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Sale of Galaxy Nexus Banned in the US

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the courts-give-up-and-ban-everything dept.

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New submitter busyqth writes "After the injunction against the Galaxy Tab 10.1 earlier in the week, A U.S. district court judge has now also granted an injunction against the sale of Google's flagship ICS phone, the Galaxy Nexus. Is Steve Jobs laughing in the great beyond? Is this the beginning of the end for Android?" Two blows to Samsung in one week, and now the FTC is investigating Google for misuse of Motorola Mobility patents in relation to RAND standards.

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Well they are both rectangular (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503177)

And I once walked into a store and banged down hundreds of dollars for an iPad only to find once I got it home it was a Samsung Galaxy tablet. Perhaps the words on the box, the different software, the different colour, the different interface should have tipped me off, but heck, they were both RECTANGULAR with a BUTTON.

So judge Koh is protecting poor people like me, who desperately want an iPad but accidentally buy a competitor that out powers it, out functions it, comes in a wider range of varieties and is developing faster than it.

Incredible to think a single person can do so much good for the world and all without any bribe money!

Re:Well they are both rectangular (5, Funny)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503315)

Pah! Just wait until Apple catches wind that I own the patent for rectangular boxes!

Re:Well they are both rectangular (5, Insightful)

SomePgmr (2021234) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503431)

Apparently the decision was based on, "Apple's claim to the patent to search multiple sources, which Apple says is the basis of Siri. [...] Judge Koh said 'Apple has articulated a plausible theory of irreparable harm [because] of long-term loss of market share and losses of downstream sales."

On the surface of it, it sounds awfully stupid to me. If I'm remembering correctly, "searching multiple sources" by voice query existed in Android devices first, no?

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/06/breaking-judge-grants-apple-an-injunction-against-the-galaxy-nexus/ [arstechnica.com]

Re:Well they are both rectangular (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503323)

Jon "Maddog" Hall comes out [linux-magazine.com] .

The first of what is sure to be a deluge of Free Software comings-out. Tight butts, hard dicks, and splashing cum.

Re:Well they are both rectangular (1)

mcneely.mike (927221) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503549)

Tight butts, hard dicks, and splashing cum.

Kind a sounds like you can't wait!?!?!?!!!!!!!!

Re:Well they are both rectangular (4, Informative)

MrDoh! (71235) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503339)

Think this is the closest Apple's come yet to going after core Google. It's the search patent that appears to have snagged them. If they get this, they get every android phone currently out there and serve a continual warning to every potential Android licensee that if they even think of entering the Phone Market, they WILL be sued out of existence. Don't think even MS back in the day was ever as obviously aggressive as this.

For something that I've always suspected started as a way to negotiate cheaper component prices out of Samsung, Apple's really stirred up a poo storm.

Samsung? Contacts be damned, now's the time to stop shipping anything to your competitor who only wants to see you destroyed the second they can replace you.
Apple started the nerf bat swinging, never know who it'll take out in the end.

Re:Well they are both rectangular (5, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503461)

Crap like this is why I've been saying for awhile people need to quit worrying about MSFT, which under Ballmer the only real skills they seem to have anymore is blowing money and shooting themselves in the face, and start worrying about Apple.

Just remember folks that Jobs before he died said he would happily spend his fortune to "Nuke Android" and I wouldn't be surprised if Cook hasn't forgotten those words. I'm sure he knows with Ballmer at the helm MSFT isn't a threat, as Zune and Kin and WinPhone 7 made quite clear, but high end Android devices with faster refreshes and newer and more powerful hardware IS very much a threat. I have a feeling its gonna get a whole lot nastier and I agree, if I was Samsung I wouldn't sell them so much as a screw.

Re:Well they are both rectangular (-1, Troll)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503389)

You do realize that as a Slashdot reader, you are not "the norm" when it comes to technology. You know that only Apple makes the iPad and thus Samsung does not sell an iPad.

Can you say with honesty and certainty that your mom or your dear aunt Mildred or your sister know that as well? Is it possible that the average consumer might, just might, walk into a store hoping to buy " that iPad thing", see a device that looks remarkably like the device they see in the commercials and what their friends have, and ask the clerk for it and plop down their money and head home with, what turns out to be a Samsung Galaxy because virtually everything about the product, including the packaging, is designed to look like the iPad and they, unlike you and I, don't know that Samsung doesn't make an iPad? Is that a possibility?

Judge Koh isn't protecting poor people like you - she's protecting poor people like your mom, your dear aunt Mildred, and your sister, who don't know technology as well as you do and don't know that there's a difference between the two devices that look identical.

Re:Well they are both rectangular (4, Insightful)

styrotech (136124) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503499)

Well the flipside of that argument could be: if they don't know enough about the iPad to tell the difference, how do they/we really know they wanted an "iPad" instead of "a tablet" anyway?

They could just be using iPad as the only name they know of for a new fangled flat computer. And even then - if "iPad" is the only name they know of to ask for in the store or the only name to look for on the box, why weren't they sold one?

If similar looks are really such an issue, wouldn't these people who just grab something in the store (without asking for an iPad or looking for "iPad" on the box) be in danger of accidentally walking out with an electronic picture frame or something? Should the judge get involved there too?

This is all moot though - from the sound of things it was Siri search patents rather than looks that are behind the injunction.

Re:Well they are both rectangular (5, Funny)

JustOK (667959) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503521)

Ford sues GM cuz "their's looks like a box with wheels and it goes vrooom vrooom, just like ours. It cornfuses people, make 'em stop."

Re:Well they are both rectangular (5, Interesting)

SternisheFan (2529412) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503505)

Did'ja ever notice how when a bully is confronted with the truth, they get louder. They start to attempt to intimidate by any means at their disposal. When confronted with facts, they get confused, and don't know what to do as their audience catches on and begins to drift away. That's when they become more desperate and turn to larger bullying tactics. Then the bullied either stands their ground or meekly lets the bully win. There are times when the best course of action for the bullied is to walk away, and hopefully live to fight another day. IMHO, for this is not one. Apple has been losing their ardent followers for some time now. People have seen android as a very viable alternative, and are switching over. Apple knows this, or they wouldn't be resorting to these bully tactics. I root for the underdog in life, and love it when the bullies lose.

ICS no more (0)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503191)

Actually, as of a day or so ago, that would be Google's flagship Jelly Bean phone.

Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (5, Interesting)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503193)

Slide to unlock? Unified search bar?

I wonder, do the engineers and techs working at Apple feel ashamed all this trolling?

I know it's management and legal who make the decisions, but still...

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503237)

Take a look at both the outer design and software of Samsung's phones before and after the iPhone and say with a straight face that Samsung didn't copy at least some elements from Apple.

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/09/29/apple-samsung-copycat-2/

While I doubt the employees enjoy everything Apple does, somehow I think they are more concerned about Samsung ripping them off and feigning innocence. Its just like the idiots arguing about Google and Android before the iPhone came out. Yes, google was working on Android long before the iPhone was released. No, it didn't look anything alike until the iPhone was released, and Google had a "Oh, shit..." moment.

Some of Apple's devices sure do look similar to that Samsung picture frame that was circulated around though:

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2011/08/23/samsungs-digital-picture-frame-was-no-ipad/

But that doesn't explain why their UI, external design, and OS suddenly became indistinguishable. Apple had reason to get real pissed. AC because Ill get modded into oblivion by the "Apple is bad, they use patents and not enough open source" crowd that Slashdot has become, but its the truth.

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503271)

Indistinguishable? Are you serious?
There s some similarity, they share quite some design contexts, but... indistinguishable? By all means... nah.

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (5, Insightful)

khipu (2511498) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503301)

Take a look at both the outer design and software of Samsung's phones before and after the iPhone and say with a straight face that Samsung didn't copy at least some elements from Apple.

Who cares? It's fine to copy elements from other devices. It's fine to make look-alike and work-alike devices of other successful devices. That's how progress is made in high tech.

And Apple itself copied most of the iPhone design elements, and much of its functionality from other companies, including key features like desktop sync, MP3 sync, app stores, launchers, and many more. If such copying weren't allowed, there would be no iPhone.

What makes Apple's behavior so wrong and destructive is that they copy liberally from others and then turn around and try to monopolize the market with bad patents.

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503357)

How many iPad look-alike, work-alike were there before the iPad? How many - after? Exactly!

Samsung used to have nice phones that had rather distinctive look and feel. And I don't believe Samsung was in the tablet market. After iPhone and iPad came out - suddenly pretty much all Samsung devices started to look-alike and feel-alike - down to power supply units, packaging and even icons used (including the ones used to design Samsung stores).

You can hate Apple all you like - this doesn't change the fact that instead of innovating, Samsung's design department turned into a copycat department.

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (5, Informative)

MrDoh! (71235) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503385)

JooJoo Tablet came out before the iPad was even announced I believe. I keep hearing 'well, there wasn't anything like the iPad before the iPad came out' but there were devices that worked like it (though cheap and bad Chinese Android tablets), and tablets that /looked/ like the iPad (JooJoo tablet).

Samsung had similar designs in other places, I don't think it's a stretch of imagination to use those same designs in your own products, that someone else just happens to have also used. Though even then, hold a Samsung Android Tablet and an Apple tablet, and the difference is obvious.

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503481)

No. The iPad has been developed since 2003. Before the iPhone. It was shelved for a couple of years to market the iPhone first.

The JooJoo tablet was developed cause the hype and rumours about an Apple tablet where sky high in 2009/2010 and it was more than obvious that the yet to be named Apple tablet would be released.
And to compare a JooJoo with even the iPad 1 is like comparing a Tin Lizzy with a McLaren MP12-4C. It's ridiculous.
The JooJoo was cobbled together with spare parts and almost no effort regarding software polishing. It was completly rubbish.

Android tablets have been released a lot later.

And don't forget the Newton.

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (4, Insightful)

mellon (7048) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503531)

So what? That's how technology goes: good design costs, so you start with good enough, and iterate to good. It's worth noting that the OpenMoko phone, ab open source phone, also very similar to the iPhone, was under development and probably would have come out before the iPhone if they'd had more money. Trade secret protection is not a defense against independent development, and rumors don't change that.

The fact is that the market was primed for devices like the iPhone and iPad when they came out. The parts had gotten cheap enough. The iPhone is a great product, and the iPad is a great product, but neither product was a surprise, and neither product gives Apple the rights to a monopoly on that form factor.

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (3, Insightful)

Antarius (542615) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503407)

That's not an uncommon tactic with Korean manufacturers, however.

I once worked on some high-quality, German engineered washing machines. It was discovered that, rather than spend hundreds of thousands on R&D, LG Electronics bought one of these units, disassembled it and copied it feature-for-feature albeit with minor design modifications.

The result? A washer that boasted the same features, yet "walked" across the floor during the spin cycle.

There were no legal breaches by LG in cleanrooming like that. I guess Samsung just pushed the envelope a bit far in the aesthetics department.

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (4, Insightful)

Artefacto (1207766) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503333)

Whether their they look similar or whether Samsung copied Apple's design ideas is completely irrelevant. There's no general protection against "copying ideas".

It's well established that "look and feel" are not protected by copyright (see Apple vs. Microsoft), so they've turned instead to these doubtful patents to stifle competition. Even if these trivial patents are in fact valid (and having one held invalid takes years and millions of dollars and relatively onerous standards of evidence), they're arguably an abuse of the system originally designed to protect other sorts of inventions.

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503335)

I dunno. I think the closest thing to a ripoff there is the power brick. And while a slim connector seems like a practical decision for a slim tablet, I'd maybe give 'em that one.

A white box with a picture of the product that's inside doesn't seem like a knock-off idea to me.

Putting the actual product inside that box doesn't seem like a knock-off idea. That's what you're supposed to do.

A black, rectangular shape for a tablet doesn't seem like a knock-off idea. In fact, I doubt Apple was first to do that.

And some background imagery some designer copy/pasta'd for a booth for some convention doesn't have anything to do with the tablet.

All that aside, that's for the Tab, not the nexus. Though my s2 has that same apple-style dc adapter.

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503343)

if you take it like that, then samsung(and some others) copied design elements from apple before apple published them..

it's fucking ridiculous.

anyways the linked article sucks, as it doesn't provide information on which patents were infringing on the nexus.

USA is well on it's way to being a technology can't-have nation.

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (5, Interesting)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503355)

But that doesn't explain why their UI, external design, and OS suddenly became indistinguishable.

Have you actually used a Galaxy Nexus? I have one in my pocket right now. It looks nothing like an iPhone. The physical design and the way the OS looks and feels are entirely different. Not only is the design different, the hardware is superior in many ways. My friends routinely get me to take photos at parties because in low lighting conditions the GN camera seems to do a better job than the iPhone.

This is the most stupid decision yet. The GN has a very distinct design to the iPhone.

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503395)

Superior hardware? When you have Android running in your "superior hardware" - it turns into slow like molasses hardware. Just like on PC, shitty OS can turn your powerhouse of a PC into an IBM PC XT. Just look at how fast OS/2 was on the same hardware where Windows NT could barely work.

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503425)

So you've never used it then?

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (1, Funny)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503415)

Have you actually used a Galaxy Nexus? I have one in my pocket right now.

So you're not just pleased to see me?

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (0)

s.o.terica (155591) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503497)

I don't believe that you have a Galaxy Nexus —or have even read a review of it — because if you did you'd know its camera is by far its worst quality, in no way comparable to the camera in the iPhone 4S. The Galaxy S III on the other hand uses the same image sensor as the iPhone 4S.

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (5, Insightful)

scsirob (246572) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503373)

Gosh. Wow. Years ago all there was were tiny little screens and no-one could economically produce larger ones with sensible resolution and decent touch functionality. Now there are dozens of manufacturers capable of producing a 4" - 5" LCD with good touch functionality. Some of the technology making that possible will be covered by patents, and perhaps rightfully so.

Now give this 4" touch LCD to ten designers and ask them to design a phone around that screen. Do you really think they will all be very different? Sure, some will have a keyboard, some will have one or two buttons, and some will have none. How is that innovation?

If your view would be accepted then the first to come out with a 4-wheeled car owns the design and everyone else has to pick a different number of wheels, or a totally different wheel configuration (two on the side, one front, one back perhaps?). And we would all still be having bulky big TV's and monitors, because Sony or B&O or Philips happened to be the first to come out with a flat screen and they would own the design.

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503403)

Everybody stands on the shoulders of giants, even Apple.

Nokia video 2006 (slide to unlock, gestures)

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Here-is-how-Nokia-imagined-touchscreen-phones-in-2006_id28668/ [phonearena.com]

Samsung F700 (Korean design patent, December 2006)

http://gizmodo.com/235112/apple-iphone-vs-samsung-f700-which-is-touchscreenier [gizmodo.com]

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (1)

Mithent (2515236) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503491)

I own an original Galaxy S, and I do think it skirted too close to the line in looking like an iPhone 3GS. The chrome trim did it. Both the Galaxy Nexus and the Galaxy S III look distinct from Apple devices to me, though.

But the design points that Apple have tried to push recently: devices which are flat, thin and rectangular and have a large screen? There's no sensible design for a hand-held, touchscreen-controlled device that doesn't meet those criteria. No-one would buy a bulky, square tablet/phone with a small screen and an cluttered appearance, which Apple know perfectly well and so are trying to prevent other manufacturers from competing with them at all.

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (-1, Troll)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503363)

Massive pet peeve that I know many Slashdotters disagree with but APPLE IS NOT A PATENT TROLL.

A patent troll is a non-practicing entity who's sole business revolves around generating profits from patent lawsuits. They make nothing and sell nothing.

APPLE IS NOT A PATENT TROLL. Apple is a practicing entity - they make and sell products (to say the least). They also spend a lot of money on research and development and thus garner numerous patents on the technologies that they invent. Sometimes, when they feel other companies have infringed those patents, they defend them up to and including via lawsuits. That does not make a company a patent troll, no matter how much you hate the company nor how much you hate the patent system.

I realize people hate Apple - knock yourself out if you do. Go for it. I realize people hate the patent system - again, knock yourself out if you do. Go for it. But don't let your hatred of Apple cloud the issues and muddy the arguments against the patent system. Claiming Apple is a patent troll makes it harder to discuss the problems with the patent system, one of which includes _actual_ patent trolls abusing the system while actually producing nothing of value for society. Regardless of what you think of Apple, they actually invest money in R&D. They actually produce products. They actually DO something. They are not a patent troll. They are just defending their patent rights.

If you don't think Apple should have patents on the technologies they've developed, fine. Argue that. That is a discussion that can be had but don't confuse the issue by claiming they are something they are not. APPLE IS NOT A PATENT TROLL.

*As an addendum, neither is Microsoft nor Motorola nor Samsung nor HTC and so on and so on. Companies that actually do something are not patent trolls, regardless of what they do via the patent system. This isn't just about Apple but it's most often a claim levied against Apple. Feel free to replace "Apple" with whatever practicing entity you wish lest you think I'm just being an Apple fanboy defending Apple. I'm not - I'm sick of people claiming a company is a patent troll because they defend their patents. Defending your patents doesn't make you a patent troll. Enforcing patents as a way or business and a sole means of revenue makes you a patent troll. And those companies should be reviled.

Apple *IS* a patent troll (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503453)

This sentence isn't true: "A patent troll is a non-practicing entity"

A patent troll is abuses the incompetent system within USPTO to gain financial advantage, sure they mostly don't make things (why bother when its easy money), but some do, and Microsoft and Apple both make things AND are patent trolls.

So in Apple's case they patented research of others that they used in the iPod Touch, and claimed to have invented it:
http://www.businessinsider.com/and-boy-have-we-patented-it-2010-3

I think they just saw Han's work, myself, rather than go back and copy the CERN work from the 70's which covered the same slide, pinch etc. gestures.

http://www.ted.com/talks/jeff_han_demos_his_breakthrough_touchscreen.html

You can't really blame them, the USPTO has showed it will issue patents to anyone for things that aren't inventions, to people who didn't invent them, and for things that are obvious (and in some cases industry common practice at the time), and of course there will be roaches that come out and feed on this feeding opportunity.

"Defending your patents doesn't make you a patent troll. "
Once you get your USPTO issued joke patents, defending them with a straight face IS PATENT TROLLING. The art is to not laugh when you tell the judge how you invented these things.

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503371)

Yes, they most probably feel ashamed. Client of a company I no longer work for filed a patent for a method of splitting mail into pieces. It was just several lines of code which were obvious given the requirements, but they filed it anyway :/

Re:Patent trolling is the new iWhite... (1)

digitig (1056110) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503517)

I wonder whether the slide-to-unlock issue accounts for one of the changes in the latest update to my Galaxy Ace. It used to be slide-to-unlock. Now I make exactly the same gesture to unlock it, but instead of the screen sliding it shows a growing circle. It looks as if they're already working the way around some of the issues. Mind you, the Galaxy Ace is rectangular with rounded corners and has a button...

The rest of the world does not care (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503195)

Well - pity for those in the US, they wont get the new stuff now...

Fortunately the rest of the world can enjoy all those things that are forbidden in the US. Seems the US is no longer the place to get your new stuff.
Now I am the last one to say anything about the quality or something, but at least the rest of the rest of the world has a free choice.

Re:The rest of the world does not care (1)

hawkinspeter (831501) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503225)

I thought the new phones always came out in Asia first, then Europe, then America.

Re:The rest of the world does not care (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503287)

Well - you can restrict that to: Asia first, then Europe and never in America...

Great to be a consumer and living in America. You only can look from the sideline how the rest of the world enjoys the party..
Aren't these patents great?

Re:The rest of the world does not care (3, Insightful)

brezel (890656) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503253)

it's really sad to see what capitalism is doing to a country that had such high goals when i was first created. now it seems mostly you will get incarcerated, sued, beaten up or criminalized for things that are perfectly normal in the rest of the free world.

i think it's really cynical of american polititians to even use the word "freedom" in their campaigns since it has basically lost all meaning due to the entanglement of business, military and politics.

Re:The rest of the world does not care (2, Informative)

bhcompy (1877290) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503297)

Err, patents aren't "capitalism".

Re:The rest of the world does not care (0)

brezel (890656) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503331)

they are a logical consequence of reckless capitalism.

Re:The rest of the world does not care (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503337)

Because, hey. Hey. That's not *real* capitalism. Wink wink, nudge nudge.

Re:The rest of the world does not care (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503361)

Well - pity for those in the US, they wont get the new stuff now...

Sure we will.

As we well know, you can find a judge somewhere to say something. That's different than being anything like permanent.

The rule of law is how shall we say, mutable when big money is involved.

We'll see whose ox gets gored. And not (for Apple users) in a good way.

So, before you start developing a new product ... (4, Insightful)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503207)

. . . you need to engage your legal department, if you are big enough to have one, to verify that the product won't get bogged down in long, drawn-out, legal battles.

It used to be that the work in the lab was most important. Now work in the legal department is more important than R&D.

Sad.

Sensationalist submission is sensationalist. (5, Informative)

gallondr00nk (868673) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503211)

"Is this the beginning of the end for Android?"

Don't be so fucking stupid.

Re:Sensationalist submission is sensationalist. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503503)

Question mark disclaims any mental responsibility for what follows. For example:

Is this a step towards nucular holocaust?

Is this the beginning of the end for Android? (5, Insightful)

wild_quinine (998562) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503213)

From TFS:

"Is this the beginning of the end for Android?"

No, it's the beginning of the end for Apple.

Support your local underdogs (5, Insightful)

allcoolnameswheretak (1102727) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503219)

Stuff like this makes me want to buy a Samsung device right now, simply out of spite for these agressive, bullshit patent practices that limit competition and my choices as a consumer.
Also, I have this built-in genetic disposition of always wanting to support the underdog.

Re:Support your local underdogs (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503255)

Local? Samsung is a Korean company. Go read a world map.

Re:Support your local underdogs (1)

Issarlk (1429361) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503399)

Google is local. The success of Android will encourage the project they have to manufacture their own devices in America based facilities.

ThinkPenguin.com :) freedom friendly hardware (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503281)

ThinkPenguin even donates to free software and has an interest in promoting freedom for various reasons. They are donating significant monies to Trisquel (a truly free distribution unlike most), Linux Mint, and the Free Software Foundation. They are building up a product catalog, designing new GNU/Linux friendly products, working with chipset vendors, manufacturers, and distributions to improve support. Why should your hardware work with only a handful of distributions out of the box? It shouldn't. Everything truly GNU/Linux friendly should just work out of the box. That won't happen without supporting companies like ThinkPenguin (and as far as I know the only one doing anything even remotely close to this- in this area).

Re:Support your local underdogs (0)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503299)

A lot of apple fans have that too. But Apple was the underdog for a long, long time so it's taken while for people to get used to them being in charge.

In all fairness to Apple, is it really so much to ask that competitors not copy their design? You wouldn't expect Ferrari to be ok with Ford releasing a car that looks nearly identical to their own offerings, would you? No ones saying it's a huge technical achievement, but that's not what a design patent is for. Some companies like to set themselves apart by having a distinctive look, if you're a boring company that doesn't care about your design, you should just put it in a cheap, boring plastic box. You don't need to copy a design someone else has put a lot of time and effort into.

Re:Support your local underdogs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503397)

Hmm... let's see...

Ferrari... headlights..check, four wheels..check, general rectangular form..check, doors..check...
Ford... headlights..check, four wheels..check, general rectangular form..check, doors..check...

Clearly Ferrari has to be banned from the USA. This shameless copy cannot be allowed here...

Re:Support your local underdogs (1, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503341)

Stuff like this makes me want to buy a Samsung device right now, simply out of spite for these agressive, bullshit patent practices that limit competition and my choices as a consumer.

Why? You want to support a company that abuses their FRAND patent obligations in an effort to stifle competition.

Seriously, it boggles my mind that people are so utterly blinded by their hatred of Apple that they fail to recognize that Samsung (and Motorola) are utterly abusing their FRAND patent obligations in an effort to stifle competition in the mobile market in the absolute worst possible way imaginable.

But, hey, you feel free to paint Apple as the villain here and rally support for the true villains. That koolaid must taste real good.

Re:Support your local underdogs (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503375)

How does Samsung/Motorola grasping at straws to defend themselves against the initial patent aggressors Apple/MSFT make them the "true villians"?

Re:Support your local underdogs (0)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503411)

I thought I made that clear - they're abusing FRAND patents. In my humble opinion, any company that abuses FRAND patents is the worst sort of offender, truly intent on stifling competition within an industry and guilty of the worst sort of anti-competitive behaviour deserving of swift and severe punishment from whatever trade organization can take action against them. If a company agrees to include their patented technology in an industry standard under FRAND terms and then renegs on those FRAND obligations, they are doing more harm to competition within an industry any any company possibly could. That, imho, makes them the true villains.

Re:Support your local underdogs (1)

Issarlk (1429361) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503439)

So a guy illegally pulling out a gun to defend against an agressor who just stabbed him with a kniffe is a vilain?

Re:Support your local underdogs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503507)

Yes. FRAND terms expressly forbidds to use them to obtain an injunction. If companies don't agree to thast specific rule, the patent would not be included in the standard. End of.

That's what a lot of Apple hater and /.-ers do not comprehend. A non-standard patent protects you and can be wielded in a triel and can result in huge penalties. A FRAND patent means that you get guaranteed payment, albeit tiny, tiny payments. Patent != Patent.

Re:Support your local underdogs (2)

realityimpaired (1668397) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503457)

I thought I made that clear - they're abusing FRAND patents. In my humble opinion, any company that abuses FRAND patents is the worst sort of offender, truly intent on stifling competition within an industry and guilty of the worst sort of anti-competitive behaviour deserving of swift and severe punishment from whatever trade organization can take action against them. If a company agrees to include their patented technology in an industry standard under FRAND terms and then renegs on those FRAND obligations, they are doing more harm to competition within an industry any any company possibly could. That, imho, makes them the true villains.

There's nothing in FRAND that says they have to give it away, only that they have to be reasonable with their licensing terms. The FRAND terms that *most* of the industry seems to have agreed on is "you don't sue us, we don't sue you". Apple is the one that doesn't like those terms, even though they were offered them.

Re:Support your local underdogs (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503539)

There's nothing in FRAND that says they have to give it away...

Nobody has claimed Apple wants the licenses for free. They have claimed that they want them for Fair and Reasonable, Non-Discriminatory rates. As is required by a FRAND agreement.

The FRAND terms that *most* of the industry seems to have agreed on is "you don't sue us, we don't sue you".

That's not even vaguely true. Not even a little bit. The terms that most companies use is "we would rather not spend cash so how about we work out a cross-licensing deal for some of our patents". Apple, on the other hand a) has plenty of cash to pay licensing fees and b) would rather develop a competitive edge over their competition that differentiates them. Thus, they don't want to cross license - they just want to cut a check _AS IS THEIR RIGHT_. The amount being asked by Samsung and Motorola are what they consider to be unfair and unreasonable and are inherently discriminatory since they specifically target Apple.

Re:Support your local underdogs (1)

MrHanky (141717) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503501)

Well, the FRAND patents are for actual technological innovations, whereas Apple's patents are only for generic fluff. Apple wants to freeload on others R&D while monopolising obvious ideas.

Re:Support your local underdogs (4, Insightful)

fightinfilipino (1449273) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503417)

speak for yourself.

the injunction against the Galaxy is precisely that: an injunction. the underlying patent case has not yet been decided before the court. approving the injunction means that the suing party has, at first glance, met their evidentiary burden to move forward with the case. but the case itself still must be decided, and such cases can take up to a year or more to work themselves out. meanwhile, Apple can enjoy the "fruits" of reduced competition. don't kid yourself: that doesn't benefit anyone but Apple.

and with how specious software patents can be, we should ALL be wary of lawsuits whose primary effect is to stifle competitors not in the market, but out of it. doesn't matter if it's Apple, Samsung, Google, or any other party; this sort of lawsuit stinks any way you look at it.

this is not a win for Apple. this is not a win for Samsung/Google. worst of all, though, this is not a win for the consumer.

Re:Support your local underdogs (4, Insightful)

allcoolnameswheretak (1102727) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503483)

I'm not an Apple hater. All I know is that if I wanted to by a Samsung in the U.S. right now, I couldn't, thanks to Apple. And Apple did the same thing in Germany some time ago. Truly, I don't know alot about the legal background on these patent wars. But it seems to me that Apple, amongst other companies, is bringing these fights to a new level which wasn't there before, and that that isn't a good thing for me. Did TV, car, microwave, or wearing glasses manufacturers get sued and their products barred from the market on the whim of a competitor in the past? Not that I'm aware of.

I don't have any kind of smartphone yet, and in fact I was still weighing my options. I was leaning towards an Android device because I could code my own apps for it in Java, but alot of people are telling me how Apple is better, so I was still pretty much undecided. The fact that Apple is now twisting the market in its favor doesn't make me happy.

I thumb my nose at you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503239)

Still business as usual in the Eco-City States of America?

Fucking Apple (-1, Flamebait)

kramulous (977841) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503245)

Fuck I hate Apple.

Ever since they tried to force me to upgrade from 10.4 to 10.5 on a macbook pro all because I wanted to do some iPhone development. I did not have the time to upgrade the machine at that time; So don't make me upgrade. That is when I discovered Fedora.

It is only a matter of time before this company crashes and burns ... again. Can't employ SJ this time around to save it.

Re:Fucking Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503285)

You can't have wanted to do iPhone development that much then...

There's a lot of things you could dislike apple for, but this is pretty lame.

Really? (4, Interesting)

cmdrbuzz (681767) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503515)

You hate Apple because they required you to update your operating system when you installed a new development kit?

Seriously?

If thats enough for you to hate a company, then you may want to look at anger management classes.

Best of luck with iPhone development on Fedora then.

What a.. (1)

silverdr (779097) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503247)

"Is this the beginning of the end for Android?"

No, and by far no... What a stupid question...

Is this the beginning of the end for Android? (5, Insightful)

GbrDead (702506) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503263)

No, but it is somewhere in the middle of the end of the USA as a technological leader.

Fuck Apple! (3, Insightful)

CosaNostra Pizza Inc (1299163) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503269)

Fuck Apple. I hope Apple dies a horrible death.

Re:Fuck Apple! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503393)

Calm down. Then direct your hatred towards the patent system. If it were not for the patent system and its abuse these companies would be forced to compete via price, features and innovation. Now they sit on huge piles of dubious patents and compete via their legal departments.

All the companies are doing this, it is just Apple's turn to win a few in the court room. It is time to stop this madness.

Re:Fuck Apple! (2)

Issarlk (1429361) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503445)

Not sure about this... How many RIM or Nokia devices did Samsung ban via an injunction during the last few years?

Patent abuse -- by the goose and the gander (2)

Compaqt (1758360) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503273)

Survey says:

As CNET's Roger Cheng has explained, the idea "is based on the principle that fair licensing of intellectual property is often needed because sometimes certain ideas and patents just need to be shared for everything to work together properly"

I just wonder if things would work better if Apple Corp. might deign to share the color black with us mere mortals, who have to put up with non-black smartphones with razor sharp corners (sometimes with greater or less than 4 sides!).

NutJobs ... (3, Insightful)

giorgist (1208992) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503275)

Geez is there any reason not to address him that way, his legacy is becoming that of some evil villain that has triggered a doomsday device full of lawers. It strikes me that the US is becoming less and less relevant ... as the Google IO showed, it is the third world countries that is where most of the action is happening.

And the war is on... (5, Insightful)

Areyoukiddingme (1289470) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503289)

I dunno about the rest of you, but I'm getting a definite scorched earth feel these days. The patent Cold War is over. The Patent Hot War is now on. Sadly for the general sentiment around here, it's unlikely that anyone will do anything to fix, dismantle, or otherwise create a permanent solution to the problem of patents in general. Why not? Because these wars are going to create patent lawyer dynasties. We're talking Rockefeller money here. We're talking "Excuse me, Mr. Carnegie, but you're going to have to shift down at the table at the Old Boys Club to make room for Messrs. Dewie, Cheatum, and Howe." Laws are created by lawyers. As far as they're concerned, they've already 'fixed' the system perfectly. In every sense of the word.

Re:And the war is on... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503345)

I dunno about the rest of you, but I'm getting a definite scorched earth feel these days. The patent Cold War is over. The Patent Hot War is now on. Sadly for the general sentiment around here, it's unlikely that anyone will do anything to fix, dismantle, or otherwise create a permanent solution to the problem of patents in general. Why not? Because these wars are going to create patent lawyer dynasties. We're talking Rockefeller money here. We're talking "Excuse me, Mr. Carnegie, but you're going to have to shift down at the table at the Old Boys Club to make room for Messrs. Dewie, Cheatum, and Howe." Laws are created by lawyers. As far as they're concerned, they've already 'fixed' the system perfectly. In every sense of the word.

mod parent up

Re:And the war is on... (1)

StripedCow (776465) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503449)

Perhaps somebody could figure out how much a modern smartphone would cost if its developers would pay for each and every patent they would be infringing. I'm guessing that would give people who still don't get it a clear signal that something is wrong.

Re:And the war is on... (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503529)

Heh.

I'm just waiting for nokia's profits to take a further dive, and for them to look into their patent war chest and make the decision that their patents from the late 90s are being infringed by *everyone* in the mobile space, so let's sue everyone.

That may be MS/Elop's plan here...

Boycott Apple (5, Informative)

dmesg0 (1342071) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503291)

Please explain to all your non-techie friends and family what Apple is doing, and why they shouldn't ever touch any Apple product until they change their way.
It's very easy, I already prevented sale of a at least a few iphones.

Disclaimer: I'm not working for Google, Samsung or any other mobile related company. I'm just disgusted by Apple, and boycotting is the only way to stop them.

Re:Boycott Apple (2)

fufufang (2603203) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503409)

I think Apple is destroying the future of the tech industry.

Re:Boycott Apple (4, Interesting)

Inda (580031) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503441)

It's not very easy. It's very hard.

My closest friend bought the iPhone 4 just over 18 months ago, even after all my efforts. He kept telling me it was an iPhone and that's all that mattered.

He's too cheap to buy the apps, another mate half-jailbroke it, stopping all his banking apps working, iTunes was taking half a day to backup and often failed, the phone wouldn't factory reset, we couldn't even copy his contacts. He's pissed off with the lack of high quality free mapping. No Siri. Dull screen. The list of moans is endless.

He's just bought his daughter one. His wife is getting one in a few weeks time.

I can't understand it. They've seen my S2 connect to their TV via a common USB cable and streaming 1080p. They've seen me wirelessly send files to their laptop. They've seen Google Maps on Android. They've seen the photos it takes. And it's not even the best Android phone any more!

It's not easy at all.

Re:Boycott Apple (1, Insightful)

dmesg0 (1342071) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503553)

That's because he's a zealot and you can't do anything about it. It's like arguing with ayatollahs about the existence of god.
I'm talking about normal people, who are not strongly biased towards one company or another. Just explaining why going with Apple is a bad idea usually does the trick.

Re:Boycott Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503535)

No. I will tell everyone to boycott Samsung, Motorola and Google for misusing FRAND terms&patents to defend their infringement of patents and design dresses.

Not Apple is the villian. Defending oneself from KIRF and copycats is the natural right of every company and the very reason for patents.

Apple fan posto (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503305)

We are the slashdot trolls, my (just made, surprise butt fuck) friend.
And we keep on trollin' till the end.

We post goatse [goatse.ru] links.
Natalie portman and hot grits.

No time for lusers (Linux users),
because FreeGayOS (FreeBSD) rules!

Two options (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503309)

One, buy it overseas, (big PITA,) or Google just sidesteps the whole thing by selling the Google Nexus 10.2, which is different from the Nexus 10.1 in the following important respect: the name is different, it's a different product, (it has a different name,) and so it's different, and then just go ahead and sell anyway.

Google can sit back and take this, or they can use their powers for evil, and make searches for the name of the judge who issued the ban pull up pages of close-up photographs of syphilitic, pus-oozing assholes, and figurines made of dog shit.

Um, No (0, Troll)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503321)

Is this the beginning of the end for Android?

Look, I'm an Apple fanboy and all but that's just a stupid, moronic question designed to inflame. Come on. Is it the beginning of the end? No! At the worst - at the very worst, if things go as horribly wrong as possible for Samsung (and Motorola and HTC) as one could imagine and as well for Apple as people fear, it would be the beginning of companies being forced to designed around Apple's patents to make phones that look different and function differently than the iPhone and iPad or to pay a forced licensing fee to utilize the function in past and future devices. If anyone is so daft as to think that means "the end of Android" then they are idiots.

Seriously, it's not rocket science. I know it's fun to post stories designed to generate conversation and to fire people up but let's not be stupid. Contrary to what anyone (including the late Steve Jobs) thinks, none of this is going to spell the end of any company or platform. At the worst, it's going to force a company to pay some money and/or design around the patent. That's it. That's all.

Re:Um, No (1)

ToThoseOfUs (2377416) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503387)

being forced to designed around Apple's patents to make phones that look different and function differently than the iPhone and iPad or to pay a forced licensing fee to utilize the function in past and future devices.

I haven't used an iphone for any period of time, but when I have to use a friend's, I have no idea how to operate that most intuitive of devices.

n.b. I have an android tablet, and feel at home on symbian (r.i.p. is still more advanced than the "modern" smart phone os's, just wasn't as pretty)

Anecdotal evidence warning.... (3, Interesting)

AbRASiON (589899) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503329)

EVERYONE I know with an opinion on this topic is getting put MORE off Apple devices by it than on. I work on a floor of 40 nerds / gadget freaks, there is only 3 iphones left and 2 of those users intend to switch to Android as well.

Apple are doing themselves no favours at all.

SLASHDOT LOVES APPLE (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503349)

Inspite of all the negative remarks about apple here, Slashdot is in love with apple.

Just ask a question about how to get work done because you're a bit fustrated with Gnome3......... The overwhelming response...... "Why not just get a mac book"
My wife wants a tablet to use in the Kitchen to look at recipies, etc..... "Just buy her an ipad"
Every time ...........

I am not fooled by all the bullshit posts here about Apple because of this injunction...... Everytime slashdot secretly recommends an ipad, iphone or macbook while pretending to hate apple, it empowers Apple to do more bullshit like this.

Disgusting.

Re:Anecdotal evidence warning.... (1, Troll)

cmdrbuzz (681767) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503555)

Ever thought that Gadget freaks are not the target market for the iPhone?!

I write software for my day job, and the last thing I want to do when I'm on my own time is piss around with tweaking / rooting / fiddling with my phone. I just want it to work. Calendars, email, apps, online banking the whole thing.

So, for /me/, an iPhone is the best phone I could have. Smart phone that doesn't require endless support to "Just Work".

Sorry that you guys aren't enjoying the iPhone, but to be fair, its all about what works for you, and the iPhone works for /most/ people. And for the others there is Windows Phone or Android. Just don't under-estimate the amount of people that /don't/ want to tweak their phone all the time!

windows 8 will destroy Apple (4, Funny)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503381)

Watch out. Fuck the iphone. Windows Phone is the futucha

It will not change, till we do (2)

vabruce (2575235) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503391)

While not letting people rip off your ideas has merit, what does not have merit is using the courts to "compete" against your competition. But, we as consumers will not act to correct the behavior of companies acting this way by not buying their products when they behave badly. We will just sit back and hope things get better. Kind of seems exactly how we also deal with politics...

Oh, for fuck's sake! (3, Interesting)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503401)

When are we going to get some goddamn patent reform???

This is like Chevy suing Toyota because people would buy more Chevy cars if Toyota wasn't selling a similar product. "They use a wheel and foot pedals to control their vehicles. We use a wheel and foot pedals. That's our thing!"

Ya know what? Fuck Apple. Fuck them right in their stupid asses. I was seriously considering making the switch back when they get an LTE iphone (paying full retail to retain my unlimited data plan and an ETF), and pick up a retina MacBook and iPad because they're freakin' gorgeous displays and it will be a year or more before anything like that hits the Android/Windows market and I'd have everything under one roof and this sentence is really long. But if this is how Apple chooses to "compete", fuck 'em. I'll wait for less litigious companies to catch up.

And that's what makes this so damn stupid. The competition is a year or more behind apple in just about everything (except data speed on phones). First to market with a consumer-friendly smartphone. First to market with a retina display smartphone. First to market with a high res tablet. First to market with a high res laptop. It's not enough for Apple to be the first up the mountain, they've got to hang their asses over the edge and shit on everyone below them.

Android = copy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40503423)

Can anyone honestly use an Android phone and not say it is a cheap knockoff of iOS?

Silver Lining (4, Informative)

Bill Dimm (463823) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503433)

Apple was ordered to post a bond of $95 million [arstechnica.com] to enact the injunction, which would be used to pay Samsung damages if the decision is later reversed.

Can we end software patents now? (5, Informative)

Mithent (2515236) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503447)

I'm really getting tired of tech news consisting almost entirely of mobile device manufacturers suing each other over patents for general concepts and design principles. Technology progresses and consumers benefit when ideas and concepts can spread. This isn't the same as, say, drug development, where millions of dollars go into R&D, and that massive investment must be recouped to protect innovation. These are just relatively obvious ideas where the real work is in the implementation, integration and promotion, not in dreaming up a UI concept.

Maybe this would be a good place to mention the EFF's new campaign to reform software patents [defendinnovation.org] ?

short memories (0, Flamebait)

swell (195815) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503455)

The Apple haters seem to have forgotten recent history. Since the Apple ][ every Apple design has been copied. When the graphic interface was commercialized the hacker crowd said 'who needs a mouse and pretty graphic screen when a green command line works just fine'. And then Microsoft spent 20 years trying to emulate the Macintosh and now you hackers are all using a graphic interface. Did anyone thank Apple? No, they copied and still copy and all the while put Apple down.

I think it would be nice if someone besides Apple & Google think for themselves and come up with something refreshing.

The marketplace has innovators and it has mass marketers. It has leaders and followers. It has companies who invest in R&D and it has cost cutting copycats. I'll support those with R&D.

Re:short memories (5, Informative)

Mithent (2515236) | more than 2 years ago | (#40503509)

Apple were first to commercialise them, but mouse-driven graphical user interfaces were first seen on the Xerox Alto [wikipedia.org] .
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