmid (856796) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470361)

It does not include an external storage device as far as I can tell. Yes I, and some others, do travel to places without cloud access. OK: I want to buy hours of video to keep my kids quiet on a road trip. My cell phone service is lacking where I'm going. 16GB is not going to cut it. I need removable media...

Re:Nexus 7 not all you want... (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470507)

It does not include an external storage device as far as I can tell.

It doesn't include a card reader, if that's what you mean.

Yes I, and some others, do travel to places without cloud access. OK: I want to buy hours of video to keep my kids quiet on a road trip.

Portable DVD players are much cheaper than tablets for this task.

Re:Nexus 7 not all you want... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470675)

Portable DVD players are also far worse for this.
You have to carry the DVDs, the kids will scratch them. You really can't take them out of the car, they don't offer games, on and on.

Portable DVD players are cheap and that is the only thing they have going for them.

Re:Nexus 7 not all you want... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470577)

How is 16GB not going to cut it? Do you drive for more than 8 hours at a time?

If not, bring laptop, move videos over each night.

Re:Nexus 7 not all you want... (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40471023)

What I didn't see anywhere is, does it have a micro-USB socket (I assume yes, to connect it to PC); and if so, does that support USB OTG? A lot of Android devices do that these days, and it effectively lets you use any USB stick as external storage - just perfect for those hours of video and such.

Where is Angel Summoner? (3, Funny)

Sporkinum (655143) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470379)

BMX Bandit did his part!
"And they have bikers up there, to speed them along the roof, also with Glasses. The bikers zoomed along the roof, doing flips, all streamed live. They rappelled down the side of the building to get onto the appropriate floor, then biked right up to the stage. Ludicrous. "Special delivery for Sergey.""

The glass demo was amazing (2, Interesting)

Flipao (903929) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470589)

I see huge barriers towards the mass adoption of a device like that, but you have to apreciate them having the balls to pull off that stunt, genuinely glad I got to see it live.

As far as Android goes it's about time they put the time and effort to make the UI fast and smooth, I'm amazed it's taken them so long to realize how much a laggy UI can hurt the user experience.

Re:The glass demo was amazing (2)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470971)

I see huge barriers towards the mass adoption of a device like that, but you have to apreciate them having the balls to pull off that stunt, genuinely glad I got to see it live.

I'm genuinely curious - is there any independent video from outside the building? Something that shows the whole thing was indeed shot live, and happened as described (e.g. not someone else doing the skydiving)?

16 cores? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40470671)

"That's basically 16 cores, which makes everything, including games, incredibly smooth.'

No, it's not. A quad core cpu + a GPU is NOT 16 cores. Who is this guy, some clueless sales person?

--
Sundar Pichai is the utter asshole whose incompetence has resulted in the shutdown of Google's Atlanta office.

Amusing (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470915)

I find it amusing that the Nexus Q (you know, the incomplete device that requires hookup to another device to be of any value) costs more than the Nexus 7 (you know, the complete device that doesn't require anything else). Methinks one of these devices is going to do quite well in the market and the other will do less well...

price and hardware (1)

dukeofurl01 (236461) | more than 2 years ago | (#40470969)

The real appeal of the Kindle Fire and the Nook are their inexpensiveness and availability without a contract.

The hardware is the only thing that counts, the operating system is irrelevant since it would be wiped out with a Cyanogen mod.

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